Thirdly, I note that the comparisons done today were only for Wifi and app load times - what is conspicuously missing are the 3g/EDGE tests of page loads and email and such. Since the 3gs is currently crippled by ATT's inferior network, in real world tests (such as the recent one at cnet), the pre actually outperforms the iphone in communication speed in many real world applications.
And what you can't measure easily is the fun and gain in usability that multi-tasking on the pre gives you. Battery life aside, multi tasking also has realworld usefulness, and going back to the modular approach of the iphone can feel like going backwards in functionality.
But I admit, the 3gs is a fine phone, and the apps are smoooth, and the slightly bigger screen is nice, despite the relativly clunky size it gives the iphone.
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A good balanced approach.
I do think that wifi would be the most fair comparison. It makes it phone v. phone, a hardware test, and taking out the x factor of the carrier. Sprint outperforming ATT seems to be a different issue.
It is subjective to talk about the fun and usability in multitasking. But nobody has really said that multitasking doesn't have real world usefulness. And to take the battery life out of the equation is taking out a pretty important consideration. It's a bit of a stretch.
And I haven't really heard a lot of complaints about the iphone being clunky. Kinda sounded like a backhanded swipe. Maybe if you prefer the shorter and thicker size of the pre to the longer and thinner iphone...but that's just a matter of preference.
It?s been stated on these forums several times (and probably elsewhere) that Apple?s focus on games means that they are only interested in a making a toy, not a serious device. Also, something about the App Store being dominated by games. Silly comments.
Yeah, it's a theme in the tech site comments and elsewhere that works the old "Apple makes shiny toys for stupid people" meme, which never seems to really die no matter how much reality moves on.
Apparently all those apps aren't really anything to be impressed by, because most of them are fart apps or games and the iPhone is one big playpen for trendy teens 'n posers.
When you're ready to get "real work done" you'll of course reach for a WinMo, eh, Blackberry, eh, Android, eh, Pre!
I'm actually very interested in the psychology of "easy to use" equals "not serious." It's been a hallmark of anti-Apple sentiment since before I can remember. There was also a corollary notion, that "caring about the fit, finish and look of the user experience" equaled "vapid and shallow", but that has receded as MS and other have taken to tricking out their efforts with bling.
Back in Windows 3 days, it was taken as a truism that real computer users welcomed eye searingly ugly as proof that no valuable resources were being wasted on design.
Of course, back in those days "lot of game titles available" was also evidence of a superior platform, so I guess consistency isn't the long suit of the inveterate Apple basher.
Preciously speaking, Palm presumed that if they made a preemptive presence before the preliminary 2009 iPhone preamble they would have a pretty precious lead, but they pre-released the Pre before it was a real predator which prevented the Pre from prevailing despite Palm?s McNamee presumptuous preaching of the iPhone?s predoom and the Pre?s preeminence.
Preciously speaking, Palm presumed that if they made a preemptive presence before the preliminary 2009 iPhone preamble they would have a pretty precious lead, but they pre-released the Pre before it was a real predator which prevented the Pre from prevailing despite Palm?s McNamee presumptuous preaching of the iPhone?s predoom and the Pre?s preeminence.
Preciously speaking, Palm presumed that if they made a preemptive presence before the preliminary 2009 iPhone preamble they would have a pretty precious lead, but they pre-released the Pre before it was a real predator which prevented the Pre from prevailing despite Palm?s McNamee presumptuous preaching of the iPhone?s predoom and the Pre?s preeminence.
I enjoyed peaking at your bookmarks and trying to figure out what some of them are. You still use LiveJournal? As for your Google search, were you looking up the movie Rom-Com?
... The hype and media attention was good for Palm so far, but when the quarterly results come out, they may kill Palm. I mean, my feeling is that the investor expectations are set too high. I still think that the only option for Palm to stay in the game is takeover from a deep-pocket company.
When Palm's quarterly results come out on June 25th, it will be for their quarter ending May 31st (or so), so there will most likely be no Pre sales included in the numbers. So it will definitely be dismal, but that is what's expected. So Palm could have a reprieve for one more quarter, and hopefully by Sept, they'll have announced or released a second phone.
But they could surprise next week by giving some insight into how the Pre is selling on the conference call, but given that Apple is likely to announce a 3G S sales milestone before then, anything Palm says will look very very small.
When Palm's quarterly results come out on June 25th, it will be for their quarter ending May 31st (or so), so there will most likely be no Pre sales included in the numbers.
It went on sale June 5th with the full release on the 6th. They?ll play up that people were expecting the Pre, which is true for those waiting for a new Palm device. I wish them and their shareholder luck.
If you want to get caught up in the "which phone/service is better" then the ONLY competitor is the Crackberry (aka Blackberry from RIM).
8.7M sold in the last quarter.
Big number.
Better than the iPhone.
Android and Prē, not so much.
For marketshare, yes, but from a device that directly competes with the iPhone the Pre has been the closest competitor so far. It also has the best chance of competing directly in the future, at least at this time.
Apple doesn?t seem to care about marketshare if it means lowering margins, though despite RiM?s BOGO this last quarter which appears to have attributed greatly to their numbers they have still kept their margins at or higher than the iPhone and other smartphones. My fear for RiM as a company is not with their ability to sell more and more handsets each quarter but their ability to keep selling their expensive BES with expensive licensing for each device connected, which is their real money maker.
More importantly to me... If you want to multitask; you go Pre. You want games; you go iPhone.
Well seeing as many people aren't willing to switch to Sprint for this so called 3rd part multitasking on a small screen, I say most people don't really give a damn. Apple has sold 40 million plus devices without 3rd party multitasking so it's not as big a deal as most of you want us to believe.
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Thirdly, I note that the comparisons done today were only for Wifi and app load times - what is conspicuously missing are the 3g/EDGE tests of page loads and email and such. Since the 3gs is currently crippled by ATT's inferior network, in real world tests (such as the recent one at cnet), the pre actually outperforms the iphone in communication speed in many real world applications.
And what you can't measure easily is the fun and gain in usability that multi-tasking on the pre gives you. Battery life aside, multi tasking also has realworld usefulness, and going back to the modular approach of the iphone can feel like going backwards in functionality.
But I admit, the 3gs is a fine phone, and the apps are smoooth, and the slightly bigger screen is nice, despite the relativly clunky size it gives the iphone.
.
A good balanced approach.
I do think that wifi would be the most fair comparison. It makes it phone v. phone, a hardware test, and taking out the x factor of the carrier. Sprint outperforming ATT seems to be a different issue.
It is subjective to talk about the fun and usability in multitasking. But nobody has really said that multitasking doesn't have real world usefulness. And to take the battery life out of the equation is taking out a pretty important consideration. It's a bit of a stretch.
And I haven't really heard a lot of complaints about the iphone being clunky. Kinda sounded like a backhanded swipe. Maybe if you prefer the shorter and thicker size of the pre to the longer and thinner iphone...but that's just a matter of preference.
I always thought Pre was Palm's version of Wii. A non-word easy to trademark that can only be associated with Palm's new phone.
Probably right. I assumed it was an acronym.
pretty reasonable effort
product of recent employes
predictable release ennui
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I don't want to take away from your comment, as I think it's a true statement, but I am really curious about what everybody wants to multitask.
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How many other things can you do at the same time on a phone?
Build that app you're working on while checking your email? Oh, right, Xcode doesn't run on the iPhone, yet.
Seriously though, I think the ability to securely share data/files between apps would be more useful than multitasking user processes.
It?s been stated on these forums several times (and probably elsewhere) that Apple?s focus on games means that they are only interested in a making a toy, not a serious device. Also, something about the App Store being dominated by games. Silly comments.
Yeah, it's a theme in the tech site comments and elsewhere that works the old "Apple makes shiny toys for stupid people" meme, which never seems to really die no matter how much reality moves on.
Apparently all those apps aren't really anything to be impressed by, because most of them are fart apps or games and the iPhone is one big playpen for trendy teens 'n posers.
When you're ready to get "real work done" you'll of course reach for a WinMo, eh, Blackberry, eh, Android, eh, Pre!
I'm actually very interested in the psychology of "easy to use" equals "not serious." It's been a hallmark of anti-Apple sentiment since before I can remember. There was also a corollary notion, that "caring about the fit, finish and look of the user experience" equaled "vapid and shallow", but that has receded as MS and other have taken to tricking out their efforts with bling.
Back in Windows 3 days, it was taken as a truism that real computer users welcomed eye searingly ugly as proof that no valuable resources were being wasted on design.
Of course, back in those days "lot of game titles available" was also evidence of a superior platform, so I guess consistency isn't the long suit of the inveterate Apple basher.
Preciously speaking, Palm presumed that if they made a preemptive presence before the preliminary 2009 iPhone preamble they would have a pretty precious lead, but they pre-released the Pre before it was a real predator which prevented the Pre from prevailing despite Palm?s McNamee presumptuous preaching of the iPhone?s predoom and the Pre?s preeminence.
Why you preening prevaricator!
Probably right. I assumed it was an acronym.
pretty reasonable effort
product of recent employes
predictable release ennui
...
Nice!
Palm's Return, Evidently
Probably Eclipsed, Eventually
Preciously speaking, Palm presumed that if they made a preemptive presence before the preliminary 2009 iPhone preamble they would have a pretty precious lead, but they pre-released the Pre before it was a real predator which prevented the Pre from prevailing despite Palm?s McNamee presumptuous preaching of the iPhone?s predoom and the Pre?s preeminence.
Premendous!
Preciously speaking, Palm presumed that if they made a preemptive presence before the preliminary 2009 iPhone preamble they would have a pretty precious lead, but they pre-released the Pre before it was a real predator which prevented the Pre from prevailing despite Palm?s McNamee presumptuous preaching of the iPhone?s predoom and the Pre?s preeminence.
well done.
On another note, I found it amusing how hard the pre is being advertised on appleinsider
And kind of ironic which headline the Sprint logo seems to be pointing at.
http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-v...wser-head-head
On another note, I found it amusing how hard the pre is being advertised on appleinsider
image: http://gallery.me.com/cshort/100180/...12454644160001
I enjoyed peaking at your bookmarks and trying to figure out what some of them are. You still use LiveJournal? As for your Google search, were you looking up the movie Rom-Com?
... The hype and media attention was good for Palm so far, but when the quarterly results come out, they may kill Palm. I mean, my feeling is that the investor expectations are set too high. I still think that the only option for Palm to stay in the game is takeover from a deep-pocket company.
When Palm's quarterly results come out on June 25th, it will be for their quarter ending May 31st (or so), so there will most likely be no Pre sales included in the numbers. So it will definitely be dismal, but that is what's expected. So Palm could have a reprieve for one more quarter, and hopefully by Sept, they'll have announced or released a second phone.
But they could surprise next week by giving some insight into how the Pre is selling on the conference call, but given that Apple is likely to announce a 3G S sales milestone before then, anything Palm says will look very very small.
iPhone still can't Multi-Task but overall it's a decent phone too.
http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-v...wser-head-head
I do agree with that bloggers? preference for sliding cards. I wish Safari would allow that option.
8.7M sold in the last quarter.
Big number.
Better than the iPhone.
Android and Prē, not so much.
When Palm's quarterly results come out on June 25th, it will be for their quarter ending May 31st (or so), so there will most likely be no Pre sales included in the numbers.
It went on sale June 5th with the full release on the 6th. They?ll play up that people were expecting the Pre, which is true for those waiting for a new Palm device. I wish them and their shareholder luck.
If you want to get caught up in the "which phone/service is better" then the ONLY competitor is the Crackberry (aka Blackberry from RIM).
8.7M sold in the last quarter.
Big number.
Better than the iPhone.
Android and Prē, not so much.
For marketshare, yes, but from a device that directly competes with the iPhone the Pre has been the closest competitor so far. It also has the best chance of competing directly in the future, at least at this time.
Apple doesn?t seem to care about marketshare if it means lowering margins, though despite RiM?s BOGO this last quarter which appears to have attributed greatly to their numbers they have still kept their margins at or higher than the iPhone and other smartphones. My fear for RiM as a company is not with their ability to sell more and more handsets each quarter but their ability to keep selling their expensive BES with expensive licensing for each device connected, which is their real money maker.
the Pre has been the closest competitor
It is Prē and not Pre.
More importantly to me... If you want to multitask; you go Pre. You want games; you go iPhone.
Well seeing as many people aren't willing to switch to Sprint for this so called 3rd part multitasking on a small screen, I say most people don't really give a damn. Apple has sold 40 million plus devices without 3rd party multitasking so it's not as big a deal as most of you want us to believe.