If I was among the maddening crowd who bought an iPad as a holiday gift, I'd be pretty upset to see the new one debut so soon thereafter. The iPhone I can understand, but I think iPad 2 needs to come out later to avoid angering the fans who knew a new one would come...albeit later in 2011, not right away.
They should call it 'iPhone V,' a double play on roman numeral 5 and V for Verizon.
Why should you be upset? It's not as if the product you bought will fall apart as soon as a new one is announced. And if you're posting info on AppleInsider, I'm sure you are wise enough NEVER to buy an Apple product when it approaches time for an update (which means, yes, you'll be waiting for a bit).
It does not take a genius to know when Apple is going to update a product. It's on an almost yearly cycle. People who got iPads for Christmas have still enjoyed them. Those with wise tech-oriented people told their friends to give IOUs for an iPad 2.
I want to say September at the earliest. WWDC developers will get a late beta of Lion, and Apple needs months to build out to a GM. I also don't buy iMac Touch at all. No one wants to reach out and touch a vertical screen for eight hours.
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The iPad announce is the wildcard -- Apple can announce and release this whenever they want.
A box about the size of an AppleTV with space for internal hdd RAID and external hdd.
It will be iOS based and run network TimeMachine...
Oh, yeah, it will run iTunes...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
That just feels so WRONG to me.
I want to say September at the earliest. WWDC developers will get a late beta of Lion, and Apple needs months to build out to a GM. I also don't buy iMac Touch at all. No one wants to reach out and touch a vertical screen for eight hours.
It's an iDevice... why not April?
You may well be right -- I am only guessing!
The point I was trying to make is that Apple has a backlog of things to announce.
Apple is/are master of marketing and timing.
Why go to CES and compete for press with the others?
Apple gets more press by not announcing anything.
Silence...
Then a press invite from Apple for the following week.
The press goes crazy for a week in anticipation.
Apple has their press announcement.
The press goes crazy for a week or two, in response.
Repeat!
Somewhere during all this RIM or Moto or ? releases their "next great thing" -- but it gets no press -- nobody knows or cares.
The point I was trying to make is that Apple has a backlog of things to announce.
Apple is/are master of marketing and timing.
Why go to CES and compete for press with the others?
Apple gets more press by not announcing anything.
Actually, i?ve firmly believe the MAS will come out on the first day of CES. It?s a product that does not need another introduction. It?s a product that will still thrive even if not getting complete focus from the press out of the gate. It?s a product that contain other products that will announce across Twitter, FaceBook, developer sites, et al. that they are on the MAS. Yet it will disrupt CES enough to give Apple the effect they need. It?s a free flash grenade for Apple to throw in their opponent?s camp.
...Somewhere. in all this (1 half 2011) is a 64-bit ARM-based XServe replacement & Final Cut Pro apps.
I presume that's related to this:
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
A box about the size of an AppleTV with space for internal hdd RAID and external hdd.
It will be iOS based and run network TimeMachine...
Oh, yeah, it will run iTunes...
Well, as a side note...an AppleTV is way too small for an internal hard disk...
But yes an A4 and iOS based home server would be interesting, expanding on Time Machine basically. Great if it served media to the AppleTV and other Apple devices in the home (which is what you mean by running iTunes?)
But that's not enough to need extra staff for 3 weeks, I think. Unless it was part of something bigger...
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Originally Posted by iVlad
I think Apple might call the event something in the theme of Wireless connectivity, announcing the new MobileMe, iWork.com, iTunes cloud and new routers like airport extreme. In the end the "one more thing" is gonna be the iPhone for Verizon.
It is about time Apple announced what the new data centre will be doing. Bringing together iWork.com, new MobileMe, iTunes cloud, new router/servers... could be interesting but I still wonder about the single "BUY ME" device that would need staff in the stores.
Back to the iServer idea - the biggest complaint about having things "in the cloud" is the speed of access, and distrust of not having a local copy yourself. An Apple home server that duplicates itself entirely in the cloud would be interesting - buy a 2TB home server with 2TB online storage - and have all your devices (including laptops) syncing to the home server (when home) or MobileMe (when out and about)? This brings together cloud and home systems in a nice way.
btw: On an "out there" note - 3 years ago there were rumours of Steve Jobs meeting with a community mesh networking group (like Meraki?). Apple could still release a system that turned every Airport or iMac into an open wireless signal for other Apple devices to connect to, to bypass the mobile networks. Again though... what's the "BUY ME" product here?
I really hope its the new CHEAPER iPad2....i've wanted an iPad since they came out but havent been able to afford it.
My thought is, Apple loves the hype. And they always deliver on the product. It always lives up the hype. This is just hype for the new iPad......i guarantee it
I would agree with you initially but....Does Apple ever launch products simultaneously in the US and let's say europe??? The iPad was only available in the US for months before it was available in any other country. I especially know because I was working at the apple store during the ipad launch and there would be tons upon tons of people from europe and asia in the store buying iPads.
On the contrary! I was glad to see Apple introduce the new MBA worldwide simultaneously! A change with many positive implications. As shareholder I like their growth, and aiming to the world instead of the US enables much more growth in many ways. As non US resident Apple fan I get access to more goodies earlier.
A CDMA iPhone is though a very US thing with interest - for me - only as shareholder.
If it would be something else like iPad 2 or MBPs, then it's another story.
A bad thing to note: in the swedish apple store, they still retail the old apple tv. Very bad! In all perspectives!
I have a hard time understanding why so many people think a new iPhone refresh would be on time in January and an iPad 2 refresh would be 'too soon'.
People aren't talking about an iPhone refresh. They are talking about the present iPhone 4 in a CDMA version for Verizon. We won't be seeing iPhone 5 untill June/July.
The first iMac/MBP Touches will still use track pads and keyboards, but also have touch screens, IMO. I expect them to be released with Lion.
But WHY. A vertical touchscreen will never be used. It's a gimmick. You mess with it for five minutes on the HP models in stores, but (heaven forbid you actually buy one) no one uses it when they take it home.
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I agree it's too tiring, as you describe. But there are advantages too.
"Gee, Bob, your arms sure are muscular!"
"Why, thanks, Ted; it's all thanks to my new HP TouchSmart computer that I've been forcing myself to use vertically like it is in the store."
"Gee, Bob, that seems awfully stupid, given the inherent failures of ergonomics on a vertical touchscreen."
But WHY. A vertical touchscreen will never be used. It's a gimmick. You mess with it for five minutes on the HP models in stores, but (heaven forbid you actually buy one) no one uses it when they take it home.
"Gee, Bob, your arms sure are muscular!"
"Why, thanks, Ted; it's all thanks to my new HP TouchSmart computer that I've been forcing myself to use vertically like it is in the store."
"Gee, Bob, that seems awfully stupid, given the inherent failures of ergonomics on a vertical touchscreen."
But WHY. A vertical touchscreen will never be used. It's a gimmick. You mess with it for five minutes on the HP models in stores, but (heaven forbid you actually buy one) no one uses it when they take it home.
Because people are starting to expect to be able to touch a screen and interact in that method. The same way some people grab an old Nokia and try to click on the icons instead of using the little joystick to move about.
And Apple was the company that set that touch expectation.
In your standard desktop configuration it won't be used much. Multi-touch is good for resizing and moving objects but otherwise as you say it just doesn't make sense. Still the interface will evolve (and look more iPad like in many ways which will work for touch). I think the touch pad will become the well used "short cut" to accomplishing most onscreen movements more easily.
(BTW.... touchscreen or not, Lion needs to fix the touch scrolling contradiction between Lion and iOS. In iOS if you want to scroll down a page you slide up with your finger, but in OSX you slide down with your fingers. The Lion demo did not fix this.)
I am not sure why so many people think that it is going to be one or the other of an iPhone or an iPad.
I agree with an earlier poster, this "event" is going to be all about connectivity. They will roll out whatever they are doing with the datacenter (streaming iTunes or major change in MobileMe are my guesses). Then they will release a new iPhone and iPad.
Number them whatever you want, but the major point of them will be that they will work on Verizon. The only change to the iPhone will likely be the CDMA capabilities, and perhaps a fix for the antenna. However, I see the iPad getting a few upgrades. Primarily being the inclusion of cameras for Facetime, and I would guess a bump in RAM to equal the iPhone 4.
One other note or place to look for verification of this is Verizon's hiring practices. In my area Verizon has been hiring a sizable number of network technicians within the last couple of months. I know because a family member used to work for Sprint and was just hired by Verizon, along with a few of his co-workers. Seems to me they could very well be prepping themselves for a flood of new users, like say from a new Verizon iPhone.
Does Apple ever launch products simultaneously in the US and let's say europe??? The iPad was only available in the US for months before it was available in any other country.
Only the really hot products have a staggered worldwide launch (ie, iPhone and iPad), Macs and iPods normally are released simultaneously worldwide.
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...and new routers like airport extreme.
The Spaceport Express.
Yes, but what's the point? What would they add? 802.11ac isn't finalized yet.
A box about the size of an AppleTV with space for internal hdd RAID and external hdd.
It will be iOS based and run network TimeMachine...
Oh, yeah, it will run iTunes...
If I was among the maddening crowd who bought an iPad as a holiday gift, I'd be pretty upset to see the new one debut so soon thereafter. The iPhone I can understand, but I think iPad 2 needs to come out later to avoid angering the fans who knew a new one would come...albeit later in 2011, not right away.
They should call it 'iPhone V,' a double play on roman numeral 5 and V for Verizon.
Why should you be upset? It's not as if the product you bought will fall apart as soon as a new one is announced. And if you're posting info on AppleInsider, I'm sure you are wise enough NEVER to buy an Apple product when it approaches time for an update (which means, yes, you'll be waiting for a bit).
It does not take a genius to know when Apple is going to update a product. It's on an almost yearly cycle. People who got iPads for Christmas have still enjoyed them. Those with wise tech-oriented people told their friends to give IOUs for an iPad 2.
...Then vPhone in late Feb - early Mar.
...Then iP5 in late May - early Jun.
...Then Mac OS X Lion + iMac Touch in July.
...Somewhere. in all this (1 half 2011) is a 64-bit ARM-based XServe replacement & Final Cut Pro apps.
The iPad announce is the wildcard -- Apple can announce and release this whenever they want.
So far, nothing at CES is forcing their hand.
...Then vPhone in late Feb - early Mar.
...Then iP5 in late May - early Jun.
That just feels so WRONG to me.
...Then Mac OS X Lion + iMac Touch in July.
I want to say September at the earliest. WWDC developers will get a late beta of Lion, and Apple needs months to build out to a GM. I also don't buy iMac Touch at all. No one wants to reach out and touch a vertical screen for eight hours.
The iPad announce is the wildcard -- Apple can announce and release this whenever they want.
It's an iDevice... why not April?
Here's my guess.
A box about the size of an AppleTV with space for internal hdd RAID and external hdd.
It will be iOS based and run network TimeMachine...
Oh, yeah, it will run iTunes...
That just feels so WRONG to me.
I want to say September at the earliest. WWDC developers will get a late beta of Lion, and Apple needs months to build out to a GM. I also don't buy iMac Touch at all. No one wants to reach out and touch a vertical screen for eight hours.
It's an iDevice... why not April?
You may well be right -- I am only guessing!
The point I was trying to make is that Apple has a backlog of things to announce.
Apple is/are master of marketing and timing.
Why go to CES and compete for press with the others?
Apple gets more press by not announcing anything.
Silence...
Then a press invite from Apple for the following week.
The press goes crazy for a week in anticipation.
Apple has their press announcement.
The press goes crazy for a week or two, in response.
Repeat!
Somewhere during all this RIM or Moto or ? releases their "next great thing" -- but it gets no press -- nobody knows or cares.
That's marketing as done by the master.
If I was among the maddening crowd
While crowds are maddening, especially if you work in the Apple store, it's actually "madding" crowd.
You may well be right -- I am only guessing!
The point I was trying to make is that Apple has a backlog of things to announce.
Apple is/are master of marketing and timing.
Why go to CES and compete for press with the others?
Apple gets more press by not announcing anything.
Actually, i?ve firmly believe the MAS will come out on the first day of CES. It?s a product that does not need another introduction. It?s a product that will still thrive even if not getting complete focus from the press out of the gate. It?s a product that contain other products that will announce across Twitter, FaceBook, developer sites, et al. that they are on the MAS. Yet it will disrupt CES enough to give Apple the effect they need. It?s a free flash grenade for Apple to throw in their opponent?s camp.
...Somewhere. in all this (1 half 2011) is a 64-bit ARM-based XServe replacement & Final Cut Pro apps.
I presume that's related to this:
A box about the size of an AppleTV with space for internal hdd RAID and external hdd.
It will be iOS based and run network TimeMachine...
Oh, yeah, it will run iTunes...
Well, as a side note...an AppleTV is way too small for an internal hard disk...
But yes an A4 and iOS based home server would be interesting, expanding on Time Machine basically. Great if it served media to the AppleTV and other Apple devices in the home (which is what you mean by running iTunes?)
But that's not enough to need extra staff for 3 weeks, I think. Unless it was part of something bigger...
I think Apple might call the event something in the theme of Wireless connectivity, announcing the new MobileMe, iWork.com, iTunes cloud and new routers like airport extreme. In the end the "one more thing" is gonna be the iPhone for Verizon.
It is about time Apple announced what the new data centre will be doing. Bringing together iWork.com, new MobileMe, iTunes cloud, new router/servers... could be interesting but I still wonder about the single "BUY ME" device that would need staff in the stores.
Back to the iServer idea - the biggest complaint about having things "in the cloud" is the speed of access, and distrust of not having a local copy yourself. An Apple home server that duplicates itself entirely in the cloud would be interesting - buy a 2TB home server with 2TB online storage - and have all your devices (including laptops) syncing to the home server (when home) or MobileMe (when out and about)? This brings together cloud and home systems in a nice way.
btw: On an "out there" note - 3 years ago there were rumours of Steve Jobs meeting with a community mesh networking group (like Meraki?). Apple could still release a system that turned every Airport or iMac into an open wireless signal for other Apple devices to connect to, to bypass the mobile networks. Again though... what's the "BUY ME" product here?
iPad makes sense to me as the main release, plus various extras.
I don't see Verizon iPhone requiring the staff, but perhaps that's because I'm not from the US!
I also don't buy iMac Touch at all. No one wants to reach out and touch a vertical screen for eight hours.
The first iMac/MBP Touches will still use track pads and keyboards, but also have touch screens, IMO. I expect them to be released with Lion.
I agree it's too tiring, as you describe. But there are advantages too.
My thought is, Apple loves the hype. And they always deliver on the product. It always lives up the hype. This is just hype for the new iPad......i guarantee it
I really hope its the new CHEAPER iPad2..
Needs to drop $100 to better meet competitors.
I would agree with you initially but....Does Apple ever launch products simultaneously in the US and let's say europe??? The iPad was only available in the US for months before it was available in any other country. I especially know because I was working at the apple store during the ipad launch and there would be tons upon tons of people from europe and asia in the store buying iPads.
On the contrary! I was glad to see Apple introduce the new MBA worldwide simultaneously! A change with many positive implications. As shareholder I like their growth, and aiming to the world instead of the US enables much more growth in many ways. As non US resident Apple fan I get access to more goodies earlier.
A CDMA iPhone is though a very US thing with interest - for me - only as shareholder.
If it would be something else like iPad 2 or MBPs, then it's another story.
A bad thing to note: in the swedish apple store, they still retail the old apple tv. Very bad! In all perspectives!
I have a hard time understanding why so many people think a new iPhone refresh would be on time in January and an iPad 2 refresh would be 'too soon'.
People aren't talking about an iPhone refresh. They are talking about the present iPhone 4 in a CDMA version for Verizon. We won't be seeing iPhone 5 untill June/July.
The first iMac/MBP Touches will still use track pads and keyboards, but also have touch screens, IMO. I expect them to be released with Lion.
But WHY. A vertical touchscreen will never be used. It's a gimmick. You mess with it for five minutes on the HP models in stores, but (heaven forbid you actually buy one) no one uses it when they take it home.
I agree it's too tiring, as you describe. But there are advantages too.
"Gee, Bob, your arms sure are muscular!"
"Why, thanks, Ted; it's all thanks to my new HP TouchSmart computer that I've been forcing myself to use vertically like it is in the store."
"Gee, Bob, that seems awfully stupid, given the inherent failures of ergonomics on a vertical touchscreen."
"Why, Ted, I believe you're right."
And yes, ladies and gentlemen, it's 4 A.M. here.
But WHY. A vertical touchscreen will never be used. It's a gimmick. You mess with it for five minutes on the HP models in stores, but (heaven forbid you actually buy one) no one uses it when they take it home.
"Gee, Bob, your arms sure are muscular!"
"Why, thanks, Ted; it's all thanks to my new HP TouchSmart computer that I've been forcing myself to use vertically like it is in the store."
"Gee, Bob, that seems awfully stupid, given the inherent failures of ergonomics on a vertical touchscreen."
"Why, Ted, I believe you're right."
And yes, ladies and gentlemen, it's 4 A.M. here.
But WHY. A vertical touchscreen will never be used. It's a gimmick. You mess with it for five minutes on the HP models in stores, but (heaven forbid you actually buy one) no one uses it when they take it home.
Because people are starting to expect to be able to touch a screen and interact in that method. The same way some people grab an old Nokia and try to click on the icons instead of using the little joystick to move about.
And Apple was the company that set that touch expectation.
In your standard desktop configuration it won't be used much. Multi-touch is good for resizing and moving objects but otherwise as you say it just doesn't make sense. Still the interface will evolve (and look more iPad like in many ways which will work for touch). I think the touch pad will become the well used "short cut" to accomplishing most onscreen movements more easily.
(BTW.... touchscreen or not, Lion needs to fix the touch scrolling contradiction between Lion and iOS. In iOS if you want to scroll down a page you slide up with your finger, but in OSX you slide down with your fingers. The Lion demo did not fix this.)
I agree with an earlier poster, this "event" is going to be all about connectivity. They will roll out whatever they are doing with the datacenter (streaming iTunes or major change in MobileMe are my guesses). Then they will release a new iPhone and iPad.
Number them whatever you want, but the major point of them will be that they will work on Verizon. The only change to the iPhone will likely be the CDMA capabilities, and perhaps a fix for the antenna. However, I see the iPad getting a few upgrades. Primarily being the inclusion of cameras for Facetime, and I would guess a bump in RAM to equal the iPhone 4.
One other note or place to look for verification of this is Verizon's hiring practices. In my area Verizon has been hiring a sizable number of network technicians within the last couple of months. I know because a family member used to work for Sprint and was just hired by Verizon, along with a few of his co-workers. Seems to me they could very well be prepping themselves for a flood of new users, like say from a new Verizon iPhone.
Does Apple ever launch products simultaneously in the US and let's say europe??? The iPad was only available in the US for months before it was available in any other country.
Only the really hot products have a staggered worldwide launch (ie, iPhone and iPad), Macs and iPods normally are released simultaneously worldwide.