Yea and one needs to evaluate how much data they would be using, i.e, 250mg or unlimited 3G ATT plan plus the 3G is PER unit or iPad. With MifI 2200 currently from Sprint or Verizon, one could justify the WiFi only iPad, purchase a 250mg Verizon MiFi plan (currently 39.95) and have up to 5 devices connect to it wirelessly. You really have to evaluate your personal needs. My health care practice will likely purchase WiFi only iPads because we have wireless internet access within the offices and also my home for that matter. If I want to take my iPad where there is no internet access, I have the MiFi. Just my thoughts.
Or free wi-fi just about, well, everywhere. Every McDonalds has it. Many other restaurants do, too. Every coffee shop, truck stop, and book store has wi-fi. Any urban area is going to be overlapping unencrypted access points.
You can't use wi-fi while driving, unlike 3G, but all that rules out is turn-by-turn directions using an online map. A function that, I submit, the iPad isn't going to be the best device for.
It is amazing what the little fanboys here will believe in. They actually think the iPad is more than an iPod Touch. Not everything from Apple becomes popular.
Or free wi-fi just about, well, everywhere. Every McDonalds has it. Many other restaurants do, too. Every coffee shop, truck stop, and book store has wi-fi. Any urban area is going to be overlapping unencrypted access points.
You can't use wi-fi while driving, unlike 3G, but all that rules out is turn-by-turn directions using an online map. A function that, I submit, the iPad isn't going to be the best device for.
And who is dumb enough to sit their fat ass in McDonald's to play with their iPad? So you are going to waste your money on an iPad just so you can go to each of these places to surf the internet? You might as well write DORK on your forehead. I don't even see Netbooks in use anywhere either.
You're right, it is way too much like Auto shows, or CES when they do stuff like that. \
The thing about iPhone OS is that any one can develop for it, so by announcing it early people can start to think about the programs they want to make.
It is amazing what the little fanboys here will believe in. They actually think the iPad is more than an iPod Touch. Not everything from Apple becomes popular.
Apple's balance sheet disagrees with you. For once the fanboys have solid financial data backing up the "fanaticism"
And who is dumb enough to sit their fat ass in McDonald's to play with their iPad? So you are going to waste your money on an iPad just so you can go to each of these places to surf the internet? You might as well write DORK on your forehead. I don't even see Netbooks in use anywhere either.
Nice try...but I'm all Mac. Love Mac, three macs at home, carry a MacBook and iPhone, and do my part to convert people to mac... I just have the common sense to call them when they produce a dud. They should have kept this under wraps for another year and brought it out with a camera and multitasking, then I would be waiting in line.
Apple has mental market share though and I have no doubt they will make a profit on the iPad, I hope they do, I own stock. But, for me personally, I'll wait until I can use it to video iChat while I'm browsing the web and checking mail.
I don't know why more "fans" aren't upset about this giant touch.
And who is dumb enough to sit their fat ass in McDonald's to play with their iPad?
Or restaurants, bars, coffee shops, etc.
What are you trying to say? That people are dumb for taking advantage of wifi while at a restaurant or that they'e dumb for using a wifi-capable devices at these places? Happens at Starbucks all the time, for example.
$130 extra for 3G is a rip-off. The chip and antenna probably cost $0.50. Hell, the chip is probably just disabled in the non-3G.
**** All kinds of factors go into pricing decisions for added features such as this. Parts prices are the tiniest sliver of that. Engineering, industrial design, consulting cost, etc., etc., all go into pricing.
I just have the common sense to call them when they produce a dud.
Apple has mental market share though and I have no doubt they will make a profit on the iPad
So . . . they'll be selling a lot of these duds? Which is it gonna be? Because as far as profit goes, the margins aren't really astronomical on the iPod Touch, and Apple priced the iPad well below expectations.
No usb, no video, no outputs, no HiDef, no skype, similar functionality with iphone, iTunes only, no third party apps = limited use. Love macs, but this device simply doesnt fit
I don't know why more "fans" aren't upset about this giant touch.
Probably because it's somewhat nonsensical to deride the iPad as some "bulked up iPod Touch"
Last time I looked the iPod Touch sales were going gangbusters so it's a bit of irony that some are trying to denigratae the iPad with comparison to a product that has exceeded all expectations (the Touch). They need to find a ball "fallguy" for product comparison.
The iPod Touch shows how important this platform is and it'll only get better with a larger screen and more memory.
The iPad doesn't run Mac OS X for obvious (to me) reasons.
1. Even a small install of 10.6 is 4+ GB of data.
2. Complexity
3. Not the ideal hardware for multitasking (A4 is fast but it's no Core2 or Core iX)
[QUOTE=FuturePastNow;1568034]What does trust have to do with anything I said?[quote]
I believe he was referring to you.
Quote:
Thank you for an actual response to my post. You're right that testing and validation are expensive. However, given Apple's greater-than-50% margin on the base hardware, I think they can eat that cost pretty easily in the name of greater volume.
The 3G enabled device is different from the non 3G device. If you'd bothered to find out, you would see that the backs are different. In addition, the 3G device includes the GPS circuits as well. So its not just a 3G chip and antenna, though that is much more than you are willing to admit. As has been mentioned, there are licensing issues as well.
Is it worth $130? Perhaps. The more complex case will add to the cost, so perhaps it's a fair price.
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Would you prefer they sample at the Apple store or MacWorld readers?
Describe the average Retrevo user, Tek.
There's your answer.
Yea and one needs to evaluate how much data they would be using, i.e, 250mg or unlimited 3G ATT plan plus the 3G is PER unit or iPad. With MifI 2200 currently from Sprint or Verizon, one could justify the WiFi only iPad, purchase a 250mg Verizon MiFi plan (currently 39.95) and have up to 5 devices connect to it wirelessly. You really have to evaluate your personal needs. My health care practice will likely purchase WiFi only iPads because we have wireless internet access within the offices and also my home for that matter. If I want to take my iPad where there is no internet access, I have the MiFi. Just my thoughts.
Or free wi-fi just about, well, everywhere. Every McDonalds has it. Many other restaurants do, too. Every coffee shop, truck stop, and book store has wi-fi. Any urban area is going to be overlapping unencrypted access points.
You can't use wi-fi while driving, unlike 3G, but all that rules out is turn-by-turn directions using an online map. A function that, I submit, the iPad isn't going to be the best device for.
Apple needs to stop this nonsense of debuting a product and then saying it will be available X months later.
You're right, it is way too much like Auto shows, or CES when they do stuff like that.
Or free wi-fi just about, well, everywhere. Every McDonalds has it. Many other restaurants do, too. Every coffee shop, truck stop, and book store has wi-fi. Any urban area is going to be overlapping unencrypted access points.
You can't use wi-fi while driving, unlike 3G, but all that rules out is turn-by-turn directions using an online map. A function that, I submit, the iPad isn't going to be the best device for.
And who is dumb enough to sit their fat ass in McDonald's to play with their iPad? So you are going to waste your money on an iPad just so you can go to each of these places to surf the internet? You might as well write DORK on your forehead. I don't even see Netbooks in use anywhere either.
They actually think the iPad is more than an iPod Touch.
It is. For starters, you've got a larger screen and apps which will be more powerful.
You're right, it is way too much like Auto shows, or CES when they do stuff like that.
The thing about iPhone OS is that any one can develop for it, so by announcing it early people can start to think about the programs they want to make.
It is amazing what the little fanboys here will believe in. They actually think the iPad is more than an iPod Touch. Not everything from Apple becomes popular.
Apple's balance sheet disagrees with you. For once the fanboys have solid financial data backing up the "fanaticism"
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http://www.macworld.com/article/1424...lope_lies.html
And who is dumb enough to sit their fat ass in McDonald's to play with their iPad? So you are going to waste your money on an iPad just so you can go to each of these places to surf the internet? You might as well write DORK on your forehead. I don't even see Netbooks in use anywhere either.
Content and logic free post above.
I think some people really wanted OSX instead of iPhone type OS.
So I could see those people saying, blah, never mind.
I too wish it could have been that way, but I still like the idea of it the way it is.
I like the part where if I buy an app on either iPhone or iPad I get to use it on both.
The apps will get better when they take full advantage of the hardware in this machine.
I plan to get one for my wife. its better than any netbook on the market, imo.
I'm just getting the 64GB non 3G version. She would only use it at home.
And by taking out the 3G, there is no reason for it to end up broken in the driveway.
For our needs, it will be perfect. I have a monster gaming system with windows for anything my mac mini, iPad, or iPhone wont handle.
But plenty of troll.
Nice try...but I'm all Mac. Love Mac, three macs at home, carry a MacBook and iPhone, and do my part to convert people to mac... I just have the common sense to call them when they produce a dud. They should have kept this under wraps for another year and brought it out with a camera and multitasking, then I would be waiting in line.
Apple has mental market share though and I have no doubt they will make a profit on the iPad, I hope they do, I own stock. But, for me personally, I'll wait until I can use it to video iChat while I'm browsing the web and checking mail.
I don't know why more "fans" aren't upset about this giant touch.
And who is dumb enough to sit their fat ass in McDonald's to play with their iPad?
Or restaurants, bars, coffee shops, etc.
What are you trying to say? That people are dumb for taking advantage of wifi while at a restaurant or that they'e dumb for using a wifi-capable devices at these places? Happens at Starbucks all the time, for example.
What does trust have to do with anything I said?
Do you know anyone you trust who rips you off? Do I have to spell it out to you?
You must at least understand what you write.
And to give a somewhat more direct response, did you look at the weight of the iPad3G (compared to the non 3G iPad).
Do you know about shielding, testing etc, etc?
J.
$130 extra for 3G is a rip-off. The chip and antenna probably cost $0.50. Hell, the chip is probably just disabled in the non-3G.
**** All kinds of factors go into pricing decisions for added features such as this. Parts prices are the tiniest sliver of that. Engineering, industrial design, consulting cost, etc., etc., all go into pricing.
I just have the common sense to call them when they produce a dud.
Apple has mental market share though and I have no doubt they will make a profit on the iPad
So . . . they'll be selling a lot of these duds? Which is it gonna be? Because as far as profit goes, the margins aren't really astronomical on the iPod Touch, and Apple priced the iPad well below expectations.
I don't know why more "fans" aren't upset about this giant touch.
Probably because it's somewhat nonsensical to deride the iPad as some "bulked up iPod Touch"
Last time I looked the iPod Touch sales were going gangbusters so it's a bit of irony that some are trying to denigratae the iPad with comparison to a product that has exceeded all expectations (the Touch). They need to find a ball "fallguy" for product comparison.
The iPod Touch shows how important this platform is and it'll only get better with a larger screen and more memory.
The iPad doesn't run Mac OS X for obvious (to me) reasons.
1. Even a small install of 10.6 is 4+ GB of data.
2. Complexity
3. Not the ideal hardware for multitasking (A4 is fast but it's no Core2 or Core iX)
I believe he was referring to you.
Thank you for an actual response to my post. You're right that testing and validation are expensive. However, given Apple's greater-than-50% margin on the base hardware, I think they can eat that cost pretty easily in the name of greater volume.
The 3G enabled device is different from the non 3G device. If you'd bothered to find out, you would see that the backs are different. In addition, the 3G device includes the GPS circuits as well. So its not just a 3G chip and antenna, though that is much more than you are willing to admit. As has been mentioned, there are licensing issues as well.
Is it worth $130? Perhaps. The more complex case will add to the cost, so perhaps it's a fair price.