I feel ill. So many people were so upset, and sprint was stonewalling the whole thing.
There is a poll over at precentral <<what a name huh>> that shows 6 out of 28 PRE's had crack screens. So if they sold 280,000. PRE'S < pronounced pray > that means they may have over 60'000 cracked or cracking screens .AND over the next two weeks maybe tens of thousands more.
This is one of the worst consumer nightmares ever. < I am not grinning right now > .
I can just imagine consumer reports rating on this phone > zero
So the sky looks sunny for the 3g -3gs world. AS word gets out about this fiasco sales, for the 3gs should go even higher. and the re-sale for the 3g should also hold its ground.
I strongly disagree that 3.0 software speeds up old phones. It clearly made mine much more sluggish. Glad I just picked up the 3GS today Line moved very quickly, took me 30 minutes to get in and out in Clarendon store.
I haven't noticed anything slow down, but some have speeded up in various ways. Safari is definitely speedier. A number of others open more quickly.
I am not saying anything bad about the iPhone 3G or 3GS. They are both great phones. But they cannot truly multi-task (yet). I believe that with the new ARM processors coming to both Apple and Palm will spur better invention in the smart phone market and make all of us happier with more productive devices.
But to ridiculously say that the iPhone can Multi-Task (apps running the background) is utterly false.
I feel ill. So many people were so upset, and sprint was stonewalling the whole thing.
There is a poll over at precentral <<what a name huh>> that shows 6 out of 28 PRE's had crack screens. So if they sold 280,000. PRE'S < pronounced pray > that means they may have over 60'000 cracked or cracking screens .AND over the next two weeks maybe tens of thousands more.
This is one of the worst consumer nightmares ever. < I am not grinning right now > .
I can just imagine consumer reports rating on this phone > zero
So the sky looks sunny for the 3g -3gs world. AS word gets out about this fiasco sales, for the 3gs should go even higher. and the re-sale for the 3g should also hold its ground.
Ps sprint is not taking back the cracked phones.
Well Sprint can't be pleased about this, either.
They're relying on a virtually flawless Pre (it has to be) in order to save them.
It?s been stated on these forums several times (and probably elsewhere) that Apple?s focus on games means that they are only interested in a making a toy, not a serious device. Also, something about the App Store being dominated by games. Silly comments.
It seems to me that the focus on games was led by the developers and consumers. This is the free market at work.
He did say something along the lines of; "Every iPhone user will immediately go out and buy a Pre." Almost exactly those words.
He heavily eluded to it, but the quoted text from McNamee dmapoears not have dirmectly said it. He said that no one will be using the iPhone after their contracts are up and then snarmishly and rhetorically asked the interviewer what he thought they would buy next.
Anand updated his reason speed tests to show the speed ups with v3.0 over v2.x. I don't think it was much but their is a slight benefit overall.
There was an interesting anomaly in his statements about the tests.
He states that a good part of the 3Gs speed-up over the 3G is understandable because " this is a new microarchitecture".
He then mentions that the performance of the 3Gs is about that of the Pre, just 11% faster.
But that all SCREWY!
Why? Because that 11% is just for downloading web pages!
However when he gets to that last chart, we can see something much more interesting, which is the speed of opening some apps.
First of all, in the last chart, you notice that for some reason, Palm's name got reversed into white. At first, I couldn't read that it said palm, and wondered what the numbers represented.
Then I got closer and could read it.
Please make sure your window is wide enough to display the columns properly. I don't have the energy to do this as an image.
Application Launch Time in Seconds...Web Browser.......Dialer.......Google Maps......Camera....Email
Apple iPhone 3GS.................................0.7s.......... .........0.7 s............2.7 s.................2.8 s......0.8 s
Apple iPhone 3G...................................0.8s......... ..........1.2s.............3.3 s.................3.9 s......1.2 s
Palm Pre............................................... 3.0 s..................1.5 s............8.6 s.................4.4 s......3.3 s
T-Mobile G.........................................15.4 s..................2.0 s............4.4 s.................4.9 s......2.0 s
iPhone 3GS vs. 3G Perf. Advant...........13%.....................42%...... ........18%..................28%........33%
But what about the performance advantage over the Pre and "G"? It's far better!
And the Pre, at least, shares the same microarchitecture, as he brought up earlier. It may even have a slightly better graphics chip, possibly the 530 vs the 520 for the 3Gs.
So, what gives? Apparently something else is going on here. Is it possibly the crappy way programs are implemented on the Pre?
How about that Android "G"? That really pretty dreadful.
We're talking about anywhere between 200% and 600%
Why didn't he comment on this much more important data that he produced? That odd for him.
Did you read the forbes article ??Its quite good. The link is above ,
Could you please post that link again? Somehow, I can't see it. Forbes mails me a half dozen articles every day, I may have read it already, but I'm not sure which one it is.
What seems missing in this debate is the fact that the Pre cannot do data streams and voice at the same time (without local WiFi) due to network limitations. Many articles reveal this and no one has said otherwise.
If you are talking on the phone with someone and decide to go to a movie, with the Multitasking iPhone you can put them on speakerphone, bring up all the movie listings in your area (using either Safari or an App for movies (true Multitasking)) and read off the show times immediately. With the ?Multitasking? Pre, you cannot. You must hang up and call back after browsing on your Pre.
Also, no Visual Voicemail would be a deal breaker for anyone who?s had it for more than a week.
He heavily eluded to it, but the quoted text from McNamee dmapoears not have dirmectly said it. He said that no one will be using the iPhone after their contracts are up and then snarmishly and rhetorically asked the interviewer what he thought they would buy next.
Well, maybe not exactly those words, but the meaning of those exact words then. I think we all knew what he was saying, as did Palms lawyers, which is why they retracted them.
Quote:
"June 29, 2009, is the two-year anniversary of the first shipment of the iPhone. Not one of those people will still be using an iPhone a month later. Think about it -- if you bought the first iPhone, you bought it because you wanted the coolest product on the market. Your two-year contract has just expired. Look around. Tell me what they're going to buy."
"The Pre going to be a million times -- well, not a million times -- several times faster than the iPhone."
"The Pre is going to run rings around [Apple] on the Web."
Basically, he said what I said, but in a more convoluted way.
Information Weeks article by Eric Zeman, where HE says exactly what I said:
But what about the performance advantage over the Pre and "G"? It's far better!
And the Pre, at least, shares the same microarchitecture, as he brought up earlier. It may even have a slightly better graphics chip, possibly the 530 vs the 520 for the 3Gs.
So, what gives? Apparently something else is going on here. Is it possibly the crappy way programs are implemented on the Pre?
How about that Android "G"? That really pretty dreadful.
We're talking about anywhere between 200% and 600%
Why didn't he comment on this much more important data that he produced? That odd for him.
I would have expected the nature of WebOS to offer a faster system but it seems that they haven't optimized well for the HW. As for The GPU, that is almost pointless of a win in the spec sheet if developers won't be able to utilize it.
These tests are just a taste. Check out his full Pre review that also came out yesterday. A full comparison is coming soon.
I would have expected the nature of WebOS to offer a faster system but it seems that they haven't optimized well for the HW. As for The GPU, that is almost pointless of a win in the spec sheet if developers won't be able to utilize it.
These tests are just a taste. Check out his full Pre review that also came out yesterday. A full comparison is coming soon.
Yeah, I read that, but we do need the side by side. Also the entire 3Gs review first.
Could you please post that link again? Somehow, I can't see it. Forbes mails me a half dozen articles every day, I may have read it already, but I'm not sure which one it is.
it was a whole page back >>>> read below my original post to find the link
about 2 inchs down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.
For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>
WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.
Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.
Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.
For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>
WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.
Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.
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I took a look at that article. Some comments. One, the idea of the iPhone 3G S serving as a control panel for attachments is exciting. Two, iPhone OS 3.0 is more than a "platform". It is an adaptation of Mac OS X, with limitations and enhancements, and the possibilities that adaptation allows. Just two examples: multi-touch gestures leveraged from the iPhone to Mac laptop trackpads, VoiceOver leveraged from Mac OS X to the iPhone 3G S. Fourth, since the iPod Touch also runs on iPhone OS 3.0, it can also can benefit from software leveraging when a hardware refresh occurs in the future. Note: I used the term "leveraging" because I couldn't think of a better term for now.
They're relying on a virtually flawless Pre (it has to be) in order to save them.
This like the titanic sinking
Over at pre-central the topic's about the crack screens are running over 13 pages long each .
Picture UPS sending 100,000 cracked screen pre's baCk to palm central . Piling up with 8 dollar an hour trained repair people avoiding work by twittering how they are avoiding work. While the broken pre's continue to pile up
And the palm guy on top just sits there with his 3gs mumbling about how the hell does hulu not charge for free movies .
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I feel ill. So many people were so upset, and sprint was stonewalling the whole thing.
There is a poll over at precentral <<what a name huh>> that shows 6 out of 28 PRE's had crack screens. So if they sold 280,000. PRE'S < pronounced pray > that means they may have over 60'000 cracked or cracking screens .AND over the next two weeks maybe tens of thousands more.
This is one of the worst consumer nightmares ever. < I am not grinning right now > .
I can just imagine consumer reports rating on this phone > zero
So the sky looks sunny for the 3g -3gs world. AS word gets out about this fiasco sales, for the 3gs should go even higher. and the re-sale for the 3g should also hold its ground.
Ps sprint is not taking back the cracked phones.
I strongly disagree that 3.0 software speeds up old phones. It clearly made mine much more sluggish. Glad I just picked up the 3GS today
I haven't noticed anything slow down, but some have speeded up in various ways. Safari is definitely speedier. A number of others open more quickly.
I am not saying anything bad about the iPhone 3G or 3GS. They are both great phones. But they cannot truly multi-task (yet). I believe that with the new ARM processors coming to both Apple and Palm will spur better invention in the smart phone market and make all of us happier with more productive devices.
But to ridiculously say that the iPhone can Multi-Task (apps running the background) is utterly false.
But you're simply wrong!
I haven't noticed anything slow down, but some have speeded up in various ways. Safari is definitely speedier. A number of others open more quickly.
Anand updated his recent speed tests to show the speed ups with v3.0 over v2.x. I don't think it was much but their is a slight benefit overall.
That's probably one more thing Quadra 610 is blind to.
They're real, alright.
I haven't noticed anything slow down, but some have speeded up in various ways. Safari is definitely speedier. A number of others open more quickly.
Did you read the forbes article ??Its quite good. The link is above ,
Concerning the cracked plastic PRE phones.
I feel ill. So many people were so upset, and sprint was stonewalling the whole thing.
There is a poll over at precentral <<what a name huh>> that shows 6 out of 28 PRE's had crack screens. So if they sold 280,000. PRE'S < pronounced pray > that means they may have over 60'000 cracked or cracking screens .AND over the next two weeks maybe tens of thousands more.
This is one of the worst consumer nightmares ever. < I am not grinning right now > .
I can just imagine consumer reports rating on this phone > zero
So the sky looks sunny for the 3g -3gs world. AS word gets out about this fiasco sales, for the 3gs should go even higher. and the re-sale for the 3g should also hold its ground.
Ps sprint is not taking back the cracked phones.
Well Sprint can't be pleased about this, either.
They're relying on a virtually flawless Pre (it has to be) in order to save them.
It?s been stated on these forums several times (and probably elsewhere) that Apple?s focus on games means that they are only interested in a making a toy, not a serious device. Also, something about the App Store being dominated by games. Silly comments.
It seems to me that the focus on games was led by the developers and consumers. This is the free market at work.
Thompson
He did say something along the lines of; "Every iPhone user will immediately go out and buy a Pre." Almost exactly those words.
He heavily eluded to it, but the quoted text from McNamee dmapoears not have dirmectly said it. He said that no one will be using the iPhone after their contracts are up and then snarmishly and rhetorically asked the interviewer what he thought they would buy next.
Anand updated his reason speed tests to show the speed ups with v3.0 over v2.x. I don't think it was much but their is a slight benefit overall.
There was an interesting anomaly in his statements about the tests.
He states that a good part of the 3Gs speed-up over the 3G is understandable because " this is a new microarchitecture".
He then mentions that the performance of the 3Gs is about that of the Pre, just 11% faster.
But that all SCREWY!
Why? Because that 11% is just for downloading web pages!
However when he gets to that last chart, we can see something much more interesting, which is the speed of opening some apps.
First of all, in the last chart, you notice that for some reason, Palm's name got reversed into white. At first, I couldn't read that it said palm, and wondered what the numbers represented.
Then I got closer and could read it.
Please make sure your window is wide enough to display the columns properly. I don't have the energy to do this as an image.
Application Launch Time in Seconds...Web Browser.......Dialer.......Google Maps......Camera....Email
Apple iPhone 3GS.................................0.7s.......... .........0.7 s............2.7 s.................2.8 s......0.8 s
Apple iPhone 3G...................................0.8s......... ..........1.2s.............3.3 s.................3.9 s......1.2 s
Palm Pre............................................... 3.0 s..................1.5 s............8.6 s.................4.4 s......3.3 s
T-Mobile G.........................................15.4 s..................2.0 s............4.4 s.................4.9 s......2.0 s
iPhone 3GS vs. 3G Perf. Advant...........13%.....................42%...... ........18%..................28%........33%
But what about the performance advantage over the Pre and "G"? It's far better!
And the Pre, at least, shares the same microarchitecture, as he brought up earlier. It may even have a slightly better graphics chip, possibly the 530 vs the 520 for the 3Gs.
So, what gives? Apparently something else is going on here. Is it possibly the crappy way programs are implemented on the Pre?
How about that Android "G"? That really pretty dreadful.
We're talking about anywhere between 200% and 600%
Why didn't he comment on this much more important data that he produced? That odd for him.
Did you read the forbes article ??Its quite good. The link is above ,
Could you please post that link again? Somehow, I can't see it. Forbes mails me a half dozen articles every day, I may have read it already, but I'm not sure which one it is.
With the ?Multitasking? Pre, you cannot. You must hang up and call back after browsing on your Pre.
Really? Thatruins the most obvious use of basic multitasking. That has to be a bug that'll be adressed shortly.
What seems missing in this debate is the fact that the Pre cannot do data streams and voice at the same time (without local WiFi) due to network limitations. Many articles reveal this and no one has said otherwise.
If you are talking on the phone with someone and decide to go to a movie, with the Multitasking iPhone you can put them on speakerphone, bring up all the movie listings in your area (using either Safari or an App for movies (true Multitasking)) and read off the show times immediately. With the ?Multitasking? Pre, you cannot. You must hang up and call back after browsing on your Pre.
Also, no Visual Voicemail would be a deal breaker for anyone who?s had it for more than a week.
Are you serious?
He heavily eluded to it, but the quoted text from McNamee dmapoears not have dirmectly said it. He said that no one will be using the iPhone after their contracts are up and then snarmishly and rhetorically asked the interviewer what he thought they would buy next.
Well, maybe not exactly those words, but the meaning of those exact words then. I think we all knew what he was saying, as did Palms lawyers, which is why they retracted them.
"June 29, 2009, is the two-year anniversary of the first shipment of the iPhone. Not one of those people will still be using an iPhone a month later. Think about it -- if you bought the first iPhone, you bought it because you wanted the coolest product on the market. Your two-year contract has just expired. Look around. Tell me what they're going to buy."
"The Pre going to be a million times -- well, not a million times -- several times faster than the iPhone."
"The Pre is going to run rings around [Apple] on the Web."
Basically, he said what I said, but in a more convoluted way.
Information Weeks article by Eric Zeman, where HE says exactly what I said:
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...RSKHSCJUNN2JVN
Really? Thatruins the most obvious use of basic multitasking. That has to be a bug that'll be adressed shortly.
Gee! What if it's more than just a "bug"?
But what about the performance advantage over the Pre and "G"? It's far better!
And the Pre, at least, shares the same microarchitecture, as he brought up earlier. It may even have a slightly better graphics chip, possibly the 530 vs the 520 for the 3Gs.
So, what gives? Apparently something else is going on here. Is it possibly the crappy way programs are implemented on the Pre?
How about that Android "G"? That really pretty dreadful.
We're talking about anywhere between 200% and 600%
Why didn't he comment on this much more important data that he produced? That odd for him.
I would have expected the nature of WebOS to offer a faster system but it seems that they haven't optimized well for the HW. As for The GPU, that is almost pointless of a win in the spec sheet if developers won't be able to utilize it.
These tests are just a taste. Check out his full Pre review that also came out yesterday. A full comparison is coming soon.
I would have expected the nature of WebOS to offer a faster system but it seems that they haven't optimized well for the HW. As for The GPU, that is almost pointless of a win in the spec sheet if developers won't be able to utilize it.
These tests are just a taste. Check out his full Pre review that also came out yesterday. A full comparison is coming soon.
Yeah, I read that, but we do need the side by side. Also the entire 3Gs review first.
Could you please post that link again? Somehow, I can't see it. Forbes mails me a half dozen articles every day, I may have read it already, but I'm not sure which one it is.
it was a whole page back >>>> read below my original post to find the link
about 2 inchs down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.
For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>
WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.
>>>>>>>>the full article below >>>>>>>>>
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/app...rsonal-3g.html
Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.
peace
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Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.
<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.
For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>
WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.
>>>>>>>>the full article below >>>>>>>>>
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/app...rsonal-3g.html
Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.
peace
9
I took a look at that article. Some comments. One, the idea of the iPhone 3G S serving as a control panel for attachments is exciting. Two, iPhone OS 3.0 is more than a "platform". It is an adaptation of Mac OS X, with limitations and enhancements, and the possibilities that adaptation allows. Just two examples: multi-touch gestures leveraged from the iPhone to Mac laptop trackpads, VoiceOver leveraged from Mac OS X to the iPhone 3G S. Fourth, since the iPod Touch also runs on iPhone OS 3.0, it can also can benefit from software leveraging when a hardware refresh occurs in the future. Note: I used the term "leveraging" because I couldn't think of a better term for now.
Well Sprint can't be pleased about this, either.
They're relying on a virtually flawless Pre (it has to be) in order to save them.
This like the titanic sinking
Over at pre-central the topic's about the crack screens are running over 13 pages long each .
Picture UPS sending 100,000 cracked screen pre's baCk to palm central . Piling up with 8 dollar an hour trained repair people avoiding work by twittering how they are avoiding work. While the broken pre's continue to pile up
And the palm guy on top just sits there with his 3gs mumbling about how the hell does hulu not charge for free movies .
And the band plays on.....
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