I have a 4GB iPhone and will most definitely upgrade to the 3G when it comes out. But - will my 4GB iPhone continue to work as an iPod?
Not liking the idea that the 2.5G iPhone will become useless without any service.
It will still have service. It will simply ride on GSM and EDGE. I to not think (God I hope not) AT&T will simply dump EDGE. Stranger things have happened though.
The E90 will run for 36 hours using 3G/HSDPA, wifi, phoning. The N95 (8gb) 3 hours, N82 (48 hours). Are you talking earth hours here or Blartonian galactic hours. Your "real" world tests are way off.
36 hours using 3G, yeah right, your outing yourself more and more as someone who has no clue... whatsoever... please stop making claims that are untrue and made up...
your talking absolut troll... to call the iphone old... yeah right, LOL...
You are talking out of you posterior. I said (read the words this time) technologically old. TS UI's are not new. They have been around. SE, Nokia, Samsung (can't remember the phone) have all had them. Apple has a better implementation on an old idea. No one is taking that away. Go and compare any Motorola, SE, Nokia, Samasung spec wise to the iPhone and then you may loose your "hook, line and sinker" believer status.
People complain about 3G, yet Wifi is much faster than 3G anyways. If you can't find a wifi signal somewhere close by, you must live in the desert!
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
Guess you must be a US resident! Yes 3G ain't faster than Wifi but all over my country I have access to 3G not to Wifi and no I don't live in the desert. People just lock up their wifi and free acces points are very rare in Europe.
If I had the choice between 3G and a 4G iPhone I still would buy the 3G version because 3G is everywhere. EDGE might be faster on an iPhone then 3G on a Nokia but we don't have EDGE overhere and I don't plan to buy a Nokia phone so it just doesn't matter to me.
The E90 will run for 36 hours using 3G/HSDPA, wifi, phoning. The N95 (8gb) 3 hours, N82 (48 hours). Are you talking earth hours here or Blartonian galactic hours. Your "real" world tests are way off.
then talk or visit the big pc magazines that made those test, they will be really happy to entertain your delusions...
I go by actual test from labs. Considering I spend quite a bit of time with engineers from the equipment manufacturers. See, the engineers aren't bound by marketing stats they have to follow and parrot. The facts speak for themselves. Alot of the battery life lies in the implementation and build out of the network as well.
By the way, you assumes I spelled it wrong being as you had no idea. Most lemmings don't.
36 hours using 3G, yeah right, your outing yourself more and more as someone who has no clue... whatsoever... please stop making claims that are untrue and made up...
Uhhhhh..... Do you even know what an E90 is. Obviously you don't. There is this new thing called the Internets (as said by Prez Bush). Use "The Google" and do a search for E90, N82, N81.
You are talking out of you posterior. I said (read the words this time) technologically old. TS UI's are not new. They have been around. SE, Nokia, Samsung (can't remember the phone) have all had them. Apple has a better implementation on an old idea. No one is taking that away. Go and compare any Motorola, SE, Nokia, Samasung spec wise to the iPhone and then you may loose your "hook, line and sinker" believer status.
Uhhhhh..... Do you even know what an E90 is. Obviously you don't. There is this new thing called the Internets (as said by Prez Bush). Use "The Google" and do a search for E90, N82, N81.
I go by actual test from labs. Considering I spend quite a bit of time with engineers from the equipment manufacturers. See, the engineers aren't bound by marketing stats they have to follow and parrot. The facts speak for themselves. Alot of the battery life lies in the implementation and build out of the network as well.
By the way, you assumes I spelled it wrong being as you had no idea. Most lemmings don't.
"The facts speak for themselves" you say. They certainly do. The Anandtech article is full of facts. And I can't see where you've listed a single fact, saprobaby. I didn't think you'd bother to educate yourself before you replied, and I was right. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well. Your loss.
Don't you get claustrophobic living in that cramped up little world of hate? Or do you find the narrowness somehow perversely comforting? Please don't answer. It just makes me tired all over reading your troll-speak.
Safari's browser is pretty darned fast. I give you that. It is also optimized to be so, but I will not use this as an excuse. The Opera browser on most Nokia phones is pretty darned good as well. No Nokia loving here as they do stupid things as well. By the way, I bash Apple (I have 2 MPB's, iPod Touch, iPhone, various iPods, Apple TV) when they need bashing. I feel that if I pay my money, they have to do what I want. They are working for my $, not the other way around.
i dont get how one browser is faster than the other.. is it depend on the internet connection? or am i missing something...
"The facts speak for themselves" you say. They certainly do. The Anandtech article is full of facts. And I can't see where you've listed a single fact, saprobaby. I didn't think you'd bother to educate yourself before you replied, and I was right. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well. Your loss.
Don't you get claustrophobic living in that cramped up little world of hate? Or do you find the narrowness somehow perversely comforting? Please don't answer. It just makes me tired all over reading your troll-speak.
i dont get how one browser is faster than the other.. is it depend on the internet connection? or am i missing something...
The way they render the images or data. Safari is very good at this. The other browsers use SVG engines and sometimes Java. Java is pretty slow even on full-blown computers, not to mention how slow on some handhelds. A faster connection will assure higher data rates but it does not guarantee faster drawing of the images once they reach the intended device.
"The facts speak for themselves" you say. They certainly do. The Anandtech article is full of facts. And I can't see where you've listed a single fact, saprobaby. I didn't think you'd bother to educate yourself before you replied, and I was right. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well. Your loss.
Don't you get claustrophobic living in that cramped up little world of hate? Or do you find the narrowness somehow perversely comforting? Please don't answer. It just makes me tired all over reading your troll-speak.
You bring a 7 month article out from a guy who's job is to sell you stuff and you taut this as gospel from an expert? Yup, you got lemming all over your bone head. You stick with Stevie Boy and I will rely on the word of network designers, and engineers. They tend to only sell the facts.
As for benefit of the doubt, you don't have to give me anything. I tried to imagine that you have a shred of intellect and it seems we were both let down. No loss though. I guess it must get tiring getting beat up day after day on the way home for school and imagining that Steve Jobs makes computers just for you. Maybe you will get that invite to an Apple party where Steve will introduce you as his best friend. Now, but to your mom's basement. I am sure you have a half empty pizza and a 2 litre Diet Pepsi waiting. Soon the the puberty will pass and your voice will deepen. Then you will discover there are these wonderful things called girls.
You are almost as bad as he. There is a word: ignore. Go look it up. Obviously he is trying to tell me how I meant to spell something when he and now you have no idea what it means. Does that make you as terminally stupid as he or just uninformed?
Hey, fellow members, it looks like sapporobaby is running for the 2008 title for the “Know it all that really knows nothing”! As usual, it’s the newcomers like sapporobaby who like to talk down to the rest of us, as if all of us were uneducated or beneath them, but yet that same person can’t spell, uses improper grammar, has absolutely no clue about the details of most applied technologies and cellular networks, and above and beyond everything else – has to refer to links and magazines (rather than personal knowledge and experience) trying to prove their point.
Sapporobaby, most of us come here for fun, to talk with others and exchange ideas about (among other things) the Apple iPhone. If you joined the forums to post nonsense in an effort to improve your self-esteem, hoping the rest of us will think you’re smarter, wealthier, and your opinions should be taken as fact, then you’re wasting your time. For occupations, some of us are professional writers, programmers, technicians, professors, doctors, attorneys, teachers, and scientists, among other fields. For activities, some of us are stock day traders, game designers, managers of various websites or organizations, athletes, among other tasks that one may be paid for but may be done part time, separate from their official “job”. For experience on cell phones, most of us have owned several and have friends and coworkers who have other cell phones to compare the iPhone to. Taken as a whole, most of us know what we’re talking about.
You, sapporobaby, apparently don’t.
Maybe while offline, few people listen to you or respect your opinions, especially about the iPhone, so you come here to express your nonsense. Most of us are adults who are not as clueless as you are. We aren’t afraid of being wrong about a particular fact or statement, in part or whole, because that is part of learning anything. Ever go to a bookstore or library in your life, sapporobaby? Guess what, in that case, just like me, that means you’re there to borrow or buy literature to expand your knowledge on various subjects. You don’t know everything and never will. Some people will always know more about various subjects than you do and vice versa. Here, in this forum, it’s much the same. I hope you take my not too subtle advice and learn from it and stop acting like a troll. You probably won’t stop but at least I tried.
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Originally Posted by apple20
I have a 4GB iPhone and will most definitely upgrade to the 3G when it comes out. But - will my 4GB iPhone continue to work as an iPod?
Not liking the idea that the 2.5G iPhone will become useless without any service.
Ignore what sapporobaby said. Your 4GB iPhone will stop working. The iPhone is useless until activated by a two year contract with AT&T cellular service and it returns to a useless state once your contract ends. It won’t take calls, play music, or do just about anything. Switching your service to another iPhone means the previous one doesn’t have service. As a result, it stops working. Again, ignore what sapporobaby said.
But don’t worry, apple20. When you upgrade consider giving your 4GB iPhone as a gift to a close friend, who knows it is used but well taken care of. Are they going to complain for getting a used $400 cell phone? Hey, it’s your friend, right? Another option is simply selling it. Since some people, like yourself, bought a 4 GB iPhone rather than 8GB to save $100 to $200 (along with other reasons), I’m sure you’ll find someone happy to buy your 4GB iPhone for around $200.
Apple and AT&T might release a new plan in 2009 which allows users to pay a small fee, perhaps around $50 or so, and that activates the iPhone for everything but cellular service, which more or less turns it into the iTouch. I say this because, at that time, there will be over six million of us who demand our older iPhones continue to work - to some capacity. Apple20, I hope this info helps.
As for AT&T expanding their 3G network, that’s great news for those of us in the United States. Here in New York I have access to Wi-Fi, EDGE, wireless broadband, and by this April – fiber. Having my residence served with fiber, wireless broadband, and cable for internet service, combined with an iPhone that runs on 3G, more or less means I’ll always have fast access to all my information. I won’t be alone, because a 3G iPhone is what most people are waiting for. Copy/paste? By comparison, hehe – what’s that?
Ignore what sapporobaby said. Your 4GB iPhone will stop working. The iPhone is useless until activated by a two year contract with AT&T cellular service and it returns to a useless state once your contract ends. It won?t take calls, play music, or do just about anything. Switching your service to another iPhone means the previous one doesn?t have service. As a result, it stops working. Again, ignore what sapporobaby said.
But don?t worry, apple20. When you upgrade consider giving your 4GB iPhone as a gift to a close friend, who knows it is used but well taken care of. Are they going to complain for getting a used $400 cell phone? Hey, it?s your friend, right? Another option is simply selling it. Since some people, like yourself, bought a 4 GB iPhone rather than 8GB to save $100 to $200 (along with other reasons), I?m sure you?ll find someone happy to buy your 4GB iPhone for around $200.
Apple and AT&T might release a new plan in 2009 which allows users to pay a small fee, perhaps around $50 or so, and that activates the iPhone for everything but cellular service, which more or less turns it into the iTouch. I say this because, at that time, there will be over six million of us who demand our older iPhones continue to work - to some capacity. Apple20, I hope this info helps.
This certainly does help and confirms my suspicions. It is my hope that Apple realize how many people will upgrade from the original 2.5G iPhones to the 3G ones and offer the upgrade to "iTouch" functionality right then and there. Thanks!
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I have a 4GB iPhone and will most definitely upgrade to the 3G when it comes out. But - will my 4GB iPhone continue to work as an iPod?
Not liking the idea that the 2.5G iPhone will become useless without any service.
It will still have service. It will simply ride on GSM and EDGE. I to not think (God I hope not) AT&T will simply dump EDGE. Stranger things have happened though.
What real life tests are these?
The E90 will run for 36 hours using 3G/HSDPA, wifi, phoning. The N95 (8gb) 3 hours, N82 (48 hours). Are you talking earth hours here or Blartonian galactic hours. Your "real" world tests are way off.
36 hours using 3G, yeah right, your outing yourself more and more as someone who has no clue... whatsoever... please stop making claims that are untrue and made up...
your talking absolut troll... to call the iphone old... yeah right, LOL...
You are talking out of you posterior. I said (read the words this time) technologically old. TS UI's are not new. They have been around. SE, Nokia, Samsung (can't remember the phone) have all had them. Apple has a better implementation on an old idea. No one is taking that away. Go and compare any Motorola, SE, Nokia, Samasung spec wise to the iPhone and then you may loose your "hook, line and sinker" believer status.
iPhone has wifi, and the iPhone safari browser loads pages much faster on EDGE than Nokia "smart"phones load pages on 3G! What does that tell you? Believing Nokia, or the typical Apple-bashers lies now are we?
Guess you must be a US resident! Yes 3G ain't faster than Wifi but all over my country I have access to 3G not to Wifi and no I don't live in the desert. People just lock up their wifi and free acces points are very rare in Europe.
If I had the choice between 3G and a 4G iPhone I still would buy the 3G version because 3G is everywhere. EDGE might be faster on an iPhone then 3G on a Nokia but we don't have EDGE overhere and I don't plan to buy a Nokia phone so it just doesn't matter to me.
What real life tests are these?
The E90 will run for 36 hours using 3G/HSDPA, wifi, phoning. The N95 (8gb) 3 hours, N82 (48 hours). Are you talking earth hours here or Blartonian galactic hours. Your "real" world tests are way off.
then talk or visit the big pc magazines that made those test, they will be really happy to entertain your delusions...
Hey Ronda,
I go by actual test from labs. Considering I spend quite a bit of time with engineers from the equipment manufacturers. See, the engineers aren't bound by marketing stats they have to follow and parrot. The facts speak for themselves. Alot of the battery life lies in the implementation and build out of the network as well.
By the way, you assumes I spelled it wrong being as you had no idea. Most lemmings don't.
no comment.... lol...
36 hours using 3G, yeah right, your outing yourself more and more as someone who has no clue... whatsoever... please stop making claims that are untrue and made up...
Uhhhhh..... Do you even know what an E90 is. Obviously you don't. There is this new thing called the Internets (as said by Prez Bush). Use "The Google" and do a search for E90, N82, N81.
Stay in school and off drugs.
You are talking out of you posterior. I said (read the words this time) technologically old. TS UI's are not new. They have been around. SE, Nokia, Samsung (can't remember the phone) have all had them. Apple has a better implementation on an old idea. No one is taking that away. Go and compare any Motorola, SE, Nokia, Samasung spec wise to the iPhone and then you may loose your "hook, line and sinker" believer status.
TTH...
Uhhhhh..... Do you even know what an E90 is. Obviously you don't. There is this new thing called the Internets (as said by Prez Bush). Use "The Google" and do a search for E90, N82, N81.
Stay in school and off drugs.
2x TTH... LOL...
2x TTH... LOL...
You are funny.
Cheers.
Hey Ronda,
I go by actual test from labs. Considering I spend quite a bit of time with engineers from the equipment manufacturers. See, the engineers aren't bound by marketing stats they have to follow and parrot. The facts speak for themselves. Alot of the battery life lies in the implementation and build out of the network as well.
By the way, you assumes I spelled it wrong being as you had no idea. Most lemmings don't.
"The facts speak for themselves" you say. They certainly do. The Anandtech article is full of facts. And I can't see where you've listed a single fact, saprobaby. I didn't think you'd bother to educate yourself before you replied, and I was right. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well. Your loss.
Don't you get claustrophobic living in that cramped up little world of hate? Or do you find the narrowness somehow perversely comforting? Please don't answer. It just makes me tired all over reading your troll-speak.
i am making the argument for that... did you read my post???
i meant to support you.. hahaha
as you should see, if you read my post, bit!
ok.. just making sure
Hi mdotdubz,
Safari's browser is pretty darned fast. I give you that. It is also optimized to be so, but I will not use this as an excuse. The Opera browser on most Nokia phones is pretty darned good as well. No Nokia loving here as they do stupid things as well. By the way, I bash Apple (I have 2 MPB's, iPod Touch, iPhone, various iPods, Apple TV) when they need bashing. I feel that if I pay my money, they have to do what I want. They are working for my $, not the other way around.
i dont get how one browser is faster than the other.. is it depend on the internet connection? or am i missing something...
"The facts speak for themselves" you say. They certainly do. The Anandtech article is full of facts. And I can't see where you've listed a single fact, saprobaby. I didn't think you'd bother to educate yourself before you replied, and I was right. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well. Your loss.
Don't you get claustrophobic living in that cramped up little world of hate? Or do you find the narrowness somehow perversely comforting? Please don't answer. It just makes me tired all over reading your troll-speak.
He hasn't caught your "sapro-" slag yet. Funny
i dont get how one browser is faster than the other.. is it depend on the internet connection? or am i missing something...
The way they render the images or data. Safari is very good at this. The other browsers use SVG engines and sometimes Java. Java is pretty slow even on full-blown computers, not to mention how slow on some handhelds. A faster connection will assure higher data rates but it does not guarantee faster drawing of the images once they reach the intended device.
"The facts speak for themselves" you say. They certainly do. The Anandtech article is full of facts. And I can't see where you've listed a single fact, saprobaby. I didn't think you'd bother to educate yourself before you replied, and I was right. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well. Your loss.
Don't you get claustrophobic living in that cramped up little world of hate? Or do you find the narrowness somehow perversely comforting? Please don't answer. It just makes me tired all over reading your troll-speak.
You bring a 7 month article out from a guy who's job is to sell you stuff and you taut this as gospel from an expert? Yup, you got lemming all over your bone head. You stick with Stevie Boy and I will rely on the word of network designers, and engineers. They tend to only sell the facts.
As for benefit of the doubt, you don't have to give me anything. I tried to imagine that you have a shred of intellect and it seems we were both let down. No loss though. I guess it must get tiring getting beat up day after day on the way home for school and imagining that Steve Jobs makes computers just for you. Maybe you will get that invite to an Apple party where Steve will introduce you as his best friend. Now, but to your mom's basement. I am sure you have a half empty pizza and a 2 litre Diet Pepsi waiting. Soon the the puberty will pass and your voice will deepen. Then you will discover there are these wonderful things called girls.
He hasn't caught your "sapro-" slag yet. Funny
You are almost as bad as he. There is a word: ignore. Go look it up. Obviously he is trying to tell me how I meant to spell something when he and now you have no idea what it means. Does that make you as terminally stupid as he or just uninformed?
Sapporobaby, most of us come here for fun, to talk with others and exchange ideas about (among other things) the Apple iPhone. If you joined the forums to post nonsense in an effort to improve your self-esteem, hoping the rest of us will think you’re smarter, wealthier, and your opinions should be taken as fact, then you’re wasting your time. For occupations, some of us are professional writers, programmers, technicians, professors, doctors, attorneys, teachers, and scientists, among other fields. For activities, some of us are stock day traders, game designers, managers of various websites or organizations, athletes, among other tasks that one may be paid for but may be done part time, separate from their official “job”. For experience on cell phones, most of us have owned several and have friends and coworkers who have other cell phones to compare the iPhone to. Taken as a whole, most of us know what we’re talking about.
You, sapporobaby, apparently don’t.
Maybe while offline, few people listen to you or respect your opinions, especially about the iPhone, so you come here to express your nonsense. Most of us are adults who are not as clueless as you are. We aren’t afraid of being wrong about a particular fact or statement, in part or whole, because that is part of learning anything. Ever go to a bookstore or library in your life, sapporobaby? Guess what, in that case, just like me, that means you’re there to borrow or buy literature to expand your knowledge on various subjects. You don’t know everything and never will. Some people will always know more about various subjects than you do and vice versa. Here, in this forum, it’s much the same. I hope you take my not too subtle advice and learn from it and stop acting like a troll. You probably won’t stop but at least I tried.
I have a 4GB iPhone and will most definitely upgrade to the 3G when it comes out. But - will my 4GB iPhone continue to work as an iPod?
Not liking the idea that the 2.5G iPhone will become useless without any service.
Ignore what sapporobaby said. Your 4GB iPhone will stop working. The iPhone is useless until activated by a two year contract with AT&T cellular service and it returns to a useless state once your contract ends. It won’t take calls, play music, or do just about anything. Switching your service to another iPhone means the previous one doesn’t have service. As a result, it stops working. Again, ignore what sapporobaby said.
But don’t worry, apple20. When you upgrade consider giving your 4GB iPhone as a gift to a close friend, who knows it is used but well taken care of. Are they going to complain for getting a used $400 cell phone? Hey, it’s your friend, right? Another option is simply selling it. Since some people, like yourself, bought a 4 GB iPhone rather than 8GB to save $100 to $200 (along with other reasons), I’m sure you’ll find someone happy to buy your 4GB iPhone for around $200.
Apple and AT&T might release a new plan in 2009 which allows users to pay a small fee, perhaps around $50 or so, and that activates the iPhone for everything but cellular service, which more or less turns it into the iTouch. I say this because, at that time, there will be over six million of us who demand our older iPhones continue to work - to some capacity. Apple20, I hope this info helps.
As for AT&T expanding their 3G network, that’s great news for those of us in the United States. Here in New York I have access to Wi-Fi, EDGE, wireless broadband, and by this April – fiber. Having my residence served with fiber, wireless broadband, and cable for internet service, combined with an iPhone that runs on 3G, more or less means I’ll always have fast access to all my information. I won’t be alone, because a 3G iPhone is what most people are waiting for. Copy/paste? By comparison, hehe – what’s that?
Ignore what sapporobaby said. Your 4GB iPhone will stop working. The iPhone is useless until activated by a two year contract with AT&T cellular service and it returns to a useless state once your contract ends. It won?t take calls, play music, or do just about anything. Switching your service to another iPhone means the previous one doesn?t have service. As a result, it stops working. Again, ignore what sapporobaby said.
But don?t worry, apple20. When you upgrade consider giving your 4GB iPhone as a gift to a close friend, who knows it is used but well taken care of. Are they going to complain for getting a used $400 cell phone? Hey, it?s your friend, right? Another option is simply selling it. Since some people, like yourself, bought a 4 GB iPhone rather than 8GB to save $100 to $200 (along with other reasons), I?m sure you?ll find someone happy to buy your 4GB iPhone for around $200.
Apple and AT&T might release a new plan in 2009 which allows users to pay a small fee, perhaps around $50 or so, and that activates the iPhone for everything but cellular service, which more or less turns it into the iTouch. I say this because, at that time, there will be over six million of us who demand our older iPhones continue to work - to some capacity. Apple20, I hope this info helps.
This certainly does help and confirms my suspicions. It is my hope that Apple realize how many people will upgrade from the original 2.5G iPhones to the 3G ones and offer the upgrade to "iTouch" functionality right then and there. Thanks!