Hmmm, i've been a vocal critic of blu-ray but that guy is completely nuts. His reasoning consisted entirely of an unsubstantiated assertion that cheap electronics might not work very well so don't buy a cheap blu-ray player.
I'd agree with that myself. However we were comparing the price point of DVD to BluRay for marketing purposes. I'd say the same goes for don't buy a cheap DVD player either. I've seen some of those DVD players in friend's houses and they never worked well. Lousy feature set and don't usually play DVD rewritable media very well.
So yes BD players are getting cheap. Close to as cheap as DVD players. Which was the original point. Personally I see $200.00 to $250.00 a really good price point for a good BD considering what you get which is more than you get with the comparable DVD player..
10% of their customers currently subscribe to the blu-ray package. He doesn't provide any direct comparisons but does offer a few interesting tidbits. Open streaming products? direct to netflix releases? International expansion?
(Thanks to this Arstechnica article for directing me to the podcast:
Couldn't have said it any better. Thanks for driving the point home.
Ah, still hoping your dark night will pull through for ya huh? Wasn't the PS3 supposed to start dominating about 2 years ago?
Ok, so they have a new console config out now and the price is level with the competition pretty much...NPD numbers come out today and I'm sure they'll have a nice little bump in sales.
Yet, will it outsell it's competition this holiday season? F/ck no. It will get crushed by the Wii and 360 once again.
Even with a good game like Uncharted 2 the console is still a mediocre gaming platform and consumers know it.
Ah, still hoping your dark night will pull through for ya huh? Wasn't the PS3 supposed to start dominating about 2 years ago?
Ok, so they have a new console config out now and the price is level with the competition pretty much...NPD numbers come out today and I'm sure they'll have a nice little bump in sales.
Yet, will it outsell it's competition this holiday season? F/ck no. It will get crushed by the Wii and 360 once again.
Even with a good game like Uncharted 2 the console is still a mediocre gaming platform and consumers know it.
Nobody sits at home waiting for four years for a console price drop.
Just call me nobody. I would buy a PS3 mainly as a blu-ray player. But I've been hoping Apple would make it available. Or an integrated SD reader to promote movie distribution on SD card.
I think the new products are nifty, but I don't understand why Apple couldn't add Blu-Ray option for those who want it, even if they needed to charge $300 more. There's a story there, for some reporter that can get it.
Just call me nobody. I would buy a PS3 mainly as a blu-ray player. But I've been hoping Apple would make it available. Or an integrated SD reader to promote movie distribution on SD card.
I think the new products are nifty, but I don't understand why Apple couldn't add Blu-Ray option for those who want it, even if they needed to charge $300 more. There's a story there, for some reporter that can get it.
There are usb SD card adaptors you can buy for less than $10. Mine came free with my 16GB SD card, which actually transfers files faster than most built in SD card readers.
BD drives are cheap and you can easily add it internally/externally to your system. Why would you want to pay $150+ for the BD drive upgrade when you can buy the drive on your own at much cheaper price. I would think some standalone BD players are now even cheaper than the drives alone. With many new BD players coming with streaming capability from either NAS/Media Server or any streaming services like Netflix and VUDU, even the HTPC solution is becoming obsolete. I guess you would need a BD drive to rip the discs.
10% of their customers currently subscribe to the blu-ray package. He doesn't provide any direct comparisons but does offer a few interesting tidbits. Open streaming products? direct to netflix releases? International expansion?
(Thanks to this Arstechnica article for directing me to the podcast:
Netflix is far from the best source of information for general trends in purchasing habits, for the very reason that you are not purchasing anything. Rental is about mostly about the convenience factor. Is it more convenient to wait for a dvd to arrive in the mail, or just stream the movie now? Netflix doesn't hint at whether or not people will buy Blu-ray at all. the 10% of people subscribing to the Blu-ray package part is somewhat interesting though as it hints at the hardware a typical Netflix user has in their home.
Netflix is far from the best source of information for general trends in purchasing habits, for the very reason that you are not purchasing anything. Rental is about mostly about the convenience factor. Is it more convenient to wait for a dvd to arrive in the mail, or just stream the movie now? Netflix doesn't hint at whether or not people will buy Blu-ray at all. the 10% of people subscribing to the Blu-ray package part is somewhat interesting though as it hints at the hardware a typical Netflix user has in their home.
So you're only interested in the purchased media market?
Perhaps then it is worth noting that people spend more money on, and spend mire time viewing non-purchased media... aka: cable, satellite, fios, etc. Netflix also offers a transient viewing license. All of these are worthy of consideration, especially because this thread is expressly for the comparison of all these options.
In my opinion, the future is being able to watch anything anytime anywhere. Focussing only on purchased media would mean ignoring that ultimate viewing utopia.
In my opinion, the future is being able to watch anything anytime anywhere. Focussing only on purchased media would mean ignoring that ultimate viewing utopia.
The big problem with the statement "in the future" is that no one defines when the future is. The day after tomorrow, five years, a decade or two?
As for anywhere, the only place I'd want to watch a movie other than in a theatre, is in my home media center. An iPod Touch/iPhone or laptop screen doesn't cut it. But to each their own.
So you're only interested in the purchased media market?
Perhaps then it is worth noting that people spend more money on, and spend mire time viewing non-purchased media... aka: cable, satellite, fios, etc. Netflix also offers a transient viewing license. All of these are worthy of consideration, especially because this thread is expressly for the comparison of all these options.
In my opinion, the future is being able to watch anything anytime anywhere. Focussing only on purchased media would mean ignoring that ultimate viewing utopia.
I'd love that! However I think " The Future " is going to be quite awhile.
10% of their customers currently subscribe to the blu-ray package. He doesn't provide any direct comparisons but does offer a few interesting tidbits. Open streaming products? direct to netflix releases? International expansion?
(Thanks to this Arstechnica article for directing me to the podcast:
On the the other hand there are those of us that find the new release market or VOD selection so small that we turn to our collection to watch something again. Like last Tuesday. The only thing I found to rent was Land of The Lost and Drag Me To Hell. Both were kind of meh. There's something to be said for being able to watch what you want to watch. The only way this will truly change in a big way is if everything is offered ( what you want to watch and when ) in true 1080p ( as sales of big screens are on the rise and prices are falling ).
I'd love that! However I think " The Future " is going to be quite awhile.
You have been saying that for awhile and you've also made the prediction that the future is 5 to 7 years away? "Your" prediction may only apply to "you". It is already happening for those who can capitalize on the existing services. Now, VUDU also offers HDX streaming as well as Netflix offering unlimited streaming service even for basic $9.99 service plans.
Making an argument about the library size is just not valid. The library will get larger as fast as they can covert their own librabry into streaming contents.
In some ways, your argument is as strong as someone who would be complaining about their slow internet service with a 14.4k modem and letting everyone know that the internet is not ready for the mainstream today by saying "I think The Future is going to be quite awhile".
If you want it and willing to pay for it, you can have "The Future" today!
You have been saying that for awhile and you've also made the prediction that the future is 5 to 7 years away? "Your" prediction may only apply to "you". It is already happening for those who can capitalize on the existing services. Now, VUDU also offers HDX streaming as well as Netflix offering unlimited streaming service even for basic $9.99 service plans.
Making an argument about the library size is just not valid. The library will get larger as fast as they can covert their own librabry into streaming contents.
In some ways, your argument is as strong as someone who would be complaining about their slow internet service with a 14.4k modem and letting everyone know that the internet is not ready for the mainstream today by saying "I think The Future is going to be quite awhile".
If you want it and willing to pay for it, you can have "The Future" today!
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You have been saying that for awhile and you've also made the prediction that the future is 5 to 7 years away?
Yes I have. About 2 years now. Has downloading replaced physical media yet?
Most people who didn't agree said my estimate of downloading replacing physical media at least 10 years away was unreasonable. Well it's only 8 years now.
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VUDU also offers HDX streaming as well as Netflix offering unlimited streaming service even for basic $9.99 service plans.
And the picture quality is like 1080p equal to BD?
Downloading proponents also use 1080p only matters if you have a big screen and yet big screen sales are the ones that are selling the most due to dropping price points. College kids ( without living rooms ) are the only ones where small screens are popular.
However the closer we get with little change ( physical media going away ) the longer it will be is more likely.
Also I was thinking about this the other day. Proponents of downloading say optical discs are risky since they can be damaged. Well ever had a HD crash and lose data?
By the way HULU is considering charging for their videos. Just food for thought. I just don't like paying again and again. I don't think most of the consumers do. That's why purchasing still out ways renting.
I'm not saying it will never happen. It's just that if you think about it in a reasonable fashion some things have to be ironed out first.
Yes I have. About 2 years now. Has downloading replaced physical media yet?
And the picture quality is like 1080p equal to BD?
Downloading proponents also use 1080p only matters if you have a big screen and yet big screen sales are the ones that are selling the most due to dropping price points. College kids ( without living rooms ) are the only ones where small screens are popular.
Yes, for those using netflix streaming no longer need to keep their disc ques for DVD delivery.
Yes, VuDu HDX PQ is like 1080p equal to BD as well as providing DD+ audio.
What does big screens have to do with replacing movie disc rental vs. streaming services?
That's a pretty bold statement considering the quality of their VOD is absolutely horrendous and sometimes unwatchable.
Have you seen the netflix streaming via a set top box? (Not the lower-bitrate, PC-based netflix streaming) Most people consider it to be on par with DVD quality. Of course, this is debatable given everyone's individual propensity to see compression artifacts. Also debatable is whether DVD quality is "good enough".
But really, I don't think the netflix CEO was trying to be bold. It didn't seem like he was pushing streaming so much as just commenting on trends in his customer base.
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Hmmm, i've been a vocal critic of blu-ray but that guy is completely nuts. His reasoning consisted entirely of an unsubstantiated assertion that cheap electronics might not work very well so don't buy a cheap blu-ray player.
I'd agree with that myself. However we were comparing the price point of DVD to BluRay for marketing purposes. I'd say the same goes for don't buy a cheap DVD player either. I've seen some of those DVD players in friend's houses and they never worked well. Lousy feature set and don't usually play DVD rewritable media very well.
So yes BD players are getting cheap. Close to as cheap as DVD players. Which was the original point. Personally I see $200.00 to $250.00 a really good price point for a good BD considering what you get which is more than you get with the comparable DVD player..
2009/10/7 Motley Fool Podcast
10% of their customers currently subscribe to the blu-ray package. He doesn't provide any direct comparisons but does offer a few interesting tidbits. Open streaming products? direct to netflix releases? International expansion?
(Thanks to this Arstechnica article for directing me to the podcast:
I haven't watched a DVD in six months. Thanks, Netflix?)
I haven't watched a DVD in six months. Thanks, Netflix?)
You beat me to it!
C.
Couldn't have said it any better. Thanks for driving the point home.
Ah, still hoping your dark night will pull through for ya huh? Wasn't the PS3 supposed to start dominating about 2 years ago?
Ok, so they have a new console config out now and the price is level with the competition pretty much...NPD numbers come out today and I'm sure they'll have a nice little bump in sales.
Yet, will it outsell it's competition this holiday season? F/ck no. It will get crushed by the Wii and 360 once again.
Even with a good game like Uncharted 2 the console is still a mediocre gaming platform and consumers know it.
But you keep on hoping buddy.
Netflix CEO, Reed Hastings, says their streaming may overtake DVD in two years
2009/10/7 Motley Fool Podcast
What, when all of their subscribers decide they'd rather only watch Caddyshack IV and Weekend at Bernies 3 instead of new releases?
Netflix CEO, Reed Hastings, says their streaming may overtake DVD in two years
CEO of Coca-Cola says a day may come when there is a Coke tap in every home.
Ah, still hoping your dark night will pull through for ya huh? Wasn't the PS3 supposed to start dominating about 2 years ago?
Ok, so they have a new console config out now and the price is level with the competition pretty much...NPD numbers come out today and I'm sure they'll have a nice little bump in sales.
Yet, will it outsell it's competition this holiday season? F/ck no. It will get crushed by the Wii and 360 once again.
Even with a good game like Uncharted 2 the console is still a mediocre gaming platform and consumers know it.
But you keep on hoping buddy.
Have I stumbled into a videogaming fanboy forum?
Nobody sits at home waiting for four years for a console price drop.
Just call me nobody. I would buy a PS3 mainly as a blu-ray player. But I've been hoping Apple would make it available. Or an integrated SD reader to promote movie distribution on SD card.
I think the new products are nifty, but I don't understand why Apple couldn't add Blu-Ray option for those who want it, even if they needed to charge $300 more. There's a story there, for some reporter that can get it.
Just call me nobody. I would buy a PS3 mainly as a blu-ray player. But I've been hoping Apple would make it available. Or an integrated SD reader to promote movie distribution on SD card.
I think the new products are nifty, but I don't understand why Apple couldn't add Blu-Ray option for those who want it, even if they needed to charge $300 more. There's a story there, for some reporter that can get it.
There are usb SD card adaptors you can buy for less than $10. Mine came free with my 16GB SD card, which actually transfers files faster than most built in SD card readers.
BD drives are cheap and you can easily add it internally/externally to your system. Why would you want to pay $150+ for the BD drive upgrade when you can buy the drive on your own at much cheaper price. I would think some standalone BD players are now even cheaper than the drives alone. With many new BD players coming with streaming capability from either NAS/Media Server or any streaming services like Netflix and VUDU, even the HTPC solution is becoming obsolete. I guess you would need a BD drive to rip the discs.
Netflix CEO, Reed Hastings, says their streaming may overtake DVD in two years
2009/10/7 Motley Fool Podcast
10% of their customers currently subscribe to the blu-ray package. He doesn't provide any direct comparisons but does offer a few interesting tidbits. Open streaming products? direct to netflix releases? International expansion?
(Thanks to this Arstechnica article for directing me to the podcast:
I haven't watched a DVD in six months. Thanks, Netflix?)
Netflix is far from the best source of information for general trends in purchasing habits, for the very reason that you are not purchasing anything. Rental is about mostly about the convenience factor. Is it more convenient to wait for a dvd to arrive in the mail, or just stream the movie now? Netflix doesn't hint at whether or not people will buy Blu-ray at all. the 10% of people subscribing to the Blu-ray package part is somewhat interesting though as it hints at the hardware a typical Netflix user has in their home.
Netflix is far from the best source of information for general trends in purchasing habits, for the very reason that you are not purchasing anything. Rental is about mostly about the convenience factor. Is it more convenient to wait for a dvd to arrive in the mail, or just stream the movie now? Netflix doesn't hint at whether or not people will buy Blu-ray at all. the 10% of people subscribing to the Blu-ray package part is somewhat interesting though as it hints at the hardware a typical Netflix user has in their home.
So you're only interested in the purchased media market?
Perhaps then it is worth noting that people spend more money on, and spend mire time viewing non-purchased media... aka: cable, satellite, fios, etc. Netflix also offers a transient viewing license. All of these are worthy of consideration, especially because this thread is expressly for the comparison of all these options.
In my opinion, the future is being able to watch anything anytime anywhere. Focussing only on purchased media would mean ignoring that ultimate viewing utopia.
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In my opinion, the future is being able to watch anything anytime anywhere. Focussing only on purchased media would mean ignoring that ultimate viewing utopia.
The big problem with the statement "in the future" is that no one defines when the future is. The day after tomorrow, five years, a decade or two?
As for anywhere, the only place I'd want to watch a movie other than in a theatre, is in my home media center. An iPod Touch/iPhone or laptop screen doesn't cut it. But to each their own.
So you're only interested in the purchased media market?
Perhaps then it is worth noting that people spend more money on, and spend mire time viewing non-purchased media... aka: cable, satellite, fios, etc. Netflix also offers a transient viewing license. All of these are worthy of consideration, especially because this thread is expressly for the comparison of all these options.
In my opinion, the future is being able to watch anything anytime anywhere. Focussing only on purchased media would mean ignoring that ultimate viewing utopia.
I'd love that! However I think " The Future " is going to be quite awhile.
Netflix CEO, Reed Hastings, says their streaming may overtake DVD in two years
2009/10/7 Motley Fool Podcast
10% of their customers currently subscribe to the blu-ray package. He doesn't provide any direct comparisons but does offer a few interesting tidbits. Open streaming products? direct to netflix releases? International expansion?
(Thanks to this Arstechnica article for directing me to the podcast:
I haven't watched a DVD in six months. Thanks, Netflix?)
On the the other hand there are those of us that find the new release market or VOD selection so small that we turn to our collection to watch something again. Like last Tuesday. The only thing I found to rent was Land of The Lost and Drag Me To Hell. Both were kind of meh. There's something to be said for being able to watch what you want to watch. The only way this will truly change in a big way is if everything is offered ( what you want to watch and when ) in true 1080p ( as sales of big screens are on the rise and prices are falling ).
I'd love that! However I think " The Future " is going to be quite awhile.
You have been saying that for awhile and you've also made the prediction that the future is 5 to 7 years away? "Your" prediction may only apply to "you". It is already happening for those who can capitalize on the existing services. Now, VUDU also offers HDX streaming as well as Netflix offering unlimited streaming service even for basic $9.99 service plans.
Making an argument about the library size is just not valid. The library will get larger as fast as they can covert their own librabry into streaming contents.
In some ways, your argument is as strong as someone who would be complaining about their slow internet service with a 14.4k modem and letting everyone know that the internet is not ready for the mainstream today by saying "I think The Future is going to be quite awhile".
If you want it and willing to pay for it, you can have "The Future" today!
Have I stumbled into a videogaming fanboy forum?
Nope, but when someone is wrong they need to be called out.
You have been saying that for awhile and you've also made the prediction that the future is 5 to 7 years away? "Your" prediction may only apply to "you". It is already happening for those who can capitalize on the existing services. Now, VUDU also offers HDX streaming as well as Netflix offering unlimited streaming service even for basic $9.99 service plans.
Making an argument about the library size is just not valid. The library will get larger as fast as they can covert their own librabry into streaming contents.
In some ways, your argument is as strong as someone who would be complaining about their slow internet service with a 14.4k modem and letting everyone know that the internet is not ready for the mainstream today by saying "I think The Future is going to be quite awhile".
If you want it and willing to pay for it, you can have "The Future" today!
You have been saying that for awhile and you've also made the prediction that the future is 5 to 7 years away?
Yes I have. About 2 years now. Has downloading replaced physical media yet?
Most people who didn't agree said my estimate of downloading replacing physical media at least 10 years away was unreasonable. Well it's only 8 years now.
VUDU also offers HDX streaming as well as Netflix offering unlimited streaming service even for basic $9.99 service plans.
And the picture quality is like 1080p equal to BD?
Downloading proponents also use 1080p only matters if you have a big screen and yet big screen sales are the ones that are selling the most due to dropping price points. College kids ( without living rooms ) are the only ones where small screens are popular.
However the closer we get with little change ( physical media going away ) the longer it will be is more likely.
Also I was thinking about this the other day. Proponents of downloading say optical discs are risky since they can be damaged. Well ever had a HD crash and lose data?
By the way HULU is considering charging for their videos. Just food for thought. I just don't like paying again and again. I don't think most of the consumers do. That's why purchasing still out ways renting.
I'm not saying it will never happen. It's just that if you think about it in a reasonable fashion some things have to be ironed out first.
Yes I have. About 2 years now. Has downloading replaced physical media yet?
And the picture quality is like 1080p equal to BD?
Downloading proponents also use 1080p only matters if you have a big screen and yet big screen sales are the ones that are selling the most due to dropping price points. College kids ( without living rooms ) are the only ones where small screens are popular.
Yes, for those using netflix streaming no longer need to keep their disc ques for DVD delivery.
Yes, VuDu HDX PQ is like 1080p equal to BD as well as providing DD+ audio.
What does big screens have to do with replacing movie disc rental vs. streaming services?
Netflix CEO, Reed Hastings, says their streaming may overtake DVD in two years
2009/10/7 Motley Fool Podcast
That's a pretty bold statement considering the quality of their VOD is absolutely horrendous and sometimes unwatchable.
That's a pretty bold statement considering the quality of their VOD is absolutely horrendous and sometimes unwatchable.
Have you seen the netflix streaming via a set top box? (Not the lower-bitrate, PC-based netflix streaming) Most people consider it to be on par with DVD quality. Of course, this is debatable given everyone's individual propensity to see compression artifacts. Also debatable is whether DVD quality is "good enough".
But really, I don't think the netflix CEO was trying to be bold. It didn't seem like he was pushing streaming so much as just commenting on trends in his customer base.