Gruber's a flaming clown, but he's often quite right on Apple/Mac issues. I think he's correct here: Apple's 'cloud' is designed mainly to replace the role your computer & iTunes play in regard to your iOS device.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
You nailed him. On both counts.
I don't get this. It seems to come up a lot-- that Gruber is right about stuff but he's a "clown."
Why? I read him all the time, he's generally pretty analytical. He has a weakness for pointing out some of the really bad prognostication tech pundits do around Apple and the industry, but I don't see why he's a clown.
All Apple mobile devices should have gotten wireless charging already. It'll come eventually, but the sooner the better.
Really? Why?
Is it too difficult for you to plug in a charging cable? In it's current form inductive charging is inefficient so Apple are unlikely to choose it at this time as it's not green enough.
Which data? My contacts? photos? banking info notes? ... Why worry about Google scandals or Bush/bama snooping: just turn it all over to a corporation ???!!!! WTH IS WRONG WITH US ???!!!!
WHY ARE WE NOT OUTRAGED ?????!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by magicj
Yay!
Finally someone has figured out how to solve the hassle of having all my data, songs, apps, books, and movies available with me at all times and replaced it with the convienence of downloading it all over and over again over slow public wi-fi!
And for just $25.00 per year I will be able to listen to music I've already paid for whenever I want (after I download it over said slow public wi-fi)! That's lightyears ahead of what I'm forced to do now: listen to it instantly for free.
And Apple's policy of not telling their customers when someone steals their data from their servers is just the cherry on top!
This is the same guy who began all of that ridiculous retina display nonsense for the iPad. By tomorrow, we'll all know the real deal straight from Steve Job's mouth.
If iCloud turns out to be some great thing where anybody can access their entire music/video libraries and more from all of their devices, then suddenly my 16 GB iPad2 doesn't feel so cramped for space anymore.
Could this actually hurt Apple hardware sales or at least affect them slightly? If people can store everything in the cloud and have quick access to their files and massive libraries, then fewer people would opt to buy the most expensive devices with more memory in them. Why store thousands of songs or a ton of videos on a device that costs more, when you can just get the cheaper device and have all of your media on the cloud with easy and fast access to it.
...I think I get it. It's all about going Back to the Mac. Making Mac OS X more like iOS.
With iCloud taking care of all the sync functions what is iTunes for? iTunes sole purpose is to purchase/rent media. It's soley a digital music store, more like iTunes in iOS. A single purpose app made for purchasing content.
Let's take this logic one step further. Front Row is now gone. Could it be replaced with an iPod app, again like iOS. An app that would allow you to manage, and consume media in iOS.
So the process becomes exactly the same on both Operating Systems.
Example: On your Mac, you buy a song in iTunes, listen to in the iPod app. Now you head out for a jog, pick up your iPhone and "magically" have your newly purchased song in the iPod app on your iPhone.
The process works exactly the same in both directions. Im not sure how well this would work on windows? But I'd imagine that iTunes in it's current form would still work.
The App Store in Mac OS is a clear indicator of what iTunes could look like as a stand alone store. And funtionally it would be incredibly similar to how the App Store and iTunes work in iOS today.
Just a small addition to my previous post. iWork was just released for iOS making it available for every Apple device.
Think of the possibilities.. Creating a document in iOS on a train. Finishing it up at home your Mac. Having colleague's view and comment on the document in iWork.com (unless that's rolled into iCloud, likely) Getting back to work and printing it from iCloud.com
This is the kind of the reason "The Cloud" makes everything better.
Its all about having the same apps in Mac OS and iOS, and having the iCloud in between them to keep everything organized.
I don't get this. It seems to come up a lot-- that Gruber is right about stuff but he's a "clown."
Why? I read him all the time, he's generally pretty analytical. He has a weakness for pointing out some of the really bad prognostication tech pundits do around Apple and the industry, but I don't see why he's a clown.
Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I wasn't understanding where the Gruber vitriol was coming from. Can anyone comment?
I'm personally seeing a tighter integration of media.
Right now, we have this slightly clunky system where to play music, you have to open the iTunes application. Want to stream to your AppleTV? Well you gotta open iTunes and let it sit there, not doing anything but serving your apps. I see that going. I see the Media Controls, like a constantly running iTunes and the only thing you bring up is an OS window to access the controls and view the Store. It will all snyc with iCloud right built in.
Gruber's a flaming clown, but he's often quite right on Apple/Mac issues.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
You nailed him. On both counts.
Agreed. But he makes a good living being the supreme Apple fanboy. He's accurate because he makes sporadic predictions, and only when he gets a real tip from true insiders. Goes way too far in flaming those who say even one bad word against Apple. Even called Page, Schmidt, Rubin and Brin f***ing ass****s because Android is not truly open. His act is tiring, frankly.
So do I, if they can execute it well but that's a big "IF".
Execution worries me too... iDisk has never performed very well, and didn't their main data centre genius quit recently? But on the other hand iTunes Store is pretty reliable. But sometimes you rent a movie and it takes hours to download, and sometimes only 10 minutes, which is weird. Anyway I am excited to see what iCloud is and really hope it works out for them. Just to be clear, server side is the *only* place I sometimes doubt Apple's ability to execute, or at least, don't take it for granted.
The iTunes desktop software (Mac or PC) is the worst part of being an iOS user in my opinion.
All apps are saturated by its hosting OS, and platform app culture. I don't think Lion will change that as drastic for Macs as iOS has done for mobile computing. Therefore the next iTunes/Cloud will probably look and behave like the current iTunes. Boring, I guess.
Its cloud functionality though will be very interesting to follow, and hopefully syncing will become an issue of the past.
And the ever growing media storage will perhaps soon also become an issue of the past.
There's a world of difference between a "policy of not telling their customers when someone steals their data" and "No policy of telling customers when their data is stolen."
The first is: yeah, we're dicks?even though we know customer data has been stolen, we have a policy in place not to inform the customer when that has happened.
The second is: sorry, we have not yet put together a policy of informing customers when their data has been stolen.
Dude, there's no policy of telling customers when their data gets stolen. No policy means you won't get told.
I am personally satisfied with iTunes. Not great but not that bad. Cannot name a single client app that better handles a huge library of media. The fact that it is becoming too big has to do with nature of the app itself. This may be why they didn't integrate iBooks into it. But that's a shame. Without books available on iTunes and available only on iOS, iBooks cannot compete with Kindle. With Amazon Kindle, I buy the book once and can read on multiple platforms. Sweet. Perhaps iCloud can fix that too.
Apple wouldn't be this stupid to take EVERYTHING to the cloud.
Yes they would.
Back in '97 Steve Jobs went on and on and on about how great it was to have your home directory on the server instead of the local computer (a common setup for UNIX boxes in a corporate environment). He liked it so much he even had T1 installed in house so he could log into his work stuff from home.
If they could get T1 speeds, iCloud would be a marginally useful idea, although much less so than in '97 because the devices today are easily portable and already have all your data on them.
But if you're limited to public wi-fi or expensive data plans, it's a bust.
This cloud feature is already in a lot of apps on the iPad and iPhone. I can already download apps, books, movies, etc, that I've previously purchased anytime I want. Because of bandwidth restrictions, it turns out the only time I want to is when I'm home connected to my computer's decent wi-fi. Similarly, I can already use Google Docs to have my documents available whenever I want. I don't use Google Docs because I just don't need that functionality.
El Steveo just as the hots for the cloud. Hopefully this will get it out of his system and we can move on to more useful things.
Since they don't tell anyone when it gets stolen, there are no examples to point to.
Do you really think that implies their servers can't be broken into?
Now you're getting into dangerous conspiracy theory territory. As in, "the reason we have no evidence of alien visits is because the government has been hiding THE TRUTH from us!!"
I'm not saying that Apple is impervious to attack, or that data has not been stolen from their servers. But it's impossible to prove a negative. In other words, it's impossible for Apple to prove that they've never been hacked, just like it's impossible for you to prove that you've never killed someone. That's why most modern societies have adopted the "presumed innocent" policy. Of course, it's important to be cautious and be careful with your personal data, but it's presumptuous to suspect them of malfeasance without either evidence (heck even anecdotal evidence!) or probable cause. If Apple had a notorious history of playing fast and loose w/ people's personal data (like Google and Facebook have), then I would say you're justified in being suspicious of Apple in the present. But historically, Apple (IMHO) has been a pretty good steward of their customers' personal information and data.
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Gruber's a flaming clown, but he's often quite right on Apple/Mac issues. I think he's correct here: Apple's 'cloud' is designed mainly to replace the role your computer & iTunes play in regard to your iOS device.
You nailed him. On both counts.
I don't get this. It seems to come up a lot-- that Gruber is right about stuff but he's a "clown."
Why? I read him all the time, he's generally pretty analytical. He has a weakness for pointing out some of the really bad prognostication tech pundits do around Apple and the industry, but I don't see why he's a clown.
All Apple mobile devices should have gotten wireless charging already. It'll come eventually, but the sooner the better.
Really? Why?
Is it too difficult for you to plug in a charging cable? In it's current form inductive charging is inefficient so Apple are unlikely to choose it at this time as it's not green enough.
WHY ARE WE NOT OUTRAGED ?????!!!!!!
Yay!
Finally someone has figured out how to solve the hassle of having all my data, songs, apps, books, and movies available with me at all times and replaced it with the convienence of downloading it all over and over again over slow public wi-fi!
And for just $25.00 per year I will be able to listen to music I've already paid for whenever I want (after I download it over said slow public wi-fi)! That's lightyears ahead of what I'm forced to do now: listen to it instantly for free.
And Apple's policy of not telling their customers when someone steals their data from their servers is just the cherry on top!
If iCloud turns out to be some great thing where anybody can access their entire music/video libraries and more from all of their devices, then suddenly my 16 GB iPad2 doesn't feel so cramped for space anymore.
Could this actually hurt Apple hardware sales or at least affect them slightly? If people can store everything in the cloud and have quick access to their files and massive libraries, then fewer people would opt to buy the most expensive devices with more memory in them. Why store thousands of songs or a ton of videos on a device that costs more, when you can just get the cheaper device and have all of your media on the cloud with easy and fast access to it.
With iCloud taking care of all the sync functions what is iTunes for? iTunes sole purpose is to purchase/rent media. It's soley a digital music store, more like iTunes in iOS. A single purpose app made for purchasing content.
Let's take this logic one step further. Front Row is now gone. Could it be replaced with an iPod app, again like iOS. An app that would allow you to manage, and consume media in iOS.
So the process becomes exactly the same on both Operating Systems.
Example: On your Mac, you buy a song in iTunes, listen to in the iPod app. Now you head out for a jog, pick up your iPhone and "magically" have your newly purchased song in the iPod app on your iPhone.
The process works exactly the same in both directions. Im not sure how well this would work on windows? But I'd imagine that iTunes in it's current form would still work.
The App Store in Mac OS is a clear indicator of what iTunes could look like as a stand alone store. And funtionally it would be incredibly similar to how the App Store and iTunes work in iOS today.
Think of the possibilities.. Creating a document in iOS on a train. Finishing it up at home your Mac. Having colleague's view and comment on the document in iWork.com (unless that's rolled into iCloud, likely) Getting back to work and printing it from iCloud.com
This is the kind of the reason "The Cloud" makes everything better.
Its all about having the same apps in Mac OS and iOS, and having the iCloud in between them to keep everything organized.
I don't get this. It seems to come up a lot-- that Gruber is right about stuff but he's a "clown."
Why? I read him all the time, he's generally pretty analytical. He has a weakness for pointing out some of the really bad prognostication tech pundits do around Apple and the industry, but I don't see why he's a clown.
Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I wasn't understanding where the Gruber vitriol was coming from. Can anyone comment?
Right now, we have this slightly clunky system where to play music, you have to open the iTunes application. Want to stream to your AppleTV? Well you gotta open iTunes and let it sit there, not doing anything but serving your apps. I see that going. I see the Media Controls, like a constantly running iTunes and the only thing you bring up is an OS window to access the controls and view the Store. It will all snyc with iCloud right built in.
So do I, if they can execute it well but that's a big "IF".
It appears to be a billion-dollar "IF".
Gruber's a flaming clown, but he's often quite right on Apple/Mac issues.
You nailed him. On both counts.
Agreed. But he makes a good living being the supreme Apple fanboy. He's accurate because he makes sporadic predictions, and only when he gets a real tip from true insiders. Goes way too far in flaming those who say even one bad word against Apple. Even called Page, Schmidt, Rubin and Brin f***ing ass****s because Android is not truly open. His act is tiring, frankly.
Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I wasn't understanding where the Gruber vitriol was coming from. Can anyone comment?
3/4 of Daringfireball posts are links to other people's articles, with two sentences added, if at all. Gruber is coasting.
So do I, if they can execute it well but that's a big "IF".
Execution worries me too... iDisk has never performed very well, and didn't their main data centre genius quit recently? But on the other hand iTunes Store is pretty reliable. But sometimes you rent a movie and it takes hours to download, and sometimes only 10 minutes, which is weird. Anyway I am excited to see what iCloud is and really hope it works out for them. Just to be clear, server side is the *only* place I sometimes doubt Apple's ability to execute, or at least, don't take it for granted.
The iTunes desktop software (Mac or PC) is the worst part of being an iOS user in my opinion.
All apps are saturated by its hosting OS, and platform app culture. I don't think Lion will change that as drastic for Macs as iOS has done for mobile computing. Therefore the next iTunes/Cloud will probably look and behave like the current iTunes. Boring, I guess.
Its cloud functionality though will be very interesting to follow, and hopefully syncing will become an issue of the past.
And the ever growing media storage will perhaps soon also become an issue of the past.
Care to point to one example where Apple has had customer data stolen from its servers?
Since they don't tell anyone when it gets stolen, there are no examples to point to.
Do you really think that implies their servers can't be broken into?
There's a world of difference between a "policy of not telling their customers when someone steals their data" and "No policy of telling customers when their data is stolen."
The first is: yeah, we're dicks?even though we know customer data has been stolen, we have a policy in place not to inform the customer when that has happened.
The second is: sorry, we have not yet put together a policy of informing customers when their data has been stolen.
Dude, there's no policy of telling customers when their data gets stolen. No policy means you won't get told.
3/4 of Daringfireball posts are links to other people's articles, with two sentences added, if at all. Gruber is coasting.
I hear you on that. But then, are we just envious because the man is making an easy living?
Apple wouldn't be this stupid to take EVERYTHING to the cloud.
Yes they would.
Back in '97 Steve Jobs went on and on and on about how great it was to have your home directory on the server instead of the local computer (a common setup for UNIX boxes in a corporate environment). He liked it so much he even had T1 installed in house so he could log into his work stuff from home.
If they could get T1 speeds, iCloud would be a marginally useful idea, although much less so than in '97 because the devices today are easily portable and already have all your data on them.
But if you're limited to public wi-fi or expensive data plans, it's a bust.
This cloud feature is already in a lot of apps on the iPad and iPhone. I can already download apps, books, movies, etc, that I've previously purchased anytime I want. Because of bandwidth restrictions, it turns out the only time I want to is when I'm home connected to my computer's decent wi-fi. Similarly, I can already use Google Docs to have my documents available whenever I want. I don't use Google Docs because I just don't need that functionality.
El Steveo just as the hots for the cloud. Hopefully this will get it out of his system and we can move on to more useful things.
Since they don't tell anyone when it gets stolen, there are no examples to point to.
Do you really think that implies their servers can't be broken into?
Now you're getting into dangerous conspiracy theory territory. As in, "the reason we have no evidence of alien visits is because the government has been hiding THE TRUTH from us!!"
I'm not saying that Apple is impervious to attack, or that data has not been stolen from their servers. But it's impossible to prove a negative. In other words, it's impossible for Apple to prove that they've never been hacked, just like it's impossible for you to prove that you've never killed someone. That's why most modern societies have adopted the "presumed innocent" policy. Of course, it's important to be cautious and be careful with your personal data, but it's presumptuous to suspect them of malfeasance without either evidence (heck even anecdotal evidence!) or probable cause. If Apple had a notorious history of playing fast and loose w/ people's personal data (like Google and Facebook have), then I would say you're justified in being suspicious of Apple in the present. But historically, Apple (IMHO) has been a pretty good steward of their customers' personal information and data.
I hear you on that. But then, are we just envious because the man is making an easy living?
I'm envious of anyone who makes an easy living.