1984 has long since passed, Apple are different these days. They are a corporation. That said, they are not like Google. Apple are more honest and upfront about how they are using our data. That's the difference. And unlike Google and FaceBook, Apple give you a choice.
The point was that avoiding being tracked by Google is not as simple as just not actively using their search engine and other services.
Every vid you've ever looked at on YouTube...and added to your favourites...
Regarding your earlier point, the Ghostery add-on for FireFox blocks GoogleAnalytics, and yes they are poking around at just about every page I visit. Also BetterPrivacy which blocks Flash permanent cookies (which bypass your browser preferences and stores them elsewhere without your knowledge). When I first installed it I had nearly 550 of the little critters squatting on my hard drive without my permission. I suspect this is still only sticking band-aid on a cracking dam, but at least I keep a bit of self respect this way!
Google? Privacy? What parallel fringe universe do they live in? When the CEO says if you want to get rid of your home in street view, just move. (paraphrasing)
And, of course... If you don't want people to know you are moving -- perhaps you shouldn't be doing it!
1984 has long since passed, Apple are different these days. They are a corporation. That said, they are not like Google. Apple are more honest and upfront about how they are using our data. That's the difference. And unlike Google and FaceBook, Apple give you a choice.
I actually think Apple recognizes that protecting user privacy, and not (ab)using what user data they do have, is good business. So, while many may think all companies are the same, and will do anything for a buck, they might consider that for some companies, what they will do for that buck is not sell you out, because that makes more money for them in the long run. Not caving to publishers is, I think, part of a broader Apple strategy that has to do with maintaining a certain level of trust with customers.
I think it's safe to say Apple and Google are not the same when it comes to privacy. Google are more like FaceBook. Although Apple does use user data, they don't do it like FaceBook and Google do it. Apple is more like: "people who like that app also like this app", or "people who like that music also like this music". Apple never goes to that creepy Google-level. I believe there is a line with this thing that Apple never crosses, and it's because they actually give a shit about your privacy. Google and FaceBook don't, because it's "their whole business model".
Maybe Apple is just better at hiding the 'creepy' factor.
Think about this;
Apple has millions of people's phone numbers, addresses, emails, buying habits, taste's etc...
Apple sees companies like Google making gobs of cash/influence by utilizing said information.
Apple develops iOS that only allows their API's - to protect/control information.
Apple starts iAd
Apple pushes publishers to buy into them having full control over subscriptions/personal info etc...
I would argue that Apple is hiding behind 'privacy' as a PR campaign to win market share and point out some mistakes/weaknesses by Google. (if this thread is any indication, it's working).
Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it.
From what i'm reading, people are starting to accept the fact that their privacy is a commodity - and now focus on which company they would like to broker it.
I 100% disagree with your assessment. I have been getting all of my magazine subscriptions from zinio for the last three years. The early browsers were a little difficult to use, but the adobe air app for the Mac is excellent and the zinio app for the iPad is the best I have ever seen for reading magazines.....
In fact the zinio app for the iPad is one of the reasons why I decided to go ahead and buy the iPad....
Maybe Apple is just better at hiding the 'creepy' factor.
Think about this;
Apple has millions of people's phone numbers, addresses, emails, buying habits, taste's etc...
Apple sees companies like Google making gobs of cash/influence by utilizing said information.
Apple develops iOS that only allows their API's - to protect/control information.
Apple starts iAd
Apple pushes publishers to buy into them having full control over subscriptions/personal info etc...
I would argue that Apple is hiding behind 'privacy' as a PR campaign to win market share and point out some mistakes/weaknesses by Google. (if this thread is any indication, it's working).
Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it.
From what i'm reading, people are starting to accept the fact that their privacy is a commodity - and now focus on which company they would like to broker it.
Life in the information age \
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Originally Posted by rain
Talk about throwing stones in a glass house
Seriously? None of your synapses could figure out that Apple wants to keep all of your personal information for themselves? To power their own advertising initiatives? That their entire mobile platform revolves around this control?
Wow dude, talk about epic reading comprehension fail.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, RIM, Walmart... no large corporation is looking out for your privacy - just how to exploit it for their own gains.
If you can't read between the lines and see what is really happening (hello, your privacy is a commodity, pick your flavor of who you want to control it)... then you should chill on the ad-hom attacks.
Apple and Google are big brother.
These comments are pure cynicism. They mirror perfectly Google and Facebook's fundamental Business philosophy:
the world we live in is half-empty; why don't we make a buck or two hollowing the resisting half? After all, what are nerdy geeks for?
Apple makes money out of being upfront and reverential towards their customers; they profit from filing up the voids Google and Facebook create in their wake. Why should a thriving business practice have to justify doing what's in their business interest, namely sowing secured, carefree computing experiences and reaping profit, ... and my ever so grateful patronage?
Honesty pays at least as much dividend as trickery. It's not a moral issue, it's a balance sheet issue.
... Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it. ...
And your evidence for this is?
Yes, I think cynical is the perfect word to describe rain's comments here.
Maybe Apple is just better at hiding the 'creepy' factor.
Think about this;
Apple has millions of people's phone numbers, addresses, emails, buying habits, taste's etc...
Apple sees companies like Google making gobs of cash/influence by utilizing said information.
Apple develops iOS that only allows their API's - to protect/control information.
Apple starts iAd
Apple pushes publishers to buy into them having full control over subscriptions/personal info etc...
I would argue that Apple is hiding behind 'privacy' as a PR campaign to win market share and point out some mistakes/weaknesses by Google. (if this thread is any indication, it's working).
Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it.
From what i'm reading, people are starting to accept the fact that their privacy is a commodity - and now focus on which company they would like to broker it.
Life in the information age \
The reasons you are wrong are staring in you the face. Apple sells lots and lots of expensive hardware and wants you to buy more. Their software, ecosystem, and privacy concerns (which they have repeatedly shown to take quite seriously) work in conjunction to sell you hardware. Yes, they will make money from other things but if the hardware and ecosystem suck...or if they start playing fast and loose with your privacy, their core business is negatively affected. Did you ever think how they dare charge for a service like mobileme when google and others provide it for free? Surely apple could provide it for free if they wanted to compete with google on an "ads and selling your data" model but they don't. And that's exactly why I am happy to pay for it.
OTOH, Google sells practically nothing but your information. If they can't abuse your private information, they are out of business. Period! And believe me, they are abusing and you ain't seen nothing yet.
I 100% disagree with your assessment. I have been getting all of my magazine subscriptions from zinio for the last three years. The early browsers were a little difficult to use, but the adobe air app for the Mac is excellent and the zinio app for the iPad is the best I have ever seen for reading magazines.....
I agree with your assessment fully and I have to question how old Ireland's experience with Zinio is and whether he ever tried it on the ipad.
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Originally Posted by sranger
In fact the zinio app for the iPad is one of the reasons why I decided to go ahead and buy the iPad....
Zinio for the iPad is the reason why I will be acquiring the second generation iPad. Oh, that and Apple's decision to renege on the draconian wording of clause 3.3.1 in the original iOS 4.0 SDK.
I'm sure all the Chinese workers making Android phones for HTC, Motorola, Samsung, SonyEricsson etc will be pleased with their bonuses...
...what do you mean, Google's "slave labour" in China don't qualify?
Foxconn don't exclusively make Apple products.
Quote:
Originally Posted by extremeskater
Google seems to know how to take care of its people. Don't see news like this coming from Apple even though they have record earning. Then again it would be hard to get a bonus to the slave labor in china.
I actually think Apple recognizes that protecting user privacy, and not (ab)using what user data they do have, is good business. So, while many may think all companies are the same, and will do anything for a buck, they might consider that for some companies, what they will do for that buck is not sell you out, because that makes more money for them in the long run. Not caving to publishers is, I think, part of a broader Apple strategy that has to do with maintaining a certain level of trust with customers.
I get a few mags on Zinio, and I have subscribed to a couple of magazines on a dedicated iPad app. There are pros and cons both ways.
The Zinio magazines are mostly straight copies of the print magazines. They sometimes include some links to websites, and they also have the ability to include additional photo galleries and videos.
One of the magazines I get on Zinio includes a paper subscription. I especially like that, as I have the option to read the paper version if I prefer, and I can throw it away, even if I would like to hang on to some of the articles. Before Zinio, magazines would pile up, especially the how-to types that I wanted to retain.
I can read the Zinio magazines on my iPad, iPhone, and Mac. I can delete the files, and download them again anytime from Zinio. And, there is an HTML version available, so I can read my magazines on any computer using a browser. I can even print out some of the pages, although they include a watermark.
The special versions of magazines for the iPad I have sampled had very cool layouts, embedded videos, pictures... generally a good "feel" for use on the iPad. I enjoy reading these on the iPad more than their Zinio cousins, but I can't bring them up on my Cinema Display. That is a little frustrating.
So, Zinio could use a little improvement for use on mobile devices, but it still has versatility in terms of the number of ways it can be viewed, and a large number of available magazines. Personally, I do not want a separate app for every magazine subscription. I currently "subscribe" (ie in-app purchase each month) to two non-Zinio mags on my iPad, and each has its own app.
I would love to see the iBook app become a magazine platform as well. However, I would also like to see Apple adopt some of the practices of Zinio (which would be pretty detrimental to Zinio).
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There, I fixed it for you.
1984 has long since passed, Apple are different these days. They are a corporation. That said, they are not like Google. Apple are more honest and upfront about how they are using our data. That's the difference. And unlike Google and FaceBook, Apple give you a choice.
The point was that avoiding being tracked by Google is not as simple as just not actively using their search engine and other services.
Every vid you've ever looked at on YouTube...and added to your favourites...
Regarding your earlier point, the Ghostery add-on for FireFox blocks GoogleAnalytics, and yes they are poking around at just about every page I visit. Also BetterPrivacy which blocks Flash permanent cookies (which bypass your browser preferences and stores them elsewhere without your knowledge). When I first installed it I had nearly 550 of the little critters squatting on my hard drive without my permission. I suspect this is still only sticking band-aid on a cracking dam, but at least I keep a bit of self respect this way!
Google? Privacy? What parallel fringe universe do they live in? When the CEO says if you want to get rid of your home in street view, just move. (paraphrasing)
And, of course... If you don't want people to know you are moving -- perhaps you shouldn't be doing it!
.
1984 has long since passed, Apple are different these days. They are a corporation. That said, they are not like Google. Apple are more honest and upfront about how they are using our data. That's the difference. And unlike Google and FaceBook, Apple give you a choice.
I actually think Apple recognizes that protecting user privacy, and not (ab)using what user data they do have, is good business. So, while many may think all companies are the same, and will do anything for a buck, they might consider that for some companies, what they will do for that buck is not sell you out, because that makes more money for them in the long run. Not caving to publishers is, I think, part of a broader Apple strategy that has to do with maintaining a certain level of trust with customers.
And, of course... If you don't want people to know you are moving -- perhaps you shouldn't be doing it!
Unless you plan to change your name, too.
www.google.com
didn't you mean: www.yahoo.com ?
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I think it's safe to say Apple and Google are not the same when it comes to privacy. Google are more like FaceBook. Although Apple does use user data, they don't do it like FaceBook and Google do it. Apple is more like: "people who like that app also like this app", or "people who like that music also like this music". Apple never goes to that creepy Google-level. I believe there is a line with this thing that Apple never crosses, and it's because they actually give a shit about your privacy. Google and FaceBook don't, because it's "their whole business model".
Maybe Apple is just better at hiding the 'creepy' factor.
Think about this;
Apple has millions of people's phone numbers, addresses, emails, buying habits, taste's etc...
Apple sees companies like Google making gobs of cash/influence by utilizing said information.
Apple develops iOS that only allows their API's - to protect/control information.
Apple starts iAd
Apple pushes publishers to buy into them having full control over subscriptions/personal info etc...
I would argue that Apple is hiding behind 'privacy' as a PR campaign to win market share and point out some mistakes/weaknesses by Google. (if this thread is any indication, it's working).
Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it.
From what i'm reading, people are starting to accept the fact that their privacy is a commodity - and now focus on which company they would like to broker it.
Life in the information age
Google could careless about privacy.
the statement "Google couldn't care less about privacy ..." is probably supported by the EULA of the Android OS.
"Google could [be/is] careless about privacy."
and
"Google couldn't care less about privacy..."
Likely, both are correct!
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Zinio is a piece of crap.
I 100% disagree with your assessment. I have been getting all of my magazine subscriptions from zinio for the last three years. The early browsers were a little difficult to use, but the adobe air app for the Mac is excellent and the zinio app for the iPad is the best I have ever seen for reading magazines.....
In fact the zinio app for the iPad is one of the reasons why I decided to go ahead and buy the iPad....
To each his own I guess...
Maybe Apple is just better at hiding the 'creepy' factor.
Think about this;
Apple has millions of people's phone numbers, addresses, emails, buying habits, taste's etc...
Apple sees companies like Google making gobs of cash/influence by utilizing said information.
Apple develops iOS that only allows their API's - to protect/control information.
Apple starts iAd
Apple pushes publishers to buy into them having full control over subscriptions/personal info etc...
I would argue that Apple is hiding behind 'privacy' as a PR campaign to win market share and point out some mistakes/weaknesses by Google. (if this thread is any indication, it's working).
Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it.
From what i'm reading, people are starting to accept the fact that their privacy is a commodity - and now focus on which company they would like to broker it.
Life in the information age
Talk about throwing stones in a glass house
Seriously? None of your synapses could figure out that Apple wants to keep all of your personal information for themselves? To power their own advertising initiatives? That their entire mobile platform revolves around this control?
Wow dude, talk about epic reading comprehension fail.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, RIM, Walmart... no large corporation is looking out for your privacy - just how to exploit it for their own gains.
If you can't read between the lines and see what is really happening (hello, your privacy is a commodity, pick your flavor of who you want to control it)... then you should chill on the ad-hom attacks.
Apple and Google are big brother.
These comments are pure cynicism. They mirror perfectly Google and Facebook's fundamental Business philosophy:
the world we live in is half-empty; why don't we make a buck or two hollowing the resisting half? After all, what are nerdy geeks for?
Apple makes money out of being upfront and reverential towards their customers; they profit from filing up the voids Google and Facebook create in their wake. Why should a thriving business practice have to justify doing what's in their business interest, namely sowing secured, carefree computing experiences and reaping profit, ... and my ever so grateful patronage?
Honesty pays at least as much dividend as trickery. It's not a moral issue, it's a balance sheet issue.
... Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it. ...
And your evidence for this is?
Yes, I think cynical is the perfect word to describe rain's comments here.
Maybe Apple is just better at hiding the 'creepy' factor.
Think about this;
Apple has millions of people's phone numbers, addresses, emails, buying habits, taste's etc...
Apple sees companies like Google making gobs of cash/influence by utilizing said information.
Apple develops iOS that only allows their API's - to protect/control information.
Apple starts iAd
Apple pushes publishers to buy into them having full control over subscriptions/personal info etc...
I would argue that Apple is hiding behind 'privacy' as a PR campaign to win market share and point out some mistakes/weaknesses by Google. (if this thread is any indication, it's working).
Apple is still using our private information for their own gain. It's just done a very good PR job of pointing over to google as a distraction. Thus the comment theme, "Apple is the lesser of the evil's".
Maybe on the surface, but your privacy is still being treated as a commodity by Apple... it's just not as 'in your face' about it.
From what i'm reading, people are starting to accept the fact that their privacy is a commodity - and now focus on which company they would like to broker it.
Life in the information age
The reasons you are wrong are staring in you the face. Apple sells lots and lots of expensive hardware and wants you to buy more. Their software, ecosystem, and privacy concerns (which they have repeatedly shown to take quite seriously) work in conjunction to sell you hardware. Yes, they will make money from other things but if the hardware and ecosystem suck...or if they start playing fast and loose with your privacy, their core business is negatively affected. Did you ever think how they dare charge for a service like mobileme when google and others provide it for free? Surely apple could provide it for free if they wanted to compete with google on an "ads and selling your data" model but they don't. And that's exactly why I am happy to pay for it.
OTOH, Google sells practically nothing but your information. If they can't abuse your private information, they are out of business. Period! And believe me, they are abusing and you ain't seen nothing yet.
The answer is as old as time: Follow the money.
I 100% disagree with your assessment. I have been getting all of my magazine subscriptions from zinio for the last three years. The early browsers were a little difficult to use, but the adobe air app for the Mac is excellent and the zinio app for the iPad is the best I have ever seen for reading magazines.....
I agree with your assessment fully and I have to question how old Ireland's experience with Zinio is and whether he ever tried it on the ipad.
In fact the zinio app for the iPad is one of the reasons why I decided to go ahead and buy the iPad....
Zinio for the iPad is the reason why I will be acquiring the second generation iPad. Oh, that and Apple's decision to renege on the draconian wording of clause 3.3.1 in the original iOS 4.0 SDK.
And your evidence for this is?
Can you say "Operation Skyhook replacement"?
...what do you mean, Google's "slave labour" in China don't qualify?
Foxconn don't exclusively make Apple products.
Google seems to know how to take care of its people. Don't see news like this coming from Apple even though they have record earning. Then again it would be hard to get a bonus to the slave labor in china.
http://www.businessinsider.com/googl...-raise-2010-11
I actually think Apple recognizes that protecting user privacy, and not (ab)using what user data they do have, is good business. So, while many may think all companies are the same, and will do anything for a buck, they might consider that for some companies, what they will do for that buck is not sell you out, because that makes more money for them in the long run. Not caving to publishers is, I think, part of a broader Apple strategy that has to do with maintaining a certain level of trust with customers.
Well stated.
To bad. The Google's and Microsoft's, even the FaceBooks of the
world will surrender to the wills of the slave-masters.
Apple will try holding them off as long as possible.
Good stuff. Please post a whole lot more of this sort of thing.
Apple is becoming the Big Brother that they threw the hammer at in 1984.
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I wish I had a big brother just like Steve. He's great.
Zinio is a piece of crap.
Zinio has it's place.
I get a few mags on Zinio, and I have subscribed to a couple of magazines on a dedicated iPad app. There are pros and cons both ways.
The Zinio magazines are mostly straight copies of the print magazines. They sometimes include some links to websites, and they also have the ability to include additional photo galleries and videos.
One of the magazines I get on Zinio includes a paper subscription. I especially like that, as I have the option to read the paper version if I prefer, and I can throw it away, even if I would like to hang on to some of the articles. Before Zinio, magazines would pile up, especially the how-to types that I wanted to retain.
I can read the Zinio magazines on my iPad, iPhone, and Mac. I can delete the files, and download them again anytime from Zinio. And, there is an HTML version available, so I can read my magazines on any computer using a browser. I can even print out some of the pages, although they include a watermark.
The special versions of magazines for the iPad I have sampled had very cool layouts, embedded videos, pictures... generally a good "feel" for use on the iPad. I enjoy reading these on the iPad more than their Zinio cousins, but I can't bring them up on my Cinema Display. That is a little frustrating.
So, Zinio could use a little improvement for use on mobile devices, but it still has versatility in terms of the number of ways it can be viewed, and a large number of available magazines. Personally, I do not want a separate app for every magazine subscription. I currently "subscribe" (ie in-app purchase each month) to two non-Zinio mags on my iPad, and each has its own app.
I would love to see the iBook app become a magazine platform as well. However, I would also like to see Apple adopt some of the practices of Zinio (which would be pretty detrimental to Zinio).