Wow! Someone not get hired as a marketer and bitter?
Way to miss the point! I haven't tried to get a job as a marketer. I'm an engineer. Were I to be offered a job in market research, I would turn it down. Were I offered the choice between market analyst or jail, I might take jail. However, being an engineer, I am acutely aware that what *I* want and what the general public wants are often distinct and different.
I just wonder what it is about some people that makes them think that their off-the-cuff, self-centered market analysis is somehow better than Apple's. Apple has 30 Billion dollars in the bank, which means that not only can they afford to hire real market analysts, but clearly they've been doing something right already. Perhaps it's worth waiting to see what it is before dismissing it as unsellable?
You Apple apologists are hilarious. This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so, no, it won't be running any of the current Mac OS X desktop applications. It would require, at a minimum, an Intel Atom processor to do so. If this device indeed is targeted for the iPhone OS, then this will be a cloud device with limited usefulness beyond Internet-based applications and basic file readers. It won't run iPhoto, iMovie, or any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC. Price point wise I think you are going to see a price in the mid $800s or low $900s. Remember, without a subsidy, the iPhone is a $600 device, and this device will be a lot bigger than an iPhone, hence its parts will be more expensive.
If this device is really based on iPhone OS (which I really hope its not) then a price war will break out with Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price. Also remember this device is coming out at a time when most people feel the economy is in the dumps and aren't willing to spend more than $300 on a computer (hence the popularity of netbooks).
People are looking for an all-in-one device, not another gadget that they will have to carry around.
I hope I, and the M-H CEO are wrong. I want this to be a full-fledged, first-class device on par with at least the Mac Mini (although with a dual-core Intel Atom and NVIDIA ION graphics). Otherwise it will be just another niche tablet device destined for the fate of its predecessors.
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the tablet will run the iPhone OS and not OS X. The tablet, by its very nature, is not suited to running programs that make sense on a laptop or destop.
It's simple, really. Set up the device to run Mac OS and inevitably there are fools out in the wild who try to run programs on the device which it simply can't run at all well. They will then complain that the thing isn't working well.
Instead, Apple will deliberately limit the tablet to the tasks for which it is suited, which are many.
Many have complained that if the Tablet is a Touch with a larger screen, they'll be disappointed. Prepare to be disappointed. But it should be noted that the good news is that being as the tablet will not be designed to replace a full-feature laptop, it will be priced accordingly, i.e. below $700.
My guess is a 7-inch screen to achieve the desired price point, as opposed to the rumoured 10-inch screen. $500 would be a good long-term price target with a price a little higher likely to start. Two memory capacities and you've got price points between the Touch and a MacBook covered.
Don't think of it as merely a bigger Touch. Think of it as a great portable device for browsing, reading, gaming, organizing, notetaking, viewing movies, sharing photos, and so on. This is all stuff that you can do more or less now with a Touch but the screen is just too small to do all of the above comfortably. The tablet would change all of that. Combine that with a price below $700 and Apple won't be able to build them fast enough.
Those complaining because the device can't run Mac OS will only be making fools of themselves in that it will in no way hinder this unit's marketability.
You Apple apologists are hilarious. This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so, no, it won't be running any of the current Mac OS X desktop applications. It would require, at a minimum, an Intel Atom processor to do so. If this device indeed is targeted for the iPhone OS, then this will be a cloud device with limited usefulness beyond Internet-based applications and basic file readers. It won't run iPhoto, iMovie, or any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC. Price point wise I think you are going to see a price in the mid $800s or low $900s. Remember, without a subsidy, the iPhone is a $600 device, and this device will be a lot bigger than an iPhone, hence its parts will be more expensive.
If this device is really based on iPhone OS (which I really hope its not) then a price war will break out with Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price. Also remember this device is coming out at a time when most people feel the economy is in the dumps and aren't willing to spend more than $300 on a computer (hence the popularity of netbooks).
People are looking for an all-in-one device, not another gadget that they will have to carry around.
I hope I, and the M-H CEO are wrong. I want this to be a full-fledged, first-class device on par with at least the Mac Mini (although with a dual-core Intel Atom and NVIDIA ION graphics). Otherwise it will be just another niche tablet device destined for the fate of its predecessors.
Apps for the iPhone already allow audio and video editing to a degree and they are getting better. It is already possible to have a lite version of iMovie, iPhoto, Keynote, and other apps (hopefully Apple will release these today). Full Mac OS isn't necessary and it will be a powerful device that the Linux and other devices won't be able to touch for some time.
This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so, no, it won't be running any of the current Mac OS X desktop applications. It would require, at a minimum, an Intel Atom processor to do so. If this device indeed is targeted for the iPhone OS, then this will be a cloud device with limited usefulness beyond Internet-based applications and basic file readers. It won't run iPhoto, iMovie, or any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC. Price point wise I think you are going to see a price in the mid $800s or low $900s. Remember, without a subsidy, the iPhone is a $600 device, and this device will be a lot bigger than an iPhone, hence its parts will be more expensive.
Uh, you know that Apple has the source code to "iPhoto, iMovie, [and] any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC"? That there is core expertise on staff with a proven track record porting to other devices (PowerPC to Intel wasn't childs play until Apple made it childs play with the universal binary)?
In one respect you are right that they won't be the same as this device will need to use a touch-based UI (hmm, does Apple have a touch-based UI?). What you are missing is that Apple wouldn't release a tablet without thoroughly resolving the UX issues that have plagued other tablets (including the one Ballmer demoed at CES earlier this month).
Your comments on the pricing for this IMO are right on the mark. Without implementing a serious subsidy related to a 3G cellular data contract, this is not going to be the proverbial impulse buy that some are hoping.
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Originally Posted by trboyden
If this device is really based on iPhone OS (which I really hope its not) then a price war will break out with Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price. Also remember this device is coming out at a time when most people feel the economy is in the dumps and aren't willing to spend more than $300 on a computer (hence the popularity of netbooks).
People are looking for an all-in-one device, not another gadget that they will have to carry around.
The "Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price" all have sh1t for their UX design. It's not enough to sell a cheap tablet that nobody wants to use. The difference between this and all the other tablet form factors that came before will be the UX that only Apple seems to be able to consistently deliver*. All of the compromises that other manufacturers make wind up turning all of other tablets into crap gizmos. The difference is that Steve Jobs wouldn't allow that kind of device to ship with the Apple logo on the back.
*It's not that other companies couldn't deliver on this, it's just that they don't.
The SarcMark can't come soon enough, until then we'll have to settle with emoticons.
That was never an issue with Ethiopic languages, though I've never known an Ethiopian to be sarcastic, so it might be a bit of a waste in their punctuation.
You Apple apologists are hilarious. This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so...
Um, nothing screams apologist than thinking that the well established and commercially viable chips are going to scraped for a some one-off design by a company Apple bought less than 2 years ago. The simpler outcome is that Apple uses the lower-power ARM Cortex optimized by the acquired staff of PA Semi, not a new chip that best ARMs from a company that has only been producing PowerPC.
Steve. Was this using safari that plays any codec. How much was it. Tell me it was not between $699-999, plus$30 a month for access and limited only to iTunes apps and movies. Thanks
I know I know. We want isx lite. Please. Even if you read Klingon and have purchased everything from them, don't buy a giant tied down iPod no matter how shiny or sweaty it makes you. Lol
Apps for the iPhone already allow audio and video editing to a degree and they are getting better. It is already possible to have a lite version of iMovie, iPhoto, Keynote, and other apps (hopefully Apple will release these today). Full Mac OS isn't necessary and it will be a powerful device that the Linux and other devices won't be able to touch for some time.
But will you be able to watch ABC Lost for free or MLB when they have free non YouTube games. Will it open pages, keynote.
Hmm, and yet there it is, an underpowered 1 GHz Apple A4 processor courtesy of PA Semi...
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Um, nothing screams apologist than thinking that the well established and commercially viable chips are going to scraped for a some one-off design by a company Apple bought less than 2 years ago. The simpler outcome is that Apple uses the lower-power ARM Cortex optimized by the acquired staff of PA Semi, not a new chip that best ARMs from a company that has only been producing PowerPC.
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A glorified iPhone for $999 is exactly what people with too much money to spend are looking for.
Truly revolutionary stuff so far.
A touchscreen?!!!!!
An advanced e-reader? NO WAY!
Who's gonna pull out a maxi iPhone on the NYC subway?
Those Californians- what were they thinking?
And he lives today!!! (Not sure about tomorrow.)
Wow! Someone not get hired as a marketer and bitter?
Way to miss the point! I haven't tried to get a job as a marketer. I'm an engineer. Were I to be offered a job in market research, I would turn it down. Were I offered the choice between market analyst or jail, I might take jail. However, being an engineer, I am acutely aware that what *I* want and what the general public wants are often distinct and different.
I just wonder what it is about some people that makes them think that their off-the-cuff, self-centered market analysis is somehow better than Apple's. Apple has 30 Billion dollars in the bank, which means that not only can they afford to hire real market analysts, but clearly they've been doing something right already. Perhaps it's worth waiting to see what it is before dismissing it as unsellable?
iPhone OS is OS X - it's just not MacOS X
MacOS X uses Cocoa
iPhone OS uses Cocoa Touch
Which one did you think a touch based tabled would be based on?
iPhone OS isn't the best name since it runs on more than the iPhone- call it "Touch OS X" vs "Mac OS X"
i wish i could promote this comment
If this device is really based on iPhone OS (which I really hope its not) then a price war will break out with Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price. Also remember this device is coming out at a time when most people feel the economy is in the dumps and aren't willing to spend more than $300 on a computer (hence the popularity of netbooks).
People are looking for an all-in-one device, not another gadget that they will have to carry around.
I hope I, and the M-H CEO are wrong. I want this to be a full-fledged, first-class device on par with at least the Mac Mini (although with a dual-core Intel Atom and NVIDIA ION graphics). Otherwise it will be just another niche tablet device destined for the fate of its predecessors.
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the tablet will run the iPhone OS and not OS X. The tablet, by its very nature, is not suited to running programs that make sense on a laptop or destop.
It's simple, really. Set up the device to run Mac OS and inevitably there are fools out in the wild who try to run programs on the device which it simply can't run at all well. They will then complain that the thing isn't working well.
Instead, Apple will deliberately limit the tablet to the tasks for which it is suited, which are many.
Many have complained that if the Tablet is a Touch with a larger screen, they'll be disappointed. Prepare to be disappointed. But it should be noted that the good news is that being as the tablet will not be designed to replace a full-feature laptop, it will be priced accordingly, i.e. below $700.
My guess is a 7-inch screen to achieve the desired price point, as opposed to the rumoured 10-inch screen. $500 would be a good long-term price target with a price a little higher likely to start. Two memory capacities and you've got price points between the Touch and a MacBook covered.
Don't think of it as merely a bigger Touch. Think of it as a great portable device for browsing, reading, gaming, organizing, notetaking, viewing movies, sharing photos, and so on. This is all stuff that you can do more or less now with a Touch but the screen is just too small to do all of the above comfortably. The tablet would change all of that. Combine that with a price below $700 and Apple won't be able to build them fast enough.
Those complaining because the device can't run Mac OS will only be making fools of themselves in that it will in no way hinder this unit's marketability.
A jumbo Touch a game-changing device?
Bet on it.
I believe this will be a FAIL event.
Nah, it will be a SUCCESS. Ironic, no?
In case you haven't found it, there is a special thread already set up for whining!
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=106528
Cool. Everyone please head out there at 11.01 AM PST.
You Apple apologists are hilarious. This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so, no, it won't be running any of the current Mac OS X desktop applications. It would require, at a minimum, an Intel Atom processor to do so. If this device indeed is targeted for the iPhone OS, then this will be a cloud device with limited usefulness beyond Internet-based applications and basic file readers. It won't run iPhoto, iMovie, or any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC. Price point wise I think you are going to see a price in the mid $800s or low $900s. Remember, without a subsidy, the iPhone is a $600 device, and this device will be a lot bigger than an iPhone, hence its parts will be more expensive.
If this device is really based on iPhone OS (which I really hope its not) then a price war will break out with Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price. Also remember this device is coming out at a time when most people feel the economy is in the dumps and aren't willing to spend more than $300 on a computer (hence the popularity of netbooks).
People are looking for an all-in-one device, not another gadget that they will have to carry around.
I hope I, and the M-H CEO are wrong. I want this to be a full-fledged, first-class device on par with at least the Mac Mini (although with a dual-core Intel Atom and NVIDIA ION graphics). Otherwise it will be just another niche tablet device destined for the fate of its predecessors.
Apps for the iPhone already allow audio and video editing to a degree and they are getting better. It is already possible to have a lite version of iMovie, iPhoto, Keynote, and other apps (hopefully Apple will release these today). Full Mac OS isn't necessary and it will be a powerful device that the Linux and other devices won't be able to touch for some time.
The iPhone and iPod touch were such failures.
WAT??
This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so, no, it won't be running any of the current Mac OS X desktop applications. It would require, at a minimum, an Intel Atom processor to do so. If this device indeed is targeted for the iPhone OS, then this will be a cloud device with limited usefulness beyond Internet-based applications and basic file readers. It won't run iPhoto, iMovie, or any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC. Price point wise I think you are going to see a price in the mid $800s or low $900s. Remember, without a subsidy, the iPhone is a $600 device, and this device will be a lot bigger than an iPhone, hence its parts will be more expensive.
Uh, you know that Apple has the source code to "iPhoto, iMovie, [and] any of the other popular Mac OS X desktop applications that differentiate Apple's devices from your generic Windows-based PC"? That there is core expertise on staff with a proven track record porting to other devices (PowerPC to Intel wasn't childs play until Apple made it childs play with the universal binary)?
In one respect you are right that they won't be the same as this device will need to use a touch-based UI (hmm, does Apple have a touch-based UI?). What you are missing is that Apple wouldn't release a tablet without thoroughly resolving the UX issues that have plagued other tablets (including the one Ballmer demoed at CES earlier this month).
Your comments on the pricing for this IMO are right on the mark. Without implementing a serious subsidy related to a 3G cellular data contract, this is not going to be the proverbial impulse buy that some are hoping.
If this device is really based on iPhone OS (which I really hope its not) then a price war will break out with Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price. Also remember this device is coming out at a time when most people feel the economy is in the dumps and aren't willing to spend more than $300 on a computer (hence the popularity of netbooks).
People are looking for an all-in-one device, not another gadget that they will have to carry around.
The "Linux-based devices that have similar capabilities and that can be sold at a much cheaper price" all have sh1t for their UX design. It's not enough to sell a cheap tablet that nobody wants to use. The difference between this and all the other tablet form factors that came before will be the UX that only Apple seems to be able to consistently deliver*. All of the compromises that other manufacturers make wind up turning all of other tablets into crap gizmos. The difference is that Steve Jobs wouldn't allow that kind of device to ship with the Apple logo on the back.
* It's not that other companies couldn't deliver on this, it's just that they don't.
WAT??
I was pretty obviously joking.
I was pretty obviously joking.
The SarcMark can't come soon enough, until then we'll have to settle with emoticons.
That was never an issue with Ethiopic languages, though I've never known an Ethiopian to be sarcastic, so it might be a bit of a waste in their punctuation.
You Apple apologists are hilarious. This device will most likely be running a PA Semi processor so...
Um, nothing screams apologist than thinking that the well established and commercially viable chips are going to scraped for a some one-off design by a company Apple bought less than 2 years ago. The simpler outcome is that Apple uses the lower-power ARM Cortex optimized by the acquired staff of PA Semi, not a new chip that best ARMs from a company that has only been producing PowerPC.
Steve
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Steve. Was this using safari that plays any codec. How much was it. Tell me it was not between $699-999, plus$30 a month for access and limited only to iTunes apps and movies. Thanks
Signed, many concern citizens.
I believe this will be a FAIL event.
I know I know. We want isx lite. Please. Even if you read Klingon and have purchased everything from them, don't buy a giant tied down iPod no matter how shiny or sweaty it makes you. Lol
Apps for the iPhone already allow audio and video editing to a degree and they are getting better. It is already possible to have a lite version of iMovie, iPhoto, Keynote, and other apps (hopefully Apple will release these today). Full Mac OS isn't necessary and it will be a powerful device that the Linux and other devices won't be able to touch for some time.
But will you be able to watch ABC Lost for free or MLB when they have free non YouTube games. Will it open pages, keynote.
Or maybe his corporate attorney informed him of his mistake and he asked the networks to pull the interview.
Good point.
Um, nothing screams apologist than thinking that the well established and commercially viable chips are going to scraped for a some one-off design by a company Apple bought less than 2 years ago. The simpler outcome is that Apple uses the lower-power ARM Cortex optimized by the acquired staff of PA Semi, not a new chip that best ARMs from a company that has only been producing PowerPC.