edit: oh yeah, webOS/Pre is far superior to iPhoneOS/iPhone on the OS update side: it can update transparently over the air, downloading the updates in the background when the phone isn't busy, that's pretty damn sweet and much less intrusive than Apple's "leave your phone tethered to iTunes for a few hours until the update has been fully downloaded and applied".
While that is pretty nice, it hardly takes a few hours to update an iPhone. it took 15 minutes from the time I clicked on the update button in iTunes until the final reboot of my iPhone - and that included the download of the iPhone OS from Apple (all 240MB of it!). And this was 6PM EST the day it became available.
While it would be cool to see iPhone OS updates done the same way Palm does, Apple's way isn't that bad. One of the nice things iTunes does is an automatic backup of your phone before the update is applied. How does the Pre handle an update gone bad? With the iPhone it just restores from backup if need be.
Can you listen to your music while surfing the web? I'm pretty sure you can, I'm doing it right now.
The iPhone does multitask (somewhat), but only some of Apple's apps.
You are absolutely correct. But I would like look at a wider definition of multitasking. Why do want to multitask? Four reasons come to mind:
1) Easily switch back and forth between multiple 'tasks'
2) Related to that: quickly switch back and forth between multiple 'tasks'
3) Do multiple things in parallel
4) Run background tasks
All these four aspects are to some degree fulfilled by the iPhone already. But the Pre does several of them better. Partly because the Pre allows for unrestricted background processes but partly because it uses a different UI. How do I switch between writing an e-mail and browsing the web? On the Pre it is a flick of the finger on the touchscreen on the iPhone it means going off the touchscreen, pressing a hardware button (which takes considerably more force than the touchscreen) and hitting the touchscreen again. I think this going off the touchscreen mars the 'multitask' experience on the iPhone noticeably. Plus that launching some apps is noticeably slower than switching to them on the Pre (but the 3GS improved that a lot).
Uh, no, it does not truly Multi-Task. Can you run a twitter app, have your email app open and make a call at the same time? No.
How do you define having an e-mail open? I can start writing an e-mail on my iPhone, switch to the phone app, start a call, switch back to the e-mail app and continue writing while I still talk to the person at other end of my call.
And how can you simultaneously type into a twitter client (and read in it) and have an e-mail open at the same time on the Pre? You cannot because the screen is not large enough for it. What you can do is to quickly switch between the two apps, which you can also do with the iPhone, just press the home button and open the other app, it will open exactly where you had left off before.
Over the air updates are more conveninet but it's not necessarily superior. The reason you plug an iPhone in for updates is because the entire OS is replaced instead of simply adding a patch. Replacing the OS would seem a more stable solution than an OTA patch.
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edit: oh yeah, webOS/Pre is far superior to iPhoneOS/iPhone on the OS update side: it can update transparently over the air, downloading the updates in the background when the phone isn't busy, that's pretty damn sweet and much less intrusive than Apple's "leave your phone tethered to iTunes for a few hours until the update has been fully downloaded and applied".
Over the air updates are more conveninet but it's not necessarily superior. The reason you plug an iPhone in for updates is because the entire OS is replaced instead of simply adding a patch. Replacing the OS would seem a more stable solution than an OTA patch.
Not to mention you can kill several birds with one stone while your iPhone is plugged in: updates, media and data sync, and charging.
Unless Palm has figure out how to do OTA power, you're going to have to either plug your Pre in or put it on its inductive charger, close to every day...
Surely someone is working on a charging system that generates electricity out of the earth's magnetic field as you move through it.
They reported $3.42B in sales for 7.8M handsets sold. Broadly, that would imply a revenue of less than $450 per handset. That would be on the low side compared to Apple, no?
In any event, RIMM was down nearly 5% yesterday, after its earnings announcement.
That was my point of the question. RIM is cutting it's margins and with being a phone only company it's going to see even lower margins to try and keep Apple from expanding--it's going to fail.
Apple's entire ecosystem is covered when it comes to the iPhone/iPod lines.
With the next rev of iPhone going Mulit-core it will be even more evident.
Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.
For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>
WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.
Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.
After the good reviews and the raves from iPhone 3Gs customers the Palm Pre apologists were all over the forums and blogs.
Their comments are way too funny.
They're saying (I paraphrase)
-- 50,000 apps? Who cares? I don't NEED apps!
-- video? I carry around my video camera so I don't need video. Easy editing and uploading to internet? like who cares.
-- Pre fragile. Use a HIP HOLSTER (true comment).
"I wrap mine when I go out in bubble warp" (another actual comment I swear!)
-- Pre battery life? Easy, don't use it too often, switch everything like Wifi off!
-- My second one died in less than a week, but that's ok! I got the insurance. (another actual comment)
-- I DON'T play games on the phone so who cares about all those iPhone games.
-- I know about those cracked screens but EVERY iPhone user has a cracked screen before (another actual statement).
-- who cares about tap on focus on the iPhone. My $$$$ Nikon takes better pictures.
-- google maps with magnetometer? Useless! I don't get lost on city streets.
-- Voice control is just a gimmick. Don't need it, what are fingers for?
-- Plastic screens are as durable as glass.
-- I can MULTITASK unlike the iPhone, and I got like 30 apps to choose from! I haven't bought any yet because they're not very interesting but I'm sure in time they will be lots more! of course they have to release the SDK first....
-- I carry my Flip to take video, my Canon SLR for pictures, my PSP for games and my Pre for phone calls. Why the heck do I need an iPhone? All I need is big enough gadget bag and make sure my Pre is wrapped in bubble wrap....
Bought my first iPhone yesterday, stood in line for a quick 15-20 minutes. After 10 years of Sprint I switched to get the iPhone. I looked at the Pre - too small and limited for me. Was interesting, because several people around me were switching carriers also. We all commented how Sprint and T-mobile sounded panicked when we called to get our account number to switch. Sprint kept asking, "Why?" I needed it and telling me they "have an array of great phones." One guy said how T-Mobile did their best to talk him out of it. Another guy who had the BB Storm complained the OS was no good (my manager has one and said it crashed while taking a photo). Another guy kept repeating how Consumer Reports rated the G1 as the best phone, yet he was in line for an iPhone.
People want what they want, and carriers were too busy laughing at the first iPhone instead of trying to match them. Now they're all rushing to compete, but they gave Apple too big of a lead and can't seem to match their ingenuity, innovation, the way they put a new spin on old established technology.
Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
I strongly disagree that 3.0 software speeds up old phones. It clearly made mine much more sluggish. Glad I just picked up the 3GS today Line moved very quickly, took me 30 minutes to get in and out in Clarendon store.
I strongly disagree that 3.0 software speeds up old phones. It clearly made mine much more sluggish. Glad I just picked up the 3GS today Line moved very quickly, took me 30 minutes to get in and out in Clarendon store.
I think you are clearly in a minority. My 3G is faster with 3.0, not earth-shattering but clearly noticeable.
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edit: oh yeah, webOS/Pre is far superior to iPhoneOS/iPhone on the OS update side: it can update transparently over the air, downloading the updates in the background when the phone isn't busy, that's pretty damn sweet and much less intrusive than Apple's "leave your phone tethered to iTunes for a few hours until the update has been fully downloaded and applied".
While that is pretty nice, it hardly takes a few hours to update an iPhone. it took 15 minutes from the time I clicked on the update button in iTunes until the final reboot of my iPhone - and that included the download of the iPhone OS from Apple (all 240MB of it!). And this was 6PM EST the day it became available.
While it would be cool to see iPhone OS updates done the same way Palm does, Apple's way isn't that bad. One of the nice things iTunes does is an automatic backup of your phone before the update is applied. How does the Pre handle an update gone bad? With the iPhone it just restores from backup if need be.
Can you listen to your music while surfing the web? I'm pretty sure you can, I'm doing it right now.
The iPhone does multitask (somewhat), but only some of Apple's apps.
You are absolutely correct. But I would like look at a wider definition of multitasking. Why do want to multitask? Four reasons come to mind:
1) Easily switch back and forth between multiple 'tasks'
2) Related to that: quickly switch back and forth between multiple 'tasks'
3) Do multiple things in parallel
4) Run background tasks
All these four aspects are to some degree fulfilled by the iPhone already. But the Pre does several of them better. Partly because the Pre allows for unrestricted background processes but partly because it uses a different UI. How do I switch between writing an e-mail and browsing the web? On the Pre it is a flick of the finger on the touchscreen on the iPhone it means going off the touchscreen, pressing a hardware button (which takes considerably more force than the touchscreen) and hitting the touchscreen again. I think this going off the touchscreen mars the 'multitask' experience on the iPhone noticeably. Plus that launching some apps is noticeably slower than switching to them on the Pre (but the 3GS improved that a lot).
I can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic.
I am
Uh, no, it does not truly Multi-Task. Can you run a twitter app, have your email app open and make a call at the same time? No.
How do you define having an e-mail open? I can start writing an e-mail on my iPhone, switch to the phone app, start a call, switch back to the e-mail app and continue writing while I still talk to the person at other end of my call.
And how can you simultaneously type into a twitter client (and read in it) and have an e-mail open at the same time on the Pre? You cannot because the screen is not large enough for it. What you can do is to quickly switch between the two apps, which you can also do with the iPhone, just press the home button and open the other app, it will open exactly where you had left off before.
also since 3.0 is out my speed (speedtest iphone app) shows 2100kbsat 830 am this morning that's up from
about 900-1100 sometimes my old speed was better than my cable (1.5k package)
so they must be doing something to speed things up and i'm in a dinky town eastern ky
edit: oh yeah, webOS/Pre is far superior to iPhoneOS/iPhone on the OS update side: it can update transparently over the air, downloading the updates in the background when the phone isn't busy, that's pretty damn sweet and much less intrusive than Apple's "leave your phone tethered to iTunes for a few hours until the update has been fully downloaded and applied".
Over the air updates are more conveninet but it's not necessarily superior. The reason you plug an iPhone in for updates is because the entire OS is replaced instead of simply adding a patch. Replacing the OS would seem a more stable solution than an OTA patch.
Not to mention you can kill several birds with one stone while your iPhone is plugged in: updates, media and data sync, and charging.
Unless Palm has figure out how to do OTA power, you're going to have to either plug your Pre in or put it on its inductive charger, close to every day...
Surely someone is working on a charging system that generates electricity out of the earth's magnetic field as you move through it.
I was playing around with my 3GS last night and this baby screams:
Upload looks slows. Could you run it again, but on 3G?
I had mine up over 10MBs on Wi-Fi and 2.8 on 3G with my 3G Thursday night.
this morning i got 2100 usually i get 900-1200
this increase has been since 3.0 was announced.
They reported $3.42B in sales for 7.8M handsets sold. Broadly, that would imply a revenue of less than $450 per handset. That would be on the low side compared to Apple, no?
In any event, RIMM was down nearly 5% yesterday, after its earnings announcement.
That was my point of the question. RIM is cutting it's margins and with being a phone only company it's going to see even lower margins to try and keep Apple from expanding--it's going to fail.
Apple's entire ecosystem is covered when it comes to the iPhone/iPod lines.
With the next rev of iPhone going Mulit-core it will be even more evident.
<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.
For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>
WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.
>>>>>>>>the full article below >>>>>>>>>
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/app...rsonal-3g.html
Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.
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After the good reviews and the raves from iPhone 3Gs customers the Palm Pre apologists were all over the forums and blogs.
Their comments are way too funny.
They're saying (I paraphrase)
-- 50,000 apps? Who cares? I don't NEED apps!
-- video? I carry around my video camera so I don't need video. Easy editing and uploading to internet? like who cares.
-- Pre fragile. Use a HIP HOLSTER (true comment).
"I wrap mine when I go out in bubble warp" (another actual comment I swear!)
-- Pre battery life? Easy, don't use it too often, switch everything like Wifi off!
-- My second one died in less than a week, but that's ok! I got the insurance. (another actual comment)
-- I DON'T play games on the phone so who cares about all those iPhone games.
-- I know about those cracked screens but EVERY iPhone user has a cracked screen before (another actual statement).
-- who cares about tap on focus on the iPhone. My $$$$ Nikon takes better pictures.
-- google maps with magnetometer? Useless! I don't get lost on city streets.
-- Voice control is just a gimmick. Don't need it, what are fingers for?
-- Plastic screens are as durable as glass.
-- I can MULTITASK unlike the iPhone, and I got like 30 apps to choose from! I haven't bought any yet because they're not very interesting but I'm sure in time they will be lots more! of course they have to release the SDK first....
-- I carry my Flip to take video, my Canon SLR for pictures, my PSP for games and my Pre for phone calls. Why the heck do I need an iPhone? All I need is big enough gadget bag and make sure my Pre is wrapped in bubble wrap....
lol!
From Davewrite on MDN:
That sounds satirical to me.
That sounds satirical to me.
That's probably one more thing Quadra 610 is blind to.
People want what they want, and carriers were too busy laughing at the first iPhone instead of trying to match them. Now they're all rushing to compete, but they gave Apple too big of a lead and can't seem to match their ingenuity, innovation, the way they put a new spin on old established technology.
I have used it quite a bit from her and find it fine but just not that great. Not really worth the price she paid for it.
Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
I strongly disagree that 3.0 software speeds up old phones. It clearly made mine much more sluggish. Glad I just picked up the 3GS today
I strongly disagree that 3.0 software speeds up old phones. It clearly made mine much more sluggish. Glad I just picked up the 3GS today
I think you are clearly in a minority. My 3G is faster with 3.0, not earth-shattering but clearly noticeable.