And still no word on an offical release date or UK pricing.
The release date for everywhere is still kind of vague. If SL really is GM status, an announcement will be made very soon so people can start pre-ordering.
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Originally Posted by Foo2
It's Apple that should be charging $299 for this easy upgrade to 64-bits and Microsoft that should be charging $29 for theirs.
If you really want to pay that much I can buy it for $169 and sell it to you for $299.
But if one of the components that needs to be fixed gets updated by the 10.6.1 update, don't u still have the broken component? Or in that case would you just need to reapply the update?
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Originally Posted by techno
My thoughts exactly. Often to fix problems we want to revert to an earlier version.
i don't know about you guys but when I have a problem that requires an OS reinstall it's a clean install for me. which means a blank drive. so it's not a worry for me.
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Originally Posted by ltcommander.data
So is Quicktime X going to be Snow Leopard exclusive? And if so, do they intend to continue developing Quicktime 7 in parallel for Tiger, Leopard, and Windows?
they will likely not continue to develop QT 7 just as they froze Tiger at 10.4.11 and are apparently freezing Leopard at 10.5.8
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Originally Posted by ecking
I hope that ability can be toggled off during installation, that's horrible for editors. I'm finishing up a job in FCP6 soon and I was thinking of giving fcp7 a try, imagine when I found a problem and wanted to go back to FCP6 my fcp6 disks were automatically giving me fcp7?
it is my understanding that they are only talking about the OS. not about 3rd party apps
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Originally Posted by vandil
I just want to know if I have to have Leopard installed in order to install Snow Leopard. I tend to like to zero my drive and start from scratch with a new OS. While I own a copy of Leopard, it would be a colossal pain to have to zero, install Leopard, and then upgrade to Snow Leopard...
it sounds like you would have to have Leopard installed. but really is it that much of a pain. particularly if it doesnt matter what version of Leopard you have. you boot from that disk. install. do your setup and migration from the backup you made. then upgrade to snow leopard.
or if you just really one to do it in two steps, spring for the 'tiger' pack which is likely leopard+snowleopard in one.
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron
$169 for current Tiger/Panther users, but that also includes the latest iLife and iWork. That is the only way it?s coming for those so you can save money by buying a cheap copy Leopard and the $29 version of Snow Leopard, assuming you don?t want the latest versions of iLife and iWork.
ilife and iwork 09 didn't work unless you had leopard and are actually major improvements in many cases. and when you break it down you are paying $129 for Leopard, $29 for the Snow Leopard upgrade and then what $11 for ilife and iwork. seems like a smashing good deal to me
The release date for everywhere is still kind of vague. If SL really is GM status, an announcement will be made very soon so people can start pre-ordering.
The release date part was general (It'll be a global release date). I was just saying we don't know either that or the pricing for places like the UK.
Pre-Order on Amazon.com already! I can't wait either!
Hmmmm... yesterday Amazon.ca mentioned it'll be available September 23rd, today they updated it to say "We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock"
My thoughts exactly. Often to fix problems we want to revert to an earlier version.
My guess is that Apple would say you can always restore from a Time Machine backup. I know this isn't the answer some people are looking for, but I have a feeling that would be Apple's response.
This is why it would take the time, solving problems like this!
From my interpretation:
[1] Install 10.6
... sometime in the not too distant future ...
[2] Install 10.6.1 via software update
... sometime later in the not too distant future ...
[3] Reinstall 10.6? system automatically figures out which components to alter/ammend/overwrite to get back to step 2.
But what if:
[3] Install 10.6.2
[4] Install 10.6.3 ... and oh crap, it's broken one of my applications, I want to go back to 10.6.2
Do I:
a) Install 10.6 which will automatically leave me at 10.6.3 according to the article
b) Install 10.6 followed by the 10.6.2 combo updater (assuming it's still available)
c) Just install the 10.6.2 combo updater, skipping the 10.6 installer
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Originally Posted by melgross
It's really no different from before. This is just for convenience when you're doing the upgrade.
As before, when doing a re-install, you just install the combo update afterwards.
But will the combo updaters act just like the 10.6 installer and automatically leave me at the more recent version (will the 10.6.2 updater put me at 10.6.2 or 10.6.3)? Even if they don't, the 10.6.2 combo updater will have no knowledge of any new files (completely new, not just updates of previous versions of files). So even if the 10.6.2 updater leaves you at 10.6.2, you might have orphaned 10.6.3 files which might cause problem.
Ok, ok, I'm sure Apple has thought this through and have considered the possible scenarios. We are all just curious how they are implementing this feature.
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Originally Posted by ecking
I hope that ability can be toggled off during installation, that's horrible for editors. I'm finishing up a job in FCP6 soon and I was thinking of giving fcp7 a try, imagine when I found a problem and wanted to go back to FCP6 my fcp6 disks were automatically giving me fcp7?
We are only talking about OS installs, not application installs. There is no evidence to suggest Apple is doing the same thing for app installers.
These are some nice tweaks. I’m still waiting for QT7 to be an option. There are just too many things that I miss about it that QTX doesn’t do. I still surprised that QTX is considered complete at this point.
I suggest you carefully reread the article. Take your time now.
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Although Rosetta and Quicktime 7 are both included on the Mac OS X 10.6 installation DVD, both are designated as optional installs by default. However, if Mac OS X 10.6 is being installed on a Mac that contains a registration a key for Quicktime 7 Pro, the installer will install Quicktime 7 automatically.
I suggest you carefully reread the article. Take your time now.
What part of my comment confused you? The part where I don’t feel that QTX is complete enough for many people used to QT7 or the part where I clearly stated that my Snow Leopard betas don’t currently contain the optional install for QuickTime 7.
I think it makes most sense to update the GUI when they finally turn on Resolution Independence by default.
I think that 10.7 will remove all the parts of Carbon that make RI tricky (QuickDraw) (or perhaps completely remove Carbon) and have an updated GUI. Expect it to be previewed at the next WWDC and released 18 to 24 months later.
Hopefully, with so much of the old plumbing thrown out and new pipes having been put in, a new sink will be easier to install so that we might not have to wait as long for the water to start running.
(Sorry for the odd metaphor, but I just got out of the bathroom.)
Hopefully, with so much of the old plumbing thrown out and new pipes having been put in, a new sink will be easier to install so that we might not have to wait as long for the water to start running.
(Sorry for the odd metaphor, but I just got out of the bathroom.)
Although, amusingly, the reference at the bottom of the page is labeled "Mac OS X 'Gold Master' Released To Manufacturing' - Apple, Inc. 2001-03-07." So much for Wikipedia as the ultimate authority. Actually, I suspect this article has the title it does to disambiguate it from the the "Gold Master" article listed under See Also.
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And still no word on an offical release date or UK pricing.
The release date for everywhere is still kind of vague. If SL really is GM status, an announcement will be made very soon so people can start pre-ordering.
It's Apple that should be charging $299 for this easy upgrade to 64-bits and Microsoft that should be charging $29 for theirs.
If you really want to pay that much I can buy it for $169 and sell it to you for $299.
But if one of the components that needs to be fixed gets updated by the 10.6.1 update, don't u still have the broken component? Or in that case would you just need to reapply the update?
My thoughts exactly. Often to fix problems we want to revert to an earlier version.
i don't know about you guys but when I have a problem that requires an OS reinstall it's a clean install for me. which means a blank drive. so it's not a worry for me.
So is Quicktime X going to be Snow Leopard exclusive? And if so, do they intend to continue developing Quicktime 7 in parallel for Tiger, Leopard, and Windows?
they will likely not continue to develop QT 7 just as they froze Tiger at 10.4.11 and are apparently freezing Leopard at 10.5.8
I hope that ability can be toggled off during installation, that's horrible for editors. I'm finishing up a job in FCP6 soon and I was thinking of giving fcp7 a try, imagine when I found a problem and wanted to go back to FCP6 my fcp6 disks were automatically giving me fcp7?
it is my understanding that they are only talking about the OS. not about 3rd party apps
I just want to know if I have to have Leopard installed in order to install Snow Leopard. I tend to like to zero my drive and start from scratch with a new OS. While I own a copy of Leopard, it would be a colossal pain to have to zero, install Leopard, and then upgrade to Snow Leopard...
it sounds like you would have to have Leopard installed. but really is it that much of a pain. particularly if it doesnt matter what version of Leopard you have. you boot from that disk. install. do your setup and migration from the backup you made. then upgrade to snow leopard.
or if you just really one to do it in two steps, spring for the 'tiger' pack which is likely leopard+snowleopard in one.
$169 for current Tiger/Panther users, but that also includes the latest iLife and iWork. That is the only way it?s coming for those so you can save money by buying a cheap copy Leopard and the $29 version of Snow Leopard, assuming you don?t want the latest versions of iLife and iWork.
ilife and iwork 09 didn't work unless you had leopard and are actually major improvements in many cases. and when you break it down you are paying $129 for Leopard, $29 for the Snow Leopard upgrade and then what $11 for ilife and iwork. seems like a smashing good deal to me
The release date for everywhere is still kind of vague. If SL really is GM status, an announcement will be made very soon so people can start pre-ordering.
The release date part was general (It'll be a global release date). I was just saying we don't know either that or the pricing for places like the UK.
Pre-Order on Amazon.com already! I can't wait either!
Hmmmm... yesterday Amazon.ca mentioned it'll be available September 23rd, today they updated it to say "We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock"
My thoughts exactly. Often to fix problems we want to revert to an earlier version.
My guess is that Apple would say you can always restore from a Time Machine backup. I know this isn't the answer some people are looking for, but I have a feeling that would be Apple's response.
This is why it would take the time, solving problems like this!
From my interpretation:
[1] Install 10.6
... sometime in the not too distant future ...
[2] Install 10.6.1 via software update
... sometime later in the not too distant future ...
[3] Reinstall 10.6? system automatically figures out which components to alter/ammend/overwrite to get back to step 2.
But what if:
[3] Install 10.6.2
[4] Install 10.6.3 ... and oh crap, it's broken one of my applications, I want to go back to 10.6.2
Do I:
a) Install 10.6 which will automatically leave me at 10.6.3 according to the article
b) Install 10.6 followed by the 10.6.2 combo updater (assuming it's still available)
c) Just install the 10.6.2 combo updater, skipping the 10.6 installer
It's really no different from before. This is just for convenience when you're doing the upgrade.
As before, when doing a re-install, you just install the combo update afterwards.
But will the combo updaters act just like the 10.6 installer and automatically leave me at the more recent version (will the 10.6.2 updater put me at 10.6.2 or 10.6.3)? Even if they don't, the 10.6.2 combo updater will have no knowledge of any new files (completely new, not just updates of previous versions of files). So even if the 10.6.2 updater leaves you at 10.6.2, you might have orphaned 10.6.3 files which might cause problem.
Ok, ok, I'm sure Apple has thought this through and have considered the possible scenarios. We are all just curious how they are implementing this feature.
I hope that ability can be toggled off during installation, that's horrible for editors. I'm finishing up a job in FCP6 soon and I was thinking of giving fcp7 a try, imagine when I found a problem and wanted to go back to FCP6 my fcp6 disks were automatically giving me fcp7?
We are only talking about OS installs, not application installs. There is no evidence to suggest Apple is doing the same thing for app installers.
If you really want to pay that much I can buy it for $169 and sell it to you for $299.
Or I could make a donation to Micro$oft. They need it, they so hosey.
These are some nice tweaks. I’m still waiting for QT7 to be an option. There are just too many things that I miss about it that QTX doesn’t do. I still surprised that QTX is considered complete at this point.
I suggest you carefully reread the article. Take your time now.
Although Rosetta and Quicktime 7 are both included on the Mac OS X 10.6 installation DVD, both are designated as optional installs by default. However, if Mac OS X 10.6 is being installed on a Mac that contains a registration a key for Quicktime 7 Pro, the installer will install Quicktime 7 automatically.
I suggest you carefully reread the article. Take your time now.
What part of my comment confused you? The part where I don’t feel that QTX is complete enough for many people used to QT7 or the part where I clearly stated that my Snow Leopard betas don’t currently contain the optional install for QuickTime 7.
I think it makes most sense to update the GUI when they finally turn on Resolution Independence by default.
I think that 10.7 will remove all the parts of Carbon that make RI tricky (QuickDraw) (or perhaps completely remove Carbon) and have an updated GUI. Expect it to be previewed at the next WWDC and released 18 to 24 months later.
Hopefully, with so much of the old plumbing thrown out and new pipes having been put in, a new sink will be easier to install so that we might not have to wait as long for the water to start running.
(Sorry for the odd metaphor, but I just got out of the bathroom.)
Hopefully, with so much of the old plumbing thrown out and new pipes having been put in, a new sink will be easier to install so that we might not have to wait as long for the water to start running.
(Sorry for the odd metaphor, but I just got out of the bathroom.)
You did seem a little flushed.
You did seem a little flushed.
Heh!!!
Must be an omen that my decision to go Mac at home is indeed the right one.
Seconds after I posted that witty retort, my work computer (a Dell Optiplex 755 running Windows XP) BSOD'd on me! I kid you not!
Must be an omen that my decision to go Mac at home is indeed the right one.
Soaking your equipment in the bath always results in that.
why do we have to go through the same thing at every OS rls. it's called Gold Master. Gold, GOLD! Golden is the egg from the fairy tale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_master
Although, amusingly, the reference at the bottom of the page is labeled "Mac OS X 'Gold Master' Released To Manufacturing' - Apple, Inc. 2001-03-07." So much for Wikipedia as the ultimate authority. Actually, I suspect this article has the title it does to disambiguate it from the the "Gold Master" article listed under See Also.
Soaking your equipment in the bath always results in that.
You did mean computer equipment, right?
You did mean computer equipment, right?
Oh,