I hope a matte version of the new display will be available. Glossy isn't an option for me...
Exactly. I'm glad I got the current 30'' model, because it doesn't look we will ever see matte display from Apple any more. I also happen to prefer 16:10 ratio. I find it's more usable for what I do.
Awesome news. I hope its worth a real announcement and not some quiet update to the Apple store. I would love for Apple to show some pride in their pro offerings.
Exactly. I'm glad I got the current 30'' model, because it doesn't look we will ever see matte display from Apple any more. I also happen to prefer 16:10 ratio. I find it's more usable for what I do.
Dell has a 27" display that still used the same or similar panel as the 27" iMac. It also uses a CCFL backlight instead of LED. I wonder if Apple will let go the CCFL backlighting for the next ACDs or just expand the consumer branch of LED backlit displays.
For these large displays I'm all for 16:9 and wider, but I hope Apple doesn't move to 16:9 for their notebooks. Not a fan of the this, especially at the 13" display size.
It's still longer than the average update cycle for all 'pro' Macs. What makes matters worse is that there are sufficient CPU successors out, and out long enough to account for any ramp up for Apple's excessive needs. It seems that Apple is waiting for other reasons other than technical.
I'm with you. Do you think that perhaps the rumors about Apple telling Intel to make them some chips without the iGPU might be coming true? The only weird thing is, even if the chips don't have integrated graphics, nVidia cannot make chips for the i series chips anyway. Keeps me wondering for sure, but this wait isn't for a simple change to the new architecture. Something else is bound to be there.
I'm with you. Do you think that perhaps the rumors about Apple telling Intel to make them some chips without the iGPU might be coming true? The only weird thing is, even if the chips don't have integrated graphics, nVidia cannot make chips for the i series chips anyway. Keeps me wondering for sure, but this wait isn't for a simple change to the new architecture. Something else is bound to be there.
I think they'll just use the IGP and then offer a GPU. I don't think it's that big of deal to lose the 9400M IGP. My biggest fears for the next Mac notebook release are:
16:9 displays
No Dynamic GPU swapping
No fix for SATA II controller issue that makes 3rd-party drives not work right
If any one of those exist then I won't be updating my notebook next time around.
I finally gave up on Apples cinema displays since they've taken so long to update them. Even when the 27 comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if it's far more expensive than equivalent units from competitors.
I finally gave up on Apples cinema displays since they've taken so long to update them. Even when the 27 comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if it's far more expensive than equivalent units from competitors.
I think they'll just use the IGP and then offer a GPU. I don't think it's that big of deal to lose the 9400M IGP. My biggest fears for the next Mac notebook release are:
16:10 displays
No Dynamic GPU swapping
No fix for SATA II controller issue that makes 3rd-party drives not work right
If any one of those exist then I won't be updating my notebook next time around.
I'm not as sure as you, though. I don't think they can pass off the intel graphics in a 13" MBP or in an Air. Something else has to be.
Basically all three are top dollar items, short of the Xserve some of the most expensive things that Apple sells.
What are the chances that all 3 would be released in the same 'event' / press release? Have they ever updated the MBP and the MP at the same time or do they spread them out?
Kind of wondering if the MacPro is held until 'Summer' if we'll see a MBP upgrade pre-iPad or between iPad and the new iPhone Summer announcement. I also kind of wonder if a new Air is on hold until after the iPad (yes, they are different devices but I wonder if they would share a similar buying group).
It will be interesting to see how the expanding product line fits into the older school release schedules.
I'm not as sure as you, though. I don't think they can pass off the intel graphics in a 13" MBP or in an Air. Something else has to be.
Could they not add a discrete GPU in the MBA if the power usage and subsequently the heat output now lower with the CULV Core i7?
Honestly, one of my biggest shortcomings of the MBA aren't the GPU performance but the feeble battery life for a machine designed to be so portable, especially in comparison to other Mac notebooks, so I wouldn't care about less GPU performance in the MBA if they could double the battery life. The other being the lack of storage due to the 5mm high 1.8" drive.
However, their has been plenty of change in this area that I wouldn't be surprised to see this completely redesigned. It still using the old trackpad and display cover.
I think they'll just use the IGP and then offer a GPU. I don't think it's that big of deal to lose the 9400M IGP. My biggest fears for the next Mac notebook release are:
16:10 displays
No Dynamic GPU swapping
No fix for SATA II controller issue that makes 3rd-party drives not work right
If any one of those exist then I won't be updating my notebook next time around.
I assume you meant that you don't want to see the notebooks go to 16:9 displays.
All Apple's notebooks currently use 16:10 displays.
I hope a matte version of the new display will be available. Glossy isn't an option for me...
Same here!
To constantly have to adjust the angle, to avoid reflections, on iMacs or laptops! - that's annoying! Apple finally gives the non-glossy, anti-glare option on MBPs, so, why not extend that to iMacs larger Monitors! Charge $50 for it, if they have to, and I bet a lot of people will spend that extra $50.
If Apple loses sales to Dell, or other competitors, because of lack of non-glossy, anti-glare option on the big screens, that would be silly!
I also wish that non-glossy, anti-glare option was available on iPhones and iPads!
The whole glossy thing look nice in ads, but when one starts use it, and has a chance to compare, I bet most people will choose non-glossy, anti-glare option, or at least half! So why not make that other half happy?
Sorry, I know that topic has been discussed quite a bit, but still, it's hard to avoid it, when they start talking about new screens! I don't want to see Apple lose business to their competitors because of lack of this non-glossy, anti-glare option! And, why not listen to its customers on this?!
Meanwhile, I am eagerly awaiting the next iPhone and MBP 17, matter screen! When both are available, I will be upgrading my PB G4 1.67...
However, Intel clearly lists this chip as uniprocessor model, meaning the Mac maker would need to adopt a dual motherboard strategy to make that happen.
Intel has said that of certain processors before, and clever motherboard manufacturers have found ways around it. (For a while, Intel did not allow Celeron processors to be used in a multi-processor system. For all I know, that may still be true. It did not take long for various motherboard makers to work around this.)
Apple could very well do the same, since they have the experience needed to build core logic. And they might, as long as the reliability and integrity of the system doesn't suffer as a result.
The only thing that made me go 'hmm' was the June release date.
Here is the Apple release calendar as far as I can see:
March--almost over
April--iPad. I doubt we'll see any other releases stomping on the iPad story/bandwagon.
May--??
June--iPhone v. 4???
So I wonder if Apple PR will have a major refresh of the MBP and MP that will stomp on either the iPhone story or the iPad story? It would seem they would want the introduction of a major new product to have it's own story cycle instead of taking away column inches from some other Mac press release in the tech and trade media.
July is a bit far off. The pro users are already getting a little uppity. March seemed to make sense, but as every Tuesday has come and gone (usually the release date for Apple products) I've started to wonder more and more.
The article says "by June". A May release will be very likely:
April: iPad
May: Mac Pro, Cinema Displays and Macbook Pro
June: iPhone
What's happening to the Macbook Air? It looks like the iPad is a better deal than the Air. It is much more compact, lightweight and it does all the basics an Air does. And it is much cheaper.
I'm really interested in the 27" monitor price. With the cheapest 27" iMac rolling in at $1699, they're going to obviously have to have a decent gap from just a monitor. The problem is, the 24" is currently $899... so what can they realistically price the 27" at, assuming they don't drop the price of the 24". $1199? So basically they're saying the rest of the iMac is only worth $500? Will be very interesting...
$1199 was my guess too.
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Originally Posted by desarc
my guess:
27" / $999 USD
24" / $799 USD
I think that is the best-case scenario.
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Originally Posted by kasakka
Bit of a shame that they're going with the 16:9 format on their top end display models. I think we can all agree that 16:10 is more useful for anything but movies and games.
I also prefer 16:10 to 16:9. I would even prefer 4:3 to 16:9.
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Originally Posted by Tomfoolery
It's worth remembering, though, that Apple doesn't manufacture LCD panels. They just buy the parts. If 16:9 panels are available, Apple can choose to use them instead of 16:10 panels.
Apple is a large enough customer that the manufacturers will make any size or shape that Apple want.
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Originally Posted by stonefree
Snow Leopard on my unibody MBP with only 2 GB RAM was ridiculously slow. I frequently got beach balls from scrolling down a web page even with Click to Flash blocking and just Safari, Mail, iCal, iTunes open, . It would usually be OK at first but would gradually slow down, requiring a restart. Since upgrading to 4 GB, it's performed phenomenally, even with lots of apps open. As for crapware, yes that's an issue, but I've always just used a clean install of Windows.
That has been my experience exactly. I really want another MacBook Air, but 2GB of RAM doesn't suffice.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Could they not add a discrete GPU in the MBA if the power usage and subsequently the heat output now lower with the CULV Core i7?
Honestly, one of my biggest shortcomings of the MBA aren't the GPU performance but the feeble battery life for a machine designed to be so portable, especially in comparison to other Mac notebooks, so I wouldn't care about less GPU performance in the MBA if they could double the battery life. The other being the lack of storage due to the 5mm high 1.8" drive.
However, their has been plenty of change in this area that I wouldn't be surprised to see this completely redesigned. It still using the old trackpad and display cover.
I think the solution to this problem is to drop the hard drive option and put the SSD directly on the motherboard. This would permit more space for the battery and also would eliminate the need for a drive controller.
With this longer than average time it makes me think there are major changes coming that warrant a special event for the next Macs. Hopefully that is the case.
Oh well, after a hefty bonus this year, I really truly wanted *two* Dual-processor Mac Pros, one for me, one for my wife. You know what?
Forget about that.
June? I've build PCs before, Hackintosh here I come. Core i7 6-Core CPU, SSD-drive, latest Radeon graphics - all stuff Apple won't sell even if I begged them to. To be had at half the price of a Mac Pro and propably resulting in a faster machine that can be upgraded more easily than even a Mac Pro (no re-flashing for the Radeon required).
So long and thanks for the OS, I'll stick to that for the time being.
I was 'living the dream' the other day there... two 27" i5 iMacs connected via a Belkin miniDP-miniDP cable.
Extended display mode, 5120 x 1440, and the ability to switch the second iMac from display only to full-on iMac via the 'CMD-F2' keyboard shortcut. So I had one iMac which I was working on an a second iMac running Photoshop batch files in the background. They can both see each other in the Finder etc. etc.
It made me wonder whether having one big multi-core, multi-display machine (Mac Pro) was the future, or whether it was multiple multi-core machines, running separate tasks, with reconfigurable extended displays.
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I hope a matte version of the new display will be available. Glossy isn't an option for me...
Exactly. I'm glad I got the current 30'' model, because it doesn't look we will ever see matte display from Apple any more. I also happen to prefer 16:10 ratio. I find it's more usable for what I do.
Exactly. I'm glad I got the current 30'' model, because it doesn't look we will ever see matte display from Apple any more. I also happen to prefer 16:10 ratio. I find it's more usable for what I do.
Dell has a 27" display that still used the same or similar panel as the 27" iMac. It also uses a CCFL backlight instead of LED. I wonder if Apple will let go the CCFL backlighting for the next ACDs or just expand the consumer branch of LED backlit displays.
For these large displays I'm all for 16:9 and wider, but I hope Apple doesn't move to 16:9 for their notebooks. Not a fan of the this, especially at the 13" display size.
It's still longer than the average update cycle for all 'pro' Macs. What makes matters worse is that there are sufficient CPU successors out, and out long enough to account for any ramp up for Apple's excessive needs. It seems that Apple is waiting for other reasons other than technical.
I'm with you. Do you think that perhaps the rumors about Apple telling Intel to make them some chips without the iGPU might be coming true? The only weird thing is, even if the chips don't have integrated graphics, nVidia cannot make chips for the i series chips anyway. Keeps me wondering for sure, but this wait isn't for a simple change to the new architecture. Something else is bound to be there.
I'm with you. Do you think that perhaps the rumors about Apple telling Intel to make them some chips without the iGPU might be coming true? The only weird thing is, even if the chips don't have integrated graphics, nVidia cannot make chips for the i series chips anyway. Keeps me wondering for sure, but this wait isn't for a simple change to the new architecture. Something else is bound to be there.
I think they'll just use the IGP and then offer a GPU. I don't think it's that big of deal to lose the 9400M IGP. My biggest fears for the next Mac notebook release are:
- 16:9 displays
- No Dynamic GPU swapping
- No fix for SATA II controller issue that makes 3rd-party drives not work right
If any one of those exist then I won't be updating my notebook next time around.Check out this new 27" IPS from Dell. It looks like a great device and lists for around $1,000... http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/d...cd-monitor-ha/
I finally gave up on Apples cinema displays since they've taken so long to update them. Even when the 27 comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if it's far more expensive than equivalent units from competitors.
Check out this new 27" IPS from Dell. It looks like a great device and lists for around $1,000... http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/d...cd-monitor-ha/
AnandTech has a good writeup on it.
I think they'll just use the IGP and then offer a GPU. I don't think it's that big of deal to lose the 9400M IGP. My biggest fears for the next Mac notebook release are:
- 16:10 displays
- No Dynamic GPU swapping
- No fix for SATA II controller issue that makes 3rd-party drives not work right
If any one of those exist then I won't be updating my notebook next time around.I'm not as sure as you, though. I don't think they can pass off the intel graphics in a 13" MBP or in an Air. Something else has to be.
a 30 inch screen (or 27)
a new MacBook Pro
a new Mac Pro
Basically all three are top dollar items, short of the Xserve some of the most expensive things that Apple sells.
What are the chances that all 3 would be released in the same 'event' / press release? Have they ever updated the MBP and the MP at the same time or do they spread them out?
Kind of wondering if the MacPro is held until 'Summer' if we'll see a MBP upgrade pre-iPad or between iPad and the new iPhone Summer announcement. I also kind of wonder if a new Air is on hold until after the iPad (yes, they are different devices but I wonder if they would share a similar buying group).
It will be interesting to see how the expanding product line fits into the older school release schedules.
I'm not as sure as you, though. I don't think they can pass off the intel graphics in a 13" MBP or in an Air. Something else has to be.
Could they not add a discrete GPU in the MBA if the power usage and subsequently the heat output now lower with the CULV Core i7?
Honestly, one of my biggest shortcomings of the MBA aren't the GPU performance but the feeble battery life for a machine designed to be so portable, especially in comparison to other Mac notebooks, so I wouldn't care about less GPU performance in the MBA if they could double the battery life. The other being the lack of storage due to the 5mm high 1.8" drive.
However, their has been plenty of change in this area that I wouldn't be surprised to see this completely redesigned. It still using the old trackpad and display cover.
I think they'll just use the IGP and then offer a GPU. I don't think it's that big of deal to lose the 9400M IGP. My biggest fears for the next Mac notebook release are:
- 16:10 displays
- No Dynamic GPU swapping
- No fix for SATA II controller issue that makes 3rd-party drives not work right
If any one of those exist then I won't be updating my notebook next time around.I assume you meant that you don't want to see the notebooks go to 16:9 displays.
All Apple's notebooks currently use 16:10 displays.
I assume you meant that you don't want to see the notebooks go to 16:9 displays.
All Apple's notebooks currently use 16:10 displays.
Thanks. I did that more than once in this thread. Odd!
I hope a matte version of the new display will be available. Glossy isn't an option for me...
Same here!
To constantly have to adjust the angle, to avoid reflections, on iMacs or laptops! - that's annoying! Apple finally gives the non-glossy, anti-glare option on MBPs, so, why not extend that to iMacs larger Monitors! Charge $50 for it, if they have to, and I bet a lot of people will spend that extra $50.
If Apple loses sales to Dell, or other competitors, because of lack of non-glossy, anti-glare option on the big screens, that would be silly!
I also wish that non-glossy, anti-glare option was available on iPhones and iPads!
The whole glossy thing look nice in ads, but when one starts use it, and has a chance to compare, I bet most people will choose non-glossy, anti-glare option, or at least half! So why not make that other half happy?
Sorry, I know that topic has been discussed quite a bit, but still, it's hard to avoid it, when they start talking about new screens! I don't want to see Apple lose business to their competitors because of lack of this non-glossy, anti-glare option! And, why not listen to its customers on this?!
Meanwhile, I am eagerly awaiting the next iPhone and MBP 17, matter screen! When both are available, I will be upgrading my PB G4 1.67...
However, Intel clearly lists this chip as uniprocessor model, meaning the Mac maker would need to adopt a dual motherboard strategy to make that happen.
Intel has said that of certain processors before, and clever motherboard manufacturers have found ways around it. (For a while, Intel did not allow Celeron processors to be used in a multi-processor system. For all I know, that may still be true. It did not take long for various motherboard makers to work around this.)
Apple could very well do the same, since they have the experience needed to build core logic. And they might, as long as the reliability and integrity of the system doesn't suffer as a result.
That's all fine, but where's the 30' LED model? I've been waiting for years for this one.
It will be a long way off until we start using 30-foot monitors for practical home use....
The only thing that made me go 'hmm' was the June release date.
Here is the Apple release calendar as far as I can see:
March--almost over
April--iPad. I doubt we'll see any other releases stomping on the iPad story/bandwagon.
May--??
June--iPhone v. 4???
So I wonder if Apple PR will have a major refresh of the MBP and MP that will stomp on either the iPhone story or the iPad story? It would seem they would want the introduction of a major new product to have it's own story cycle instead of taking away column inches from some other Mac press release in the tech and trade media.
July is a bit far off. The pro users are already getting a little uppity. March seemed to make sense, but as every Tuesday has come and gone (usually the release date for Apple products) I've started to wonder more and more.
The article says "by June". A May release will be very likely:
April: iPad
May: Mac Pro, Cinema Displays and Macbook Pro
June: iPhone
What's happening to the Macbook Air? It looks like the iPad is a better deal than the Air. It is much more compact, lightweight and it does all the basics an Air does. And it is much cheaper.
Any word on any changes to the Mac Pro case design?
Yeah, the design hasn't changed since 2003. Getting boring
I'm really interested in the 27" monitor price. With the cheapest 27" iMac rolling in at $1699, they're going to obviously have to have a decent gap from just a monitor. The problem is, the 24" is currently $899... so what can they realistically price the 27" at, assuming they don't drop the price of the 24". $1199? So basically they're saying the rest of the iMac is only worth $500? Will be very interesting...
$1199 was my guess too.
my guess:
27" / $999 USD
24" / $799 USD
I think that is the best-case scenario.
Bit of a shame that they're going with the 16:9 format on their top end display models. I think we can all agree that 16:10 is more useful for anything but movies and games.
I also prefer 16:10 to 16:9. I would even prefer 4:3 to 16:9.
It's worth remembering, though, that Apple doesn't manufacture LCD panels. They just buy the parts. If 16:9 panels are available, Apple can choose to use them instead of 16:10 panels.
Apple is a large enough customer that the manufacturers will make any size or shape that Apple want.
Snow Leopard on my unibody MBP with only 2 GB RAM was ridiculously slow. I frequently got beach balls from scrolling down a web page even with Click to Flash blocking and just Safari, Mail, iCal, iTunes open, . It would usually be OK at first but would gradually slow down, requiring a restart. Since upgrading to 4 GB, it's performed phenomenally, even with lots of apps open. As for crapware, yes that's an issue, but I've always just used a clean install of Windows.
That has been my experience exactly. I really want another MacBook Air, but 2GB of RAM doesn't suffice.
Could they not add a discrete GPU in the MBA if the power usage and subsequently the heat output now lower with the CULV Core i7?
Honestly, one of my biggest shortcomings of the MBA aren't the GPU performance but the feeble battery life for a machine designed to be so portable, especially in comparison to other Mac notebooks, so I wouldn't care about less GPU performance in the MBA if they could double the battery life. The other being the lack of storage due to the 5mm high 1.8" drive.
However, their has been plenty of change in this area that I wouldn't be surprised to see this completely redesigned. It still using the old trackpad and display cover.
I think the solution to this problem is to drop the hard drive option and put the SSD directly on the motherboard. This would permit more space for the battery and also would eliminate the need for a drive controller.
Welcome to the forum.
With this longer than average time it makes me think there are major changes coming that warrant a special event for the next Macs. Hopefully that is the case.
Oh well, after a hefty bonus this year, I really truly wanted *two* Dual-processor Mac Pros, one for me, one for my wife. You know what?
Forget about that.
June? I've build PCs before, Hackintosh here I come. Core i7 6-Core CPU, SSD-drive, latest Radeon graphics - all stuff Apple won't sell even if I begged them to. To be had at half the price of a Mac Pro and propably resulting in a faster machine that can be upgraded more easily than even a Mac Pro (no re-flashing for the Radeon required).
So long and thanks for the OS, I'll stick to that for the time being.
Extended display mode, 5120 x 1440, and the ability to switch the second iMac from display only to full-on iMac via the 'CMD-F2' keyboard shortcut. So I had one iMac which I was working on an a second iMac running Photoshop batch files in the background. They can both see each other in the Finder etc. etc.
It made me wonder whether having one big multi-core, multi-display machine (Mac Pro) was the future, or whether it was multiple multi-core machines, running separate tasks, with reconfigurable extended displays.
Either way it was like Apple Mac Porn!!!