Touch screens of this sort of pixel density don't just have to be used for tablets, although I am talking about 30" not 10". They could be used for Macs that can run a hybrid iOS / OS X type OS. Think about the 'fold back' screen rumored for a future iMac allowing a surface for controlling music software with touch, editing and large keyboards as just one example.
It's also cheating on the real resolution. The actual number of pixels in a pen tile display is less than the number advertised. Real pixels are shared between neighboring counted pixels. A side effect is that it defeats the purpose of having a retina display: sharper text.
thanks for explaining this! you cut right through the fud.
Actually the question is the overall quality of Samsung's proposition.
Who cares if it has a retina display if the OS and apps are crap?
Its a matter of opinion, Android 3.0 is not crap. And on the subject of OS I prefer Win7 over OS-X. From what I can see of lion, OS-X is actually getting worst while windows is getting better, not good for Apple.
I dont think Apple is going to be able to keep is dominant position in the Tablet market like it did with the ipod. The impact of being a control freak close down OS on an ipod are low, but on a device that is close of being a computer, the impact of being close down is much greater. The only thing saving Apple is superior hardware with great prices, not superior software.
It's also cheating on the real resolution. The actual number of pixels in a pen tile display is less than the number advertised. Real pixels are shared between neighboring counted pixels. A side effect is that it defeats the purpose of having a retina display: sharper text.
I thought that issue had changed when Samsung's latest OLED2 was introduced? Are you sure your information is still accurate? Not claiming it isn't, but thought you might want to check.
What's the point? This HD screen is all fine and well, but Apple's competitors lack their own head water of content media. At this time, no one, simply no one can compete. Strike this one up as just another POS Zune.
Actually the question is the overall quality of Samsung's proposition.
Who cares if it has a retina display if the OS and apps are crap?
so true! us consumers who are interested in owning a computer of some form are no longer interested in chasing hardware specifications. nearly most of the time we bring home a computer because of its impressive specifications only to realize that there are barely few or no quality applications or content for us to enjoy all of these impressive specifications.
no more so-called productivity software for us because we deal with it everyday for work. and really, who cares which version of Microsoft Office or whatnot is included with the spec-out computers. today's consumers' bottom line is now: how reliably and creatively the company is able to make products that could help feed our insatiable appetite for entertainment and style. for now, apple is doing quite well with this bottom line.
ps: the geek side of me do care for a retina display. especially when there is good content to enjoy on it
No way... You must be dreaming if you think that iPad 2 or even iPad 3 will be able to run on that resolution.
Even some of the top performing Desktop systems running Nvidia GTX580 are barely displaying 3D games with playable frames at that resolution, and we are talking here about ARM cpu with a Power VR GPU... Good luck pushing that pixel density on that hardware!
Engadget is reporting that LG is going to have a similar announcement and that it will be about an entire range of screen sizes from tiny to TV sized and including 9.7 inch.
iPad 3 will have either 3D or Retina as there are few other NEW features to be added. I'm hoping and betting on Retina. 3D has the issue of only being viewable at either portrait or landscape (not both) so that's a pretty big compromise for Apple. Retina has its own challenges --performance!-- but the sharpness of text would be a VERY distinguishing and palpable reason for any consumer to be swayed toward it. Also, game performance is not an issue as it could just render at half res if need be.
I'm going to go out on a limb, a solid, thick, steady limb, and say that we won't see an update to iPad until first quarter next year at the earliest. I only bring it up because someone in this thread is guess(hoping?) otherwise.
What's the point? This HD screen is all fine and well, but Apple's competitors lack their own head water of content media. At this time, no one, simply no one can compete. Strike this one up as just another POS Zune.
The point is that these companies are Apple?s competitors when it comes to full products but are their suppliers when it comes to displays, NAND, and nearly every other component in their devices.
Sounds like Samsung could give their tablet a huge marketing win over the iPad with that display which is 16:10, but I question the overall quality of the PenTile design. How is the viewing angel compared to IPS? What does that mean for the GPU? Is the pixel count referring to the main pixels or to the sub pixels like we?ve seen in some AMOLED displays?
We can describe it as the "oft criticized PenTile display". I read one article that said that it will compete with lower resolution displays in quality.
The PenTile technology isn't very good for text or graphics, though it's not bad for video. The funny thing is that ultimate sharpness for video is much less important than sharpness for text and graphics.
10.1" - that should find a home on some notebooks!
Wonder if Samsung also choose this size to keep is out of Apple's hands
I would think that other manufacturers are trying to get some differentiation from the iPad. By moving from 9.7 to 10.1, manufacturers can say that they have a 10" display, in an attempt to have consumers think that Apple's is a 9" display.
It's also cheating on the real resolution. The actual number of pixels in a pen tile display is less than the number advertised. Real pixels are shared between neighboring counted pixels. A side effect is that it defeats the purpose of having a retina display: sharper text.
I think it is a little more complicated than just counting the pixels. The sub pixels are based on how the cones and retina actually perceive color and luminance. So in some respects it really is a retina display.
Pentile seems fine. The Original Galaxy S had it and most reviewers preferred it or rated it on par with the iP4 display.
Presuming the GPU will be the ARM Mali-400 MP in the Exynos SOC thats in the Galaxy S 2, then There shouldn't be a problem. Capable of drawing 450 million triangles a second - which is X-Box 360 level of performance!
No, they didn't. They easily noticed the lower quality of those displays. There were even several articles showing why PenTile displays were lower quality.
You can check a couple of links in these articles to read about PenTile displays, and another scientific breakdown of the quality relative to other displays. But no, it's not better, or even as good. It's worse.
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...Samsung will unveil the WQXGA display next week...
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Great catch!
It's also cheating on the real resolution. The actual number of pixels in a pen tile display is less than the number advertised. Real pixels are shared between neighboring counted pixels. A side effect is that it defeats the purpose of having a retina display: sharper text.
thanks for explaining this! you cut right through the fud.
Actually the question is the overall quality of Samsung's proposition.
Who cares if it has a retina display if the OS and apps are crap?
Its a matter of opinion, Android 3.0 is not crap. And on the subject of OS I prefer Win7 over OS-X. From what I can see of lion, OS-X is actually getting worst while windows is getting better, not good for Apple.
I dont think Apple is going to be able to keep is dominant position in the Tablet market like it did with the ipod. The impact of being a control freak close down OS on an ipod are low, but on a device that is close of being a computer, the impact of being close down is much greater. The only thing saving Apple is superior hardware with great prices, not superior software.
It's also cheating on the real resolution. The actual number of pixels in a pen tile display is less than the number advertised. Real pixels are shared between neighboring counted pixels. A side effect is that it defeats the purpose of having a retina display: sharper text.
I thought that issue had changed when Samsung's latest OLED2 was introduced? Are you sure your information is still accurate? Not claiming it isn't, but thought you might want to check.
while windows is getting better,
After Vista, how could this *not* be the case.
Actually the question is the overall quality of Samsung's proposition.
Who cares if it has a retina display if the OS and apps are crap?
so true! us consumers who are interested in owning a computer of some form are no longer interested in chasing hardware specifications. nearly most of the time we bring home a computer because of its impressive specifications only to realize that there are barely few or no quality applications or content for us to enjoy all of these impressive specifications.
no more so-called productivity software for us because we deal with it everyday for work. and really, who cares which version of Microsoft Office or whatnot is included with the spec-out computers. today's consumers' bottom line is now: how reliably and creatively the company is able to make products that could help feed our insatiable appetite for entertainment and style. for now, apple is doing quite well with this bottom line.
ps: the geek side of me do care for a retina display. especially when there is good content to enjoy on it
iPad 2 HD me thinks... sooner than an iPad 3.
No way... You must be dreaming if you think that iPad 2 or even iPad 3 will be able to run on that resolution.
Even some of the top performing Desktop systems running Nvidia GTX580 are barely displaying 3D games with playable frames at that resolution, and we are talking here about ARM cpu with a Power VR GPU... Good luck pushing that pixel density on that hardware!
iPad 3 will have either 3D or Retina as there are few other NEW features to be added. I'm hoping and betting on Retina. 3D has the issue of only being viewable at either portrait or landscape (not both) so that's a pretty big compromise for Apple. Retina has its own challenges --performance!-- but the sharpness of text would be a VERY distinguishing and palpable reason for any consumer to be swayed toward it. Also, game performance is not an issue as it could just render at half res if need be.
I'm going to go out on a limb, a solid, thick, steady limb, and say that we won't see an update to iPad until first quarter next year at the earliest. I only bring it up because someone in this thread is guess(hoping?) otherwise.
What's the point? This HD screen is all fine and well, but Apple's competitors lack their own head water of content media. At this time, no one, simply no one can compete. Strike this one up as just another POS Zune.
The point is that these companies are Apple?s competitors when it comes to full products but are their suppliers when it comes to displays, NAND, and nearly every other component in their devices.
Sounds like Samsung could give their tablet a huge marketing win over the iPad with that display which is 16:10, but I question the overall quality of the PenTile design. How is the viewing angel compared to IPS? What does that mean for the GPU? Is the pixel count referring to the main pixels or to the sub pixels like we?ve seen in some AMOLED displays?
We can describe it as the "oft criticized PenTile display". I read one article that said that it will compete with lower resolution displays in quality.
The PenTile technology isn't very good for text or graphics, though it's not bad for video. The funny thing is that ultimate sharpness for video is much less important than sharpness for text and graphics.
10.1" - that should find a home on some notebooks!
Wonder if Samsung also choose this size to keep is out of Apple's hands
I would think that other manufacturers are trying to get some differentiation from the iPad. By moving from 9.7 to 10.1, manufacturers can say that they have a 10" display, in an attempt to have consumers think that Apple's is a 9" display.
Apple won't use PenTile. It doesn't give accurate colour reproduction.
You can't expect sufficient reproduction when you're faced with PenTile disfunction.
It's also cheating on the real resolution. The actual number of pixels in a pen tile display is less than the number advertised. Real pixels are shared between neighboring counted pixels. A side effect is that it defeats the purpose of having a retina display: sharper text.
I think it is a little more complicated than just counting the pixels. The sub pixels are based on how the cones and retina actually perceive color and luminance. So in some respects it really is a retina display.
Pentile seems fine. The Original Galaxy S had it and most reviewers preferred it or rated it on par with the iP4 display.
Presuming the GPU will be the ARM Mali-400 MP in the Exynos SOC thats in the Galaxy S 2, then There shouldn't be a problem. Capable of drawing 450 million triangles a second - which is X-Box 360 level of performance!
http://androidencyclopedia.com/tag/intel-corporation/
No, they didn't. They easily noticed the lower quality of those displays. There were even several articles showing why PenTile displays were lower quality.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...and-hacks.ars/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/...-infuse-4g.ars
You can check a couple of links in these articles to read about PenTile displays, and another scientific breakdown of the quality relative to other displays. But no, it's not better, or even as good. It's worse.