I plan to get one for my wife. its better than any netbook on the market, imo.
In what ways is it better than any netbook on the market?
Dell's Mini 10 Netbooks have a choice of 3 different OS's, built-n TV tuners, huge hard drives (or an SSD if you prefer), real HD widescreens, and lots of other stuff. And instead of having 140,000 apps available, they have about 140 million full applications available. A fully tricked out Mini 10 running Ubuntu is comparable in price to the lowest-end 'Pad.
What factors are you using as a basis for your opinion?
iSteve tried to position the iPad by saying that it has to do some things better than a phone and some things better than a laptop. I heard nothing to justify it being better than a laptop - or even a $500 netbook.
If your reasoning is "I just kinda like the form factor. I think I would really like using it." then I have no argument. That's an entirely reasonable position.
But objectively? Is it better than any netbook on the market? Maybe that's not what you meant.
I'm still waiting for a sweet tablet computer to keep on the coffee table, able to be grabbed to surf the 'web or to play media. IMO, the 'Pad doesn't cut the mustard for either of these things (no Flash, wrong aspect ratio, no HD, horrible codec support). I might just break down and get a netbook. But likely, I'll keep waiting until someone comes out with a cool HD Android tablet. Win7 is reputedly ill-suited for touchscreen use, and I'm very disappointed with the iPad.
I'm actually surprised that there is not more outcry/complaining that Apple is moving down the road of an OS that's completely locked away from the user and forcing them to only run applications that Apple deems are 'good' to run. This is fine when we're talking about a cell phone that we might pay $200 for with a subsidy from AT&T (Generalizing on the price) but when someone's dropping close to $1k for a device, I would assume that they'd be able to have the ability to choose 'what' they want to run on it.
Additionally - do we as users of such devices want to start showing manufacturers in general that we're fine with them taking choice away when we install applications?
This is fine if we're talking about tablet running a beefed up version of iPhone OS. If you feel that a desktop OS should be in a 10" tablet than you haven't realized how poor tablets have been in the last decade trying to shoehorn a desktop OS into a handheld, touchscreen device. Don't confuse a desktop OS with a mobile OS. Apple will not be killing their Mac line. Just check their Mac profit to confirm.
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Long before anybody realized it:
Apple introduced the iPhone on January 9th, 2007.
On January 10, i.e., the day after, it was reported that Apple had already designed a 3G version that was "in the works" with the FCC.
They also had an SDK in the works. Why some think they only thought it a good idea after the blogosphere cried about it is silly.
There is so little interest no one is even talking about the ipad any more. Reading google news this morning, nope, nothing. Multiple publishers using an unreleased product as leverage against amazon, nothing to indicate interest to consumers there either. The whole thing just fell off the map. These forums used to fill up with people discussing the pros and cons. Even tekstud realized how right he was and stopped trolling. And the idea of a tablet computer held such promise. Oh well, I'm sure we can all rest assured that Microsoft will pioneer this field and produce something that will be truely uber.
Not without Flash it's not. I think that Joe Public will be pissed if Apple advertises that this is the best way to surf. The best bet is to let iSteve's ill-advised remark to die a quiet death.
It's been noted that Flash use on the net has hit its peak, with about 75% of all video using it, but more sites moving away.
Everyone was surprised when YouTube announced that they were re-encoding all their videos so as not to require Flash a couple of years ago. I find more sites that don't require it all the time. Don't be surprised in a few months when Hulu announces the same thing.
Apple is usually ahead of the curve, with some people complaining furiously at first. But then, others follow, and it seems normal. It will happen here as well.
There is so little interest no one is even talking about the ipad any more. Reading google news this morning, nope, nothing. Multiple publishers using an unreleased product as leverage against amazon, nothing to indicate interest to consumers there either. The whole thing just fell off the map. These forums used to fill up with people discussing the pros and cons. Even tekstud realized how right he was and stopped trolling. And the idea of a tablet computer held such promise. Oh well, I'm sure we can all rest assured that Microsoft will pioneer this field and produce something that will be truely uber.
You must be on the internet in some alternate universe then.
3) A cheap Mac replacement without having to buy a PC netbook/notebook.
4) Neat interface that we're familiar with.
Things I don't care about.
1) Flash: (buggy, spreads viruses and malware, bloated and a resource hog)
2) Camera (I'm relaxed on my couch and don't want people seeing me in my relaxed state)
3) Mulit-tasking (If you're talking about running multiple apps at once then I must ask why? What do you plan on doing on the iPad that require running multiple apps at once? I can see needing the browser open while creating an iWork document but what else?)
If MDN had a better forum site to comment/edit/post, AI would go the way Macworld did when they scrapped theirs.
I think you are wimps for not making posters take some responsibility in what they post. I don't suggest that posts be removed because they aren't pro Apple. Outright lies and innuendos, yes. Is it censorship? I guess so if lying denies one from obtaining the truth. And man, this sight just fraughts with lies and liars.
I see you've made 2275 posts to a forum filled with "lies". Why do you bother?
If MDN had a better forum site to comment/edit/post, AI would go the way Macworld did when they scrapped theirs.
It's too bad that Macworld damaged their forums, but I'm seeing a lot of sites that seem to use the same forum software they are using, and their forums have gone downhill as well. I wonder if it's intentional. I used to post there more frequently. Even Ars has changed the way forums work to the lame front end from the full forum front end. Now, it's often too much trouble to go the the thread in the forum, and so there are often far fewer posts than before.
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I think you are wimps for not making posters take some responsibility in what they post. I don't suggest that posts be removed because they aren't pro Apple. Outright lies and innuendos, yes. Is it censorship? I guess so if lying denies one from obtaining the truth. And man, this sight just fraughts with lies and liars.
And just how are we supposed to do that? Make everyone post certified correct links to every statement they make? You couldn't do that, nor could I.
If someone says something, we can only do what is done on every other forum, which is to have members correct it. This isn't a gated community, anyone can become a member and post. That's the way it should be.
I don't like what some members post, but as long as they don't get too difficult in their posts to others, there's not much we can, or should do about it. We have no more "lies and liars" than any other fan oriented site that I've seen.
I dont understand why Apple would leave out a camera at this point, to me, it would make sense. Almost every person today wants a camera attached to whatever device. I LOVE Apple, I LOVE my Iphone....and yes i do want an ipad, but i'm NOT buying one without a camera, without better memory, as far as flash goes, i dont care...but here's my question, why would Apple leave it out, and leave out websites that rely on that? If this device is to be truely revolutionary, then why would it exclude web content that used Flash. Now i know, it's old, macs crash when running it, i get it, i read what Jobs said, but that doesn't change the fact that the rest of the world is using that type, so why would you just leave it out, i know HTML5....but until then....wouldn't that take away from the desire to have an ipad? Also, when i watched the unveiling...i couldn't wait for him to show us ichat....and then he never did. Honestly, i'd put a camera in the thing, add the flash support..for now, nix a non 3G option, lower the price, and push this thing as the next way to communicate and Mass Market the heck out of it ( i know the latter will be done). Until a camera and flash, not buying it....so hopefully, something may be added prior to release of this...but i've come to find out that holding one's breath on these things, just makes one pass out...
Not without Flash it's not. I think that Joe Public will be pissed if Apple advertises that this is the best way to surf. The best bet is to let iSteve's ill-advised remark to die a quiet death.
Flash is in trouble and there is a movement away from it that is gaining momentum.
More to the point, to reduce the browsing experience down to whether or not Flash is supported, is to miss Jobs' point entirely. It's about the overall experience of browsing on the iPad that Jobs is talking about. In a perfect world Flash would be supported but just as you can successfully browse with a Touch or iPhone, browsing with the iPad will not be the untenable experience you are suggesting it will be. As the number of Apple portable devices like the Touch, iPhone and iPad, grows, the pressure for sites to opt for a standard other than Flash will as well. Flash is not the only way to go and there are other standards that are universally accepted. Do the math.
In what ways is it better than any netbook on the market?
Thats easy. Netbooks are a compromise in every possible way. Run a mainsteam OS but not enough memory or cpu. Too small a keyboard and screen. Poor user experience.
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I plan to get one for my wife. its better than any netbook on the market, imo.
In what ways is it better than any netbook on the market?
Dell's Mini 10 Netbooks have a choice of 3 different OS's, built-n TV tuners, huge hard drives (or an SSD if you prefer), real HD widescreens, and lots of other stuff. And instead of having 140,000 apps available, they have about 140 million full applications available. A fully tricked out Mini 10 running Ubuntu is comparable in price to the lowest-end 'Pad.
What factors are you using as a basis for your opinion?
iSteve tried to position the iPad by saying that it has to do some things better than a phone and some things better than a laptop. I heard nothing to justify it being better than a laptop - or even a $500 netbook.
If your reasoning is "I just kinda like the form factor. I think I would really like using it." then I have no argument. That's an entirely reasonable position.
But objectively? Is it better than any netbook on the market? Maybe that's not what you meant.
I'm still waiting for a sweet tablet computer to keep on the coffee table, able to be grabbed to surf the 'web or to play media. IMO, the 'Pad doesn't cut the mustard for either of these things (no Flash, wrong aspect ratio, no HD, horrible codec support). I might just break down and get a netbook. But likely, I'll keep waiting until someone comes out with a cool HD Android tablet. Win7 is reputedly ill-suited for touchscreen use, and I'm very disappointed with the iPad.
I'm actually surprised that there is not more outcry/complaining that Apple is moving down the road of an OS that's completely locked away from the user and forcing them to only run applications that Apple deems are 'good' to run. This is fine when we're talking about a cell phone that we might pay $200 for with a subsidy from AT&T (Generalizing on the price) but when someone's dropping close to $1k for a device, I would assume that they'd be able to have the ability to choose 'what' they want to run on it.
Additionally - do we as users of such devices want to start showing manufacturers in general that we're fine with them taking choice away when we install applications?
This is fine if we're talking about tablet running a beefed up version of iPhone OS. If you feel that a desktop OS should be in a 10" tablet than you haven't realized how poor tablets have been in the last decade trying to shoehorn a desktop OS into a handheld, touchscreen device. Don't confuse a desktop OS with a mobile OS. Apple will not be killing their Mac line. Just check their Mac profit to confirm.
Long before anybody realized it:
Apple introduced the iPhone on January 9th, 2007.
On January 10, i.e., the day after, it was reported that Apple had already designed a 3G version that was "in the works" with the FCC.
They also had an SDK in the works. Why some think they only thought it a good idea after the blogosphere cried about it is silly.
A survey of more than 1,000 randomly selected customers at the online marketplace Retrevo
That explains it.
Yeah right. If they all said they were going to by an iPad you would be saying its going to be a game changer and create world peace.
Not without Flash it's not. I think that Joe Public will be pissed if Apple advertises that this is the best way to surf. The best bet is to let iSteve's ill-advised remark to die a quiet death.
It's been noted that Flash use on the net has hit its peak, with about 75% of all video using it, but more sites moving away.
Everyone was surprised when YouTube announced that they were re-encoding all their videos so as not to require Flash a couple of years ago. I find more sites that don't require it all the time. Don't be surprised in a few months when Hulu announces the same thing.
Apple is usually ahead of the curve, with some people complaining furiously at first. But then, others follow, and it seems normal. It will happen here as well.
Yeah right. If they all said they were going to by an iPad you would be saying its going to be a game changer and create world peace.
No, I'd say they were strangely enough or by sheer coincidence in line with average public sentiment.
Yeah right. If they all said they were going to by an iPad you would be saying its going to be a game changer and create world peace.
Well, if they ALL said they would buy it, that would be very interesting, wouldn't it?
I don't need a fat iPhone!
No Flash player, locked OS, limited software. No multitasking, please, the year is 2010, not 1980!
Would be a go for me if the tablet would ran on OSX as it would have been a replacement for a laptop when I travel.
Now, I'll need my iPhone, my MacBook Pro AND a Tablet...
No thanks, my bag needs to reduce itself in size, not the other way around.
One post? You wouldn't be an astro-turfer would you?
In what ways is it better than any netbook on the market?
1. It's touch
2. Interface designed by Apple
3. It doesn't look like crap
4. It doesn't run some awful version of Winblows
Well, if they ALL said they would buy it, that would be very interesting, wouldn't it?
Hehe, good point, I didn't quite catch that.
There is so little interest no one is even talking about the ipad any more. Reading google news this morning, nope, nothing. Multiple publishers using an unreleased product as leverage against amazon, nothing to indicate interest to consumers there either. The whole thing just fell off the map. These forums used to fill up with people discussing the pros and cons. Even tekstud realized how right he was and stopped trolling. And the idea of a tablet computer held such promise. Oh well, I'm sure we can all rest assured that Microsoft will pioneer this field and produce something that will be truely uber.
You must be on the internet in some alternate universe then.
Lost interest AFTER unveiling? I lost interest WHILE they were unveiling....
no multitask, no flash, no camera, no interest....
No $1000 price tag either.
It's less expensive than an unlocked iPhone yet you expect it to be vastly more capable. I think you need to reset your expectations.
1) Built on the OSX kernel (itself BSD based)
2) Great couch device for web browsing and email.
3) A cheap Mac replacement without having to buy a PC netbook/notebook.
4) Neat interface that we're familiar with.
Things I don't care about.
1) Flash: (buggy, spreads viruses and malware, bloated and a resource hog)
2) Camera (I'm relaxed on my couch and don't want people seeing me in my relaxed state)
3) Mulit-tasking (If you're talking about running multiple apps at once then I must ask why? What do you plan on doing on the iPad that require running multiple apps at once? I can see needing the browser open while creating an iWork document but what else?)
If MDN had a better forum site to comment/edit/post, AI would go the way Macworld did when they scrapped theirs.
I think you are wimps for not making posters take some responsibility in what they post. I don't suggest that posts be removed because they aren't pro Apple. Outright lies and innuendos, yes. Is it censorship? I guess so if lying denies one from obtaining the truth. And man, this sight just fraughts with lies and liars.
I see you've made 2275 posts to a forum filled with "lies". Why do you bother?
If MDN had a better forum site to comment/edit/post, AI would go the way Macworld did when they scrapped theirs.
It's too bad that Macworld damaged their forums, but I'm seeing a lot of sites that seem to use the same forum software they are using, and their forums have gone downhill as well. I wonder if it's intentional. I used to post there more frequently. Even Ars has changed the way forums work to the lame front end from the full forum front end. Now, it's often too much trouble to go the the thread in the forum, and so there are often far fewer posts than before.
I think you are wimps for not making posters take some responsibility in what they post. I don't suggest that posts be removed because they aren't pro Apple. Outright lies and innuendos, yes. Is it censorship? I guess so if lying denies one from obtaining the truth. And man, this sight just fraughts with lies and liars.
And just how are we supposed to do that? Make everyone post certified correct links to every statement they make? You couldn't do that, nor could I.
If someone says something, we can only do what is done on every other forum, which is to have members correct it. This isn't a gated community, anyone can become a member and post. That's the way it should be.
I don't like what some members post, but as long as they don't get too difficult in their posts to others, there's not much we can, or should do about it. We have no more "lies and liars" than any other fan oriented site that I've seen.
You must be on the internet in some alternate universe then.
I don't think that post was serious.
Not without Flash it's not. I think that Joe Public will be pissed if Apple advertises that this is the best way to surf. The best bet is to let iSteve's ill-advised remark to die a quiet death.
Flash is in trouble and there is a movement away from it that is gaining momentum.
More to the point, to reduce the browsing experience down to whether or not Flash is supported, is to miss Jobs' point entirely. It's about the overall experience of browsing on the iPad that Jobs is talking about. In a perfect world Flash would be supported but just as you can successfully browse with a Touch or iPhone, browsing with the iPad will not be the untenable experience you are suggesting it will be. As the number of Apple portable devices like the Touch, iPhone and iPad, grows, the pressure for sites to opt for a standard other than Flash will as well. Flash is not the only way to go and there are other standards that are universally accepted. Do the math.
In what ways is it better than any netbook on the market?
Thats easy. Netbooks are a compromise in every possible way. Run a mainsteam OS but not enough memory or cpu. Too small a keyboard and screen. Poor user experience.