Rather than expend time searching past posts, I will make a positive comment
now myself: Anyone who deflates someone with delusions of omniscience is
OK in my book. Besides, are only popular posts allowed here?
Regarding your nostalgia, you ought to check yourself for a little
self-aggrandizement.
That's not really a good positive though, that's three negative things to make up your positive.
I know it's not about popularity, but the likes of wilco are deliberately and excessively brash. I can't say that I agree with Mel that much, and I really can't back up his history, but the anti-Mel crowd do seem to be quite a bit more abrasive and antagonistic than Mel himself. I'm not referring to you, but if person A can't disagree with person B without being four times the ass in doing so, then the bigger problem is person A, not person B.
I wouldn't say no one. I'd imagine a lot of people interested in the mac pro (modeling professionals) would enjoy Crossfire / SLI. Pixar? Even though Jobs doesn't own them any more, I'd imagine they still use Macs.
He still owns a lot of Disney. I don't know how Pixar operates, but as odd as it sounds, it seems like they rely more on talent than they do on technology.
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Originally Posted by shanmugam
is everyone happy with this? no redesign of case?
I think the case is fine. It's not a consumer device. I don't think the handles are very good in practice though, but taking them away would take away the character.
Most of the time, there are shipping delays when Apple releases a product. Rarely is the new product available to ship immediately after introduction. When the new iMacs came out and were in the stores the same day I almost sh** myself.
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Originally Posted by donebylee
Anyone got any ideas on why there is a 3 - 5 week shipping delay?
Intel claims to have shipped almost of million of these xeons already and I would have thought that Apple would have these systems manufactured and stockpiled for this announcement.
Ahead of next week's Macworld conference, Apple on Tuesday introduced the new Mac Pro with eight processor cores and a new system architecture that delivers up to twice the performance of its predecessor.
I'm unimpressed. Not by Apple but by Penryn. When you look at official benchmarks , in 3D and video apps , 3.2Ghz Penryn is only 10% faster than previous 3.0Ghz 8core. So if you take into account 200Mhz extra Penryn is sporting , clock for clock it's probably exactly same performace. (i'm not talking about performace per watt or per $$$)
Uhm, for the extra 200Mhz in RAW Horse Power, 10% faster is pretty damn good, considering that the Official Benchmark probably doesn't fully realize or understand the improvements to SSE4. This was discussed and mentioned by Intel at the CES show. They said that most would not see a drastic increases in speed, until developers made use of the improvements in SSE4. ie: Improvements to media related products to fully be optimized to the hardware.
So, it is okay to be UNIMPRESSED if a one doesn't know or understand what is really happening to Penryn based systems. SSE4 is not as ubiquitous or even obvious to the end user at the present time. But, as the updates start to come in, it will become more impressive.
Most of the time, there are shipping delays when Apple releases a product. Rarely is the new product available to ship immediately after introduction. When the new iMacs came out and were in the stores the same day I almost sh** myself.
More often that not, Apple products are available in the stores and online the day they are announced. At least in the standard configuration.
Uhm, for the extra 200Mhz in RAW Horse Power, 10% faster is pretty damn good, considering that the Official Benchmark probably doesn't fully realize or understand the improvements to SSE4. This was discussed and mentioned by Intel at the CES show. They said that most would not see a drastic increases in speed, until developers made use of the improvements in SSE4. ie: Improvements to media related products to fully be optimized to the hardware.
So, it is okay to be UNIMPRESSED if a one doesn't know or understand what is really happening to Penryn based systems. SSE4 is not as ubiquitous or even obvious to the end user at the present time. But, as the updates start to come in, it will become more impressive.
By the time SS4 makes it into big apps ( 3D apps , Adobe apps ) we'll be using Nehalem.
but does anyone know the 8800GT will be available for 'last gen' MPs? I know that the 8800GT in these new MPs use PCI-e 2.0 but every single 8800GT in the Windows world will operate in 1.x mode too so I can't see there being a problem. Just wondered as I can't spot it on the store. Thanks.
Okay... mine's been ordered. 3-5 weeks shipping time, however.
I usually like treating myself with the top of the line, but I "settled for" a mere 8x2.8GHz -- this is way more overkill power than I need anyway. I couldn't rationalize away another $1600 to go all the way up to 3.2GHz.
And no way I'm paying Apple's premium for RAM. Anyone know who's selling the right RAM for one of these puppies? I just checked crucial.com, but they don't have the right stuff (800MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM) yet.
• ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5GB of GDDR3 memory, two dual-link DVI ports, and one stereo 3D port
It doesn't work that way. First the Quadro has 3x the RAM as the 8800 and a 0.8Ghz CPU. Secondly, the stereo 3D is in a class of its own. These are for specialized fields. The price listed is very reasonable when you compare to Dell's offering of this same card.
Newegg has a Geforce 8800 Ultra 768 MB card for $800. If stereo 3D capability is not needed, then two of these cards running SLI would provide similar if not greater performance than a single $2850 Quadro FX 5600.
And if a single Quadro FX 5600 is so good, then two of them would be even better. The Quadro FX 5600 supports SLI. But not on Macs, so it would seem.
And no way I'm paying Apple's premium for RAM. Anyone know who's selling the right RAM for one of these puppies? I just checked crucial.com, but they don't have the right stuff (800MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM) yet.
Newegg has a Geforce 8800 Ultra 768 MB card for $800. If stereo 3D capability is not needed, then two of these cards running SLI would provide similar if not greater performance than a single $2850 Quadro FX 5600.
And if a single Quadro FX 5600 is so good, then two of them would be even better. The Quadro FX 5600 also supports SLI. At least on PC's that are not Macs.
The point is that that card have 3D stereo capabilities. Unless you need that feature there is no reason to even consider that card.
I saw ECC. I thought ECC and Full Buffered were the same thing.
...off to Wikipedia I go.
ECC and buffering are different. The specs say it is ECC and unbuffered. FB-DIMM does both, though FB is a different kind of buffering than is usually used on memory.
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Rather than expend time searching past posts, I will make a positive comment
now myself: Anyone who deflates someone with delusions of omniscience is
OK in my book. Besides, are only popular posts allowed here?
Regarding your nostalgia, you ought to check yourself for a little
self-aggrandizement.
That's not really a good positive though, that's three negative things to make up your positive.
I know it's not about popularity, but the likes of wilco are deliberately and excessively brash. I can't say that I agree with Mel that much, and I really can't back up his history, but the anti-Mel crowd do seem to be quite a bit more abrasive and antagonistic than Mel himself. I'm not referring to you, but if person A can't disagree with person B without being four times the ass in doing so, then the bigger problem is person A, not person B.
I wouldn't say no one. I'd imagine a lot of people interested in the mac pro (modeling professionals) would enjoy Crossfire / SLI. Pixar? Even though Jobs doesn't own them any more, I'd imagine they still use Macs.
He still owns a lot of Disney. I don't know how Pixar operates, but as odd as it sounds, it seems like they rely more on talent than they do on technology.
is everyone happy with this? no redesign of case?
I think the case is fine. It's not a consumer device. I don't think the handles are very good in practice though, but taking them away would take away the character.
Anyone got any ideas on why there is a 3 - 5 week shipping delay?
Intel claims to have shipped almost of million of these xeons already and I would have thought that Apple would have these systems manufactured and stockpiled for this announcement.
Thoughts?
Ahead of next week's Macworld conference, Apple on Tuesday introduced the new Mac Pro with eight processor cores and a new system architecture that delivers up to twice the performance of its predecessor.
And not to be outdone, the competition is… http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/15989/
I'm unimpressed. Not by Apple but by Penryn. When you look at official benchmarks , in 3D and video apps , 3.2Ghz Penryn is only 10% faster than previous 3.0Ghz 8core. So if you take into account 200Mhz extra Penryn is sporting , clock for clock it's probably exactly same performace. (i'm not talking about performace per watt or per $$$)
Uhm, for the extra 200Mhz in RAW Horse Power, 10% faster is pretty damn good, considering that the Official Benchmark probably doesn't fully realize or understand the improvements to SSE4. This was discussed and mentioned by Intel at the CES show. They said that most would not see a drastic increases in speed, until developers made use of the improvements in SSE4. ie: Improvements to media related products to fully be optimized to the hardware.
So, it is okay to be UNIMPRESSED if a one doesn't know or understand what is really happening to Penryn based systems. SSE4 is not as ubiquitous or even obvious to the end user at the present time. But, as the updates start to come in, it will become more impressive.
And not to be outdone, the competition is? http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/15989/
MDN is a hoot.
Most of the time, there are shipping delays when Apple releases a product. Rarely is the new product available to ship immediately after introduction. When the new iMacs came out and were in the stores the same day I almost sh** myself.
More often that not, Apple products are available in the stores and online the day they are announced. At least in the standard configuration.
And not to be outdone, the competition is? http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/15989/
I tried to price a Dell with these Harpertown Xeons. I couldn't find any on their website.
Uhm, for the extra 200Mhz in RAW Horse Power, 10% faster is pretty damn good, considering that the Official Benchmark probably doesn't fully realize or understand the improvements to SSE4. This was discussed and mentioned by Intel at the CES show. They said that most would not see a drastic increases in speed, until developers made use of the improvements in SSE4. ie: Improvements to media related products to fully be optimized to the hardware.
So, it is okay to be UNIMPRESSED if a one doesn't know or understand what is really happening to Penryn based systems. SSE4 is not as ubiquitous or even obvious to the end user at the present time. But, as the updates start to come in, it will become more impressive.
By the time SS4 makes it into big apps ( 3D apps , Adobe apps ) we'll be using Nehalem.
By the time SS4 makes it into big apps ( 3D apps , Adobe apps ) we'll be using Nehalem.
But it does add nice room for future improvement. The machine is good now, and you'll get a decent boost with the next update of some programs.
The instruction set has to be available for a while before it can get widely used.
• Did Apple release these updated Mac Pros today to allow room for new innovations at MacWorld and/or to steal some thunder from CES these week?
I usually like treating myself with the top of the line, but I "settled for" a mere 8x2.8GHz -- this is way more overkill power than I need anyway. I couldn't rationalize away another $1600 to go all the way up to 3.2GHz.
And no way I'm paying Apple's premium for RAM. Anyone know who's selling the right RAM for one of these puppies? I just checked crucial.com, but they don't have the right stuff (800MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM) yet.
? Any chance 10.5.2 will utilize SEE4?
All the rumours say "yes".
• ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and two dual-link DVI ports
• NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5GB of GDDR3 memory, two dual-link DVI ports, and one stereo 3D port
It doesn't work that way. First the Quadro has 3x the RAM as the 8800 and a 0.8Ghz CPU. Secondly, the stereo 3D is in a class of its own. These are for specialized fields. The price listed is very reasonable when you compare to Dell's offering of this same card.
Newegg has a Geforce 8800 Ultra 768 MB card for $800. If stereo 3D capability is not needed, then two of these cards running SLI would provide similar if not greater performance than a single $2850 Quadro FX 5600.
And if a single Quadro FX 5600 is so good, then two of them would be even better. The Quadro FX 5600 supports SLI. But not on Macs, so it would seem.
And no way I'm paying Apple's premium for RAM. Anyone know who's selling the right RAM for one of these puppies? I just checked crucial.com, but they don't have the right stuff (800MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM) yet.
This won't work?
• http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...E=CT12872AA800
Newegg has a Geforce 8800 Ultra 768 MB card for $800. If stereo 3D capability is not needed, then two of these cards running SLI would provide similar if not greater performance than a single $2850 Quadro FX 5600.
And if a single Quadro FX 5600 is so good, then two of them would be even better. The Quadro FX 5600 also supports SLI. At least on PC's that are not Macs.
The point is that that card have 3D stereo capabilities. Unless you need that feature there is no reason to even consider that card.
This won't work?
? http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...E=CT12872AA800
That's not an FB-DIMM. If it were, it doesn't have the heat sinks needed to work well in a Mac Pro.
That's not an FB-DIMM. If it were, it doesn't have the heat sinks needed to work well in a Mac Pro.
I saw ECC. I thought ECC and Full Buffered were the same thing.
...off to Wikipedia I go.
I saw ECC. I thought ECC and Full Buffered were the same thing.
...off to Wikipedia I go.
ECC and buffering are different. The specs say it is ECC and unbuffered. FB-DIMM does both, though FB is a different kind of buffering than is usually used on memory.
I saw ECC. I thought ECC and Full Buffered were the same thing.
...off to Wikipedia I go.
It also has to meet Apple's form factor, with the heatsinks. Regular FB-DIMMS will work, but are not recommended.