Greenpeace criticizes Apple for carbon footprint of iPad cloud

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  • Reply 81 of 147
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post


    Computers that have easily exchangeable parts last the longest and have the least impact on the environment.



    That is simply not true. Indeed, many of these 'exchanged' electronic parts from the US end up in landfills, and often in situations where they are unsafely handled by humans, ending up in countries such as India and China.



    Apple specifically discusses the environmental impact of its new batteries here (you might be surprised): http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/environment.html (see section 'Longer-lasting batterries'). See also http://www.apple.com/batteries/ for more precise information on Apple's battery technology.
  • Reply 82 of 147
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    We have 7 Macs in the house and all of them are multi-user with login screens. These all go into sleep mode with the disk spun down and the display off.



    In fact, I am remotely accessing the disk/files on my daughter's computer and its screen is completely black (off).



    If your lab uses Macs you should suggest to admin/IT that they review the Energy Saver settings in System Preferences. They can set these remotely using Screen Sharing.



    Apple has done quite a bit over the years to improve energy efficiency-- Did you know that you can schedule your Mac to power off and power on at given times of day?



    Unfortunately, they're not Macs. They're hundreds of PC's still running XP.

    The Mac labs have no problems, but the PC labs and classrooms just sit there and idle away.





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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    No, I didn't say that... common sense dictates that when a room is going to be empty for a long time it is more efficient to turn off the lights (but they will, likely, need to be replaced more often due to the power surge).



    My point exactly. You'd think they'd have the common sense to turn off the lights when the room is going to go unoccupied for a while, but not so.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Most enterprises that use a lot of energy have computers (power shedders) to control lighting, HVAC, etc... so they may be doing things and have considerations that you are not aware of.



    If they are, then they're not properly implementing those measures.
  • Reply 83 of 147
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,602member
    Fuxx me. Based on this report I think that we should all strip off and return to caves and live off moss.



    WE'RE ALL DOOMED !!



    Where will greenpeace stop? They do know that thousands of years ago we prevented the next ice age by introducing farming! The only way they can restore this planet is by wiping mankind from the face of it. Damn tree huggers!
  • Reply 84 of 147
    Someone call Sarkozy. They know how to fix Greenpiece.
  • Reply 85 of 147
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    Looks like someone forgot to send a check to Greenpeace this month...
  • Reply 86 of 147
    [QUOTE=Rob55;1601340]Unfortunately, they're not Macs. They're hundreds of PC's still running XP.

    The Mac labs have no problems, but the PC labs and classrooms just sit there and idle away.

    /QUOTE]



    Probably have CRT monitors, too! What can I say?



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  • Reply 87 of 147
    gigawiregigawire Posts: 196member
    Hey Greenpeace-STFU!
  • Reply 88 of 147
    slackulaslackula Posts: 262member
    Yeah, and I am sure that Apple being such a huge environmental polluter is all George W. Bush's fault somehow....
  • Reply 89 of 147
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    In a somewhat related announcement, Greenpeace also took pregnant mothers as well as their delivery doctors, hospitals and birthing clinics to task when a recently released study indicated a SHOCKINGLY ENORMOUS carbon footprint directly tied to their reckless activities. While Greenpeace always had pro-abortion leanings, the leadership is now turning it up a notch and pushing our government leaders to make them mandatory! .
  • Reply 90 of 147
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by echosonic View Post


    Please keep your leftist insanity in the closet where it belongs.







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by echosonic View Post


    at what point did these idiots typo "CO2" instead of CO, and was it the same time the rest of you idiots decided to forget en masse that CARBON DIOXIDE IS WHAT PLANTS NEED TO SURVIVE.



    CARBON MONOXIDE IS WHAT COME OUT OF FACTORIES AND ENGINES.



    you goddamn socialist greentards aren't even trying anymore, are you?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Please don't display your ignorance of the issues involved in public.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by echosonic View Post


    Please keep your leftist insanity in the closet where it belongs.



    You really need to cool it, your rants have pushed this thread's the carbon credits beyond our allotment, we might have to do some carbon credit trading with MacRumors or Mac 9-5.



    Where do you get the idea that anantksundaram has leftist leanings because he corrected your ERROR/MISCONCEPTION that CO is the main emission from coal burning power plants plants?



    If you have the inclination you may want to read from the websites (checked out the source and they are not leftist). And reading from other post you are just plain wrong--we can't all be leftist communist--can we???



    CO2 Emissions

    http://www.pewclimate.org/global-war.../coalfacts.cfm



    http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electri...co2report.html



    Auto Emissions

    http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/05-autos.pdf
  • Reply 91 of 147
    Greenpeace is transferring the problem of US dirty coal energy upon the iPad, not because it wants to restrict business or improve the world, but because associating itself with the latest news buzz enables the group to gain visibility and therefore donations.



    The actual argument is absurd. SO yeah, the iPad is painting Maps using Google's servers, and those servers are likely be powered by coal because everything in the US is. But would we be better off running Google Maps from a 3GHz desktop PC consuming 300 watts 24/7?



    This is absolute hysterical bullshit, and it's sad AI picked up the story to provide more voice to an organization that does little more than co-opt the green work of other reputable enviro groups, fundraise, and then take credit for positive things that other companies do.
  • Reply 92 of 147
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Probably have CRT monitors, too! What can I say?



    Good one. They're actually all LCD monitors though. The gear is all fairly recent. I think they lease a new batch of PCs every 3 years or so. It's just that they don't support a sleep mode prior to login. Maybe when they roll out Windows 7 before the fall semester.
  • Reply 93 of 147
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    Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post


    Good one. They're actually all LCD monitors though. The gear is all fairly recent. I think they lease a new batch of PCs every 3 years or so. It's just that they don't support a sleep mode prior to login. Maybe when they roll out Windows 7 before the fall semester.



    there's probably a big warm blue glow from that room. i know there is 50% of the time from my lab...
  • Reply 94 of 147
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,582member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by swtchdtomak View Post


    Because Greenpeace needs large entities to be the enemy to a) generate headlines and b) not blame the average Joe, whose donations they live off of.



    That's not going to work. I'm a supporter of Greenpeace as well as many other environmental organizations, but when I read garbage like this, it makes me consider whether to renew with Greenpeace this year or not.



    When it comes to carbon footprints, you can't look at any one thing. You have to look at the average carbon footprint of a person or society based on all of their activities and then look for solutions. I agree with those who feel that the carbon footprint of both the physical retail and e-commerce retail of physical products, where people either drive to physical shopping centers to purchase paper or plastic goods or where physical goods are shipped to individual consumers, both probably exceed the cloud model.



    But even if they don't, the answer to is to improve energy efficiency at data centers, which is something I'm sure large data centers are always working on because it is a major cost component. What Greenpeace should be doing is looking for practical solutions to renewable energy issues...like why there isn't a single manufacturer of solar panels in the U.S. and while there are U.S.-based manufacturers of machine tools to manufacture solar panels, all of their sales have been overseas.
  • Reply 95 of 147
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    nongovernmental organization



    Are you sure about that? I have my doubts
  • Reply 96 of 147
    Hey greenpeace, what about the difference if millions of people start using their iPads on daily basis to see movies, browse the web, emails, chat, etc, etc, etc, which uses something like 3 to 6W per hour, instead of their 60W to 250W watts per hour computers and their 40W to 180W per hour monitors???



    Doesn't that count?
  • Reply 97 of 147
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    Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post


    ..... solutions to renewable energy issues...like why there isn't a single manufacturer of solar panels in the U.S. ......



    Not true: There is an outstanding AZ-based company that's a pretty impressive global player, First Solar -- http://www.firstsolar.com/en/index.php



    I even own some stock (although I can't say that part of my portfolio has performed as well Apple has! ).
  • Reply 98 of 147
    Greenpeace=douchebags
  • Reply 99 of 147
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by diamondgeeza View Post


    there's probably a big warm blue glow from that room. i know there is 50% of the time from my lab...



    You nailed it right on the head.
  • Reply 100 of 147
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    I think the proliferation of wireless devices may pose a greater threat to humans from the increased exposure to radiation. Hell what do I know? I only work in the field of medical x-ray equipment.
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