Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.
So did Unix/Linux and the entire open source world(which MAC OS is based on). You think it's going to stay like this? And even if it does, Android (linux really) devices will become so inexpensive and ubiquitous that Apple's qc platform won't matter.
ATT has about 25% of the cellular market and they sold 25% of the US smartphones. Of those, 22% were iPhones - about 85%. So, if we assume that most people able and willing to switch to ATT have already done so, Apple is capturing about 85% of its possible market.
Android was on 33% of the smartphones. Even if we throw out the 20% of the US market that is on small carriers which may not have an available Android phone, then Android is only capturing about 40% of its possible market.
So Apple's US market share (as a percentage of smartphones) isn't going to increase significantly until they add another carrier. 25% is about all they can get to. Their US market share of phones as a whole can grow a lot, however, as smartphones are still a minority of all phones sold.
Android on the other hand has a lot of room to grow. This makes it look like Android is competing with Apple but until Android reaches comparable percentages on the carriers it's on or until Android on ATT has significant share, it sure looks like Apple is dominating its market way beyond where Android is.
A better comparison will be how does Android do against Apple in countries where they are on the same carriers or on all the major carriers.
Blackberry's not that bad. I just don't like copycats.
I like Black Berries too. You have to cook them in a little sugar. Not more than 5'. Then n you use them as topping on a healthy helping of vanillia ice cream. hmmmm. That's Blackberries I can enjoy with all my senses.
Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.
Not unlike the 'fragmentation' that currently exists among my Apple devices e.g. my iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad all run different versions of Apple's iOs.
Hmmm, not sure about that. If market share was the most important factor, why doesn't RIM or Nokia have the largest collection of Apps?
I think Apple has shown that ecosystem design is important too, maybe more so. The iPad was a semi-new platform but app developers have tripped all over themselves to make apps for it. App World from RIM may never catch up.
For what it's worth, I think your analysis is correct. The actual market share is only a single factor, albeit an important one. The sheer number of apps available, by the same token, isn't necessarily a health indicator either, as the Mac vs PC universes have shown.
Just as an FYI, the AppStore started a year before the Nokia Ovi store, and Ovi has never matched Apple's offering thus far. However, as an ex Nokia user, I was aware of the significant improvements in their offering, especially of late. Their revised store is much more user-friendly than previously. That in turn has led to some significant gain to Nokia in terms of app downloads - the yearly downloads are currently running at 620 million (1.7M a day on average) - but whether that will influence developers to support the platform is open to question.
In the smartphone space, the experience has to at least match that of the opposition for the uncommitted consumer to consider choosing a brand. The jury's still out on whether Nokia can pull that off.
Please read the corrected article, not the misinformation originally posted by venture beat, which they have since retracted.
I would be typing this on my shiny iPhone instead of my glossy Evo(Sprint) if Apple had not had that strange relantionship with AT&T and made a deal with Sprint.
...and those developers have the flexibility of working with a platform that allows them to create apps for virtually any/all aspects of the OS, including 'core apps' such as media players, camera apps, messaging apps, web browsers, et al., not just what's absent from the OS in the first place.
There is no evidence presented in this article to substantiate the idea that the buy one, get one free offers significantly impacted sales. If there is real evidence out there I will retract this. But all I have seen are vague hints that this is the reason Android and Verizon are doing so well - and that otherwise people would be flocking to the iPhone and AT&T. Barring actual evidence, I doubt that a customer going in for a feature phone is going to be swayed by a "free" phone that will cost him/her several thousand dollars over the life of the contract. I also doubt that most Verizon customers would be willing to switch to AT&T if not for this offer.
Absolutely amazing. What is this: come up with some radical fiction and tell people that it is fact unless they can cite evidence to the contrary? It is abundantly clear that you have never worked in a marketing capacity. I'll break it down in simple terms. 'Buy One Get One' deals result in 1/2 the amount of money that would have exchanged hands had full price been paid. As such, the only reason to do this is because there is a motivation stronger than the sale (e.g. more subscribers paying monthly fees). These deals are wildly successful when applied to a decent phone and that's why companies like Verizon and AT&T do them. If it wasn't resulting in more phone sales they wouldn't bother.
The tech community buying these phones, using apps, actually getting video chat to work?they are not a large part of the Android demographic. Many of the customers are people looking for a good smartphone to do all the standard smartphone stuff, and Android happens to be the most appealing option for a walk-in at a store like the Verizon store. The buy-one-get-one sale is a great way to sell these devices to these customers as they virtually never look at long-term costs, but rather instead focus on up-front costs when making their buying decision.
Not really a developer "migration", per say... but I can go through a iPhone magazine, read about the cool apps and then look for them on the Android market. (shazam, and a few others that only iPhone users were privied to). They're not necessarily migrating, but they are easily porting iPhone apps. You might call that a migration of sorts.
Migration doesn't sound like expanding. It sounds like moving away from one to the other. Most ios devs are pretty happy there. Porting over their apps is no biggie.
It' all nice and good. The thing is, android is the best thing for users who don't want to spend money and for developpers who don't want to earn money.
Whereas users. of iOS are more willing to pay for good software, giving the developpers a real opportunity to make their living. Meaning both Systems will actually be able to coexist. I think that's great.
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll
Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
You can keep most of the Android developers, and the android market. I thought there was a lot of rubbish in the App Store until I spent some time digging through the Android Market. Precious few of the high-end apps in it are as nice as they are in the App Store (only exceptions I can come up with are apps would would have been better in iOS if not for Apple/AT&T restrictions, and there's not a whole lot of 'em) and the vast majority of stuff in the Android Market is just unfiltered trash, seasoned with copyright infringement.
Best market out there, but miles behind the App Store.
Imagine the App Store's numbers if they allowed all the same crap inside.
There is definite emphasis on Android by many, many developers now. There's a huge number of mobile development shops in the Toronto area and, as a mobile developer, I know many of them. Most of them are putting their main emphasis on Android for a couple reasons:
1) The app market for iPhone is perceived as saturated, apps are entrenched. Android is seen as a fresh opportunity.
2) Android devices are outselling iOS devices in Canada and the USA, and the growth curve has yet to slow so in the next quarter, or next year, the difference should be even larger.
Smart money is on Android devices having the dominant OS marketshare on phones very shortly. We all know iOS users are going to be more likely to buy apps on an individual basis, and it'll continue to be supported, but the sheer volume of Android users will compensate for that. Look at Android being the #1 phone platform to target by most mobile developers starting next year, then apps will be ported to secondary platforms (iOS, Blackberry).
And then there are the total scam apps, including an app that claims to help you quit smoking by merely displaying solid colors on the screen, one that claims to be able to detect the ripeness of watermelons, and for $3 you can get lied to by an app that claims to be able to remove warts -- all approved by Apple.
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I wonder if anyone in here has considered the fact that plenty of people out there really like Android.
I 'consider' said FACT everyday, since I'm very pleased with my DROID, DROID X, Archos 5IT, Achos 7HT, and (just received) iRobot aPad
Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.
So did Unix/Linux and the entire open source world(which MAC OS is based on). You think it's going to stay like this? And even if it does, Android (linux really) devices will become so inexpensive and ubiquitous that Apple's qc platform won't matter.
ATT has about 25% of the cellular market and they sold 25% of the US smartphones. Of those, 22% were iPhones - about 85%. So, if we assume that most people able and willing to switch to ATT have already done so, Apple is capturing about 85% of its possible market.
Android was on 33% of the smartphones. Even if we throw out the 20% of the US market that is on small carriers which may not have an available Android phone, then Android is only capturing about 40% of its possible market.
So Apple's US market share (as a percentage of smartphones) isn't going to increase significantly until they add another carrier. 25% is about all they can get to. Their US market share of phones as a whole can grow a lot, however, as smartphones are still a minority of all phones sold.
Android on the other hand has a lot of room to grow. This makes it look like Android is competing with Apple but until Android reaches comparable percentages on the carriers it's on or until Android on ATT has significant share, it sure looks like Apple is dominating its market way beyond where Android is.
A better comparison will be how does Android do against Apple in countries where they are on the same carriers or on all the major carriers.
Blackberry's not that bad. I just don't like copycats.
I like Black Berries too. You have to cook them in a little sugar. Not more than 5'. Then n you use them as topping on a healthy helping of vanillia ice cream. hmmmm. That's Blackberries I can enjoy with all my senses.
Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.
Not unlike the 'fragmentation' that currently exists among my Apple devices e.g. my iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad all run different versions of Apple's iOs.
Note: You can't have it both ways
What developer migration?
Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves
Comes with this handy chart:
See also:
Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits
AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Android Over iPhone for New App
http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/aol-mob...e-for-new-app/
Apple Says “Sue Us, Please!” to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336
Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps
Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/
Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/
Google’s Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html
Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps
That one includes this convenient chart:
More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate
Hmmm, not sure about that. If market share was the most important factor, why doesn't RIM or Nokia have the largest collection of Apps?
I think Apple has shown that ecosystem design is important too, maybe more so. The iPad was a semi-new platform but app developers have tripped all over themselves to make apps for it. App World from RIM may never catch up.
For what it's worth, I think your analysis is correct. The actual market share is only a single factor, albeit an important one. The sheer number of apps available, by the same token, isn't necessarily a health indicator either, as the Mac vs PC universes have shown.
Just as an FYI, the AppStore started a year before the Nokia Ovi store, and Ovi has never matched Apple's offering thus far. However, as an ex Nokia user, I was aware of the significant improvements in their offering, especially of late. Their revised store is much more user-friendly than previously. That in turn has led to some significant gain to Nokia in terms of app downloads - the yearly downloads are currently running at 620 million (1.7M a day on average) - but whether that will influence developers to support the platform is open to question.
In the smartphone space, the experience has to at least match that of the opposition for the uncommitted consumer to consider choosing a brand. The jury's still out on whether Nokia can pull that off.
Please read the corrected article, not the misinformation originally posted by venture beat, which they have since retracted.
I would be typing this on my shiny iPhone instead of my glossy Evo(Sprint) if Apple had not had that strange relantionship with AT&T and made a deal with Sprint.
Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves
Come with this handy chart:
See also:
Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits
AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Android Over iPhone for New App
http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/aol-mob...e-for-new-app/
Apple Says ?Sue Us, Please!? to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336
Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps
Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/
Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/
Google?s Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html
That one includes this convenient chart:
More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate
...and those developers have the flexibility of working with a platform that allows them to create apps for virtually any/all aspects of the OS, including 'core apps' such as media players, camera apps, messaging apps, web browsers, et al., not just what's absent from the OS in the first place.
There is no evidence presented in this article to substantiate the idea that the buy one, get one free offers significantly impacted sales. If there is real evidence out there I will retract this. But all I have seen are vague hints that this is the reason Android and Verizon are doing so well - and that otherwise people would be flocking to the iPhone and AT&T. Barring actual evidence, I doubt that a customer going in for a feature phone is going to be swayed by a "free" phone that will cost him/her several thousand dollars over the life of the contract. I also doubt that most Verizon customers would be willing to switch to AT&T if not for this offer.
Absolutely amazing. What is this: come up with some radical fiction and tell people that it is fact unless they can cite evidence to the contrary? It is abundantly clear that you have never worked in a marketing capacity. I'll break it down in simple terms. 'Buy One Get One' deals result in 1/2 the amount of money that would have exchanged hands had full price been paid. As such, the only reason to do this is because there is a motivation stronger than the sale (e.g. more subscribers paying monthly fees). These deals are wildly successful when applied to a decent phone and that's why companies like Verizon and AT&T do them. If it wasn't resulting in more phone sales they wouldn't bother.
The tech community buying these phones, using apps, actually getting video chat to work?they are not a large part of the Android demographic. Many of the customers are people looking for a good smartphone to do all the standard smartphone stuff, and Android happens to be the most appealing option for a walk-in at a store like the Verizon store. The buy-one-get-one sale is a great way to sell these devices to these customers as they virtually never look at long-term costs, but rather instead focus on up-front costs when making their buying decision.
Not really a developer "migration", per say... but I can go through a iPhone magazine, read about the cool apps and then look for them on the Android market. (shazam, and a few others that only iPhone users were privied to). They're not necessarily migrating, but they are easily porting iPhone apps. You might call that a migration of sorts.
Migration doesn't sound like expanding. It sounds like moving away from one to the other. Most ios devs are pretty happy there. Porting over their apps is no biggie.
Whereas users. of iOS are more willing to pay for good software, giving the developpers a real opportunity to make their living. Meaning both Systems will actually be able to coexist. I think that's great.
Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves
Come with this handy chart:
See also:
Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits
AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Androi Over iPhone for New App
ol-mobile-goes-html5-picks-android-over-iphone-for-new-app/" target="_blank">http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/a<br />...e-for-new-app/
Apple Says ?Sue Us, Please!? to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336
Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps
Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/
Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/
Google?s Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html
That one includes this convenient chart:
More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate
Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves
You can keep most of the Android developers, and the android market. I thought there was a lot of rubbish in the App Store until I spent some time digging through the Android Market. Precious few of the high-end apps in it are as nice as they are in the App Store (only exceptions I can come up with are apps would would have been better in iOS if not for Apple/AT&T restrictions, and there's not a whole lot of 'em) and the vast majority of stuff in the Android Market is just unfiltered trash, seasoned with copyright infringement.
Best market out there, but miles behind the App Store.
Imagine the App Store's numbers if they allowed all the same crap inside.
1) The app market for iPhone is perceived as saturated, apps are entrenched. Android is seen as a fresh opportunity.
2) Android devices are outselling iOS devices in Canada and the USA, and the growth curve has yet to slow so in the next quarter, or next year, the difference should be even larger.
Smart money is on Android devices having the dominant OS marketshare on phones very shortly. We all know iOS users are going to be more likely to buy apps on an individual basis, and it'll continue to be supported, but the sheer volume of Android users will compensate for that. Look at Android being the #1 phone platform to target by most mobile developers starting next year, then apps will be ported to secondary platforms (iOS, Blackberry).
Imagine the App Store's numbers if they allowed all the same crap inside.
Some relevant statistics:
Number of fart-related apps boosting the App Store count: 764
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=fart
Number of apps boosting the App Store count by mostly replicating free info from news web sites: 14,971
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=news
Number of those news apps costing $2.99 or more: 1,621
http://www.uquery.com/search?page=1&q=news&range=3
Number of apps that display clocks boosting the App Store count: 4,785
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=clock
Cost of Apple's clock app built into iOS: free
Cost of an app to let you alter and animate the rendering of women's breasts in photos: $0.99
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewe...=236567,00.asp
Cost of an app to let you use the free ping protocol: $1.99
http://www.uquery.com/apps/375562087-ipingtool
Enjoy the high-quality interface it provides for that higher-than average price:
http://images2.uquery.com/appstore/s...59075/full.jpg
Cost of an app that plays water sounds ostensibly to assist urination: $3.99
http://www.uquery.com/apps/341807729-peasygoing
Percentage of iOS apps the developers themselves don't feel are worth paying for: 81%
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...age_price.html
Number of pages of search results for the phrase "stupid iPhone apps": 13,300,000
http://www.google.com/search?q=stupid+iphone+apps
And then there are the total scam apps, including an app that claims to help you quit smoking by merely displaying solid colors on the screen, one that claims to be able to detect the ripeness of watermelons, and for $3 you can get lied to by an app that claims to be able to remove warts -- all approved by Apple.
http://gizmodo.com/5555853/the-apple-app-stores-scams
Yeah, quality?
In fact, it sounds like you don't have suitable experience with both markets.
Bill Gates is happier, he doesn't work anymore. Apple doesn't do well sans Steve.
He seems pretty happy spreading billions to the world
He seems pretty happy spreading billions to the world
... as opposed to taking billions from the very same world
... as opposed to taking billions from the very same world
taking from the rich(er) and giving to the poor(er)
Bill Gates, Prince of Thieves
All he needs is a little pixie hat and some green tights