it would definitely work on more mobile browsers than flash, if that's where you getting at...
but you'd need to support all of them. It seems like things have gotten worse here as a developer.
So you want to something cool. I guess the only option at this point, develop the flash for desktop, and redirect to a mobile dumbed down version for now.
Because Apple first criticized THEM for a product that doesn't exist.
no they didn't. Apple criticized the current and all prior versions of Flash. Adobe replied with 'but the next version' which hasn't released yet. And thus, since it hasn't released, it's very dang hard, for Adobe to substantiate their claims that it works great.
the fact is that Adobe has never hidden that they are Windows focused. They do that version first then slap on a few lines of code to make it work (more or less) on Apple. Not just Flash but everything. Despite the fact that as much as half their sales go to Mac users they have never optimized their software for the Mac OS. And seem to have no intention to.
But instead of dealing with that issue, they are trying to play emotional games to make themselves look like good guys, etc
wonderful. Soooo, this needs to be developed more than once, to support all browsers????
That is how the web development has always been since the days of Netscape vs. Explorer. Not likely to change anytime soon. If you do use Flash or you do use HTML5 you should budget some development time for fall back content. Only the most basic html pages can be expected to render well in ALL browsers.
It's not "webkit proprietary code". It's currently only supported in Webkit because of where and why it was created, and it being part of CSS3, which is still very new and a working draft. I'm not even sure Chrome yet supports it which is Webkit-based. It's easy to code while using low resources so I expect this one to pass and be widely adopted. You can't expect everyone to adopt something out of the gate. I gate Adobe 2 years to get Flash straightened out. All I heard were promises. It's now been almost 3.5 years and it's still not available for a single Android phone.
What ever you do to try to block ads, there will be a workaround developed by the people who have a different agenda. Example: Gordon.js can run Flash ads even on an iPhone and is not detected by Click to Flash, not that many are using that method presently.
Once advertising income is being lost due to blocking, they will just come up with another even more insidious method of delivering them. Kind of makes you wonder how prevalent Flash blocking really is, since the advertisers don't seem to be showing any signs of moving away from Flash to HTML5.
Jailbreak -> Change root and mobile passwords -> install openssh -> use Transmit (SFTP mode) to copy hosts from iPhone/iPod/iPad to desktop -> edit hosts file and add contents from here -> copy hosts file back to iDevice -> WINNER (even gets rid of stupid admob ads in free apps)!
Even easier on desktop.
Bonus points: point google.com to bing's ip address so that searches in Safari go to bing, just to break the Google addiction
That is how the web development has always been since the days of Netscape vs. Explorer. Not likely to change anytime soon. If you do use Flash or you do use HTML5 you should budget some development time for fall back content. Only the most basic html pages can be expected to render well in ALL browsers.
tell me something I don't know.
As I said, flash content for enabled browsers, and then swfObject alt content and redirect for mobile.
but you'd need to support all of them. It seems like things have gotten worse here as a developer.
So you want to something cool. I guess the only option at this point, develop the flash for desktop, and redirect to a mobile dumbed down version for now.
i personally don't think that's the way to go. the days of frivolous eye-candy are over. i know there are some things you can do in flash that aren't yet possible (at least easily) to do in other ways. if you really look at usability though, i think there's always an easier, more efficient way to deliver information. how many times have you found the info you were really looking for on the google result page, without ever visiting the originating site?
restaurants are a good example. they often do their entire sites in flash, with mind numbing animated floating text and useless pan & scans. when you're just looking for their hours, address, and maybe want to have a look at their menus, why bother delivering goo to potential customers and block mobile users in the process? looks to me like somebody oversold them... we need to educate our clients and convince them that usability always trumps visual complexity. if they buy an iphone, they'll figure that out themselves rather quickly.
i personally don't think that's the way to go. the days of frivolous eye-candy are over. i know there are some things you can do in flash that aren't yet possible (at least easily) to do in other ways. if you really look at usability though, i think there's always an easier, more efficient way to deliver information. how many times have you found the info you were really looking for on the google result page, without ever visiting the originating site?
restaurants are a good example. they often do their entire sites in flash, with mind numbing animated floating text and useless pan & scans. when you're just looking for their hours, address, and maybe want to have a look at their menus, why bother delivering goo to potential customers and block mobile users in the process? looks to me like somebody oversold them... we need to educate our clients and convince them that usability always trumps visual complexity. if they buy an iphone, they'll figure that out themselves rather quickly.
It's not "webkit proprietary code". It's currently only supported in Webkit because of where and why it was created, and it being part of CSS3, which is still very new and a working draft. I'm not even sure Chrome yet supports it which is Webkit-based. It's easy to code while using low resources so I expect this one to pass and be widely adopted. You can't expect everyone to adopt something out of the gate. I gate Adobe 2 years to get Flash straightened out. All I heard were promises. It's now been almost 3.5 years and it's still not available for a single Android phone.
oh so you finally admit, that things aren't worked out, it's a draft.
Do you have a timeline as to when developers can use this to target all browsers at once? When will this actually "kill flash" on the desktop?
1) This is the first time CSS3 has been mentioned.
2) The timeline is up to them but you'll likely still claim that because Apple created it that it's proprietary.
3) No one is talking about killing Flash on the desktop or otherwise. Adobe is the only one killing Flash in any way, shape or form. Everyone else is talking about better, more efficent ways to push data across the web. You're the one with the smarmy remarks trying to make it into some personal war that can only be seen in black or white.
That's good. I'm glad you are happy. You can put this into the 'I'm happy for you' part of your day. As for me, I don't give a crack about running Flash. So 'it's good for me.' today too!
Imagine that. To each their own.
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Originally Posted by yesiCan
I'm so glad I bought a new 13" MacBook Pro that plays flash rather than an iPad that doesn't.
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wonderful. Soooo, this needs to be developed more than once, to support all browsers????
it would definitely work on more mobile browsers than flash, if that's where you getting at...
Not working in FF
View the source all webkit proprietary code.
could you look at the source code if it were flash?
it would definitely work on more mobile browsers than flash, if that's where you getting at...
but you'd need to support all of them. It seems like things have gotten worse here as a developer.
So you want to something cool. I guess the only option at this point, develop the flash for desktop, and redirect to a mobile dumbed down version for now.
Because Apple first criticized THEM for a product that doesn't exist.
no they didn't. Apple criticized the current and all prior versions of Flash. Adobe replied with 'but the next version' which hasn't released yet. And thus, since it hasn't released, it's very dang hard, for Adobe to substantiate their claims that it works great.
the fact is that Adobe has never hidden that they are Windows focused. They do that version first then slap on a few lines of code to make it work (more or less) on Apple. Not just Flash but everything. Despite the fact that as much as half their sales go to Mac users they have never optimized their software for the Mac OS. And seem to have no intention to.
But instead of dealing with that issue, they are trying to play emotional games to make themselves look like good guys, etc
wonderful. Soooo, this needs to be developed more than once, to support all browsers????
That is how the web development has always been since the days of Netscape vs. Explorer. Not likely to change anytime soon. If you do use Flash or you do use HTML5 you should budget some development time for fall back content. Only the most basic html pages can be expected to render well in ALL browsers.
It's not "webkit proprietary code". It's currently only supported in Webkit because of where and why it was created, and it being part of CSS3, which is still very new and a working draft. I'm not even sure Chrome yet supports it which is Webkit-based. It's easy to code while using low resources so I expect this one to pass and be widely adopted. You can't expect everyone to adopt something out of the gate. I gate Adobe 2 years to get Flash straightened out. All I heard were promises. It's now been almost 3.5 years and it's still not available for a single Android phone.
oh so you finally admit, that things aren't worked out, it's a draft.
Do you have a timeline as to when developers can use this to target all browsers at once? When will this actually "kill flash" on the desktop?
What ever you do to try to block ads, there will be a workaround developed by the people who have a different agenda. Example: Gordon.js can run Flash ads even on an iPhone and is not detected by Click to Flash, not that many are using that method presently.
Once advertising income is being lost due to blocking, they will just come up with another even more insidious method of delivering them. Kind of makes you wonder how prevalent Flash blocking really is, since the advertisers don't seem to be showing any signs of moving away from Flash to HTML5.
Jailbreak -> Change root and mobile passwords -> install openssh -> use Transmit (SFTP mode) to copy hosts from iPhone/iPod/iPad to desktop -> edit hosts file and add contents from here -> copy hosts file back to iDevice -> WINNER (even gets rid of stupid admob ads in free apps)!
Even easier on desktop.
Bonus points: point google.com to bing's ip address so that searches in Safari go to bing, just to break the Google addiction
could you look at the source code if it were flash?
Yes unless the author deliberately encrypted it with third party tools and even then some of those tools do not encrypt that well.
That is how the web development has always been since the days of Netscape vs. Explorer. Not likely to change anytime soon. If you do use Flash or you do use HTML5 you should budget some development time for fall back content. Only the most basic html pages can be expected to render well in ALL browsers.
tell me something I don't know.
As I said, flash content for enabled browsers, and then swfObject alt content and redirect for mobile.
I can't say I'm too surprised that you'd summarize it that way. ...
No, I should think not, if you have any memory of your posts.
but you'd need to support all of them. It seems like things have gotten worse here as a developer.
So you want to something cool. I guess the only option at this point, develop the flash for desktop, and redirect to a mobile dumbed down version for now.
i personally don't think that's the way to go. the days of frivolous eye-candy are over. i know there are some things you can do in flash that aren't yet possible (at least easily) to do in other ways. if you really look at usability though, i think there's always an easier, more efficient way to deliver information. how many times have you found the info you were really looking for on the google result page, without ever visiting the originating site?
restaurants are a good example. they often do their entire sites in flash, with mind numbing animated floating text and useless pan & scans. when you're just looking for their hours, address, and maybe want to have a look at their menus, why bother delivering goo to potential customers and block mobile users in the process? looks to me like somebody oversold them... we need to educate our clients and convince them that usability always trumps visual complexity. if they buy an iphone, they'll figure that out themselves rather quickly.
just my $0.02.
it would definitely work on more mobile browsers than flash, if that's where you getting at...
Devices that support CSS3 3D Transforms: ~90,000,000
Devices that support Flash 10.1: zero, zip, nada, none, nothing, nil, naught, nought; informal zilch, nix, zip, nada, diddly-squat, zilch
Devices that will support Flash 10.1: The number of Nexus One and Droid Incredibles sold to date? How many is that?
No, I should think not, if you have any memory of your posts.
you just gotta laugh when people resort to the teenager flamer talk.
Grow up and get back to the discussion table. What I summarized was easy to understand.
i personally don't think that's the way to go. the days of frivolous eye-candy are over. i know there are some things you can do in flash that aren't yet possible (at least easily) to do in other ways. if you really look at usability though, i think there's always an easier, more efficient way to deliver information. how many times have you found the info you were really looking for on the google result page, without ever visiting the originating site?
restaurants are a good example. they often do their entire sites in flash, with mind numbing animated floating text and useless pan & scans. when you're just looking for their hours, address, and maybe want to have a look at their menus, why bother delivering goo to potential customers and block mobile users in the process? looks to me like somebody oversold them... we need to educate our clients and convince them that usability always trumps visual complexity. if they buy an iphone, they'll figure that out themselves rather quickly.
just my $0.02.
obviously, you don't run a web shop.
It's not "webkit proprietary code". It's currently only supported in Webkit because of where and why it was created, and it being part of CSS3, which is still very new and a working draft. I'm not even sure Chrome yet supports it which is Webkit-based. It's easy to code while using low resources so I expect this one to pass and be widely adopted. You can't expect everyone to adopt something out of the gate. I gate Adobe 2 years to get Flash straightened out. All I heard were promises. It's now been almost 3.5 years and it's still not available for a single Android phone.
-webkit-animation-name: x-spin;
-webkit-animation-duration: 7s;
-webkit-animation-iteration-count: infinite;
-webkit-animation-timing-function: linear;
What part of this code is not webkit proprietary code. Like I said LOOK at the source code it is webkit only all over the place
Yes unless the author deliberately encrypted it with third party tools and even then some of those tools do not encrypt that well.
thanks. do you have to own adobe's flash to read the source? are there usable alternatives to adobe's tools for all platforms?
obviously, you don't run a web shop.
obviously you are a flash developer.
thanks. do you have to own adobe's flash to read the source? are there usable alternatives to adobe's tools for all platforms?
Yes, and not to my knowledge.
oh so you finally admit, that things aren't worked out, it's a draft.
Do you have a timeline as to when developers can use this to target all browsers at once? When will this actually "kill flash" on the desktop?
1) This is the first time CSS3 has been mentioned.
2) The timeline is up to them but you'll likely still claim that because Apple created it that it's proprietary.
3) No one is talking about killing Flash on the desktop or otherwise. Adobe is the only one killing Flash in any way, shape or form. Everyone else is talking about better, more efficent ways to push data across the web. You're the one with the smarmy remarks trying to make it into some personal war that can only be seen in black or white.
Imagine that. To each their own.
I'm so glad I bought a new 13" MacBook Pro that plays flash rather than an iPad that doesn't.
For $300 more I got the whole kit and kaboodle.