Deutsche Bank very positive on iPhone trial, 'no going back' to BlackBerry

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  • Reply 21 of 44
    "The other under-appreciated feature on the Blackberry," the report stated, "was the blinking red light to signal new email. The iPhone has no equivalent which was a point of frustration as it required logging into the app frequently when awaiting a specific email."



    SOLUTION, right here, at AppleInsider:



    Hey, you've got mail!

    No mail, buddy!

    You've got junk mail!

    Chill, dude!

    Your Flame was sent!

    Still no reply!

    I don't know, maybe she met someone else and changed her email address!
  • Reply 22 of 44
    "Hi, this is Jim Balsilly, CEO of RIM. I just wanted to let Deutsche Bank know that the PlayBook will run Flash. It'll run Flash, god dammit. FLASH!"



    Quote:

    "The other under-appreciated feature on the Blackberry," the report stated, "was the blinking red light to signal new email. The iPhone has no equivalent which was a point of frustration as it required logging into the app frequently when awaiting a specific email."



    On a separate note, iOS needs to address this. It is very unlike Apple to have an entire piece of UI real estate be virtually useless; the lock screen does nothing other than tell the time.



    I see a glowing screen, or a sleep indicator that could double as a new-email alert. Maybe it could be touch-sensitive and replace the sleep/wake switch, and pulse at the rate of human breathing.
  • Reply 23 of 44
    Interesting article.



    I can't type on those Blackberry or Palm Treo keyboards. The keys are tiny and stiff. I've heard BBM users swear by them, but I've always found tapping on the iPhone's virtual keyboard faster and easier. You have to learn to "trust" the iPhone keyboard.
  • Reply 24 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    With a glass front I?d think it would be trival to add a rolling LED light like they have on Macs when in sleep mode. Hell, on MBPs the rolling LED light is behind aluminium milled thin enough that lights shines through.





    PS: Assuming Apple will add this or an equivalent feature in the next iPhone (here?s hoping!), where do you think they?d add it?



    Some obvious to less obvious ideas: Upper left hand quadrant above the display, center of the Home Button, or as a smaller, secondary display under the primary display that uses little power and gives off more information than a blinking light.



    I know that last one is a bit out there, but Apple does have a patent for such a beast, which may be why they haven?t added this seemingly obvious, simple and useful light for the last 4 years.



    I don't think that Apple will add such a light to the iPhone - it seems like it would ruin the design ethos of it all. IF they did, it seems logical to put it by the earpiece/front camera, similar to the iSight indicator. Or maybe the would shoot micro-holes in the aluminum band (similar to the MacBook Pro sleep indicator) and have a soft white light that pulses!
  • Reply 25 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tenchi211 View Post


    The one thing I've always missed on my iPhone that I've had even on my cheap pay-as-you-go phones was some type blinking light that lets me know even from across the room that I've received a call or message. That is the one feature that is sorely missing from this great device. Maybe we'll get it with an iPhone 5 (I HOPE!!).



    I can sort of see that, but For me it was kinda useless.

    With several mail accounts texts and PINs the light was constantly blinking and was distracting. I'd have to open it up only to find out it was some Viagra spam
  • Reply 26 of 44
    adonissmuadonissmu Posts: 1,774member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    With a glass front I?d think it would be trival to add a rolling LED light like they have on Macs when in sleep mode. Hell, on MBPs the rolling LED light is behind aluminium milled thin enough that lights shines through.





    PS: Assuming Apple will add this or an equivalent feature in the next iPhone (here?s hoping!), where do you think they?d add it?



    Some obvious to less obvious ideas: Upper left hand quadrant above the display, center of the Home Button, or as a smaller, secondary display under the primary display that uses little power and gives off more information than a blinking light.



    I know that last one is a bit out there, but Apple does have a patent for such a beast, which may be why they haven?t added this seemingly obvious, simple and useful light for the last 4 years.



    I get alerts when I get messages on my phone. Why this app can't offer up the same thing is beyond me. I don't think the phone itself needs any blinking lights on it.
  • Reply 27 of 44
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 2,734member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post


    "Good for Enterprise" app has some pretty bad reviews on iTunes.



    There's a reason for that -- it sucks.



    I vastly prefer using ActiveSync to access Exchange e-mail and calendar. The downside is that I'm forced to set a "hard" password for my entire phone (instead of the 4-digit passcode), but that's vastly better than using Good.



    In fairness to Good, I'm not sure that it could be much better. I suspect a big part of the problem lies with overly-zealous corporate security types demanding features in Good that result in it being useless. Products designed to appease corporate security bureaucrats are seldom good for end-users.
  • Reply 28 of 44
    hudson1hudson1 Posts: 800member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    I doubt Apple would add a notification light just for email. The iPhone is, by design, a jack-of-all-trades and it would be uncharacteristic to give it a hardware feature for just one app. The BB is basically an email machine, the iPhone is not.



    Moreover, for a lot of the buying public (read, younger) "email" is a bit old school, with most communication happening as texts or Facebook postings. I don't think Apple puts a "business" feature into hardware when it's selling so many phones to the post email generation.



    Now, I guess I could see a user selectable notification light with possible settings for text, email, IM or Twitter.



    I have a work-issued BB Tour. I don't like it one bit but it's much more than just an "email machine". It does IM and text messages just fine. In fact I'd say it does those things better than email. Don't get me started on the BB browser.
  • Reply 29 of 44
    Not disputing the article, but doesn't BB have touch UI models? These only US models?



    Good has never been spoken of highly either. They should use some integrated apple solution, if one exists.
  • Reply 30 of 44
    whozownwhozown Posts: 128member
    "iOS is the gold standard (iPad and iPhone) "

    I love reading articles like this, just see how many people get all uppity and offended.



    Screw the email light, I've learned to deal with it. Apple does it right.
  • Reply 31 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post


    Yes and no. The device may sound and/or vibrate when a phone message or text comes in unless you turn those functions off. In the case of a text message it turns on the screen and is visible. But the screen does turn off after a minute or two to preserve battery life. You can also control how many times the text alert continues to repeat (even greater control options in forthcoming update). But he's right. There is no light that comes on and stays on. Hasn't been a problem for me, but then I never had anything but iPhones. I've never heard anyone else express concern over the absence of a beacon, so it shouldn't be a deal-breaker for you. You just adapt--kinda like adapting to not having physical keys.



    put in a light that blinks once if have an email , twice if you have a missed call, 3 times if its a text, 4 times if its a skype, 5 times if its a tweet, 6 times if its a facebook post, 7 times if its an app update, 8 times if ....



    wait what if you have a skype AND a text...



    ok, put in 2 lights, one blinks once if......



    oh bugger! maybe i didnt think this out. Suppose its back to the complicated process of just looking at the phone... oh the humanity !!! Someone, think of the children !

  • Reply 32 of 44
    The issue here in the UK is that come Nov FSA (financial services authority) dictates than any FSA companies (banks, traders, financial institutions etc) must have all their work mobile phone calls recorded. The current method is to run a non hackable piece of software on phones that effectively routes all calls in to voice recording hardware before the call is routed back to the phone from the recording device. This is all fine with most other brands but currently the iphone does not allow a non hackable way of doing this. Running an app simply is not acceptable as that app can be disabled at will by the user. And so any financial institution will struggle to use iphones come Nov if this issue is not resolved in the UK. And the definition of a work phone is anything that receives work related info. So even if I use my personal iphone to access work emails it is regarded as a work phone and needs to be recorded. Thus any FSA related company that hasn't found a solution to the above will not be able to allow anyone with an iphone to access emails or any work related data.



    Although there is still sometime for a solution to be found its certainly a stumbling block in to the adaptation of iphones in the UK.
  • Reply 33 of 44
    [QUOTE=solipsism;1793247]With a glass front I?d think it would be trival to add a rolling LED light like they have on Macs when in sleep mode. Hell, on MBPs the rolling LED light is behind aluminium milled thin enough that lights shines through./QUOTE]



    There was a patent notice some time ago where Apple posited a very low-power mode for the screen that allowed the display of information when the phone was sleeping. That could include new emails, new text notifications, etc.
  • Reply 34 of 44
    The solution for now is to jailbreak your phone and use one of the notifier apps to put messages on your lock screen. For example, you can choose to have it tell you that you have an email, have it specify which account, show the sender and subject, or if you are not concerned about security, it can even show you the first line or two of the message. Missed calls, voicemails, texts, app alerts, and calendar appointments can also be displayed.



    You can then hit the power or home button and see in one quick glance if you should swipe and unlock the phone to look at the specific apps. Gee what a concept. Perhaps Apple will someday realize that this type of thing is useful and should either be built into the OS or allowed in the App Store.
  • Reply 35 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by loobie View Post


    The issue here in the UK is that come Nov FSA (financial services authority) dictates than any FSA companies (banks, traders, financial institutions etc) must have all their work mobile phone calls recorded. The current method is to run a non hackable piece of software on phones that effectively routes all calls in to voice recording hardware before the call is routed back to the phone from the recording device. This is all fine with most other brands but currently the iphone does not allow a non hackable way of doing this. Running an app simply is not acceptable as that app can be disabled at will by the user. And so any financial institution will struggle to use iphones come Nov if this issue is not resolved in the UK. And the definition of a work phone is anything that receives work related info. So even if I use my personal iphone to access work emails it is regarded as a work phone and needs to be recorded. Thus any FSA related company that hasn't found a solution to the above will not be able to allow anyone with an iphone to access emails or any work related data.



    Although there is still sometime for a solution to be found its certainly a stumbling block in to the adaptation of iphones in the UK.



    What an incredibly stupid regulation. I would setup my voicemail to say the following: "Hello this Nigel, calls on ths phone are being recorded. If you are calling about something illegal, please hangup and call my private phone at 123456789, otherwise leave a message." Sure an app can be disabled, but how are they going to stop you from using a different phone? If you are commiting financial fraud, you can certainly afford more than one mobile device! Also, how do they keep you from putting the work sim into a phone without the "non-hackable" (yeah right!) software?
  • Reply 36 of 44
    sheffsheff Posts: 1,407member
    Quite exciting news. Perhaps by the time I graduate I will no longer be handed a blackberry at work. On the other hand, they will probably put in some restrictions which will force me to buy a separate personal phone as wel.



    How does the distribution of Good Email client work? It can't be on app store. Do they just send emails with iPAs?
  • Reply 37 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post


    ... In fairness to Good, I'm not sure that it could be much better. I suspect a big part of the problem lies with overly-zealous corporate security types demanding features in Good that result in it being useless. Products designed to appease corporate security bureaucrats are seldom good for end-users.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post


    What an incredibly stupid regulation. I would setup my voicemail to say the following: "Hello this Nigel, calls on ths phone are being recorded. If you are calling about something illegal, please hangup and call my private phone at 123456789, otherwise leave a message." Sure an app can be disabled, but how are they going to stop you from using a different phone? If you are commiting financial fraud, you can certainly afford more than one mobile device! Also, how do they keep you from putting the work sim into a phone without the "non-hackable" (yeah right!) software?



    There are two issues here. First, financial institutions often have to implement security restrictions to satisfy auditors. Sometimes they seem "over-zealous" but the point is to protect sensitive data, which is often data that belongs to customers of the financial institution.



    Secondly, the reason financial institutions record phone calls is that the phone call is often the only record that exists of a transaction, who it was made with and the terms that both parties agreed to. For example, traders may simply call each other and say something like, "I'll buy $50-Million in 5-year notes, maturing on <date> at <price> from you." The guy on the other end says, "OK," and the deal is done. If that phone call isn't recorded, there is no record of the agreed to terms of the transaction.



    Also, I believe the SIM can be locked to the IMEI.
  • Reply 38 of 44
    Not surprising that the BlackBerry "pushes" email to users. Even the native email app on iOS can push email. As for a light to alert the user of a received message, the iPhone has push notifications, The Facebook app does this.
  • Reply 39 of 44
    kolchakkolchak Posts: 1,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Some obvious to less obvious ideas: Upper left hand quadrant above the display, center of the Home Button, or as a smaller, secondary display under the primary display that uses little power and gives off more information than a blinking light.



    How about an e-ink secondary display? It's not like you'd need it to update very often or display very detailed information. It would take no power at all except when it's updated. And it wouldn't be as obtrusive as a backlit display.
  • Reply 40 of 44
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    I doubt Apple would add a notification light just for email. The iPhone is, by design, a jack-of-all-trades and it would be uncharacteristic to give it a hardware feature for just one app. The BB is basically an email machine, the iPhone is not.



    Moreover, for a lot of the buying public (read, younger) "email" is a bit old school, with most communication happening as texts or Facebook postings. I don't think Apple puts a "business" feature into hardware when it's selling so many phones to the post email generation.



    Now, I guess I could see a user selectable notification light with possible settings for text, email, IM or Twitter.



    How about a low-power laser that burns a hole in your pocket and singes your flesh? That would get your attention.
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