I think you're wrong there. Stock prices rarely reflect what is, but rather reflect expectations of what will be.
With Jobs gone the expectation at best would be 'let's hope it continues as is' but more likely people will be hesitant assuming that without Jobs' input new ideas will become rarer and not as spot on and Apple will slowly lose its edge. With that expectation stock prices will dive - regardless of current fundamentals.
Oh I certainly do have Apple future performance in mind. As one example, Amazon is currently trading at something like 40x P/E, Apple at 10x P/E (and Amazon doesn't have Apple's huge deferred income or cash stack).
Investors will have to ask themselves: is Jeff Bezos worth 4X Tim Cook and the rest of the Apple team? What happens when Apple release a Kindle killer (one that doesn't look/feel bad and has a touch screen instead of the useless keyboard)? What happens when iPhone 3 is released this summer for $99 and with a major upgrade of the iPhone OS X and is a big hit? A super sexy iTablet priced like a netbook?
You do realize that without Jobs killing stuff, Apple is likely to release more rather than fewer products?
It's funny you know i didn't answer any calls at the weekend or even go online either. No instead i spent a sunny weekend in the garden, with my family which is a much healthier option don't you think.
IMO, the most likely reason Apple is keeping mum is the most obvious one -- no one knows exactly what's wrong with Jobs including his doctors, and Jobs has absolutely vetoed the publication of daily medical bulletins -- and who could blame him.
Of course they don't know; there's uncertainly in any medical procedure. Nobody expects Apple to issue daily updates on Jobs' health, but the whole "Steve Jobs' health is a private issue and is not open for discussion" is nothing more than Apple trying to control this situation the best they can, and it's very surprising how many people bought into that angle (or maybe it's not that surprising)
If you don't like the way Cringely reported this info, then how would *you* have reported it? If you don't think he should have reported it, then I don't think you understand the situation very well.
Let's stick to rumors on Apple and not an individual's personal health matters. This should not AI's type of reporting.
I beg to differ on this. Apple is not the same company as it is when Steve is at the helm. He is likely the only CEO that is so tied to his company that he appears to be the company. I would like to think that Apple would be just fine without him but hey what has apple done in his absence? New products are none. Snow Leopard is still not released. And what about the leaks. A photo of an employee working at Apple. A video of the supposed new mac mini? These things would not happen under SJs' watch. At least they have not made anything dumb like a toaster. Like most here I pray for the recovery of SJ if only for the sake of our blessed ipods, iphones, macs and such. The day he passes away, tomorrow or years from now will be a black day for Apple, computers and innovation. :-(
If you don't like the way Cringely reported this info, then how would *you* have reported it? If you don't think he should have reported it, then I don't think you understand the situation very well.
I would have waited until I had something more to report than Steve Jobs' change in iChat habits, which *in and of itself* tells us nothing. If Cringely or any other journalist hears from two trusted, independent sources, known to be in a position to know and without axes to grind, that Jobs is gravely ill, or not expected to ever return to Apple, or has finally been diagnosed or..., then by all means I would report it, with a big fat headline. But Cringely has *NOTHING* -- the iChat business may be as simple as Mrs. Jobs telling Steve to cut it out for the full six months.
Note, I know less than nothing -- Jobs may be on his deathbed or on the road to a full recovery and 20 more years as Apple CEO, or somewhere in between. But in actual fact, that's exactly how much Cringely knows too, based on his article.
Until someone prints an article about Steve Jobs' actual health, based on facts, not speculation, they should stop gossiping if they value their reputation. I *like* Cringely. I am a long time, regular reader. I don't mind when he prints fanciful stuff. But when he is predicting that IBMs stock is going to tank as he did, incorrectly, over the last couple of years, at least he is speculating about an inanimate object. Steve Jobs is a real live human and deserves more substantial reporting.
...the book, published in 1996, in which Cringely predicted PCs would be "obsolete" by the year 2000 and "only software would survive."
Which is why I stopped reading Cringely years ago. He's usually entertaining but almost never right about anything, and this latest story changes nothing. Well, except that it's not even entertaining.
You know, I just want to say your attack on Cringely is kinda fucked up. The man has been in the game for a lot long than any of us, and even had a relationship with Jobs and Apple when it was still a garage operation. I understand the need for objectivity, but this is a little over the top. Btw, his Triumph of The Nerds is an amazing doc so show some respect.
If Cringlely was really a friend of Jobs, he should have kept this to himself. In any case, I guess he's off Jobs' buddy list now.
I hope Papa Steve is somewhere in the Caribbean, learning to kiteboard, or something. Better yet, deeply focused on getting the tablet finished.
Regarding if AI should run this. I think they should - it's something that's out there and affecting Apple. However, AI could have put a different spin on it, showing their disproval.
Hey Kasper, you're lowering yourself to the level of tabloid fodder. You seem to be hearing the general consensus but not paying attention really.
Stop this rumor-mongering. Unless there is bonafide fact to support anything about Jobs, you're contributing to the "let's pull a rumor out of my a** and see who jumps" mentality.
As far as I'm concerned, Jobs is taking a seriously long overdue sabbatical. People here somehow expect Jobs to be in front of a computer during every waking moment?
If the only contact Jobs has with this "friend" is via online communication, how much of a friend is this person really?
Reminds me of Facebook friends, and an article that I read awhile back that stated if a person will not lend you money, then they are not really a friend.
If not being online is a crime for people involved in the computer industry, especially those at the top, maybe everyone should be forced to use Twitter at the expense of the corporation and it should be regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission to constantly make presence known to shareholder. I can only begin to imagine the human rights issues if such an idea seriously was considered.
AppleInsider is free to publish this, but should have been more op-ed in this piece making statements about Cringley and his ancestry (ie. son of a bitch.)
The man is on his death bed, so forgive him if he doesn't have time to chat.
What happened to all the "we'' see him in June" people?
I think the select few of us, while wishing Jobs well, knew that he was indeed, sick or not feeling well.
The rumor sites had all these predictions for Macworld, normally, they would be off by a few things, this time, they were ALL off 100%, this means, Apple at the last minute, pulled the product, took Steve out of the loop, and will plan to release new products between now and then showing the people they don't need Jobs. Truth of the matter though is that this was by design and by Jobs himself. I'm sure we still have those predictions threads bookmarked, but anyone that thought otherwise, (that Jobs was okay), has no clue.
Hope he gets well - but you have to wonder, a lot of products need refresh. The iPhone needs flash and while Apple blames Adobe, further research shows that Apple is hampering Adobe as they fear the introduction of Adobe applications. At the same time, the iPhone has millions of users about to turn two years old on their contracts (June) and many newer phones will have FLASH and TETHERING - additionally, there is no sub mid range head machine. The mini looks like it will have firewire but will it have dedicated GPU, if so, will it be crippled by slower CPU?
Not sure about everyone here but in some respect, if and when Jobs steps down for good, I think the marketing department will have more headway and won't be afraid of introducing products that the people want instead of releasing products that are crippled (macbook, newer GPU, no firewire), and start releasing products that get the job done without having to spends a few thousand dollars in order to get a $3.00 part.
After being so totally wrong so many times, you'd think that you'd just give up posting your predictions here.
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... I think the select few of us, while wishing Jobs well, knew that he was indeed, sick or not feeling well. ... they were ALL off 100%, this means, Apple at the last minute, pulled the product, took Steve out of the loop, and will plan to release new products ... Truth of the matter though is that this was by design and by Jobs himself. ... anyone that thought otherwise, (that Jobs was okay), has no clue. ... The iPhone needs flash and while Apple blames Adobe, further research shows that Apple is hampering Adobe as they fear the introduction of Adobe applications. ... additionally, there is no sub mid range head machine. ...
In case you haven't noticed, you are in disagreement with the majority on pretty much all of these statements, yet you frame each and every one of them as something that "everyone knows" or "it's a fact that" etc. I think you must be a (not especially gifted) teenager or something. Most people know how to write better and construct a proper argument before they leave High School.
This one takes the cake though.
It makes me think you are just pretending to be a dimwit for fun, as a sort of forum "character."
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... if and when Jobs steps down for good, I think the marketing department will have more headway and won't be afraid of introducing products that the people want instead of releasing products that are crippled (macbook, newer GPU, no firewire), and start releasing products that get the job done without having to spends a few thousand dollars in order to get a $3.00 part. ...
Apple's business model is one of the best out there. One of the main reasons being their spectacular margins, yet you are advocating that they swallow some of that margin to produce products in a price range you like?
Apple's design chops are second to none, yet you are suggesting they use inferior materials or cheaper designs so as to produce products that *you* find acceptable and again, in a price range you like.
Apple's customer satisfaction ratings are through the roof, and again, second to none in their end of the business, but you are suggesting that there are so many people out there (like you) that are so dissatisfied that Apple should change everything around again to focus on "what people (in other words just you) really want."
I don't think LOL or even ROFL even begins to cover the reaction to this comment.
If a friend of mine didn't login for a couple of weeks, my first thought would be that he's gone on holiday, not that he's on his death bed. Steve's rich and has lots of rich friends. Maybe, just maybe he on a private little island somewhere, or perhaps on a yacht catching some nice healthy sea air and sunshine.
Then again, I don't have the rep of a storm crow to live up to!
He said "obsolete" so he is off by more than a decade, since the decade has all but passed already and we are actually at the very *beginning* of this process. The PC industry lives on hype and unbridled Futurism true, but Cringley was still wrong, and by at least two decades, possibly three.
Since when he said that it was the 90's, this means he was off by something like a factor of four to six. Something taking four to six times longer than your prediction, is pretty bad by any standard.
I never meant to defend the cringing one, but was simply moved off the article topic by knowing we're well past the "very *beginning* of this process" already.
traditional corded PC's (outside of the workplace and serious power users) are in fact in precipitous decline, notebooks have passed their zenith - and any OS that gets you on the net (THE software of the near future), or simply fetches media and other info from (and to) the net (and other cabled and FIOS'ed and cell-towered, satellited, Wi-fied and Wimaxed connections to other clouds) with a minimum of fuss will do for most people's computing needs. even if Apple does it with more dash and panache.
today.
expect new metrics (though many close to this may already exist) about the mind and market share of all digital devices (PC's, luggables, briefcaseables, pocketables, media servers, DVR's, cameras, picture frames, dialables, txtables, Skypeables, GPS's and many more to come) with which people receive, create, modify, save and transmit bits - and anyone will be able see how far this revolution's already come.
so my difference with you is that I estimate we're more approaching the end of this beginning and the tide has already shifted perceptibly, the big waves already starting to crash on the shore and King PC already very shaky on its throne of ruling the world's personal computing domain.
don't forget the pace of change in technology (the "delta of change") is also itself changing and becoming faster.
but enough of that here. and again, all best wishes to Msr. Jobs and family.
I never meant to defend the cringing one, but was simply moved off the article topic by knowing we're well past the "very *beginning* of this process" already.
traditional corded PC's (outside of the workplace and serious power users) are in fact in precipitous decline, notebooks have passed their zenith - and any OS that gets you on the net (THE software of the near future), or simply fetches media and other info from (and to) the net (and other cabled and FIOS'ed and cell-towered, satellited, Wi-fied and Wimaxed connections to other clouds) with a minimum of fuss will do for most people's computing needs. even if Apple does it with more dash and panache....
Granted this is off topic anyway and we both agree that Cringley is a bit of a duffus, but I to explain myself better, I would argue that we would have to get "OS agnostic" and "device agnostic" before his prediction is actually true, which is why I said it's "beginning now" and possibly another 10 to 20 years before we get there.
So in my way of looking at it a laptop is still a "PC," and his vision isn't complete until I can use my TV, my bathroom mirror, or my neighbours car to get the same job done, so I can understand why you don't agree with me there.
After being so totally wrong so many times, you'd think that you'd just give up posting your predictions here.
In case you haven't noticed, you are in disagreement with the majority on pretty much all of these statements, yet you frame each and every one of them as something that "everyone knows" or "it's a fact that" etc. I think you must be a (not especially gifted) teenager or something. Most people know how to write better and construct a proper argument before they leave High School.
This one takes the cake though.
It makes me think you are just pretending to be a dimwit for fun, as a sort of forum "character."
Apple's business model is one of the best out there. One of the main reasons being their spectacular margins, yet you are advocating that they swallow some of that margin to produce products in a price range you like?
Apple's design chops are second to none, yet you are suggesting they use inferior materials or cheaper designs so as to produce products that *you* find acceptable and again, in a price range you like.
Apple's customer satisfaction ratings are through the roof, and again, second to none in their end of the business, but you are suggesting that there are so many people out there (like you) that are so dissatisfied that Apple should change everything around again to focus on "what people (in other words just you) really want."
I don't think LOL or even ROFL even begins to cover the reaction to this comment.
These are stunningly dumb ideas. Comically so.
Wrong so many times? I think not.
With regard to design team, it's more of less one person, not a team, you don't know that? WOW.
With regard to iPhone and Adobe, are you of the "it's adobes fault" camp?
Google the subject matter and you will see that Apple indeed fears that Adobe will develop flash based applications. Here is one of many articles. It has nothing to do with Adobe delays.
Man you guys are naive. Post a topic on Apple forums why there is no flash on the iphone and you'll get numerous finger pointing at ADOBE, reply with Adobe says APPLE is hindering them due to fear of applications, flashed based, and the post will get deleted. Hmmm, why is that?
Secondly, how do you defend that when the Macbook could run Motion and barefeats.com reported that the GPU was fine for OpenGL that Apple turned around a few months later and released a new GPU that brought GPU benchmarks from 171% down to <70%? How do you defend this? It didn't affect ANYONE else except the PRO user as you couldn't play games on it.
Releasing this slow GPU was to STOP PRO users from using the macbook for PRO applications, so yeah, I have a beef with Apple going out of their way to cripple the machine for PRO users when it was the PRO that made them who they are. Now Apple is a consumer electronics company catering more to barking dogs and learning how to send emails in ONE TO ONE training vs teaching MOTION and FINAL cut, which Apple used to do when ONE TO ONE was part of PRO CARE. Now you would be hard pressed to find an Apple 1 to 1 trainer that has a clue about SHAKE, LOGIC, MOTION, as most learn iLife.
Apple did the same thing with the new Macbook. While the GPU is plenty fast for Motion and other PRO App's, they made sure that by removing FIREWIRE, any pro user with a camcorder was SOL. Not to mention the thousands of musicians that have firewire audio interfaces.
You also say I'm wrong all the time? Why is it most think that Steve is just stepping down for a little while when I said he was sick and not coming back. Now it appears that this is true and it is. He is NOT coming back and while most of the dumb dumbs here might think new products may be a result of Apple tech. crew NOW, most of these products have been ready to go BEFORE macworld but as Steve got sicker, they devised this plan.
Trust me, you have no idea what you're talking about. About a year ago, I posted how Apple's back of house has virus protection and was hammered here by everyone telling me that it wasn't true, so, I emailed Kasper some of the images that I had (I worked for Apple) of screen shots that I took from their back of house computers, then everyone changed their tune to "you shouldn't be telling secrets if you work for them" - so I have a problem with people singing one tune one day, then singing another tune the next day.
I look for the truth and despise anyone that sputters FUD as Apple did with their commecials and how their products don't need virust protection or how Apple goes out of their way to cripple a machine that affects less than 1% of their market base (Pro User). Sorry fanboy, but while I like Apple products, I will not stand idle and let the fanboyz think Jobs can do no wrong.
You say Apple has a great business model? Really? Did you watch the iMac retro video where Steve says, he visions the iMac in every home? Where every user can get online effortlessly? How did that go? Not well. They were overpriced and the only place the iMac ended up were in offices in Los Angeles, New York and education, hardly any home users had an imac. It wasn't until Apple switched to Intel, dropped the price, that they saw any growth at all. A far cry from what Jobs envisioned. Compared to PC's, they are still a small percentage compared to PC users. Sure they have a decent business model, but there are many companies that are doing better and most markets predict that everything Apple sells now, have hit a wall and sales will fall flat, especially with iPhones as millions of users have contracts expiring in several months.
With regard to predictions, I have always been right - sure my presentation might erk some, but I don't care. When you read a book about marketing and it names the top 10 things to look for in a bad boss and Jobs had all 10, I couldn't help but start posting around these forums.
Combine that with Job's paranoia (see Keynote with uni body) where Steve's meds must have been working overdrive as he told everyone "times up, pass it along, you can look at it later" have you ever seen someone so paranoid!!!
Yeah, Steves just relaxing... a huh.
And for those that think privacy is key, not so when it comes to Apple, Jobs is the face of Apple and if he is misleading the SEC (which he is), Apple is in for a world of hurt. Just a matter of time before all this comes to light.
In the meantime, good for you that you see Apple as "do no wrong" - good for you, I'm sure Apple loves to take your money.
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I think you're wrong there. Stock prices rarely reflect what is, but rather reflect expectations of what will be.
With Jobs gone the expectation at best would be 'let's hope it continues as is' but more likely people will be hesitant assuming that without Jobs' input new ideas will become rarer and not as spot on and Apple will slowly lose its edge. With that expectation stock prices will dive - regardless of current fundamentals.
Oh I certainly do have Apple future performance in mind. As one example, Amazon is currently trading at something like 40x P/E, Apple at 10x P/E (and Amazon doesn't have Apple's huge deferred income or cash stack).
Investors will have to ask themselves: is Jeff Bezos worth 4X Tim Cook and the rest of the Apple team? What happens when Apple release a Kindle killer (one that doesn't look/feel bad and has a touch screen instead of the useless keyboard)? What happens when iPhone 3 is released this summer for $99 and with a major upgrade of the iPhone OS X and is a big hit? A super sexy iTablet priced like a netbook?
You do realize that without Jobs killing stuff, Apple is likely to release more rather than fewer products?
IMO, the most likely reason Apple is keeping mum is the most obvious one -- no one knows exactly what's wrong with Jobs including his doctors, and Jobs has absolutely vetoed the publication of daily medical bulletins -- and who could blame him.
Of course they don't know; there's uncertainly in any medical procedure. Nobody expects Apple to issue daily updates on Jobs' health, but the whole "Steve Jobs' health is a private issue and is not open for discussion" is nothing more than Apple trying to control this situation the best they can, and it's very surprising how many people bought into that angle (or maybe it's not that surprising)
If you don't like the way Cringely reported this info, then how would *you* have reported it? If you don't think he should have reported it, then I don't think you understand the situation very well.
Leave him be.
You should do a "Leave Britney alone!" video about Steve Jobs.
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
(I always forget if that is a guy or a girl)Let's stick to rumors on Apple and not an individual's personal health matters. This should not AI's type of reporting.
I beg to differ on this. Apple is not the same company as it is when Steve is at the helm. He is likely the only CEO that is so tied to his company that he appears to be the company. I would like to think that Apple would be just fine without him but hey what has apple done in his absence? New products are none. Snow Leopard is still not released. And what about the leaks. A photo of an employee working at Apple. A video of the supposed new mac mini? These things would not happen under SJs' watch. At least they have not made anything dumb like a toaster. Like most here I pray for the recovery of SJ if only for the sake of our blessed ipods, iphones, macs and such. The day he passes away, tomorrow or years from now will be a black day for Apple, computers and innovation. :-(
If you don't like the way Cringely reported this info, then how would *you* have reported it? If you don't think he should have reported it, then I don't think you understand the situation very well.
I would have waited until I had something more to report than Steve Jobs' change in iChat habits, which *in and of itself* tells us nothing. If Cringely or any other journalist hears from two trusted, independent sources, known to be in a position to know and without axes to grind, that Jobs is gravely ill, or not expected to ever return to Apple, or has finally been diagnosed or..., then by all means I would report it, with a big fat headline. But Cringely has *NOTHING* -- the iChat business may be as simple as Mrs. Jobs telling Steve to cut it out for the full six months.
Note, I know less than nothing -- Jobs may be on his deathbed or on the road to a full recovery and 20 more years as Apple CEO, or somewhere in between. But in actual fact, that's exactly how much Cringely knows too, based on his article.
Until someone prints an article about Steve Jobs' actual health, based on facts, not speculation, they should stop gossiping if they value their reputation. I *like* Cringely. I am a long time, regular reader. I don't mind when he prints fanciful stuff. But when he is predicting that IBMs stock is going to tank as he did, incorrectly, over the last couple of years, at least he is speculating about an inanimate object. Steve Jobs is a real live human and deserves more substantial reporting.
...the book, published in 1996, in which Cringely predicted PCs would be "obsolete" by the year 2000 and "only software would survive."
Which is why I stopped reading Cringely years ago. He's usually entertaining but almost never right about anything, and this latest story changes nothing. Well, except that it's not even entertaining.
Life's too short to pay attention to this stuff.
You know, I just want to say your attack on Cringely is kinda fucked up. The man has been in the game for a lot long than any of us, and even had a relationship with Jobs and Apple when it was still a garage operation. I understand the need for objectivity, but this is a little over the top. Btw, his Triumph of The Nerds is an amazing doc so show some respect.
If Cringlely was really a friend of Jobs, he should have kept this to himself. In any case, I guess he's off Jobs' buddy list now.
I hope Papa Steve is somewhere in the Caribbean, learning to kiteboard, or something. Better yet, deeply focused on getting the tablet finished.
Regarding if AI should run this. I think they should - it's something that's out there and affecting Apple. However, AI could have put a different spin on it, showing their disproval.
Best,
Daniel
Stop this rumor-mongering. Unless there is bonafide fact to support anything about Jobs, you're contributing to the "let's pull a rumor out of my a** and see who jumps" mentality.
As far as I'm concerned, Jobs is taking a seriously long overdue sabbatical. People here somehow expect Jobs to be in front of a computer during every waking moment?
Take this article down!
Reminds me of Facebook friends, and an article that I read awhile back that stated if a person will not lend you money, then they are not really a friend.
If not being online is a crime for people involved in the computer industry, especially those at the top, maybe everyone should be forced to use Twitter at the expense of the corporation and it should be regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission to constantly make presence known to shareholder. I can only begin to imagine the human rights issues if such an idea seriously was considered.
AppleInsider is free to publish this, but should have been more op-ed in this piece making statements about Cringley and his ancestry (ie. son of a bitch.)
The man is on his death bed, so forgive him if he doesn't have time to chat.
What happened to all the "we'' see him in June" people?
I think the select few of us, while wishing Jobs well, knew that he was indeed, sick or not feeling well.
The rumor sites had all these predictions for Macworld, normally, they would be off by a few things, this time, they were ALL off 100%, this means, Apple at the last minute, pulled the product, took Steve out of the loop, and will plan to release new products between now and then showing the people they don't need Jobs. Truth of the matter though is that this was by design and by Jobs himself. I'm sure we still have those predictions threads bookmarked, but anyone that thought otherwise, (that Jobs was okay), has no clue.
Hope he gets well - but you have to wonder, a lot of products need refresh. The iPhone needs flash and while Apple blames Adobe, further research shows that Apple is hampering Adobe as they fear the introduction of Adobe applications. At the same time, the iPhone has millions of users about to turn two years old on their contracts (June) and many newer phones will have FLASH and TETHERING - additionally, there is no sub mid range head machine. The mini looks like it will have firewire but will it have dedicated GPU, if so, will it be crippled by slower CPU?
Not sure about everyone here but in some respect, if and when Jobs steps down for good, I think the marketing department will have more headway and won't be afraid of introducing products that the people want instead of releasing products that are crippled (macbook, newer GPU, no firewire), and start releasing products that get the job done without having to spends a few thousand dollars in order to get a $3.00 part.
... I think the select few of us, while wishing Jobs well, knew that he was indeed, sick or not feeling well. ... they were ALL off 100%, this means, Apple at the last minute, pulled the product, took Steve out of the loop, and will plan to release new products ... Truth of the matter though is that this was by design and by Jobs himself. ... anyone that thought otherwise, (that Jobs was okay), has no clue. ... The iPhone needs flash and while Apple blames Adobe, further research shows that Apple is hampering Adobe as they fear the introduction of Adobe applications. ... additionally, there is no sub mid range head machine. ...
In case you haven't noticed, you are in disagreement with the majority on pretty much all of these statements, yet you frame each and every one of them as something that "everyone knows" or "it's a fact that" etc. I think you must be a (not especially gifted) teenager or something. Most people know how to write better and construct a proper argument before they leave High School.
This one takes the cake though.
It makes me think you are just pretending to be a dimwit for fun, as a sort of forum "character."
... if and when Jobs steps down for good, I think the marketing department will have more headway and won't be afraid of introducing products that the people want instead of releasing products that are crippled (macbook, newer GPU, no firewire), and start releasing products that get the job done without having to spends a few thousand dollars in order to get a $3.00 part. ...
Apple's business model is one of the best out there. One of the main reasons being their spectacular margins, yet you are advocating that they swallow some of that margin to produce products in a price range you like?
Apple's design chops are second to none, yet you are suggesting they use inferior materials or cheaper designs so as to produce products that *you* find acceptable and again, in a price range you like.
Apple's customer satisfaction ratings are through the roof, and again, second to none in their end of the business, but you are suggesting that there are so many people out there (like you) that are so dissatisfied that Apple should change everything around again to focus on "what people (in other words just you) really want."
I don't think LOL or even ROFL even begins to cover the reaction to this comment.
These are stunningly dumb ideas. Comically so.
Then again, I don't have the rep of a storm crow to live up to!
He said "obsolete" so he is off by more than a decade, since the decade has all but passed already and we are actually at the very *beginning* of this process. The PC industry lives on hype and unbridled Futurism true, but Cringley was still wrong, and by at least two decades, possibly three.
Since when he said that it was the 90's, this means he was off by something like a factor of four to six. Something taking four to six times longer than your prediction, is pretty bad by any standard.
I never meant to defend the cringing one, but was simply moved off the article topic by knowing we're well past the "very *beginning* of this process" already.
traditional corded PC's (outside of the workplace and serious power users) are in fact in precipitous decline, notebooks have passed their zenith - and any OS that gets you on the net (THE software of the near future), or simply fetches media and other info from (and to) the net (and other cabled and FIOS'ed and cell-towered, satellited, Wi-fied and Wimaxed connections to other clouds) with a minimum of fuss will do for most people's computing needs. even if Apple does it with more dash and panache.
today.
expect new metrics (though many close to this may already exist) about the mind and market share of all digital devices (PC's, luggables, briefcaseables, pocketables, media servers, DVR's, cameras, picture frames, dialables, txtables, Skypeables, GPS's and many more to come) with which people receive, create, modify, save and transmit bits - and anyone will be able see how far this revolution's already come.
so my difference with you is that I estimate we're more approaching the end of this beginning and the tide has already shifted perceptibly, the big waves already starting to crash on the shore and King PC already very shaky on its throne of ruling the world's personal computing domain.
don't forget the pace of change in technology (the "delta of change") is also itself changing and becoming faster.
but enough of that here. and again, all best wishes to Msr. Jobs and family.
You should do a "Leave Britney alone!" video about Steve Jobs.
LOL. No doubt it'll be huge.
AI must be on to something here.
I never meant to defend the cringing one, but was simply moved off the article topic by knowing we're well past the "very *beginning* of this process" already.
traditional corded PC's (outside of the workplace and serious power users) are in fact in precipitous decline, notebooks have passed their zenith - and any OS that gets you on the net (THE software of the near future), or simply fetches media and other info from (and to) the net (and other cabled and FIOS'ed and cell-towered, satellited, Wi-fied and Wimaxed connections to other clouds) with a minimum of fuss will do for most people's computing needs. even if Apple does it with more dash and panache....
Granted this is off topic anyway and we both agree that Cringley is a bit of a duffus, but I to explain myself better, I would argue that we would have to get "OS agnostic" and "device agnostic" before his prediction is actually true, which is why I said it's "beginning now" and possibly another 10 to 20 years before we get there.
So in my way of looking at it a laptop is still a "PC," and his vision isn't complete until I can use my TV, my bathroom mirror, or my neighbours car to get the same job done, so I can understand why you don't agree with me there.
Take down this article, it's too upsetting to me!
LEAVE
STEVE JOBS
ALONE!!!!![/CENTER]
After being so totally wrong so many times, you'd think that you'd just give up posting your predictions here.
In case you haven't noticed, you are in disagreement with the majority on pretty much all of these statements, yet you frame each and every one of them as something that "everyone knows" or "it's a fact that" etc. I think you must be a (not especially gifted) teenager or something. Most people know how to write better and construct a proper argument before they leave High School.
This one takes the cake though.
It makes me think you are just pretending to be a dimwit for fun, as a sort of forum "character."
Apple's business model is one of the best out there. One of the main reasons being their spectacular margins, yet you are advocating that they swallow some of that margin to produce products in a price range you like?
Apple's design chops are second to none, yet you are suggesting they use inferior materials or cheaper designs so as to produce products that *you* find acceptable and again, in a price range you like.
Apple's customer satisfaction ratings are through the roof, and again, second to none in their end of the business, but you are suggesting that there are so many people out there (like you) that are so dissatisfied that Apple should change everything around again to focus on "what people (in other words just you) really want."
I don't think LOL or even ROFL even begins to cover the reaction to this comment.
These are stunningly dumb ideas. Comically so.
Wrong so many times? I think not.
With regard to design team, it's more of less one person, not a team, you don't know that? WOW.
With regard to iPhone and Adobe, are you of the "it's adobes fault" camp?
Google the subject matter and you will see that Apple indeed fears that Adobe will develop flash based applications. Here is one of many articles. It has nothing to do with Adobe delays.
Man you guys are naive. Post a topic on Apple forums why there is no flash on the iphone and you'll get numerous finger pointing at ADOBE, reply with Adobe says APPLE is hindering them due to fear of applications, flashed based, and the post will get deleted. Hmmm, why is that?
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/1...-flash-on.html
Secondly, how do you defend that when the Macbook could run Motion and barefeats.com reported that the GPU was fine for OpenGL that Apple turned around a few months later and released a new GPU that brought GPU benchmarks from 171% down to <70%? How do you defend this? It didn't affect ANYONE else except the PRO user as you couldn't play games on it.
Releasing this slow GPU was to STOP PRO users from using the macbook for PRO applications, so yeah, I have a beef with Apple going out of their way to cripple the machine for PRO users when it was the PRO that made them who they are. Now Apple is a consumer electronics company catering more to barking dogs and learning how to send emails in ONE TO ONE training vs teaching MOTION and FINAL cut, which Apple used to do when ONE TO ONE was part of PRO CARE. Now you would be hard pressed to find an Apple 1 to 1 trainer that has a clue about SHAKE, LOGIC, MOTION, as most learn iLife.
Apple did the same thing with the new Macbook. While the GPU is plenty fast for Motion and other PRO App's, they made sure that by removing FIREWIRE, any pro user with a camcorder was SOL. Not to mention the thousands of musicians that have firewire audio interfaces.
You also say I'm wrong all the time? Why is it most think that Steve is just stepping down for a little while when I said he was sick and not coming back. Now it appears that this is true and it is. He is NOT coming back and while most of the dumb dumbs here might think new products may be a result of Apple tech. crew NOW, most of these products have been ready to go BEFORE macworld but as Steve got sicker, they devised this plan.
Trust me, you have no idea what you're talking about. About a year ago, I posted how Apple's back of house has virus protection and was hammered here by everyone telling me that it wasn't true, so, I emailed Kasper some of the images that I had (I worked for Apple) of screen shots that I took from their back of house computers, then everyone changed their tune to "you shouldn't be telling secrets if you work for them" - so I have a problem with people singing one tune one day, then singing another tune the next day.
I look for the truth and despise anyone that sputters FUD as Apple did with their commecials and how their products don't need virust protection or how Apple goes out of their way to cripple a machine that affects less than 1% of their market base (Pro User). Sorry fanboy, but while I like Apple products, I will not stand idle and let the fanboyz think Jobs can do no wrong.
You say Apple has a great business model? Really? Did you watch the iMac retro video where Steve says, he visions the iMac in every home? Where every user can get online effortlessly? How did that go? Not well. They were overpriced and the only place the iMac ended up were in offices in Los Angeles, New York and education, hardly any home users had an imac. It wasn't until Apple switched to Intel, dropped the price, that they saw any growth at all. A far cry from what Jobs envisioned. Compared to PC's, they are still a small percentage compared to PC users. Sure they have a decent business model, but there are many companies that are doing better and most markets predict that everything Apple sells now, have hit a wall and sales will fall flat, especially with iPhones as millions of users have contracts expiring in several months.
With regard to predictions, I have always been right - sure my presentation might erk some, but I don't care. When you read a book about marketing and it names the top 10 things to look for in a bad boss and Jobs had all 10, I couldn't help but start posting around these forums.
Combine that with Job's paranoia (see Keynote with uni body) where Steve's meds must have been working overdrive as he told everyone "times up, pass it along, you can look at it later" have you ever seen someone so paranoid!!!
Yeah, Steves just relaxing... a huh.
And for those that think privacy is key, not so when it comes to Apple, Jobs is the face of Apple and if he is misleading the SEC (which he is), Apple is in for a world of hurt. Just a matter of time before all this comes to light.
In the meantime, good for you that you see Apple as "do no wrong" - good for you, I'm sure Apple loves to take your money.