Perhaps. That's one reason why I got a Dell laptop instead of an Apple: Apple doesn't offer 1080p screens.
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Originally Posted by addabox
Just like the iPhone, the iPad's screen is pretty much the device, and four times the screen real estate translates into a completely different experience.
I'm prone to agree. I'm pretty surprised that Apple does not offer 1080p on its laptops. My Dell gives me a completely different (and better) experience.
Gee, whatta you know? iGenius is right, and all that crap about "needing" the bezel for your thumbs is just lame justification by people dazzled by teh shiny.
The bezel is there because all that fancy sensing technology in the Apple patents we all read about didn't make it into the iPad.
In fact no new sensing tech made it into the iPad. Nothing. Nada. It's multitouch exactly the same as an iPod touch. It's a bigger iPod touch with an emphasis on eBooks.
I am getting used to it and will likely buy one or two, but let's get real.
It's not a "revolutionary" device.
It does nothing different from the iPod and iPhone.
It's just bigger.
The huge bezel is there because on average consumers are clumsy fools and can't be expected to always hold the pad in a way where they aren't touching the screen. In other words it's a dumbed down solution for the average idiot because none of the fancy technology was ready for prime time yet.
Because it's bigger it actually has *less* functionality than an iPod or iPhone in that you cannot thumb type on it.
Therefore one of the biggest drawbacks of tablets, (that has always plagued the category in general), still exists on the iPad. You can't use it standing up unless you poke at it with one finger. You therefore can't type on it or do any data entry of any use, standing up. In fact, you can't type on it effectively at all, unless you lie it on a table, or have a couch or bed handy. It will be difficult to type on it on the train, or on the bus. It won't work very well on your lap while the bus is moving. It wasn't coincidence that Jobs demonstrated it's use from a couch with the device resting on his legs that were propped up. That's the only way it really works.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
IMO this is a colossal design flaw and a big mistake from Apple. Apple *does* make mistakes you know.
You're really on the edge of being totally uninteresting. To say its nothing different from the iPhone is so shortsighted, it's pretty much troll worthy.
All these geniuses can portend to see the future of the iPad all that they want... only time will really tell. Personally, I believe that Apple wanted to open up a new market and they don't really give a rat's behind if their current computer market delves into the iPad wholeheartedly or not. Apple is hoping to enter a new market with a new crowd (imo). If the old crowd comes along for the ride... great. If they don't... unfortunate, but still great. How many ipod users do you think owned a Mac. So, criticize away... if Apple had listened to all of you great visionaries I'm sure they would have disappeared long ago.
I disagree, this is a home device for those who don't want a computer in the living room, but do wanna browse, listen to music and check their email while reading the odd article.
It will have a niche market in business, that it's not aimed squarely at the business market is it's main strength in marketing, and why all others have failed.
IMO, it'll have deep use for students, travelers, business and sales prentations, people who do polling or surveys, medical professionals... I could go on. Many of the same audience for iPhone and iPod touch will want one, but now a whole new range of buyers is open to consider the iPad.
I think we'll be hitting AAPL $250 within 6 months.
I have to disagree. I cannot count how many times I have had to use a USB drive to get the latest edits from a colleague on the road or transfer something to the drive to share or print at Kinkos. USB support offers convenience and I don't have to ask person A if their laptop supports it or they if mine supports its. We just plug the drive in, copy and the world is happy. That is easy and easy sells.
Precisely. Having a USB port on the iPad would allow the use of a USB headset, for example, to make Skype calls, even when you're using a BT keyboard. Connect a camera or camcorder. USB thumb drive. Game controllers. Printers. The list is endless because the world connects via USB.
Apple should know better - they started the USB IO revolution.
This is not an iPad thing; to me, this is an Apple thing. The MacBook Air is basically the world's most expensive USB port. External IO came off the iPods of the past. Little remains on the iPhones of today. And now on a device that Apple could potentially sell more of than anything else they've ever manufactured in their history, they deliver it with stripped down connectivity as well.
Controlling the IO allows Apple to control the how, why and when the external world interfaces with that piece of equipment we just purchased - if indeed the device will interface with it to begin with! Their justification is always that it "enables a better user experience." The real reason is simple: $$$$$.
Control enables Apple to extract additional money from their market supplier ecosystem, which in turn, naturally, leads to higher prices for stuff we buy. Because of all the restrictions, rules and regulations imposed on suppliers, there's a smaller number of them and thus, a lower overall volume and choice of peripherals. Our opportunities and choices get limited.
In reality, this control ends up limiting the user experience. But the reality distortion cloud is thick.
Precisely. Having a USB port on the iPad would allow the use of a USB headset, for example, to make Skype calls, even when you're using a BT keyboard. Connect a camera or camcorder. USB thumb drive. Game controllers. Printers. The list is endless because the world connects via USB.
Free the iPad!
Is it possible for manufacturers to use the 30-pin connector to get around the lack of a USB?
(I like the "Free the iPad!" quote, so I left that in...)
Is it possible for manufacturers to use the 30-pin connector to get around the lack of a USB?
(I like the "Free the iPad!" quote, so I left that in...)
Thanks for the kind words!
Nope, Apple locks that down. You cannot, as an example, plug directly into a printer, a USB enabled mixer, headphones, external storage, et al. It's strictly meant as an interface from the little Apple world of the device to the big Apple world of iTunes in the sky.
iPad is wholly dependent upon another computer. That's what keeps it from being "revolutionary," and simply a great big huge iPod Touch with better software. Because it must have another computer to fulfill itself bums me out.
That the iPad cannot stand on it's own is it's weakest technological point, I think. Someone on MacInTouch wrote it most succinctly: Too much Touch, not enough Mac. I could not have said it better.
Perhaps. That's one reason why I got a Dell laptop instead of an Apple: Apple doesn't offer 1080p screens.
I'm prone to agree. I'm pretty surprised that Apple does not offer 1080p on its laptops. My Dell gives me a completely different (and better) experience.
Almost completely. Unless you're in the video editing business, there's really no need to tote around an LCD with 1080p resolution. You can't sit far enough away from it to enjoy the resolution and still see what the hell's going on.
I have a 50 inch HDTV at home, so there's no reason at all to watch a movie on a tiny little laptop screen.
For an instrument like an iPad or the equally crippled MacBook Air, a 1080p video file simply absorbs too much space in storage.
I strongly urge iGenius to enjoy his Dell and the total magnificence that is Windows 7. And of course, I mean that sincerely, I really really do
Have you guys turned from journalism to propaganda?
That stupid blurb about "80s style file system" is a joke.
A file system (like a decent object data store) allows you to group things together that belong together. What matters is not the apps you work with, but the data. The app should basically disappear.
If the iPad were revolutionary, apps would only be seen in the app store, as something you install, and somewhere in the system settings, with an installation receipt, and a settings section.
Other than that, there should be documents, in a file system that you can organize according to your needs. I mean, is your kitchen cabinet organized with a cabinet for each vendor (Heinz, Kraft, DelMonte), or do you sort by dry goods (pasta, rice), things to be refrigerated (milk, cheese), canned goods (beans, etc.)?
Documents should be grouped by project, date, etc. not by the application that happens to work on it. Just because Project A involves correspondence (Pages) and some calculations (Numbers), and a presentation (Keynote), and maybe some product pictures (Photos), shouldn't mean that that information is scattered all over the device in application specific databases.
Instead you want to see all your project related information at one spot. Intelligent preview functionality should allow you QuickLook like access to all information in one place. If you want to edit anything, you could hit a "modify" button in the QuickLook preview, and the document automatically opens up in the app in question. If you want to add a document to the project, a new document gesture should allow you to do that, and then prompt you to ask what kind of document you want to create.
Opening an app is not something that is a forward looking metaphor, it's backwards, and reminds me of the MS-DOS days, or the C-64, where I had to load an app, and then maybe I could access the data somehow...
Not for text. You'll need a separate keyboard to do anything serious.
There was a best seller in Japan that was written entirely on a cell-phone.
I wrote the entire text (87 pages) for a major project on my iPhone while sitting on trains and only did the layout later on my Mac. Using a different app (Zeptopad) I even tossed together a 10-page presentation in PDF format that was requested over lunch, to be handed in the next day. I gave it to them mid-afternoon the same day by mailing the images, which they printed.
It's possible.
The iPad, with iWork, will do pretty well with text as he is asking. Layout will be finger-swiping good. Typing, that will take a little practice, but the keyboard is much larger than on an iPhone and should be pretty easy to use. Try printing out something similar to the images on Apple's page; draw a box the size of the screen, add in your keyboard letters and print. Try typing on it; it's easy.
A file system (like a decent object data store) allows you to group things together that belong together. What matters is not the apps you work with, but the data. The app should basically disappear.
If the iPad were revolutionary, apps would only be seen in the app store, as something you install, and somewhere in the system settings, with an installation receipt, and a settings section.
Agreed. Absolutely. One of the single most convenient elements of a computer is having a folder that contains all the data that might be included in some project - such as a brochure, where an Excel spreadsheet you received from your engineering group holds some data; an Excel spreadsheet from the finance team holds other information; copies of all the individual images used in the brochure; and, snippets of email, quotes, and other key data sources used in the body of the document.
Using the "revolutionary" file mismanagement system of the iPad, I now must remember the exact file name of each image in every damn project ever done, so I can locate it in the fabulous "media browser."
Talk about a time sink. Spreadsheets are attached to email (not even it's actual application!) which may or may not still exist in Mail over time; everything else is scattered about. Who can remember all this crap? I thought that's what computers were for, to make this stuff easier, not harder.
This is not a better system. This is simply easier for Apple and perhaps their developers to execute, launch and maintain, not easier for the users. Such restrictions simply add to the mountain of limitations already being imposed on the iPad by it's creator.
This is not a better system. This is simply easier for Apple and perhaps their developers to execute, launch and maintain, not easier for the users. Such restrictions simply add to the mountain of limitations already being imposed on the iPad by it's creator.
Free the iPad!!!!
What always amazes me is the amount of rhetoric and extrapolation people are willing to do from a limited demo on a product that is not yet shipping.
This is Apple we are talking about, not Microsoft - it's a safe bet we have only seen the surface of how file organization works.
In other words, calm down - there will be plenty of time to break out the torches and pitchforks if it is indeed lacking.
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Bigger is, literally, materially different.
Perhaps. That's one reason why I got a Dell laptop instead of an Apple: Apple doesn't offer 1080p screens.
Just like the iPhone, the iPad's screen is pretty much the device, and four times the screen real estate translates into a completely different experience.
I'm prone to agree. I'm pretty surprised that Apple does not offer 1080p on its laptops. My Dell gives me a completely different (and better) experience.
Pardon me, but if the bezel wasn't wide enough to grasp with your hand, the result would be chaos, since the display is the UI.
But nobody proposed that the bezel should be insuffiently wide.
Let's settle this once and for all.
Gee, whatta you know? iGenius is right, and all that crap about "needing" the bezel for your thumbs is just lame justification by people dazzled by teh shiny.
The bezel is there because all that fancy sensing technology in the Apple patents we all read about didn't make it into the iPad.
In fact no new sensing tech made it into the iPad. Nothing. Nada. It's multitouch exactly the same as an iPod touch. It's a bigger iPod touch with an emphasis on eBooks.
I am getting used to it and will likely buy one or two, but let's get real.
- It's not a "revolutionary" device.
- It does nothing different from the iPod and iPhone.
- It's just bigger.
The huge bezel is there because on average consumers are clumsy fools and can't be expected to always hold the pad in a way where they aren't touching the screen. In other words it's a dumbed down solution for the average idiot because none of the fancy technology was ready for prime time yet.Because it's bigger it actually has *less* functionality than an iPod or iPhone in that you cannot thumb type on it.
Therefore one of the biggest drawbacks of tablets, (that has always plagued the category in general), still exists on the iPad. You can't use it standing up unless you poke at it with one finger. You therefore can't type on it or do any data entry of any use, standing up. In fact, you can't type on it effectively at all, unless you lie it on a table, or have a couch or bed handy. It will be difficult to type on it on the train, or on the bus. It won't work very well on your lap while the bus is moving. It wasn't coincidence that Jobs demonstrated it's use from a couch with the device resting on his legs that were propped up. That's the only way it really works.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
IMO this is a colossal design flaw and a big mistake from Apple. Apple *does* make mistakes you know.
You're really on the edge of being totally uninteresting. To say its nothing different from the iPhone is so shortsighted, it's pretty much troll worthy.
I disagree, this is a home device for those who don't want a computer in the living room, but do wanna browse, listen to music and check their email while reading the odd article.
It will have a niche market in business, that it's not aimed squarely at the business market is it's main strength in marketing, and why all others have failed.
IMO, it'll have deep use for students, travelers, business and sales prentations, people who do polling or surveys, medical professionals... I could go on. Many of the same audience for iPhone and iPod touch will want one, but now a whole new range of buyers is open to consider the iPad.
I think we'll be hitting AAPL $250 within 6 months.
I have to disagree. I cannot count how many times I have had to use a USB drive to get the latest edits from a colleague on the road or transfer something to the drive to share or print at Kinkos. USB support offers convenience and I don't have to ask person A if their laptop supports it or they if mine supports its. We just plug the drive in, copy and the world is happy. That is easy and easy sells.
Precisely. Having a USB port on the iPad would allow the use of a USB headset, for example, to make Skype calls, even when you're using a BT keyboard. Connect a camera or camcorder. USB thumb drive. Game controllers. Printers. The list is endless because the world connects via USB.
Apple should know better - they started the USB IO revolution.
This is not an iPad thing; to me, this is an Apple thing. The MacBook Air is basically the world's most expensive USB port. External IO came off the iPods of the past. Little remains on the iPhones of today. And now on a device that Apple could potentially sell more of than anything else they've ever manufactured in their history, they deliver it with stripped down connectivity as well.
Controlling the IO allows Apple to control the how, why and when the external world interfaces with that piece of equipment we just purchased - if indeed the device will interface with it to begin with! Their justification is always that it "enables a better user experience." The real reason is simple: $$$$$.
Control enables Apple to extract additional money from their market supplier ecosystem, which in turn, naturally, leads to higher prices for stuff we buy. Because of all the restrictions, rules and regulations imposed on suppliers, there's a smaller number of them and thus, a lower overall volume and choice of peripherals. Our opportunities and choices get limited.
In reality, this control ends up limiting the user experience. But the reality distortion cloud is thick.
Free the iPad!
Precisely. Having a USB port on the iPad would allow the use of a USB headset, for example, to make Skype calls, even when you're using a BT keyboard. Connect a camera or camcorder. USB thumb drive. Game controllers. Printers. The list is endless because the world connects via USB.
Free the iPad!
Is it possible for manufacturers to use the 30-pin connector to get around the lack of a USB?
(I like the "Free the iPad!" quote, so I left that in...)
Is it possible for manufacturers to use the 30-pin connector to get around the lack of a USB?
Isn't it already a USB connector? Plugging an iPhone or iPod into a Mac with the cable goes where?
[1] You can
[2] Right out of the box you will be able to install and run your iPod/iPhone apps
I know, but I want Stanza and CBR application optimized for iPad screen, not double-pixel stretched. They should appear soon enough, thought.
Is it possible for manufacturers to use the 30-pin connector to get around the lack of a USB?
(I like the "Free the iPad!" quote, so I left that in...)
Thanks for the kind words!
Nope, Apple locks that down. You cannot, as an example, plug directly into a printer, a USB enabled mixer, headphones, external storage, et al. It's strictly meant as an interface from the little Apple world of the device to the big Apple world of iTunes in the sky.
iPad is wholly dependent upon another computer. That's what keeps it from being "revolutionary," and simply a great big huge iPod Touch with better software. Because it must have another computer to fulfill itself bums me out.
That the iPad cannot stand on it's own is it's weakest technological point, I think. Someone on MacInTouch wrote it most succinctly: Too much Touch, not enough Mac. I could not have said it better.
Free the iPad!
Perhaps. That's one reason why I got a Dell laptop instead of an Apple: Apple doesn't offer 1080p screens.
I'm prone to agree. I'm pretty surprised that Apple does not offer 1080p on its laptops. My Dell gives me a completely different (and better) experience.
bullshit
a 1080 screen is useless on a laptop
apple play back kills dells playback
'and dude why are you even here ??
you hate apple so much
a 1080 screen is useless on a laptop
Almost completely. Unless you're in the video editing business, there's really no need to tote around an LCD with 1080p resolution. You can't sit far enough away from it to enjoy the resolution and still see what the hell's going on.
I have a 50 inch HDTV at home, so there's no reason at all to watch a movie on a tiny little laptop screen.
For an instrument like an iPad or the equally crippled MacBook Air, a 1080p video file simply absorbs too much space in storage.
I strongly urge iGenius to enjoy his Dell and the total magnificence that is Windows 7. And of course, I mean that sincerely, I really really do
Can't access Active-X or Sharepoint properly from corporate world.
Active-X is dying faster than flash (still not fast enough).
And check this: http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/index.p...arepoint_2010/
"SharePoint 2010 upgrades Firefox and Safari to Tier 1 browsers."
That means same experience as IE. Also same thing applies to Outlook Web Access for Exchange 2010.
Who knew you can teach an old dog new tricks.
If I need to work on text files and pictures on the move, is the iPad a nice lightweight solution for this ?
That stupid blurb about "80s style file system" is a joke.
A file system (like a decent object data store) allows you to group things together that belong together. What matters is not the apps you work with, but the data. The app should basically disappear.
If the iPad were revolutionary, apps would only be seen in the app store, as something you install, and somewhere in the system settings, with an installation receipt, and a settings section.
Other than that, there should be documents, in a file system that you can organize according to your needs. I mean, is your kitchen cabinet organized with a cabinet for each vendor (Heinz, Kraft, DelMonte), or do you sort by dry goods (pasta, rice), things to be refrigerated (milk, cheese), canned goods (beans, etc.)?
Documents should be grouped by project, date, etc. not by the application that happens to work on it. Just because Project A involves correspondence (Pages) and some calculations (Numbers), and a presentation (Keynote), and maybe some product pictures (Photos), shouldn't mean that that information is scattered all over the device in application specific databases.
Instead you want to see all your project related information at one spot. Intelligent preview functionality should allow you QuickLook like access to all information in one place. If you want to edit anything, you could hit a "modify" button in the QuickLook preview, and the document automatically opens up in the app in question. If you want to add a document to the project, a new document gesture should allow you to do that, and then prompt you to ask what kind of document you want to create.
Opening an app is not something that is a forward looking metaphor, it's backwards, and reminds me of the MS-DOS days, or the C-64, where I had to load an app, and then maybe I could access the data somehow...
a 1080 screen is useless on a laptop
apple play back kills dells playback
Why is 1080p useless on a laptop? It is very crisp. And I can play BluRay at full def.
Just wondering : sometimes I need my computer with me but don't want to have the hassle of lugging a 6 pounds computer with powerplug and so on.
If I need to work on text files and pictures on the move, is the iPad a nice lightweight solution for this ?
Not for text. You'll need a separate keyboard to do anything serious.
Not for text. You'll need a separate keyboard to do anything serious.
There was a best seller in Japan that was written entirely on a cell-phone.
I wrote the entire text (87 pages) for a major project on my iPhone while sitting on trains and only did the layout later on my Mac. Using a different app (Zeptopad) I even tossed together a 10-page presentation in PDF format that was requested over lunch, to be handed in the next day. I gave it to them mid-afternoon the same day by mailing the images, which they printed.
It's possible.
The iPad, with iWork, will do pretty well with text as he is asking. Layout will be finger-swiping good. Typing, that will take a little practice, but the keyboard is much larger than on an iPhone and should be pretty easy to use. Try printing out something similar to the images on Apple's page; draw a box the size of the screen, add in your keyboard letters and print. Try typing on it; it's easy.
A file system (like a decent object data store) allows you to group things together that belong together. What matters is not the apps you work with, but the data. The app should basically disappear.
If the iPad were revolutionary, apps would only be seen in the app store, as something you install, and somewhere in the system settings, with an installation receipt, and a settings section.
Agreed. Absolutely. One of the single most convenient elements of a computer is having a folder that contains all the data that might be included in some project - such as a brochure, where an Excel spreadsheet you received from your engineering group holds some data; an Excel spreadsheet from the finance team holds other information; copies of all the individual images used in the brochure; and, snippets of email, quotes, and other key data sources used in the body of the document.
Using the "revolutionary" file mismanagement system of the iPad, I now must remember the exact file name of each image in every damn project ever done, so I can locate it in the fabulous "media browser."
Talk about a time sink. Spreadsheets are attached to email (not even it's actual application!) which may or may not still exist in Mail over time; everything else is scattered about. Who can remember all this crap? I thought that's what computers were for, to make this stuff easier, not harder.
This is not a better system. This is simply easier for Apple and perhaps their developers to execute, launch and maintain, not easier for the users. Such restrictions simply add to the mountain of limitations already being imposed on the iPad by it's creator.
Free the iPad!!!!
This is not a better system. This is simply easier for Apple and perhaps their developers to execute, launch and maintain, not easier for the users. Such restrictions simply add to the mountain of limitations already being imposed on the iPad by it's creator.
Free the iPad!!!!
What always amazes me is the amount of rhetoric and extrapolation people are willing to do from a limited demo on a product that is not yet shipping.
This is Apple we are talking about, not Microsoft - it's a safe bet we have only seen the surface of how file organization works.
In other words, calm down - there will be plenty of time to break out the torches and pitchforks if it is indeed lacking.