I don't know about the innards but I find it hard to believe this is an Apple designed product. I've been an Apple/Mac user since 1988 and this external design is NOT Apple. Now, maybe the externals are rough and they have something else in mind. Maybe it's an early prototype. Maybe it's fake. I have no clue. But I am hard pressed to see an Apple design in this. (It would not stop me from buying it, mind you. I care mostly about how the phone functions.)
For all of you falling in love with it, I hope we come back to this thread when the next gen iPhone comes out and then you can prove me wrong or vice-versa.
I think by less ergonomic, he means that since it has no tapered edges or roundness to it at all, you'd feel it slicing into your hand and not as comfortable to hold as the current iPhone.
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The thing is, these devices are meant to be held while they're being used. Even the original iPhone wasn't completely square. That thing had nice smooth round sides. This new iPhone looks like a block of aluminum.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
Also, to my eye, at least, the flat sides are necessary with the thinner form to make it comfortable to hold. I think the ergonomics are very well thought out.
Even Apple co-founder Steve Jobs himself was spotted with an iPhone in public before the device was formally released to the masses.
Not the same thing at all. That photo was in March 2007, before the iPhone went on sale, but well after the public iPhone introduction on 10th January 2007.
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1) The design is uninspired (not that important, but it shows Apple have become complacent.)
2) Why no Xenon flash? What is the point of a top notch image browsing feature (one of the iPhone's greatest assets) and yet one still needs to use a 3rd party camera, import into iPhoto and then sync with the iPhone to get it on the bl**dy device? Why not include a decent camera, like Nokia and Sony Ericsson have done?
3) Why no mechanical shutter release for the camera?
4) MOST IMPORTANTLY, and why I am now going to sell my iPhone 3GS 32G and buy an Android phone: Whilst the display is high res (great!), it is no larger, in fact, slightly smaller! To read eBooks, web pages etc requires a screen of at least 4" diagonal.
Wow, in how many ways can you be so uninformed? Setting aside the design question, since de gustibus non est disputandum (I like it, feel free not to), but addressing your other points:
2) How do you know it's not a decent camera? Third party tests already show that your 3GS camera takes better photos than many other cell phone cameras that have supposedly superior specs. Especially in low light, even without a flash. I have no idea what the results of the new camera are: do you? Xenon flash? Goodbye battery life...
3) Why no mechanical shutter release? Again, how would you even know there isn't one? Incidentally that would seem easy to implement in software, even for the existing iPhone models. For instance the down volume button could be switched to a shutter release when the camera app is active. Is this really an issue for anyone?
4) I'm sure we're all just thrilled to hear of your purchasing plans, but I think your judgment might need to be questioned, based as it is on a product you've never seen, touched or used.
The only true question that remains at this point is... will it come in white?
Although I now own a black 3GS (not my choice, was a gift to me), my original 3G was white. It was super sexy and classy. I can only hope that Apple offers a white version for this baby. Moreover, I would love to see a white front in addition to back. The only (slight) mod required would be to invert the Home button color scheme.
I think by less ergonomic, he means that since it has no tapered edges or roundness to it at all, you'd feel it slicing into your hand and not as comfortable to hold as the current iPhone.
Yes, I do realize that the iMac is similar in it's squareness but do you hold the iMac in your hand while you use it? Do you hold the Mac Mini while you use it? Imagine if they made the Magic Mouse a square block.
The thing is, these devices are meant to be held while they're being used. Even the original iPhone wasn't completely square. That thing had nice smooth round sides. This new iPhone looks like a block of aluminum.
I can already imagine people calling it the iCe Cream Sandwich phone.
So, will the Touches also be "upgraded" to this new case design? Can we expect a CPU iteration on them as well (assuming the iPhone gets one, which seems plausible)? How about the new hi-res screen? Or will this new design just be a top-tier item and the rest of the Touch OS line will stay put?
I think by less ergonomic, he means that since it has no tapered edges or roundness to it at all, you'd feel it slicing into your hand and not as comfortable to hold as the current iPhone.
Yes, I do realize that the iMac is similar in it's squareness but do you hold the iMac in your hand while you use it? Do you hold the Mac Mini while you use it? Imagine if they made the Magic Mouse a square block.
The thing is, these devices are meant to be held while they're being used. Even the original iPhone wasn't completely square. That thing had nice smooth round sides. This new iPhone looks like a block of aluminum.
I can already imagine people calling it the iCe Cream Sandwich phone.
I like the design, but I can see where people are coming from when they say it's less ergonomic. That's all.
But that isn't even true. The aluminum sides extend out further than the glass front and the back. The edges of the aluminum are rounded where they meet the glass and the edges of the glass are rounded as well. I don't see how it would slice into your hand.
As an accomplished designer, I disagree with this statement whole-heartedly... While there are similarities in the new design to the iPad and current iMac lineup, there are major cosmetic differences in the new iPhone design that make it look unfinished and below the Apple standard.
Agreed. The prototype is way too ugly to be a finished Apple product. It looks like an ice cream sandwich.
I think the new design looks great, and I'm guessing it will feel like a nice solid slab in the hand. One thing that bothers me is the front-facing camera which is off to the side. Although I've seen it done this way elsewhere, I can't help but think that it spoils such a well-designed device. I realise there are probably technical reasons for this, but it would have been nicer if the camera were centered between the speaker and screen, for example.
As per the design, I LOVE the round rocker buttons. It's a refreshing breakup from the very angular and boxy shapes going on in this revision. As people have said earlier, its looks retro, but in a good way. The seams along the left and right side look fine to me, and it even evokes the original iPhone's "battery" bottom look, even thought the battery lies vertically here. Not so keen on the top seam, as it seems oddly out of place (and asymmetrical) with the rest of the design, so I'm hoping they ditch the top seam. We'll see how scratch resistant (or attractive) the back is. If it is indeed ceramic, I'm hoping Apple lacquers over the metal logo, as this is one of the most scratch-able surfaces. I don't keep my iPhone in a case, so this is a much desired improvement I'd love to see.
I think the top seam looks great and is my favorite seam on the phone! The main reason is because I feel like it separates the headphone jack in a great assymetrical way. As a graphic designer I understand assymetry in design and that assymetry was on purpose. It is well placed and separates the headphone jack and filtering hole from the rest of the top. I don't think the phone would look the same without it.
Also, to my eye, at least, the flat sides are necessary with the thinner form to make it comfortable to hold. I think the ergonomics are very well thought out.
Hear hear. In a previous thread a long time ago I wished for flat sides as it would make the phone better to handle. I am glad Apple has gone more square. Much nicer.
Tell your friends on facebook. We don't really care much.
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Everyone has been begging for new features for the iPhone hardware and the OS and in 1 (count it: ONE) year it will have added Multitasking, Folders, Homepage Wallpapers, Front facing video camera, Bigger back camera w/ Camera flash, Game Center, iBooks, a bigger battery, and even a new back for the new iPhone to improve reception. Instead of everyone praising Apple, they're saying..."umm...this looks sad....stupid....they're lazy....blah....blah....blah..."
So now they've almost caught up to Android. Some of us were hoping for innovation.
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You guys suck... I'm ... IN LOVe]E) ... RETARDS!
This sort of pathetic emotionalism over a multinational corporation is why some people hate Apple customers.
But that isn't even true. The aluminum sides extend out further than the glass front and the back. The edges of the aluminum are rounded where they meet the glass and the edges of the glass are rounded as well. I don't see how it would slice into your hand.
I don't know about the innards but I find it hard to believe this is an Apple designed product. I've been an Apple/Mac user since 1988 and this external design is NOT Apple.
I bought my first Apple product in 1985 and I agree with you.
The product I bought is now in the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art in New York. This prototype is not up to Apple's usual standards.
me too....I don't think the photos do it justice. It's thinner/smaller, most likely faster and has improved battery life. Whenever, Apple makes a design change it takes awhile to get used to and appreciate the design elements.
I thought 'white' plastic, iMacs, iPhone, iPods, Macbooks etc were the bee's knees. Such a difference from the 'funeral black and pallbearer gray' colors of the Dells, HP's, Sony's, etc.
Now i love the aluminum look of Apples product line. But it took awhile. I'm typing this on my original intel MacBook and have a white 3Gs and an original white intel iMac.
Looks to me like the new iPhone design is influenced by the new iPad with the outer edge very similar.
Going to get the iPad 3G, new iPhone and a 27" iMac this summer.
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For all of you falling in love with it, I hope we come back to this thread when the next gen iPhone comes out and then you can prove me wrong or vice-versa.
I think by less ergonomic, he means that since it has no tapered edges or roundness to it at all, you'd feel it slicing into your hand and not as comfortable to hold as the current iPhone.
[...]
The thing is, these devices are meant to be held while they're being used. Even the original iPhone wasn't completely square. That thing had nice smooth round sides. This new iPhone looks like a block of aluminum.
[...]
Also, to my eye, at least, the flat sides are necessary with the thinner form to make it comfortable to hold. I think the ergonomics are very well thought out.
Just to reiterate the point.
Even Apple co-founder Steve Jobs himself was spotted with an iPhone in public before the device was formally released to the masses.
Not the same thing at all. That photo was in March 2007, before the iPhone went on sale, but well after the public iPhone introduction on 10th January 2007.
1) The design is uninspired (not that important, but it shows Apple have become complacent.)
2) Why no Xenon flash? What is the point of a top notch image browsing feature (one of the iPhone's greatest assets) and yet one still needs to use a 3rd party camera, import into iPhoto and then sync with the iPhone to get it on the bl**dy device? Why not include a decent camera, like Nokia and Sony Ericsson have done?
3) Why no mechanical shutter release for the camera?
4) MOST IMPORTANTLY, and why I am now going to sell my iPhone 3GS 32G and buy an Android phone: Whilst the display is high res (great!), it is no larger, in fact, slightly smaller! To read eBooks, web pages etc requires a screen of at least 4" diagonal.
Wow, in how many ways can you be so uninformed? Setting aside the design question, since de gustibus non est disputandum (I like it, feel free not to), but addressing your other points:
2) How do you know it's not a decent camera? Third party tests already show that your 3GS camera takes better photos than many other cell phone cameras that have supposedly superior specs. Especially in low light, even without a flash. I have no idea what the results of the new camera are: do you? Xenon flash? Goodbye battery life...
3) Why no mechanical shutter release? Again, how would you even know there isn't one? Incidentally that would seem easy to implement in software, even for the existing iPhone models. For instance the down volume button could be switched to a shutter release when the camera app is active. Is this really an issue for anyone?
4) I'm sure we're all just thrilled to hear of your purchasing plans, but I think your judgment might need to be questioned, based as it is on a product you've never seen, touched or used.
Although I now own a black 3GS (not my choice, was a gift to me), my original 3G was white. It was super sexy and classy. I can only hope that Apple offers a white version for this baby. Moreover, I would love to see a white front in addition to back. The only (slight) mod required would be to invert the Home button color scheme.
I think by less ergonomic, he means that since it has no tapered edges or roundness to it at all, you'd feel it slicing into your hand and not as comfortable to hold as the current iPhone.
Yes, I do realize that the iMac is similar in it's squareness but do you hold the iMac in your hand while you use it? Do you hold the Mac Mini while you use it? Imagine if they made the Magic Mouse a square block.
The thing is, these devices are meant to be held while they're being used. Even the original iPhone wasn't completely square. That thing had nice smooth round sides. This new iPhone looks like a block of aluminum.
I can already imagine people calling it the iCe Cream Sandwich phone.
Thank you.
He said a mechanical shutter release, as in an actual physical button to take a picture, not a mechanical shutter.
- Jasen.
I think by less ergonomic, he means that since it has no tapered edges or roundness to it at all, you'd feel it slicing into your hand and not as comfortable to hold as the current iPhone.
Yes, I do realize that the iMac is similar in it's squareness but do you hold the iMac in your hand while you use it? Do you hold the Mac Mini while you use it? Imagine if they made the Magic Mouse a square block.
The thing is, these devices are meant to be held while they're being used. Even the original iPhone wasn't completely square. That thing had nice smooth round sides. This new iPhone looks like a block of aluminum.
I can already imagine people calling it the iCe Cream Sandwich phone.
I like the design, but I can see where people are coming from when they say it's less ergonomic. That's all.
But that isn't even true. The aluminum sides extend out further than the glass front and the back. The edges of the aluminum are rounded where they meet the glass and the edges of the glass are rounded as well. I don't see how it would slice into your hand.
As an accomplished designer, I disagree with this statement whole-heartedly... While there are similarities in the new design to the iPad and current iMac lineup, there are major cosmetic differences in the new iPhone design that make it look unfinished and below the Apple standard.
Agreed. The prototype is way too ugly to be a finished Apple product. It looks like an ice cream sandwich.
As per the design, I LOVE the round rocker buttons. It's a refreshing breakup from the very angular and boxy shapes going on in this revision. As people have said earlier, its looks retro, but in a good way. The seams along the left and right side look fine to me, and it even evokes the original iPhone's "battery" bottom look, even thought the battery lies vertically here. Not so keen on the top seam, as it seems oddly out of place (and asymmetrical) with the rest of the design, so I'm hoping they ditch the top seam. We'll see how scratch resistant (or attractive) the back is. If it is indeed ceramic, I'm hoping Apple lacquers over the metal logo, as this is one of the most scratch-able surfaces. I don't keep my iPhone in a case, so this is a much desired improvement I'd love to see.
I think the top seam looks great and is my favorite seam on the phone! The main reason is because I feel like it separates the headphone jack in a great assymetrical way. As a graphic designer I understand assymetry in design and that assymetry was on purpose. It is well placed and separates the headphone jack and filtering hole from the rest of the top. I don't think the phone would look the same without it.
The open design of Android sure has advantages, just as Windows, but it also keep them more complex and less stable.
Would you agree that the "open design" of OS X keeps Macs more complex and less stable?
If not, why not?
Agreed. The prototype is way too ugly to be a finished Apple product. It looks like an ice cream sandwich.
But...I love ice cream sandwiches...*sniff*
Agreed. The prototype is way too ugly to be a finished Apple product. It looks like an ice cream sandwich.
What's wrong with ice cream sandwiches?
They tend to be delicious, as this iPhone will be. Apple should call it the iPhone ICS
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But...I love ice cream sandwiches...*sniff*
Damn, you beat me to it!
What's wrong with ice cream sandwiches?
They tend to be delicious, as this iPhone will be.
Just make sure you don't accidentally eat yours when you get it.
Also, to my eye, at least, the flat sides are necessary with the thinner form to make it comfortable to hold. I think the ergonomics are very well thought out.
Hear hear. In a previous thread a long time ago I wished for flat sides as it would make the phone better to handle. I am glad Apple has gone more square. Much nicer.
I am absolutely DISGUSTED with some of you!
Tell your friends on facebook. We don't really care much.
Everyone has been begging for new features for the iPhone hardware and the OS and in 1 (count it: ONE) year it will have added Multitasking, Folders, Homepage Wallpapers, Front facing video camera, Bigger back camera w/ Camera flash, Game Center, iBooks, a bigger battery, and even a new back for the new iPhone to improve reception. Instead of everyone praising Apple, they're saying..."umm...this looks sad....stupid....they're lazy....blah....blah....blah..."
So now they've almost caught up to Android. Some of us were hoping for innovation.
You guys suck... I'm ... IN LOVe]E) ... RETARDS!
This sort of pathetic emotionalism over a multinational corporation is why some people hate Apple customers.
But that isn't even true. The aluminum sides extend out further than the glass front and the back. The edges of the aluminum are rounded where they meet the glass and the edges of the glass are rounded as well. I don't see how it would slice into your hand.
http://gizmodo.com/5520155/gal-1//gallery/9
The edge of the aluminum to the glass does not look rounded or beveled. View the full size of the image above and look above the right speaker/mic.
Oops. Look at image 9. I've edited my post.
Edit 2: You can see that it's not beveled even easier on image 7. http://gizmodo.com/5520155/gal-1//gallery/7
I don't know about the innards but I find it hard to believe this is an Apple designed product. I've been an Apple/Mac user since 1988 and this external design is NOT Apple.
I bought my first Apple product in 1985 and I agree with you.
The product I bought is now in the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art in New York. This prototype is not up to Apple's usual standards.
I'm in line.
me too....I don't think the photos do it justice. It's thinner/smaller, most likely faster and has improved battery life. Whenever, Apple makes a design change it takes awhile to get used to and appreciate the design elements.
I thought 'white' plastic, iMacs, iPhone, iPods, Macbooks etc were the bee's knees. Such a difference from the 'funeral black and pallbearer gray' colors of the Dells, HP's, Sony's, etc.
Now i love the aluminum look of Apples product line. But it took awhile. I'm typing this on my original intel MacBook and have a white 3Gs and an original white intel iMac.
Looks to me like the new iPhone design is influenced by the new iPad with the outer edge very similar.
Going to get the iPad 3G, new iPhone and a 27" iMac this summer.