More BS, I'm uploading at 1.6 mbps over 3G in mid, Coastal, NJ
Edit: How I do post a screen shot of my speedtest on my iPhone here?
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Originally Posted by pmz
Ok, wtf, suddenly I'm not getting the upload speeds I've been getting for 2 weeks!
now i'm getting 100 kbps instead of 1.6 mbps.............?
That?s the thing. There are areas with an issue. This sounds like a band update to the network happened this past weekend. People are using the network less (they give free night and weekends for a reason) so it makes sense to do an update that time. We?ve seen this sort of thing happen before. I?ve cause a not un-similar thing to happen before with networks.
You upload to Flickr or some other site, then use the button to add the image link.
Where is your proof or even a cogent argument of their willful throttling?
Why would they artificially limit the network throughput to make 3G is worse than EDGE?
Why didn?t do they purposely hobble their network in all regions?
Why would they do this after all those well advertised network upgrades to increase bandwidth?
Why do you think this has to be a deliberate act to limit usability, worsen customer satisfaction and weaken their already feeble grip on public perception at the risk of the last thing their network has going for them, their 3G network speed?
Where is your proof or even a cogent argument of their willful throttling?
Why would they artificially limit the network throughput to make 3G is worse than EDGE?
Why didn’t do they purposely hobble their network in all regions?
Why would they do this after all those well advertised network upgrades to increase bandwidth?
Why do you think this has to be a deliberate act to limit usability, worsen customer satisfaction and weaken their already feeble grip on public perception at the risk of the last thing their network has going for them, their 3G network speed?
Did you see the spreadsheet? Between 7/2 and 7/3 there was a drastic drop in upload speeds. You just don't go from 1Mbps+ upload speeds to less than 100kbps when there have been no changes to the hardware or software within the phone. Many of these tests were also conducted in similar conditions. This would lead me to conclude that this is being done on AT&T's end.
As to their reason for throttling, I suspect its to ration out the bandwidth from the sudden spike in bandwidth usage from all the new iPhone sales.
You just don't go from 1Mbps+ upload speeds to less than 100kbps when there have been no changes to the hardware or software within the phone.
Let?s use some common sense here. Not having a change on your end doesn?t mean something hasn?t happened on the network end. It also doesn?t mean any negative change was malevolent. You have ignored my very simple and direct questions as to why AT&T has purposely throttled the network as opposed to a bad patch to the network over the holiday weekend. Speaking from experience, holidays are when I put in the most OT and updates almost always had some issues. Some worse than others.
Scenario: You haven?t changed any network settings on your PC. You were getting 20Mb/s down and 5Mb/s up from your cable ISP and your bill current. All of a sudden you aren?t getting any network connection. Nothing. Does this mean your cable ISP has... A) ?throttled? your service down to zero, or some issue has happened beyond your PC (note that you didn?t change anything on your end)?
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As to their reason for throttling, I suspect its to ration out the bandwidth from the sudden spike in bandwidth usage from all the new iPhone sales.
Despite states that 75% of all iPhone 4 buyers are upgraders (which AT&T lest upgrade early despite not having to). I suppose the latency increase by about 50x from 300ms to 14,000ms is just another malicious way to limit your use of their network.
Let’s use some common sense here. Not having a change on your end doesn’t mean something hasn’t happened on the network end. It also doesn’t mean any negative change was malevolent. You have ignored my very simple and direct questions as to why AT&T has purposely throttled the network as opposed to a bad patch to the network over the holiday weekend. Speaking from experience, holidays are when I put in the most OT and updates almost always had some issues. Some worse than others.
If you even bothered to read my post, I concluded that the problem must have been on AT&T's end. As I've already told you, I suspect that AT&T is throttling to ration bandwidth.
FYI: Throttling to me means limiting the speed of the connection. Whether they are doing this by traffic shaping or through this so called "bad patch", the fact is that this has been going on for a week and AT&T should have fixed it by now.
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Scenario: You haven’t changed any network settings on your PC. You were getting 20Mb/s down and 5Mb/s up from your cable ISP and your bill current. All of a sudden you aren’t getting any network connection. Nothing. Does this mean your cable ISP has... A) “throttled” your service down to zero, or some issue has happened beyond your PC (note that you didn’t change anything on your end)?
First of all, having internet connection one day and not having one the next day is what is called a service outage. In this case, it would be like having 20mbps down and 5kbps up in the middle of the night when there is no traffic. If this was for one weekend I wouldn't mind, but to have it go on for a week without resolution..
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Despite states that 75% of all iPhone 4 buyers are upgraders (which AT&T lest upgrade early despite not having to). I suppose the latency increase by about 50x from 300ms to 14,000ms is just another malicious way to limit your use of their network.
So you think several more hundred thousand more users on an already strained network are going to help things out? Even when most of the customers were upgrades, there is going to be an inevitable increase in usage. Plus, with all the App updating and downloading, there is going to be a huge strain on their networks.
Did you see the spreadsheet? Between 7/2 and 7/3 there was a drastic drop in upload speeds. You just don't go from 1Mbps+ upload speeds to less than 100kbps when there have been no changes to the hardware or software within the phone. Many of these tests were also conducted in similar conditions. This would lead me to conclude that this is being done on AT&T's end.
As to their reason for throttling, I suspect its to ration out the bandwidth from the sudden spike in bandwidth usage from all the new iPhone sales.
Alcatel-Lucent has since accepted most of the blame for this. It's happening in a few markets, not everywhere. It also makes no sense, and bandwidth problems are from the download end, not the upload end.
In addition. They made a big public announcement not long ago about how they completed their networkwide upgrade to HSUPA. Why would they do that, and then shortly cut speeds to below what they were before the upgrade? That makes no sense at all.
It's a software glitch. Fortunately, it's a mild one. Not like the several over the years that Verizon has had, which knocked all phone service out over swaths of the country.
Ok, I'm sure you are thinking this is a paranoid, conspiracy theory moment. But, it's not, really, I have proof. When I first picked up my iPhone 4 on June 24th at the Apple Store on 14th Street and 9th Avenue in NYC, I immediately ran some speed tests with really good results. I continued to run several over the next few days with similar results, all good. Here is what I will call my average performance post 7/2/2010 on AT&Ts 3G network with my iPhone 4 device:
2.5 Mbps Download speeds
1.5 Mbps Upload speeds
Now with that said, I can confirm that the day the news broke about AT&T throttling upload speeds, I saw a HUGE decrease in upload performance, lower than I've ever seen before, almost EDGE speeds if not worse. Today's speeds test reveals that the best upload speed I can acquire is 59 Kbps. Which, IMHO, is absolutely horrible and unacceptable. So, why would this be working so flawlessly in the NYC area and then all of a sudden, well, stop working so well. I know a few things about Network Engineering and QOS, and I think "software bug" is all a pile of rubbish and AT&T is in fact throttling us (the network behavior just fits). I'm just saying, seems really suspicious to me. Software bug, perhaps, throttling more likely .
So, why would this be working so flawlessly in the NYC area and then all of a sudden, well, stop working so well. I know a few things about Network Engineering and QOS, and I think "software bug" is all a pile of rubbish and AT&T is in fact throttling us (the network behavior just fits). I'm just saying, seems really suspicious to me. Software bug, perhaps, throttling more likely .
Ok, I'm sure you are thinking this is a paranoid, conspiracy theory moment. But, it's not, really, I have proof. When I first picked up my iPhone 4 on June 24th at the Apple Store on 14th Street and 9th Avenue in NYC, I immediately ran some speed tests with really good results. I continued to run several over the next few days with similar results, all good. Here is what I will call my average performance post 7/2/2010 on AT&Ts 3G network with my iPhone 4 device:
2.5 Mbps Download speeds
1.5 Mbps Upload speeds
Now with that said, I can confirm that the day the news broke about AT&T throttling upload speeds, I saw a HUGE decrease in upload performance, lower than I've ever seen before, almost EDGE speeds if not worse. Today's speeds test reveals that the best upload speed I can acquire is 59 Kbps. Which, IMHO, is absolutely horrible and unacceptable. So, why would this be working so flawlessly in the NYC area and then all of a sudden, well, stop working so well. I know a few things about Network Engineering and QOS, and I think "software bug" is all a pile of rubbish and AT&T is in fact throttling us (the network behavior just fits). I'm just saying, seems really suspicious to me. Software bug, perhaps, throttling more likely .
That's not proof of anything, and your knowledge seems to be severely limited. Software glitches in the telecommunications industry are common, and have led to many problems on ALL networks over the years. Since their equipment provider has already admitted themselves that the glitch is their fault, your statement isn't helpful.
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More BS, I'm uploading at 1.6 mbps over 3G in mid, Coastal, NJ
Edit: How I do post a screen shot of my speedtest on my iPhone here?
Ok, wtf, suddenly I'm not getting the upload speeds I've been getting for 2 weeks!
now i'm getting 100 kbps instead of 1.6 mbps.............?
That?s the thing. There are areas with an issue. This sounds like a band update to the network happened this past weekend. People are using the network less (they give free night and weekends for a reason) so it makes sense to do an update that time. We?ve seen this sort of thing happen before. I?ve cause a not un-similar thing to happen before with networks.
You upload to Flickr or some other site, then use the
You must be new...
Not new but the banter in this thread seems excessive to me.
Yeah, they're throttling. Just exported from my phone.
image: ]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/XxATOLxX/attupload.jpg?t=1278708139
Did you see the spreadsheet? Between 7/2 and 7/3 there was a drastic drop in upload speeds. You just don't go from 1Mbps+ upload speeds to less than 100kbps when there have been no changes to the hardware or software within the phone. Many of these tests were also conducted in similar conditions. This would lead me to conclude that this is being done on AT&T's end.
As to their reason for throttling, I suspect its to ration out the bandwidth from the sudden spike in bandwidth usage from all the new iPhone sales.
You just don't go from 1Mbps+ upload speeds to less than 100kbps when there have been no changes to the hardware or software within the phone.
Let?s use some common sense here. Not having a change on your end doesn?t mean something hasn?t happened on the network end. It also doesn?t mean any negative change was malevolent. You have ignored my very simple and direct questions as to why AT&T has purposely throttled the network as opposed to a bad patch to the network over the holiday weekend. Speaking from experience, holidays are when I put in the most OT and updates almost always had some issues. Some worse than others.
Scenario: You haven?t changed any network settings on your PC. You were getting 20Mb/s down and 5Mb/s up from your cable ISP and your bill current. All of a sudden you aren?t getting any network connection. Nothing. Does this mean your cable ISP has... A) ?throttled? your service down to zero, or
As to their reason for throttling, I suspect its to ration out the bandwidth from the sudden spike in bandwidth usage from all the new iPhone sales.
Despite states that 75% of all iPhone 4 buyers are upgraders (which AT&T lest upgrade early despite not having to). I suppose the latency increase by about 50x from 300ms to 14,000ms is just another malicious way to limit your use of their network.
Let’s use some common sense here. Not having a change on your end doesn’t mean something hasn’t happened on the network end. It also doesn’t mean any negative change was malevolent. You have ignored my very simple and direct questions as to why AT&T has purposely throttled the network as opposed to a bad patch to the network over the holiday weekend. Speaking from experience, holidays are when I put in the most OT and updates almost always had some issues. Some worse than others.
If you even bothered to read my post, I concluded that the problem must have been on AT&T's end. As I've already told you, I suspect that AT&T is throttling to ration bandwidth.
FYI: Throttling to me means limiting the speed of the connection. Whether they are doing this by traffic shaping or through this so called "bad patch", the fact is that this has been going on for a week and AT&T should have fixed it by now.
Scenario: You haven’t changed any network settings on your PC. You were getting 20Mb/s down and 5Mb/s up from your cable ISP and your bill current. All of a sudden you aren’t getting any network connection. Nothing. Does this mean your cable ISP has... A) “throttled” your service down to zero, or
First of all, having internet connection one day and not having one the next day is what is called a service outage. In this case, it would be like having 20mbps down and 5kbps up in the middle of the night when there is no traffic. If this was for one weekend I wouldn't mind, but to have it go on for a week without resolution..
Despite states that 75% of all iPhone 4 buyers are upgraders (which AT&T lest upgrade early despite not having to). I suppose the latency increase by about 50x from 300ms to 14,000ms is just another malicious way to limit your use of their network.
So you think several more hundred thousand more users on an already strained network are going to help things out? Even when most of the customers were upgrades, there is going to be an inevitable increase in usage. Plus, with all the App updating and downloading, there is going to be a huge strain on their networks.
Did you see the spreadsheet? Between 7/2 and 7/3 there was a drastic drop in upload speeds. You just don't go from 1Mbps+ upload speeds to less than 100kbps when there have been no changes to the hardware or software within the phone. Many of these tests were also conducted in similar conditions. This would lead me to conclude that this is being done on AT&T's end.
As to their reason for throttling, I suspect its to ration out the bandwidth from the sudden spike in bandwidth usage from all the new iPhone sales.
Perhaps you've been reading the news about this?
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2...upload-speeds/
Alcatel-Lucent has since accepted most of the blame for this. It's happening in a few markets, not everywhere. It also makes no sense, and bandwidth problems are from the download end, not the upload end.
In addition. They made a big public announcement not long ago about how they completed their networkwide upgrade to HSUPA. Why would they do that, and then shortly cut speeds to below what they were before the upgrade? That makes no sense at all.
It's a software glitch. Fortunately, it's a mild one. Not like the several over the years that Verizon has had, which knocked all phone service out over swaths of the country.
Edit: Pipped by Melgross. And I typed all that on an iPhone. Oh well, keeps the mind sharp.
Heh heh!
It's because I can read your mind. Though I try not to. Some of the things in there. Really!
2.5 Mbps Download speeds
1.5 Mbps Upload speeds
Now with that said, I can confirm that the day the news broke about AT&T throttling upload speeds, I saw a HUGE decrease in upload performance, lower than I've ever seen before, almost EDGE speeds if not worse. Today's speeds test reveals that the best upload speed I can acquire is 59 Kbps. Which, IMHO, is absolutely horrible and unacceptable. So, why would this be working so flawlessly in the NYC area and then all of a sudden, well, stop working so well. I know a few things about Network Engineering and QOS, and I think "software bug" is all a pile of rubbish and AT&T is in fact throttling us (the network behavior just fits). I'm just saying, seems really suspicious to me. Software bug, perhaps, throttling more likely
So, why would this be working so flawlessly in the NYC area and then all of a sudden, well, stop working so well. I know a few things about Network Engineering and QOS, and I think "software bug" is all a pile of rubbish and AT&T is in fact throttling us (the network behavior just fits). I'm just saying, seems really suspicious to me. Software bug, perhaps, throttling more likely
? http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...8&postcount=89
Only satisfaction is that in the end AT&T is going to get screwed by all its customers.
Ok, I'm sure you are thinking this is a paranoid, conspiracy theory moment. But, it's not, really, I have proof. When I first picked up my iPhone 4 on June 24th at the Apple Store on 14th Street and 9th Avenue in NYC, I immediately ran some speed tests with really good results. I continued to run several over the next few days with similar results, all good. Here is what I will call my average performance post 7/2/2010 on AT&Ts 3G network with my iPhone 4 device:
2.5 Mbps Download speeds
1.5 Mbps Upload speeds
Now with that said, I can confirm that the day the news broke about AT&T throttling upload speeds, I saw a HUGE decrease in upload performance, lower than I've ever seen before, almost EDGE speeds if not worse. Today's speeds test reveals that the best upload speed I can acquire is 59 Kbps. Which, IMHO, is absolutely horrible and unacceptable. So, why would this be working so flawlessly in the NYC area and then all of a sudden, well, stop working so well. I know a few things about Network Engineering and QOS, and I think "software bug" is all a pile of rubbish and AT&T is in fact throttling us (the network behavior just fits). I'm just saying, seems really suspicious to me. Software bug, perhaps, throttling more likely
That's not proof of anything, and your knowledge seems to be severely limited. Software glitches in the telecommunications industry are common, and have led to many problems on ALL networks over the years. Since their equipment provider has already admitted themselves that the glitch is their fault, your statement isn't helpful.