A coworker of mine recently got the latest and greatest HTC Android phone from Verizon. She was so proud of it too when she got it. Then Verizon advised her last week to upgrade to Android 2.2. Big mistake. In the process, the update wiped out all her apps and contact information, and she now claims that her phone runs slower. She is so P.O.'d now. I wonder if she will be one of those folks who decide to switch to an iPhone if it becomes available on Verizon.
Stop spreading FUD. I have never - never heard that 2.2 slows down a phone.
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
A coworker of mine recently got the latest and greatest HTC Android phone from Verizon. She was so proud of it too when she got it. Then Verizon advised her last week to upgrade to Android 2.2. Big mistake. In the process, the update wiped out all her apps and contact information, and she now claims that her phone runs slower. She is so P.O.'d now. I wonder if she will be one of those folks who decide to switch to an iPhone if it becomes available on Verizon.
For gosh sakes, don't let your friend get a iPhone 3G and upgrade to iOS4 or she will have the same problem. Apple plays that game too.
I put off getting an iPhone 4 just to avoid renewing with AT&T since I'm month to month. I put off the 3GS too, which I'm about to get used to hold me over since my 3G is super slow now.
AT&T's service in my area is not awful, it's also not good. Voicemails arrive when the phone hasn't rung, dropped calls, the usual. But really, it's screwing me over on roaming when I was with them the last time that did it. Wouldn't have ever been with them again if it weren't for the iPhone, and that was a hard thing to make myself do. (At the time Android wasn't mature enough and I couldn't wait any more). As soon as iPhone is on Verizon or Sprint, I'm gone. Yes it's called holding a grudge, but companies should always treat their subscribers right if they want to expect loyalty.
As for the whole CDMA is an old technology argument, yes, maybe, but it's also used by the most reliable networks. T-Mobile was GSM and highly unreliable when I was on it (maybe better now), and AT&T is only moderately better. I would also bet that the CDMA iPhone has a 4G antennae. I'm sure the major carriers have some idea of what they're going to use and will tell Apple to build it in. The 3GS came with upgraded HSDPA or whatever before it was even widely available. So I don't expect that to be too big of an issue. I'll probably buy it either way. Good news day.
I've seen some bad reception areas, but I am almost always in major cities. So I'll stick with AT&T, but I understand why some would want to switch.
I had a problem with calls going straight to voicemail that sounds like what you described. A full factory reset and wipe of all the data fixed it. I just restored contacts from my Mac address book and reloaded the apps without restoring a backup. Kinda drastic, but it worked for me. Some of your problems may not be a problem with the network.
For gosh sakes, don't let your friend get a iPhone 3G and upgrade to iOS4 or she will have the same problem. Apple plays that game too.
Sure there are always odd problems with anything, but I have not heard of any reported problems. Do you have instances of this or are you just spreading FUD. If you do a google search there are many instances of this happening to android phones and none for iPhones.
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
Sure you have, from rtamesis. Froyo is a huge improvement over Eclair but the chance of a glitch on some devices during an install which could affect operation or performance is way to likely. Just like with the iPhone 3G being slower for some and faster for others under 4.0, there will be issues that crop up with every new OS update.
I am happy with AT&T and won't be switching. My i4 is a tremendous improvement over all 3 previous generation iPhones here in Houston when it comes to data speeds, reception and dropped call volume. I hope Verizon gets the iPhone so we can see if it really was mostly AT&T or perhaps Apple had some issues programming their end as well. As for vcast, perhaps it could be an app. I am sure Apple will not allow Verizon to be the greedy punks they are. Verizon also won't just bend over, so that is most likely a major sticking point besides money.
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
What if he's not spreading FUD? Is it so impossible that not one phone updated to 2.2 has issues? My friend has an iPhone 3G with 4.01 with zero issues. It's silly to to believe that every single person who updated to 2.2 has no issues. No update is 100% reliable.
I heard some great new Androids will be available on AT&T, probably that's why the IPhone will go to Verizon too. I hope they update the IPhone to match the top Androids on the market, also fix the antenna issue. I will like to be able to use my IPhone without Bumpers.
Sure there are always odd problems with anything, but I have not heard of any reported problems. Do you have instances of this or are you just spreading FUD. If you do a google search there are many instances of this happening to android phones and none for iPhones.
Sure I have instances. I gave my 3G to my wife when I got my iP4. Like a fool, I trusted Apple and upgraded and the device is unusable. If you want proof, come over to the house and I'll give you a demo. This is a real issue that Apple acknowledged, according to an earlier AI article.
Sure you have, from rtamesis. Froyo is a huge improvement over Eclair but the chance of a glitch on some devices during an install which could affect operation or performance is way to likely. Just like with the iPhone 3G being slower for some and faster for others under 4.0, there will be issues that crop up with every new OS update.
I'll give you the 1 in a million chance this update slowed down her phone. But even if that's true, this is not like the iPhone 3G with the 4.0 update. The iPhone 4.0 update is a case of the OS being too much for dated hardware. It affects all phones. What you're describing with Froyo is a glitch that only affects her phone. Two different animals.
I heard some great new Androids will be available on AT&T, probably that's why the IPhone will go to Verizon too. I hope they update the IPhone to match the top Androids on the market, also fix the antenna issue. I will like to be able to use my IPhone without Bumpers.
It only really affects things in low signal areas. So you should be fine on Verizon.
if Verizon does get the iphone will it really be any better contract wise? Will Verizon try limiting the itunes ecosystem in favor of that nasty a** Vcast crap?
It remains to be seen huh.
No it actually doesn't remain to be seen. The "Vcast crap" was left off our Incredible. It is available for download on the Android store if people want it but is not forced on them. Check you facts.
For gosh sakes, don't let your friend get a iPhone 3G and upgrade to iOS4 or she will have the same problem. Apple plays that game too.
Nope, they don't. They haven't advised people to upgrade older phones to iOS4 - and they've made clear that it won't be fully functional as older phones won't fully support it.
I should have noted that it makes me no difference - since I will stick with AT&T. I have had a good experience with them. Good reception, no dropped calls, no complaints in general. It will be interesting to see how people react to Verizon once there is a choice - it is the savior now - I bet it'll be something totally different when people start using it and they are overloaded.
Certainly for the 75% of AT&T's happy iPhone customers it will make no difference.
It is interesting that since Job's last press conference in which he explained the issues in San Francisco re getting towers installed, there appears to be a significant drop in complaints on this site, as well as a significant endorsement of the iPhone and/or AT&T.
I would be happy to see Apple release an iPhone to run on Verizon and T-Mobile networks for a number of reasons.
Maximize the Apple's market opportunity
Counter the complaints often raised here
Offset the general 'cell phone' issues across more service providers
Raise the awareness, demand and usage of Apple's iPhones
Raise the awareness, demand and usage of all of Apple's offerings
If and when it happens, there will be an obvious and massive new audience of iPhone users. Immediately this will certainly have a negative impact on AT&T's sales and renewing current customer contracts. However, if the functionality of the iPhone model for Verison's network is not the same as as we have now, this will cause many to question on which direction to go. In addition, and more important, the overall interest and opportunity could crush the current movement of the likes of Android and such.
Bottom line: I would predict an overall increase in AT&T's service and customer base as the perceived issues are just that.
My most used iPad apps: Skype, Dragon Dictation and now, Star Walk (an amazing app and well worth the price)
Sure there are always odd problems with anything, but I have not heard of any reported problems. Do you have instances of this or are you just spreading FUD. If you do a google search there are many instances of this happening to android phones and none for iPhones.
It's not FUD unfortunately. Before I got my iPhone 4, my iPhone 3G slowed down dramatically when I "upgraded" to iOS4.
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
Well, we won't know for sure until the carriers get around to releasing 2.2 for a significant number of phones - which will occur somewhere around 2014 at the present rate.
I'll give you the 1 in a million chance this update slowed down her phone. But even if that's true, this is not like the iPhone 3G with the 4.0 update. The iPhone 4.0 update is a case of the OS being too much for dated hardware. It affects all phones. What you're describing with Froyo is a glitch that only affects her phone. Two different animals.
Don't be obtuse and stop spreadimg FUD you know very well Apple trimmed 4.0 to make it viable for the 3G and this is the exact same thing.
I'm a firm believer in the "grass is greener" philosophy. At&t and Verizon are the two biggest cellular carriers in the U.S. They didn't get there by screwing their customers and having crappy networks. For all the caterwauling about at&t's network it's not any better or worse than Verizon's, no matter what the at&t haters/Verizon fanboys pontificate. We just hear their loud screams the most, just like very other issue of the day that is blown way out of proportion by the anonymity of the internet. Antennagate comes to mind.
If and when the iPhone comes to Verizon, or any other carrier, there will be fans and haters. The iPhone will be blamed by some, Verizon by others. There will be no mass exodus from at&t as the whiners and screamers predict for all the reasons discussed by at&t executives.
What will be interesting to see is what effect the iPhone will have on Android sales. At&t already has a number of Android phones available. To my knowledge we have no hard information of how Android is doing within the at&t network vs the iPhone. Surveys seem to indicate that a good number of Android users would switch to the iPhone if it were available on their carrier. We already know that Android is not going all that gangbusters in other parts of the world where the iPhone is available on multiple carriers.
Of course there wont be a mass exodus ATT made sure of that by offering early upgrades and doubling the ETF.
Well, we won't know for sure until the carriers get around to releasing 2.2 for a significant number of phones - which will occur somewhere around 2014 at the present rate.
Let me get this right. You're saying that we need to have every single Android phone on 2.2 before we can determine it's performance? We know for a fact 2.2, in general, increases the performance of Android phones out now. Yes, there will be archaic Android phones that won't be able to run 2.2.
The developer community has already ported the AOSP Android release to a number of custom ROMs available to run on a wide range of Android phones. All the benchmarks I've seen so far show improvements in performance.
My Droid is running 2.2 and once I overclock the processor to the 1 Ghz level, it's comparable to the iPhone 4. Some apps like Google Earth open a few seconds slower, but overall, it's not a bad showing for a phone whose processor is being taxed to almost twice its stock speed.
On a second note, I do remember you posting something similar about the roll-out of 2.1 back when it was the newest Android OS that was just unveiled. That it would take until "2014" for a significant number of phones to get it. Fast forward only a few months and 60% of all Android phones are running 2.1. Considering how many different types of Android phones are out there, I don't think that's a bad showing at all.
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A coworker of mine recently got the latest and greatest HTC Android phone from Verizon. She was so proud of it too when she got it. Then Verizon advised her last week to upgrade to Android 2.2. Big mistake. In the process, the update wiped out all her apps and contact information, and she now claims that her phone runs slower. She is so P.O.'d now. I wonder if she will be one of those folks who decide to switch to an iPhone if it becomes available on Verizon.
Stop spreading FUD. I have never - never heard that 2.2 slows down a phone.
http://gizmodo.com/5549260/android-22-review
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
A coworker of mine recently got the latest and greatest HTC Android phone from Verizon. She was so proud of it too when she got it. Then Verizon advised her last week to upgrade to Android 2.2. Big mistake. In the process, the update wiped out all her apps and contact information, and she now claims that her phone runs slower. She is so P.O.'d now. I wonder if she will be one of those folks who decide to switch to an iPhone if it becomes available on Verizon.
For gosh sakes, don't let your friend get a iPhone 3G and upgrade to iOS4 or she will have the same problem. Apple plays that game too.
I put off getting an iPhone 4 just to avoid renewing with AT&T since I'm month to month. I put off the 3GS too, which I'm about to get used to hold me over since my 3G is super slow now.
AT&T's service in my area is not awful, it's also not good. Voicemails arrive when the phone hasn't rung, dropped calls, the usual. But really, it's screwing me over on roaming when I was with them the last time that did it. Wouldn't have ever been with them again if it weren't for the iPhone, and that was a hard thing to make myself do. (At the time Android wasn't mature enough and I couldn't wait any more). As soon as iPhone is on Verizon or Sprint, I'm gone. Yes it's called holding a grudge, but companies should always treat their subscribers right if they want to expect loyalty.
As for the whole CDMA is an old technology argument, yes, maybe, but it's also used by the most reliable networks. T-Mobile was GSM and highly unreliable when I was on it (maybe better now), and AT&T is only moderately better. I would also bet that the CDMA iPhone has a 4G antennae. I'm sure the major carriers have some idea of what they're going to use and will tell Apple to build it in. The 3GS came with upgraded HSDPA or whatever before it was even widely available. So I don't expect that to be too big of an issue. I'll probably buy it either way. Good news day.
I've seen some bad reception areas, but I am almost always in major cities. So I'll stick with AT&T, but I understand why some would want to switch.
I had a problem with calls going straight to voicemail that sounds like what you described. A full factory reset and wipe of all the data fixed it. I just restored contacts from my Mac address book and reloaded the apps without restoring a backup. Kinda drastic, but it worked for me. Some of your problems may not be a problem with the network.
For gosh sakes, don't let your friend get a iPhone 3G and upgrade to iOS4 or she will have the same problem. Apple plays that game too.
Sure there are always odd problems with anything, but I have not heard of any reported problems. Do you have instances of this or are you just spreading FUD. If you do a google search there are many instances of this happening to android phones and none for iPhones.
Stop spreading FUD. I have never - never heard that 2.2 slows down a phone.
http://gizmodo.com/5549260/android-22-review
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
Sure you have, from rtamesis. Froyo is a huge improvement over Eclair but the chance of a glitch on some devices during an install which could affect operation or performance is way to likely. Just like with the iPhone 3G being slower for some and faster for others under 4.0, there will be issues that crop up with every new OS update.
Bring it Verizon. Let's see what you got.
Stop spreading FUD. I have never - never heard that 2.2 slows down a phone.
http://gizmodo.com/5549260/android-22-review
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
What if he's not spreading FUD? Is it so impossible that not one phone updated to 2.2 has issues? My friend has an iPhone 3G with 4.01 with zero issues. It's silly to to believe that every single person who updated to 2.2 has no issues. No update is 100% reliable.
Sure there are always odd problems with anything, but I have not heard of any reported problems. Do you have instances of this or are you just spreading FUD. If you do a google search there are many instances of this happening to android phones and none for iPhones.
Sure I have instances. I gave my 3G to my wife when I got my iP4. Like a fool, I trusted Apple and upgraded and the device is unusable. If you want proof, come over to the house and I'll give you a demo. This is a real issue that Apple acknowledged, according to an earlier AI article.
Sure you have, from rtamesis. Froyo is a huge improvement over Eclair but the chance of a glitch on some devices during an install which could affect operation or performance is way to likely. Just like with the iPhone 3G being slower for some and faster for others under 4.0, there will be issues that crop up with every new OS update.
I'll give you the 1 in a million chance this update slowed down her phone. But even if that's true, this is not like the iPhone 3G with the 4.0 update. The iPhone 4.0 update is a case of the OS being too much for dated hardware. It affects all phones. What you're describing with Froyo is a glitch that only affects her phone. Two different animals.
I heard some great new Androids will be available on AT&T, probably that's why the IPhone will go to Verizon too. I hope they update the IPhone to match the top Androids on the market, also fix the antenna issue. I will like to be able to use my IPhone without Bumpers.
It only really affects things in low signal areas. So you should be fine on Verizon.
if Verizon does get the iphone will it really be any better contract wise? Will Verizon try limiting the itunes ecosystem in favor of that nasty a** Vcast crap?
It remains to be seen huh.
No it actually doesn't remain to be seen. The "Vcast crap" was left off our Incredible. It is available for download on the Android store if people want it but is not forced on them. Check you facts.
September (09) - iPod,
March (03) - iPad,
June (06) - iPhone.
Plus all desktop systems updates...
There're already catastrophic production delays; and the word of the CEO has been dragged through the mire before the eyes of all serious crowds.
Is Apple crazier than the retarded blogosphere?
For gosh sakes, don't let your friend get a iPhone 3G and upgrade to iOS4 or she will have the same problem. Apple plays that game too.
Nope, they don't. They haven't advised people to upgrade older phones to iOS4 - and they've made clear that it won't be fully functional as older phones won't fully support it.
I should have noted that it makes me no difference - since I will stick with AT&T. I have had a good experience with them. Good reception, no dropped calls, no complaints in general. It will be interesting to see how people react to Verizon once there is a choice - it is the savior now - I bet it'll be something totally different when people start using it and they are overloaded.
Certainly for the 75% of AT&T's happy iPhone customers it will make no difference.
It is interesting that since Job's last press conference in which he explained the issues in San Francisco re getting towers installed, there appears to be a significant drop in complaints on this site, as well as a significant endorsement of the iPhone and/or AT&T.
I would be happy to see Apple release an iPhone to run on Verizon and T-Mobile networks for a number of reasons.If and when it happens, there will be an obvious and massive new audience of iPhone users. Immediately this will certainly have a negative impact on AT&T's sales and renewing current customer contracts. However, if the functionality of the iPhone model for Verison's network is not the same as as we have now, this will cause many to question on which direction to go. In addition, and more important, the overall interest and opportunity could crush the current movement of the likes of Android and such.
Bottom line: I would predict an overall increase in AT&T's service and customer base as the perceived issues are just that.
My most used iPad apps: Skype, Dragon Dictation and now, Star Walk (an amazing app and well worth the price)
Sure there are always odd problems with anything, but I have not heard of any reported problems. Do you have instances of this or are you just spreading FUD. If you do a google search there are many instances of this happening to android phones and none for iPhones.
It's not FUD unfortunately. Before I got my iPhone 4, my iPhone 3G slowed down dramatically when I "upgraded" to iOS4.
Stop spreading FUD. I have never - never heard that 2.2 slows down a phone.
http://gizmodo.com/5549260/android-22-review
"In everyday use, the new compiler combined with Android's efficient memory management means that pretty much everything you do, in both the general OS as well as apps, feels more responsive."
Well, we won't know for sure until the carriers get around to releasing 2.2 for a significant number of phones - which will occur somewhere around 2014 at the present rate.
I'll give you the 1 in a million chance this update slowed down her phone. But even if that's true, this is not like the iPhone 3G with the 4.0 update. The iPhone 4.0 update is a case of the OS being too much for dated hardware. It affects all phones. What you're describing with Froyo is a glitch that only affects her phone. Two different animals.
Don't be obtuse and stop spreadimg FUD you know very well Apple trimmed 4.0 to make it viable for the 3G and this is the exact same thing.
I'm a firm believer in the "grass is greener" philosophy. At&t and Verizon are the two biggest cellular carriers in the U.S. They didn't get there by screwing their customers and having crappy networks. For all the caterwauling about at&t's network it's not any better or worse than Verizon's, no matter what the at&t haters/Verizon fanboys pontificate. We just hear their loud screams the most, just like very other issue of the day that is blown way out of proportion by the anonymity of the internet. Antennagate comes to mind.
If and when the iPhone comes to Verizon, or any other carrier, there will be fans and haters. The iPhone will be blamed by some, Verizon by others. There will be no mass exodus from at&t as the whiners and screamers predict for all the reasons discussed by at&t executives.
What will be interesting to see is what effect the iPhone will have on Android sales. At&t already has a number of Android phones available. To my knowledge we have no hard information of how Android is doing within the at&t network vs the iPhone. Surveys seem to indicate that a good number of Android users would switch to the iPhone if it were available on their carrier. We already know that Android is not going all that gangbusters in other parts of the world where the iPhone is available on multiple carriers.
Of course there wont be a mass exodus ATT made sure of that by offering early upgrades and doubling the ETF.
Well, we won't know for sure until the carriers get around to releasing 2.2 for a significant number of phones - which will occur somewhere around 2014 at the present rate.
Let me get this right. You're saying that we need to have every single Android phone on 2.2 before we can determine it's performance? We know for a fact 2.2, in general, increases the performance of Android phones out now. Yes, there will be archaic Android phones that won't be able to run 2.2.
The developer community has already ported the AOSP Android release to a number of custom ROMs available to run on a wide range of Android phones. All the benchmarks I've seen so far show improvements in performance.
My Droid is running 2.2 and once I overclock the processor to the 1 Ghz level, it's comparable to the iPhone 4. Some apps like Google Earth open a few seconds slower, but overall, it's not a bad showing for a phone whose processor is being taxed to almost twice its stock speed.
On a second note, I do remember you posting something similar about the roll-out of 2.1 back when it was the newest Android OS that was just unveiled. That it would take until "2014" for a significant number of phones to get it. Fast forward only a few months and 60% of all Android phones are running 2.1. Considering how many different types of Android phones are out there, I don't think that's a bad showing at all.