Please get out there and help to put an end to the kind of disgusting, anti-Christian bigotry that is evident in this thread.
Jesus said "love thy neighbor" not "hate the fags" or even "pray for the fags to renounce their faggotry". It is clear that there are certain lost souls in this thread who are following false prophets.
You may not admit it; he may not admit it; but he was born gay.
Just as most people are born straight (do people choose to be straight?!), gay people are born gay. I mean, can you tell me exactly when you "chose" to be straight?
Of course, if you're 35 years old and a virgin, my guess is that your brother is at least being more honest with himself than you are with your self.
I wouldn't say that is 100% true in all cases. You can certainly look to examples where groups of the same sex are sequestered for long periods of time from members of the other (such as prison populations) and turn to homosexual behavior as a way to fulfill the desire for comfort and pleasure. I've seen a semi-recent documentary where women say they never would have become lesbians (or bisexual at the very least) had they not been in that environment and experienced what they later found to be enjoyable, and in many cases preferred.
Scientists have no evidence at all that one species has evolved into another species. Only that there are different species in the fossil record.
Scientists have no evidence at all that life could come together out of a primordial soup all by itself. In fact, statistical analysis shows that in the 4 billion years that the earth has been around, not one single protein could have come together by accident, much less a single cell, much less an organism, much less complex organisms evolving from one to another.
It is only by faith that such things are believed, and this is no more 'rational', if you will, than the theory that God created everything.
Please do not misdirect the thread with your misunderstanding of science and flat out incorrectness in the definitions of "skepticism" and "faith." There are some fundies in the anti-religion camp, who will condemn opponents out of hand, but let's not kid ourselves, there are about 100 times more in the theist camp.
I understand the biblical commission to evangelize, and I understand the need for your ego to be victorious, but it's not getting any converts here. One thing scientists have found is that it is extremely difficult to change hard-set beliefs, especially by strangers in a situation with no personal contact, especially when someone's entire life has been predicated on an extremely limited and structured set of beliefs.
Go home. Self-actualize. But keep your laws off my body, out of my bedroom, and away from church.
The fact that you have a computer program in every cell of your body (DNA) is evidence. That was no accident. Someone wrote the program.
Yeah. Someone called random mutation leading to environmental adaptation, and time. How convenient to the creationists that you can't simulate a billion years' development, or even a thousand.
"No one has ever observed one species changing into another!"
Duh. The lifetime of humans would prohibit the possibility, you idiot.
I wouldn't say that is 100% true in all cases. You can certainly look to examples where groups of the same sex are sequestered for long periods of time from members of the other (such as prison populations) and turn to homosexual behavior as a way to fulfill the desire for comfort and pleasure. I've seen a semi-recent documentary where women say they never would have become lesbians (or bisexual at the very least) had they not been in that environment and experienced what they later found to be enjoyable, and in many cases preferred.
By the same token, you can sequester a gay male with a single female (called "marriage") and he will usually have sex with her.
But are you changing his essential sexuality? No.
People don't "become" gay or straight. They're born that way.
It doesn't mean you can't force them to have sex with a gender different from the one they would naturally choose--in extenuating circumstances like jail (or marriage, LOL).
Yeah. Someone called random mutation leading to environmental adaptation, and time. How convenient to the creationists that you can't simulate a billion years' development, or even a thousand.
Scientists did some calculations to figure out the probability of one protein randomly coming together. The used their best estimate for the 'primordial soup', and actually stacked it optimistically in favor of the protein. The found that it was virtually impossible for one protein to have synthesized itself in 4 billion years, the approximate age of the earth.
If the basic building block of life can't come together on its own in 4 billion years, a cell, an organism, a creature, cannot come together on its own.
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"No one has ever observed one species changing into another!"
Duh. The lifetime of humans would prohibit the possibility, you idiot.
Then the smart thing to do is to keep intelligent design open as a possible answer, isn't it?
Scientists did some calculations to figure out the probability of one protein randomly coming together. The used their best estimate for the 'primordial soup', and actually stacked it optimistically in favor of the protein. The found that it was virtually impossible for one protein to have synthesized itself in 4 billion years, the approximate age of the earth.
If the basic building block of life can't come together on its own in 4 billion years, a cell, an organism, a creature, cannot come together on its own.
Then the smart thing to do is to keep intelligent design open as a possible answer, isn't it?
Which scientists did some calculations?
Can you please provide a link to the research paper? PubMed link?
Prove it, without referencing the Bible (or related faith-based theories).
Look at your genitalia. Look at the genitalia of the opposite sex. Tab A was designed for Slot B. Look at the orifice on your backside. It was not designed for the purpose. It was designed for exit, and has no lubrication system.
That's not entirely true. And you have no evidence to back up such a claim.
I also have a theory on sexuality, that I hope to expand upon and publish some day.
Imagine that our sexual attraction to a person can be measured on a scale of 1 to 100.
We are each of us born with a measure of attraction to the opposite sex, and a measure of attraction to the same sex. These attractions are completely independent from one another.
Let's call these values of attraction XY (opposite sex) and XX (same sex).
A person's XY can be high and their XX also high, and they are naturally bisexual.
A person's XY can be low and their XX also low, and they are naturally asexual.
A person's XY can be high and their XX low, and they are naturally heterosexual.
A person's XY can be low and their XX high, and they are naturally homosexual.
And all levels of gray fall in-between.
But then we have the effect of society, which includes religious and cultural beliefs, as well as the species' natural tendency to procreate. These all tend toward heterosexual behavior.
A naturally bisexual person can easily choose to behave in a heterosexual manner, as they can find someone of the opposite sex to be sexually attracted to.
A naturally homosexual person has to fight a little harder.
Anyway, I think if you think about my theory a bit you'll see how it makes perfect sense, and real-world data about the incidence of homosexual behavior would appear to support this theory perfectly. It also explains how some people can "choose" the side of sexuality upon which they act.
However, there are people who are born homosexual, who simply have a tougher time ignoring their natural tendencies.
This is where I'll be this Sunday, as I have been for the last 3 years. In support of my fellow homo-sapiens, against the anti-Christian bigots of the world who "hate fags".
Look at your genitalia. Look at the genitalia of the opposite sex. Tab A was designed for Slot B. Look at the orifice on your backside. It was not designed for the purpose. It was designed for exit, and has no lubrication system.
Except that they weren't designed, except by random mutation, adaptation to environment, and time. And isn't there more than one role for sexual behavior? Yes, sexual behavior leads to procreation. But it also leads to interpersonal bond. It also leads to personal ambition. It also leads to cooperation. It also leads to a kind of "faith" that isn't linked to a questionable source like the Bible. Homosexuals can share all of those benefits save one. And the world is overpopulated, anyway.
Look at your genitalia. Look at the genitalia of the opposite sex. Tab A was designed for Slot B. Look at the orifice on your backside. It was not designed for the purpose. It was designed for exit, and has no lubrication system.
Frugality, do you look at the genitalia of the opposite sex? Have you ever seen it? Where? In an anatomy book? If not, then I guess you're a closet sinner, aren't you?
Otherwise, how the hell do you know what "fits" and what doesn't?
REPENT!
Flagellate yourself 20 times for each time you've downloaded pr0n off the internet. That should do it.
Of course, if you believed in Leviticus, as you claim to, you would expect to be put to death.
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Please get out there and help to put an end to the kind of disgusting, anti-Christian bigotry that is evident in this thread.
Jesus said "love thy neighbor" not "hate the fags" or even "pray for the fags to renounce their faggotry". It is clear that there are certain lost souls in this thread who are following false prophets.
People don't choose (or change) their sexuality.
Your brother was born gay.
You may not admit it; he may not admit it; but he was born gay.
Just as most people are born straight (do people choose to be straight?!), gay people are born gay. I mean, can you tell me exactly when you "chose" to be straight?
Of course, if you're 35 years old and a virgin, my guess is that your brother is at least being more honest with himself than you are with your self.
I wouldn't say that is 100% true in all cases. You can certainly look to examples where groups of the same sex are sequestered for long periods of time from members of the other (such as prison populations) and turn to homosexual behavior as a way to fulfill the desire for comfort and pleasure. I've seen a semi-recent documentary where women say they never would have become lesbians (or bisexual at the very least) had they not been in that environment and experienced what they later found to be enjoyable, and in many cases preferred.
Creation, on the other hand, has absolutely no evidence to support it.
The fact that you have a computer program in every cell of your body (DNA) is evidence. That was no accident. Someone wrote the program.
Scientists have no evidence at all that one species has evolved into another species. Only that there are different species in the fossil record.
Scientists have no evidence at all that life could come together out of a primordial soup all by itself. In fact, statistical analysis shows that in the 4 billion years that the earth has been around, not one single protein could have come together by accident, much less a single cell, much less an organism, much less complex organisms evolving from one to another.
It is only by faith that such things are believed, and this is no more 'rational', if you will, than the theory that God created everything.
Please do not misdirect the thread with your misunderstanding of science and flat out incorrectness in the definitions of "skepticism" and "faith." There are some fundies in the anti-religion camp, who will condemn opponents out of hand, but let's not kid ourselves, there are about 100 times more in the theist camp.
I understand the biblical commission to evangelize, and I understand the need for your ego to be victorious, but it's not getting any converts here. One thing scientists have found is that it is extremely difficult to change hard-set beliefs, especially by strangers in a situation with no personal contact, especially when someone's entire life has been predicated on an extremely limited and structured set of beliefs.
Go home. Self-actualize. But keep your laws off my body, out of my bedroom, and away from church.
The fact that you have a computer program in every cell of your body (DNA) is evidence. That was no accident. Someone wrote the program.
Yeah. Someone called random mutation leading to environmental adaptation, and time. How convenient to the creationists that you can't simulate a billion years' development, or even a thousand.
"No one has ever observed one species changing into another!"
Duh. The lifetime of humans would prohibit the possibility, you idiot.
The fact that you have a computer program in every cell of your body (DNA) is evidence. That was no accident. Someone wrote the program.
Is it OS X, Windows, or Linux?
I really, really hope it isn't Vista.
.
home and play nice again :-)
Is it OS X, Windows, or Linux?
I really, really hope it isn't Vista.
.
Mine is OSX 10.6!
I am Homo Sapien Ligerus!
The fact that you have a computer program in every cell of your body (DNA) is evidence. That was no accident. Someone wrote the program.
Now you are really confused. God as a hacker?
I wouldn't say that is 100% true in all cases. You can certainly look to examples where groups of the same sex are sequestered for long periods of time from members of the other (such as prison populations) and turn to homosexual behavior as a way to fulfill the desire for comfort and pleasure. I've seen a semi-recent documentary where women say they never would have become lesbians (or bisexual at the very least) had they not been in that environment and experienced what they later found to be enjoyable, and in many cases preferred.
By the same token, you can sequester a gay male with a single female (called "marriage") and he will usually have sex with her.
But are you changing his essential sexuality? No.
People don't "become" gay or straight. They're born that way.
It doesn't mean you can't force them to have sex with a gender different from the one they would naturally choose--in extenuating circumstances like jail (or marriage, LOL).
Yeah. Someone called random mutation leading to environmental adaptation, and time. How convenient to the creationists that you can't simulate a billion years' development, or even a thousand.
Scientists did some calculations to figure out the probability of one protein randomly coming together. The used their best estimate for the 'primordial soup', and actually stacked it optimistically in favor of the protein. The found that it was virtually impossible for one protein to have synthesized itself in 4 billion years, the approximate age of the earth.
If the basic building block of life can't come together on its own in 4 billion years, a cell, an organism, a creature, cannot come together on its own.
"No one has ever observed one species changing into another!"
Duh. The lifetime of humans would prohibit the possibility, you idiot.
Then the smart thing to do is to keep intelligent design open as a possible answer, isn't it?
People don't "become" gay or straight. They're born that way.
We are all born either heterosexual or asexual.
I go away from the boards for a day and the idiots start multiplying.
I've handed out far too many infractions in the past 15 minutes.
I'll keep doing so ... bans are closing in for some.
We are all born either heterosexual or asexual.
Prove it, without referencing the Bible (or related faith-based theories).
Scientists did some calculations to figure out the probability of one protein randomly coming together. The used their best estimate for the 'primordial soup', and actually stacked it optimistically in favor of the protein. The found that it was virtually impossible for one protein to have synthesized itself in 4 billion years, the approximate age of the earth.
If the basic building block of life can't come together on its own in 4 billion years, a cell, an organism, a creature, cannot come together on its own.
Then the smart thing to do is to keep intelligent design open as a possible answer, isn't it?
Which scientists did some calculations?
Can you please provide a link to the research paper? PubMed link?
Prove it, without referencing the Bible (or related faith-based theories).
Look at your genitalia. Look at the genitalia of the opposite sex. Tab A was designed for Slot B. Look at the orifice on your backside. It was not designed for the purpose. It was designed for exit, and has no lubrication system.
We are all born either heterosexual or asexual.
That's not entirely true. And you have no evidence to back up such a claim.
I also have a theory on sexuality, that I hope to expand upon and publish some day.
Imagine that our sexual attraction to a person can be measured on a scale of 1 to 100.
We are each of us born with a measure of attraction to the opposite sex, and a measure of attraction to the same sex. These attractions are completely independent from one another.
Let's call these values of attraction XY (opposite sex) and XX (same sex).
A person's XY can be high and their XX also high, and they are naturally bisexual.
A person's XY can be low and their XX also low, and they are naturally asexual.
A person's XY can be high and their XX low, and they are naturally heterosexual.
A person's XY can be low and their XX high, and they are naturally homosexual.
And all levels of gray fall in-between.
But then we have the effect of society, which includes religious and cultural beliefs, as well as the species' natural tendency to procreate. These all tend toward heterosexual behavior.
A naturally bisexual person can easily choose to behave in a heterosexual manner, as they can find someone of the opposite sex to be sexually attracted to.
A naturally homosexual person has to fight a little harder.
Anyway, I think if you think about my theory a bit you'll see how it makes perfect sense, and real-world data about the incidence of homosexual behavior would appear to support this theory perfectly. It also explains how some people can "choose" the side of sexuality upon which they act.
However, there are people who are born homosexual, who simply have a tougher time ignoring their natural tendencies.
Now, let's all go out and support IDAHO.
http://www.idahohk.org/2008/index.htm
This is where I'll be this Sunday, as I have been for the last 3 years. In support of my fellow homo-sapiens, against the anti-Christian bigots of the world who "hate fags".
Look at your genitalia. Look at the genitalia of the opposite sex. Tab A was designed for Slot B. Look at the orifice on your backside. It was not designed for the purpose. It was designed for exit, and has no lubrication system.
Except that they weren't designed, except by random mutation, adaptation to environment, and time. And isn't there more than one role for sexual behavior? Yes, sexual behavior leads to procreation. But it also leads to interpersonal bond. It also leads to personal ambition. It also leads to cooperation. It also leads to a kind of "faith" that isn't linked to a questionable source like the Bible. Homosexuals can share all of those benefits save one. And the world is overpopulated, anyway.
Look at your genitalia. Look at the genitalia of the opposite sex. Tab A was designed for Slot B. Look at the orifice on your backside. It was not designed for the purpose. It was designed for exit, and has no lubrication system.
Frugality, do you look at the genitalia of the opposite sex? Have you ever seen it? Where? In an anatomy book? If not, then I guess you're a closet sinner, aren't you?
Otherwise, how the hell do you know what "fits" and what doesn't?
REPENT!
Flagellate yourself 20 times for each time you've downloaded pr0n off the internet. That should do it.
Of course, if you believed in Leviticus, as you claim to, you would expect to be put to death.