Apple introduces new Mac Pro topping out at 3.2GHz

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  • Reply 101 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    Originally Posted by emig647 View Post


    Actually towards the middle of 2006 they switched to pretty much all MPEG-4. You can look up all the details at hidefdigest.com for their specs.



    I've read that a lot are still MPEG-2.
  • Reply 102 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    I have to say that my biggest surprise is that they didn't redesign the case. I think this is the first time ever that an Apple design is going into it's 5th year without a major redesign.



    Wait 'till ADC and Nehalem.



    Unless (unlikely, but possible) NAB.
  • Reply 103 of 253
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,870member
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    I have to say that my biggest surprise is that they didn't redesign the case. I think this is the first time ever that an Apple design is going into it's 5th year without a major redesign.



    The case re-design when they switched to Intel was significant. It's just that the external appearance didn't change very much.



    Why change one of the best enclosures in the industry? The only thing I can think of that would make the case better is if the handles were smoother so they didn't cut into your hands when lifting the machine.
  • Reply 104 of 253
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by emig647

    But in the end the motherboard chipsets still have to support crossfire and have crossfire drivers for the OS. Which i failed to see mentioned anywhere. I'm all about it if true, but I haven't seen anything on it.



    Almost no one uses these schemes anyway. Apple won't bother.



    Are Aperture and Motion considered games?
  • Reply 105 of 253
    emig647emig647 Posts: 2,455member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I've read that a lot are still MPEG-2.



    I look up every blu-ray I buy before I buy it and I haven't bought one that is mpeg 2 yet.



    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1164/simpsonsmovie.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/clockworkorange.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/983/planetearth_us.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/lastsamurai.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/donniebrasco.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/ratatouille.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/854/patriot.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/nati...ssenemies.html (supplements are mpeg2 feature is vc1 (mpeg-4)

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/behindenemylines.html



    That is my entire collection cept for 3:10 to yuma which hasn't shipped yet and is most definitely mpeg4. I have only seen the very early blu-ray be mpeg2 which was when hd-dvd was kicking it's ass in PQ.



    Point being... apple needs a blu-ray player........ sooner than later.
  • Reply 106 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    Are Aperture and Motion considered games?



    The 5600 would take care of that. The game boards don't do as well for pro programs anyway. The pro board is programmed differently.
  • Reply 107 of 253
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
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    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    The case re-design when they switched to Intel was significant. It's just that the external appearance didn't change very much.



    Why change one of the best enclosures in the industry? The only thing I can think of that would make the case better is if the handles were smoother so they didn't cut into your hands when lifting the machine.



    They can still make it easier for technicians to service. Mac salespeople are like used car salesmen. All they want to do is take the customer's money and dump the support issues on the technicians. Contrary to what some people might think, Macs don't take themselves apart in the repair shop. If Macs are too difficult to take apart and service, the technicians can and do take action against them. These actions include pushing the customer to the end of the line for as long as the technician feels like it, turning the customer away and refusing to do the repair, and actively discouraging customers from buying Macs.
  • Reply 108 of 253
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    What is the big holdup? Why can't Apple just update DVD Player to play content from a Blu-ray player you bought fromt eh 3rd party? How is the AACS or HDCP preventing all this?
  • Reply 109 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by emig647 View Post


    I look up every blu-ray I buy before I buy it and I haven't bought one that is mpeg 2 yet.



    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1164/simpsonsmovie.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/clockworkorange.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/983/planetearth_us.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/lastsamurai.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/donniebrasco.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/ratatouille.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/854/patriot.html

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/nati...ssenemies.html (supplements are mpeg2 feature is vc1 (mpeg-4)

    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/behindenemylines.html



    That is my entire collection cept for 3:10 to yuma which hasn't shipped yet and is most definitely mpeg4. I have only seen the very early blu-ray be mpeg2 which was when hd-dvd was kicking it's ass in PQ.



    Point being... apple needs a blu-ray player........ sooner than later.



    Well, that's surprising, but it isn't really significant.



    As you say, Apple needs to support BD.
  • Reply 110 of 253
    wilcowilco Posts: 985member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I've read that a lot are still MPEG-2.



    My mom says there's a lot of black people in Africa.
  • Reply 111 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    They can still make it easier for technicians to service. Mac salespeople are like used car salesmen. All they want to do is take the customer's money and dump the support issues on the technicians. Contrary to what some people might think, Macs don't take themselves apart in the repair shop. If Macs are too difficult to take apart and service, the technicians can and do take action against them. These actions include pushing the customer to the end of the line for as long as the technician feels like it, turning the customer away and refusing to do the repair, and actively discouraging customers from buying Macs.



    That's nonsense!



    A technician gets paid to fix machines. It doesn't matter what they have to do. One screw is the same as another. They charge by the time it takes. It's no skin off their backs.
  • Reply 112 of 253
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
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    The 5600 would take care of that. The game boards don't do as well for pro programs anyway. The pro board is programmed differently.



    So people should spend $2850 for the Quadro FX5600 when two Geforce 8800's running SLI would cost less and outperform the single Quadro?
  • Reply 113 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    My mom says there's a lot of black people in Africa.



    Wilco, you're back with the dumb comments again?
  • Reply 114 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    Originally Posted by Haggar View Post


    So people should spend $2850 for the Quadro FX5600 when two Geforce 8800's running SLI would cost less and outperform the single Quadro?



    It's not likely they would outperform it for these programs. Have you any evidence they would?



    Perhaps two higher end 8800's might, but not these.
  • Reply 115 of 253
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    That's nonsense!



    A technician gets paid to fix machines. It doesn't matter what they have to do. One screw is the same as another. They charge by the time it takes. It's no skin off their backs.



    Not true. Apple does not provide full reimbursement for all the time required for technicians to take apart their stupid iMacs or laptops under warranty. Not to mention the time that customers have to spend waiting. Repair shops can actually lose money by doing Mac warranty work. Furthermore, not all repair shops charge by the hour. Some charge a flat rate. And IT departments in large businesses need to fix their own computers instead of carrying Macs to a retail store inside a shopping mall. I've been to Apple conferences where even the Apple employees hosting the event were ridiculing Steve Jobs and complaining about the difficulty of taking certain Macs apart.
  • Reply 116 of 253
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,346moderator
    I'm impressed but it's still long overdue.



    I configured this:



    single quad 2.8GHz

    2GB Ram (about time that was default)

    Geforce 8800GT 512MB

    320GB drive

    wifi

    DVDRW



    price comes to £1568.



    That's pretty good value for money IMO considering the cheapest quad 2.0GHz with 2GB Ram came to £1700 in the last lineup. Also, the dual 2.8GHz iMac is £1459. It does have the 24" screen but only the Radeon HD 2600. If you put the 2600 in the Mac Pro, it's also £1459.



    I would much rather have a quad 2.8GHz than an iMac if I only had to put out the cost of a display as I'd just go for a sub-£200 20".



    £1768 for tower+display is still not the price range for a home computer though - I'd say £1200 maximum but for work and pro use, very good value for money indeed.



    I was kinda hoping for an aesthetic not technical redesign though. Having had to look at that design for the past 2 years, it's getting quite tiresome now. Like the iMac, it's a design that I never really liked from the outset and hasn't grown on me though. For people who originally liked it, it might not be so bad.
  • Reply 117 of 253
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    Originally Posted by palegolas View Post


    . Also... from a environmental standpoint, buying an iMac every 2'nd year just to keep up to date is really bad. The screen could last for many many years, and the computer too.. sometimes a graphics card is all that's needed.. or a cpu update.



    I suspect that isn't true. iMacs use laptop CPUs and consume less power than desktops. They also use less materials and require less packaging and space during shipping. Often the greatest environmental impact isn't the product itself, it's the space it takes up during shipping and the power it uses.
  • Reply 118 of 253
    wilcowilco Posts: 985member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Wilco, you're back with the dumb comments again?



    And you're still blowing hot air...
  • Reply 119 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haggar View Post


    Not true. Apple does not provide full reimbursement for all the time required for technicians to take apart their stupid iMacs or laptops under warranty. Not to mention the time that customers have to spend waiting. Repair shops can actually lose money by doing Mac warranty work. And IT departments in large businesses need to fix their own computers instead of carrying Macs to a retail store inside a shopping mall. I've been to Apple conferences where even the Apple employees hosting the event were complaining about the difficulty of taking certain Macs apart.



    We had to take repairs of out equipment in at my electronics company. some of that equipment was very complex. We did what we did. This is no different.



    In the first film lab I was at, before my own, I had to change a felt brake pad that required taking the entire drive system apart. Was it a pain? Sure. But usually Kodak did it for us. The techs didn't care. Work was work. If they weren't doing that, they would be doing something else just as annoying.



    I never care about how techs complain. They ALWAYS complain.
  • Reply 120 of 253
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,521member
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    Originally Posted by wilco View Post


    And you're still blowing hot air...



    You should grow up.



    If you only bothered me, your comments might have just a little bit of meaning, but you're a loser with everyone.



    I suppose this means you'll target me more often.



    Ok, have fun.
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