And with all that you want the iPhone to be very thin, right? Hmmm I wish Apple did magic.
You mean like the Apple defenders who mindlessly defended the difficulty of taking apart past Apple laptops, claiming that it is impossible to make a thin laptop that is also easy to service. The unibody MacBook Pro must be magic because it is stronger and thinner than the original MacBook Pro, yet easier to service.
New Design... please its getting old and boring...
Screen with much higher resolution. I personally don't want OLED because of bad performance in sunlight, something you don't want on a phone, but wouldn't care with a PMP.
I would also like a slightly bigger screen with 16:9 aspect ratio, but nothing really important.
Better camera with higher resolution and 720p video.
LED Flash!
Cortex ARM9 chip, with 1GHz or higher clock speed.... (something that works well with a good battery life.. Apple can figure it out..)
Software:
Multitasking!!
Some sort of addition that makes alarm clock apps work without leaving them on all night! (self launching apps. Obviously this is tricky because of virus problems..)
Slightly newer UI, which works with multitasking..
contacts etc synching with gmail, facebook, etc, something like WebOS.
built in voice typing... more voice commands.. but i don't want it to work like android, where it send voice to their server and gets results. I want the feature to work when offline..
Surprise me!
It is about time Apple improved on the camera. Instead of CMOS, they need to go with CCD and larger sensors... more important than just measuring MPixel. For decent pictures, the camera needs a Zeiss quality glass lenses. Optical zoom would be nice, but space is a limitation. These kinds of upgrades would be category killers for the causual camera/camcorder.
Along with multitasking, we need the capability to have latent apps like Skype than will ring the phone for a VoIP call. The competition - Google - is implementing this feature, so Apple better keep up. About time we had folders.
Apple underestimated the competition... now they are catching up and fast... especially with the hardware. That is one big mistake businesses make.
My Blackberry has had an awesome flash for a few years now. The battery life isn't that great and the photos it takes aren't either but at least it has a camera flash.
What is the point in having a great flash when the pictures are poor ?
I keep reading that you guys want a new hardware design... like what? There's a reason Motorola, RIM, Palm, and HTC keep putting out phones with the same shape and similar looks as the iPhone; it works well in the hand.
Man alive it is about time. My Blackberry has had an awesome flash for a few years now. ...
This is not exactly true.
The very first Blackberry to even get a camera was the Pearl 8100, which also had a flash, but it was a tiny camera with a tiny almost useless flash. That hardly qualifies as "awesome" and given that this was September 06, it also only barely makes it under the "few years" bar.
Good. Glad to hear the iPhone 4 is going to be the kick in the nuts Droid, Google phone and palm have had coming. Not to mention a flick on the gonad of Nokia.
The 'me too' phones have had their day in the sun. iPhone 4 will be the model I buy. I've been holding off. ie multi-carrier, cheaper prices, better camera/flash etc. Now it's all coming together, I'll buy this June/July.
...My rule of thumb - if your camera isn't good enough to capture enough ambient light then don't take the photo - end of story. Rooms are dimly lit for a reason - intimacy, mood, privacy, mystery, calmness. Why ruin that for a few harshly-lit ugly snapshots?
What about fill-flash, where the background is bright, but the person is in shade or because the camera is using an average exposure that's too dark for people's faces outside...would that be acceptable use of a flash? Also, even in some situations where the light is not that dark to our eyes, it's not bright enough for the tiny lens in a cell phone.
Oh no, my phone isn't a camera! Damn you APPLE!!!!
The picture with the flash still looks like garbage. sure now you can see detail but the color is atrocious. I'm all for having a camera in a phone for convenience but people really need to keep it in perspective. It's a camera, in a phone. Not a camera. No matter what Apple does it will never be as good as a dedicated unit. Nothing they do can change the fact that the lens is a piece of plastic garbage, that it shoots at f/8 most of the time (because f/11 is the only other f stop), depth of field is always deep and uncontrollable, the lens is always at a fixed focal length and the shutter can only operate between 1/15th and 1/60th of a second. For Pete's sake, for about $100 you can get a camera that is leaps and bounds better than the iphone.
That said I would like to see a 5MP camera but an LED flash sounds like garbage. That's the reason for the color shift in the 2nd shot. LED's don't "burn" at the correct temp and do not provide the intensity needed to create proper contrast/ saturation. Might as well just bust out an LED flashlight and shoot it into the ceiling if that's all the light you need. It'll probably work better and provide more light.
If anything Apple should think about making the camera faster. faster App launch, faster picture taking, faster download from chip to camera. Maybe capture 2 or 3 frames in memory before writing to the card. Apple may want to consider putting a 720p capable chip in the phone to compete with the flip.
BTW AjitMD: Why exactly is it "about time" Apple improved the camera? I love your attitude. Apple doesn't understand the competition? I'm afraid you're the one who does not understand. Let me ask... Have you enjoyed taking 10 MP images on your Nokia? Does the droid come with a 12x optical zoom lens? No wait, Palm has just released a sports phone that captures little Billy's soccer game in 32 frames bursts at 12 FPS for 10 MP images. You''ll never miss any of the action...
First of all...
CMOS is a generally a better chip (power and rendering) CCD is old tech and as far as large sensor (?) are you kidding? How would you expect Apple to cram a bigger chip into a phone while also compensating for a huge power draw? Maybe we need brick sized battery adapters as well. I have $5k cameras that still only have a 1/3rd" chips in them. Zeiss glass? If you think a lens the size or an eraser head will take better pictures because it's made out of Zeiss glass you're an idiot. Not to mention a zoom lens? What is the point of 2x zoom? That's all you will ever get if they can even fit that in there. Just take 2 steps forward. I suppose you'd like a giant 80-200mm f/2.8 lens on the iphone as well.
You are very typical of a person talking about things they have no knowledge of. You are arrogant to say the least Just another consumer begging for features they don't understand. Buy a CAMERA and don't try using it to make phone calls.
...most of those pictures end up being ugly and unflattering pictures to look at. ...
I'm not a big flash user either.
Can anyone say how well the lenses on those phones stack up?
A more sensitive chip is all very well, but - leaving cost aside - a better lens will make a better difference to the picture quality (as well as reduce the need for flash).
For that to work the flash would have to be the perfect illuminance to balance with the back ground and appear to be an ambient source. Unless you have the camera right in a persons face out in broad daylight a cell phone flash wouldn't be bright enough. Phone camera isn't sophisticated enough to make this type of determination.
Under most circumstances, camera flash is a horrible source of light.
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What about fill-flash, where the background is bright, but the person is in shade or because the camera is using an average exposure that's too dark for people's faces outside...would that be acceptable use of a flash? Also, even in some situations where the light is not that dark to our eyes, it's not bright enough for the tiny lens in a cell phone.
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And with all that you want the iPhone to be very thin, right? Hmmm I wish Apple did magic.
You mean like the Apple defenders who mindlessly defended the difficulty of taking apart past Apple laptops, claiming that it is impossible to make a thin laptop that is also easy to service. The unibody MacBook Pro must be magic because it is stronger and thinner than the original MacBook Pro, yet easier to service.
I think you mean "jibe with rumors". JIBE means agree with. JIVE is a type of music or talk.
iPhone 4G:
Hardware improvements:
New Design... please its getting old and boring...
Screen with much higher resolution. I personally don't want OLED because of bad performance in sunlight, something you don't want on a phone, but wouldn't care with a PMP.
I would also like a slightly bigger screen with 16:9 aspect ratio, but nothing really important.
Better camera with higher resolution and 720p video.
LED Flash!
Cortex ARM9 chip, with 1GHz or higher clock speed.... (something that works well with a good battery life.. Apple can figure it out..)
Software:
Multitasking!!
Some sort of addition that makes alarm clock apps work without leaving them on all night! (self launching apps. Obviously this is tricky because of virus problems..)
Slightly newer UI, which works with multitasking..
contacts etc synching with gmail, facebook, etc, something like WebOS.
built in voice typing... more voice commands.. but i don't want it to work like android, where it send voice to their server and gets results. I want the feature to work when offline..
Surprise me!
It is about time Apple improved on the camera. Instead of CMOS, they need to go with CCD and larger sensors... more important than just measuring MPixel. For decent pictures, the camera needs a Zeiss quality glass lenses. Optical zoom would be nice, but space is a limitation. These kinds of upgrades would be category killers for the causual camera/camcorder.
Along with multitasking, we need the capability to have latent apps like Skype than will ring the phone for a VoIP call. The competition - Google - is implementing this feature, so Apple better keep up. About time we had folders.
Apple underestimated the competition... now they are catching up and fast... especially with the hardware. That is one big mistake businesses make.
I know it's unlikely, but who here doesn't also hope that it's the Apple logo on the back of the phone that becomes the light source?
I would love it !
The iPhone 3GS has a 3.0 megapixel camera, right?
I think it actually is 3.2 MP.
The two things keeping me from upgrading to an iPhone are the lack of a flash and the still small memory capacity.
So far I think the iPhone is one of the smartphones out there with the most storage...
My Blackberry has had an awesome flash for a few years now. The battery life isn't that great and the photos it takes aren't either but at least it has a camera flash.
What is the point in having a great flash when the pictures are poor ?
I keep reading that you guys want a new hardware design... like what? There's a reason Motorola, RIM, Palm, and HTC keep putting out phones with the same shape and similar looks as the iPhone; it works well in the hand.
Honestly, I don't see where else there is to go.
alu and some colours would be cool
A move by Apple towards the LUXEON components would also appear to jive with rumors that the iPhone maker...
jive
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1 [ intrans. ] perform the jive or a similar dance to popular music : people were jiving in the aisles.
2 [ trans. ] informal taunt or sneer at : Willy kept jiving him until Jimmy left.
perhaps you meant:
jibe
verb [ intrans. ] informal
be in accord; agree : the verdict does not jibe with the medical evidence.
ORIGIN early 19th cent.: of unknown origin.
Man alive it is about time. My Blackberry has had an awesome flash for a few years now. ...
This is not exactly true.
The very first Blackberry to even get a camera was the Pearl 8100, which also had a flash, but it was a tiny camera with a tiny almost useless flash. That hardly qualifies as "awesome" and given that this was September 06, it also only barely makes it under the "few years" bar.
Your really exaggerating here a bit.
The next iPhone revision will include a 5.0 MP camera with superior LED Flash...
This prognosticating is pretty easy!
The 'me too' phones have had their day in the sun. iPhone 4 will be the model I buy. I've been holding off. ie multi-carrier, cheaper prices, better camera/flash etc. Now it's all coming together, I'll buy this June/July.
By then it'll be worth £400.
Lemon Bon Bon.
your current cell phone has more than 32GB internal memory?
(I'm not original poster but...) I'm waiting because I want to ditch my iPod 5G and my music collection won't fit in 32GB.
Just more unnecessary crap; more stuff to drain battery; more stuff to break.
Prefer better lens; better sensor, better resolution.
If I want my pictures to look like they are taken in light, I will take them in light.
If I take them in the dark, I want them to look like they were taken in the dark.
What's there, is there.
...My rule of thumb - if your camera isn't good enough to capture enough ambient light then don't take the photo - end of story. Rooms are dimly lit for a reason - intimacy, mood, privacy, mystery, calmness. Why ruin that for a few harshly-lit ugly snapshots?
What about fill-flash, where the background is bright, but the person is in shade or because the camera is using an average exposure that's too dark for people's faces outside...would that be acceptable use of a flash? Also, even in some situations where the light is not that dark to our eyes, it's not bright enough for the tiny lens in a cell phone.
The picture with the flash still looks like garbage. sure now you can see detail but the color is atrocious. I'm all for having a camera in a phone for convenience but people really need to keep it in perspective. It's a camera, in a phone. Not a camera. No matter what Apple does it will never be as good as a dedicated unit. Nothing they do can change the fact that the lens is a piece of plastic garbage, that it shoots at f/8 most of the time (because f/11 is the only other f stop), depth of field is always deep and uncontrollable, the lens is always at a fixed focal length and the shutter can only operate between 1/15th and 1/60th of a second. For Pete's sake, for about $100 you can get a camera that is leaps and bounds better than the iphone.
That said I would like to see a 5MP camera but an LED flash sounds like garbage. That's the reason for the color shift in the 2nd shot. LED's don't "burn" at the correct temp and do not provide the intensity needed to create proper contrast/ saturation. Might as well just bust out an LED flashlight and shoot it into the ceiling if that's all the light you need. It'll probably work better and provide more light.
If anything Apple should think about making the camera faster. faster App launch, faster picture taking, faster download from chip to camera. Maybe capture 2 or 3 frames in memory before writing to the card. Apple may want to consider putting a 720p capable chip in the phone to compete with the flip.
BTW AjitMD: Why exactly is it "about time" Apple improved the camera? I love your attitude. Apple doesn't understand the competition? I'm afraid you're the one who does not understand. Let me ask... Have you enjoyed taking 10 MP images on your Nokia? Does the droid come with a 12x optical zoom lens? No wait, Palm has just released a sports phone that captures little Billy's soccer game in 32 frames bursts at 12 FPS for 10 MP images. You''ll never miss any of the action...
First of all...
CMOS is a generally a better chip (power and rendering) CCD is old tech and as far as large sensor (?) are you kidding? How would you expect Apple to cram a bigger chip into a phone while also compensating for a huge power draw? Maybe we need brick sized battery adapters as well. I have $5k cameras that still only have a 1/3rd" chips in them. Zeiss glass? If you think a lens the size or an eraser head will take better pictures because it's made out of Zeiss glass you're an idiot. Not to mention a zoom lens? What is the point of 2x zoom? That's all you will ever get if they can even fit that in there. Just take 2 steps forward. I suppose you'd like a giant 80-200mm f/2.8 lens on the iphone as well.
You are very typical of a person talking about things they have no knowledge of. You are arrogant to say the least Just another consumer begging for features they don't understand. Buy a CAMERA and don't try using it to make phone calls.
...most of those pictures end up being ugly and unflattering pictures to look at. ...
I'm not a big flash user either.
Can anyone say how well the lenses on those phones stack up?
A more sensitive chip is all very well, but - leaving cost aside - a better lens will make a better difference to the picture quality (as well as reduce the need for flash).
Apple ruined Safari with their copy-paste implementation. Pages are no more scrollable. Now that's me being a whiner.
How is it not scrollable?
Under most circumstances, camera flash is a horrible source of light.
What about fill-flash, where the background is bright, but the person is in shade or because the camera is using an average exposure that's too dark for people's faces outside...would that be acceptable use of a flash? Also, even in some situations where the light is not that dark to our eyes, it's not bright enough for the tiny lens in a cell phone.