That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
Its not as if a $600 dollar phone or even a $1000 phone are unheard of. From reports there is no indication that revenues from the iPhone are way out of proportion from Apple's other products.
The reason the iPhone is $200 is because it is subsidized. Its believed that AT&T is paying the other $200. Apple is still basically making the same amount of money.
The OS has gone through major revisions and there is the SDK. I have no idea how much that stuff costs. As for the HW, I can't wait until we can crack that puppy open and take a look.
My bet is they integrated the comms and logic boards into one board and used the extra space for battery.
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There is always the possibility that TomTom may be working with Apple now but keeping it hush hush from here on out. If they aren't and no one else has such an app then this would help TomTom maintain it's business. I love my TomTom and hope they are working with Apple. If Apple added that to the SDK for no other reason that to hinder competition then there will legal problems.
You also have to remember that TomTom and Apple's iPhone/iPod division share an awful lot of ex-Psion hardware and software guys. I'd be quite surprised if that didn't open up channels.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
Define "overpriced." Given that it sold like crazy at the outset, it wasn't. It may have become overpriced in the two months that followed, which is why that adjusted it. The price is what people will pay.
Its not as if a $600 dollar phone or even a $1000 phone are unheard of. From reports there is no indication that revenues from the iPhone are way out of proportion from Apple's other products.
The reason the iPhone is $200 is because it is subsidized. Its believed that AT&T is paying the other $200. Apple is still basically making the same amount of money.
You'll have to prove it's subsidized. The only evidence we have is that AT&T is charging more for the data plan.
Define "overpriced." Given that it sold like crazy at the outset, it wasn't. It may have become overpriced in the two months that followed, which is why that adjusted it. The price is what people will pay.
Sold like crazy in the US maybe. It certainly *was* overpriced elsewhere. Thankfully they've now fixed that and it's free here in the UK like other phones with the same tariffs.
You'll have to prove it's subsidized. The only evidence we have is that AT&T is charging more for the data plan.
Well, it's free here and the tariff prices haven't changed. I would guess it's both cheaper for O2 to buy from Apple as they've reduced the cost of the handset and it's still subsidised*.
* where subsidised = paid for by the customer anyway monthly in the tariff.
"AT&T and Apple have shared ongoing revenue from iPhone users. But now AT&T will pay the upfront cost for the iPhone 3G and subsidize the total cost of the phone by making customers agree to a two-year service contract."
"But the new deal comes at a price. AT&T executives said on a conference call with analysts and investors on Monday that the arrangement will put pressure on the company's profit margins and dilute earnings for the next year and a half. That said, the company believes that the new price point and improved Web surfing experience of the iPhone on AT&T's 3G wireless network will drive sales of the iPhone and get more customers using its data services. What's more, AT&T sees iPhone users as highly valuable customers. Executives said that they are willing to make upfront sacrifices to get these customers on their network."
Question to US or other non UK iphone customers/fans.
When you send an SMS do you switch on SMS delivery reports? Do you find this useful?
I always make use of this as I can see when someone gets my message so im really confused as to why Apple have still not chosen to use this. Is this something that can be added to iphone/iphone3g via a future fw update?
That's that innovative, friendly Apple UI experience showing through again.
Yeah defiantley. But I think its more a network issue. Its seems O2 generally dont support delivery reports direct from the phone so you have to always type that prefix. Can you set a mesage template in iphone? Problem solved. :-)
Anyway im most definatley going to be getting iphone 3g just as soon as my contract is up as I want to port my number over.
Yeah defiantley. But I think its more a network issue. Its seems O2 generally dont support delivery reports direct from the phone so you have to always type that prefix.
I think they do... my housemate uses O2 (non-iPhone) and gets the reports automatically.
I reckon the way Apple should do them is by having the colour of the message bubble change. It starts out grey, then goes green or whatever when the other person receives the message. That's a nice unobtrusive interface.
Anyway im most definatley going to be getting iphone 3g just as soon as my contract is up as I want to port my number over.
I thought I would be, but it looks like the early adopter aren't going to be eligible for the $199 3G iPhone for about another year. AT&T still hasn't decided on a price for upgrading early and will probably still require a new 2 year contract.
I thought I would be, but it looks like the early adopter aren't going to be eligible for the $199 3G iPhone for about another year. AT&T still hasn't decided on a price for upgrading early and will probably still require a new 2 year contract.
AT&T has stated that owners of the original iPhone can upgrade to the iPhone 3G with a new 2-year contract that REPLACES the old contract. Replacing the old contracts means the old contract is null and void and the new 2-year contract starts as of the day you buy the iPhone 3G.
AT&T has stated that owners of the original iPhone can upgrade to the iPhone 3G with a new 2-year contract that REPLACES the old contract. Replacing the old contracts means the old contract is null and void and the new 2-year contract starts as of the day you buy the iPhone 3G.
Do you have a link? The most recent AT&T memo floating around states that current iPhone owners, up to May 27th, 2008, have to wait until their upgrade date before getting the $199 price and being able to void their current contract for a new 2 year contract.
I think they do... my housemate uses O2 (non-iPhone) and gets the reports automatically.
I reckon the way Apple should do them is by having the colour of the message bubble change. It starts out grey, then goes green or whatever when the other person receives the message. That's a nice unobtrusive interface.
Amorya
"The ?delivery report? function is not supported on our network. If you?d like to receive delivery reports, you can enter *0# followed by your text message and then send the message as you usually would."
I think you can actually do this for most networks. Try it just sending a message to yourself. And from what I have been told there isnt any changing of colour for the message bubble. The delivery report is its own message which is good.
My contract doesnt actually end till start of Q4 so I have a bit of a wait but ive waited this long just for the 3g iphone so I can wait a little longer.
It really is the best phone ever!!! But that still doesnt excuse the lack of video capture.
I think you can actually do this for most networks. Try it just sending a message to yourself. And from what I have been told there isnt any changing of colour for the message bubble. The delivery report is its own message which is good.
I know there isn't currently a changing colour of bubbles. I'm suggesting what the interface for it should be like, in my opinion.
A separate message would be unusable -- I send about 20 SMS a day. I wouldn't be able to wade through that many report messages.
Once I have the new one can I, in a bind, swap the SIM card into my original iPhone?
As of right now, it seems that the new one will come with a special SIm card like the old one did and will not take a different SIM unless jailbroken and unlocked.
But that may be a moot point as it seems that you will be required to activate each and every iPhone with both Apple and AT&T stores, so they can bump you up to the higher monthy data rate immediately.
PS: Another unknown is what will happen to current iPhone users who are not yet available for $199 upgrade price accordign to a recently leaked internal memo. Though I can't see them not offering the new model with the increased monthly fee to their customers. It would be shooting themselves in their foot twice.
Wow so there is zero utility in holding onto the original? If iPhone 3G takes a dip, a bad fall, I can't do anything about it without the aid of an AT&T store, or is the sim card REALLY not usable at all for the original?
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That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
Its not as if a $600 dollar phone or even a $1000 phone are unheard of. From reports there is no indication that revenues from the iPhone are way out of proportion from Apple's other products.
The reason the iPhone is $200 is because it is subsidized. Its believed that AT&T is paying the other $200. Apple is still basically making the same amount of money.
The OS has gone through major revisions and there is the SDK. I have no idea how much that stuff costs. As for the HW, I can't wait until we can crack that puppy open and take a look.
My bet is they integrated the comms and logic boards into one board and used the extra space for battery.
There is always the possibility that TomTom may be working with Apple now but keeping it hush hush from here on out. If they aren't and no one else has such an app then this would help TomTom maintain it's business. I love my TomTom and hope they are working with Apple. If Apple added that to the SDK for no other reason that to hinder competition then there will legal problems.
You also have to remember that TomTom and Apple's iPhone/iPod division share an awful lot of ex-Psion hardware and software guys. I'd be quite surprised if that didn't open up channels.
That's your interpretation. A perhaps more accurate interpretation is that prices were reduced dramatically in order to justify the sales projections. Are you saying that in 68 days after its initial release all R&D costs had been paid off and that is why it dropped $200?
The product was overpriced to begin with and I know that be hard for those who bought into it initally and waited for hours to buy it but that is the fact. It was a bold marketing move on Apple's part to give it an "exclusive" factor @ $600 but it was definitely overpriced at $600.
Define "overpriced." Given that it sold like crazy at the outset, it wasn't. It may have become overpriced in the two months that followed, which is why that adjusted it. The price is what people will pay.
Its not as if a $600 dollar phone or even a $1000 phone are unheard of. From reports there is no indication that revenues from the iPhone are way out of proportion from Apple's other products.
The reason the iPhone is $200 is because it is subsidized. Its believed that AT&T is paying the other $200. Apple is still basically making the same amount of money.
You'll have to prove it's subsidized. The only evidence we have is that AT&T is charging more for the data plan.
Define "overpriced." Given that it sold like crazy at the outset, it wasn't. It may have become overpriced in the two months that followed, which is why that adjusted it. The price is what people will pay.
Sold like crazy in the US maybe. It certainly *was* overpriced elsewhere. Thankfully they've now fixed that and it's free here in the UK like other phones with the same tariffs.
You'll have to prove it's subsidized. The only evidence we have is that AT&T is charging more for the data plan.
Well, it's free here and the tariff prices haven't changed. I would guess it's both cheaper for O2 to buy from Apple as they've reduced the cost of the handset and it's still subsidised*.
* where subsidised = paid for by the customer anyway monthly in the tariff.
You'll have to prove it's subsidized. The only evidence we have is that AT&T is charging more for the data plan.
The proof is all over the net. AT&T is also lowering the cost of the voice plans and offering separate text plan.
AT&T's iPhone 3G subsidy will cost 'em
"AT&T and Apple have shared ongoing revenue from iPhone users. But now AT&T will pay the upfront cost for the iPhone 3G and subsidize the total cost of the phone by making customers agree to a two-year service contract."
"But the new deal comes at a price. AT&T executives said on a conference call with analysts and investors on Monday that the arrangement will put pressure on the company's profit margins and dilute earnings for the next year and a half. That said, the company believes that the new price point and improved Web surfing experience of the iPhone on AT&T's 3G wireless network will drive sales of the iPhone and get more customers using its data services. What's more, AT&T sees iPhone users as highly valuable customers. Executives said that they are willing to make upfront sacrifices to get these customers on their network."
When you send an SMS do you switch on SMS delivery reports? Do you find this useful?
I always make use of this as I can see when someone gets my message so im really confused as to why Apple have still not chosen to use this. Is this something that can be added to iphone/iphone3g via a future fw update?
Thanks
Oh ok never mind I just found out that you can after all get SMS delivery reports on iphone you just need to type *0# before the message.
That's that innovative, friendly Apple UI experience showing through again.
That's that innovative, friendly Apple UI experience showing through again.
Yeah defiantley. But I think its more a network issue. Its seems O2 generally dont support delivery reports direct from the phone so you have to always type that prefix. Can you set a mesage template in iphone? Problem solved. :-)
Anyway im most definatley going to be getting iphone 3g just as soon as my contract is up as I want to port my number over.
Yeah defiantley. But I think its more a network issue. Its seems O2 generally dont support delivery reports direct from the phone so you have to always type that prefix.
I think they do... my housemate uses O2 (non-iPhone) and gets the reports automatically.
I reckon the way Apple should do them is by having the colour of the message bubble change. It starts out grey, then goes green or whatever when the other person receives the message. That's a nice unobtrusive interface.
Amorya
Anyway im most definatley going to be getting iphone 3g just as soon as my contract is up as I want to port my number over.
I thought I would be, but it looks like the early adopter aren't going to be eligible for the $199 3G iPhone for about another year. AT&T still hasn't decided on a price for upgrading early and will probably still require a new 2 year contract.
I thought I would be, but it looks like the early adopter aren't going to be eligible for the $199 3G iPhone for about another year. AT&T still hasn't decided on a price for upgrading early and will probably still require a new 2 year contract.
AT&T has stated that owners of the original iPhone can upgrade to the iPhone 3G with a new 2-year contract that REPLACES the old contract. Replacing the old contracts means the old contract is null and void and the new 2-year contract starts as of the day you buy the iPhone 3G.
AT&T has stated that owners of the original iPhone can upgrade to the iPhone 3G with a new 2-year contract that REPLACES the old contract. Replacing the old contracts means the old contract is null and void and the new 2-year contract starts as of the day you buy the iPhone 3G.
Do you have a link? The most recent AT&T memo floating around states that current iPhone owners, up to May 27th, 2008, have to wait until their upgrade date before getting the $199 price and being able to void their current contract for a new 2 year contract.
edit: http://justinflood.com/?p=165
I think they do... my housemate uses O2 (non-iPhone) and gets the reports automatically.
I reckon the way Apple should do them is by having the colour of the message bubble change. It starts out grey, then goes green or whatever when the other person receives the message. That's a nice unobtrusive interface.
Amorya
"The ?delivery report? function is not supported on our network. If you?d like to receive delivery reports, you can enter *0# followed by your text message and then send the message as you usually would."
I think you can actually do this for most networks. Try it just sending a message to yourself. And from what I have been told there isnt any changing of colour for the message bubble. The delivery report is its own message which is good.
My contract doesnt actually end till start of Q4 so I have a bit of a wait but ive waited this long just for the 3g iphone so I can wait a little longer.
It really is the best phone ever!!! But that still doesnt excuse the lack of video capture.
I think you can actually do this for most networks. Try it just sending a message to yourself. And from what I have been told there isnt any changing of colour for the message bubble. The delivery report is its own message which is good.
I know there isn't currently a changing colour of bubbles. I'm suggesting what the interface for it should be like, in my opinion.
A separate message would be unusable -- I send about 20 SMS a day. I wouldn't be able to wade through that many report messages.
Amorya
Once I have the new one can I, in a bind, swap the SIM card into my original iPhone?
As of right now, it seems that the new one will come with a special SIm card like the old one did and will not take a different SIM unless jailbroken and unlocked.
But that may be a moot point as it seems that you will be required to activate each and every iPhone with both Apple and AT&T stores, so they can bump you up to the higher monthy data rate immediately.
PS: Another unknown is what will happen to current iPhone users who are not yet available for $199 upgrade price accordign to a recently leaked internal memo. Though I can't see them not offering the new model with the increased monthly fee to their customers. It would be shooting themselves in their foot twice.