The 4S has the A5 chip and iOS5... so I think the next phone will be the iPhone 5S with the A5 and iOS5 updated but with totally new hardware design... and then the iPhone 6 with the A6 and iOS 6.
No, the next new iPhone and next new iPad will both use A6. How do I know? I don't, but that is a reasonable educated guess, based on historical trends.
ACTech's talking points are so cliché and silly that I expected to see an irony mark or some indication of him having a laugh.
I think it was merely a fandroid who stumbled upon AI, and didn't know that the accumulated knowledge here would trump everything he has written, and he didn't bother to read a little bit before making such a post.
So many real-world comparisons have been done between the latest droids and iphones that anyone who takes the time to do so, will see the Wizard of Droid for all the hucksterism he represents, and ask Toto to remove the curtain.
I guess will be in the minority according to Piper. My wife and I both have the 3gs and are out of contract with att. We will be sticking to the 3gs for the time being. I am not willing to pay over $300 (16gb phone, +cali tax on full price + activation) each for a phone that is a place holder. Siri sou8nds cool but I have gotten by without it all along. Faster processor sure would be nice but I am not doing super computing on this time. So will not be one of these sheep upgrading because apple tells us to. I will either wait till the 5 comes out next summer or if IOS 5 makes my 3gs work like crap then I will look at the prime or s2. why lock myself into another 2yr commitment when my phone works fine now and the 4s will be obsolete in less than a yr if not sooner.
No, the next new iPhone and next new iPad will both use A6. How do I know? I don't, but that is a reasonable educated guess, based on historical trends.
I thought we were breaking from historical trends...
I thought we were breaking from historical trends...
With the iPhone 4S, it seems that Apple didn't really do anything out of the ordinary and the people who were whining about a brand new iPhone 5 were the ones who should have paid more attention to Apple's past releases and the schedule that they're on.
2012 - March/April/May - - Ipad 3 gets released with brand new A6 chip
2012 - Sept/Oct/Nov - Iphone 5 (or whatever they call it) gets released with underclocked A6 chip
With the iPhone 4S, it seems that Apple didn't really do anything out of the ordinary and the people who were whining about a brand new iPhone 5 were the ones who should have paid more attention to Apple's past releases and the schedule that they're on.
2012 - March/April/May - - Ipad 3 gets released with brand new A6 chip
2012 - Sept/Oct/Nov - Iphone 5 (or whatever they call it) gets released with underclocked A6 chip
Which is why I thought they might stick with the A5 or updated A5 for the iPhone but go to the A6 for the iPad.
I guess will be in the minority according to Piper. My wife and I both have the 3gs and are out of contract with att. We will be sticking to the 3gs for the time being. I am not willing to pay over $300 (16gb phone, +cali tax on full price + activation) each for a phone that is a place holder. Siri sou8nds cool but I have gotten by without it all along. Faster processor sure would be nice but I am not doing super computing on this time. So will not be one of these sheep upgrading because apple tells us to. I will either wait till the 5 comes out next summer or if IOS 5 makes my 3gs work like crap then I will look at the prime or s2. why lock myself into another 2yr commitment when my phone works fine now and the 4s will be obsolete in less than a yr if not sooner.
3GS is a great phone, I have no doubt they will continue to perform well until Fall 2012. There is no compelling reason to believe a new iPhone will come out before then. The most popular phone for September on Verizon and ATT was the iPhone 4. There is nothing dated about the physical design and everything else is a great upgrade.
No, the next new iPhone and next new iPad will both use A6. How do I know? I don't, but that is a reasonable educated guess, based on historical trends.
We actually know it since Apple have done trial runs with 28nm A6 at TSMC.
Apple got back test wafers june/july.
An educated guess is Quodcore ARM15 with PowerVR 6.
We actually know it since Apple have done trial runs with 28nm A6 at TSMC.
Apple got back test wafers june/july.
An educated guess is Quodcore ARM15 with PowerVR 6.
Oh... I know Apple will have the A6 ready for iPad 3 but whether or not they will use it in the next iPhone is still in question for me. It's that battery thing... Apple likes to have great battery life. Even moving the standby time down to 200 from 300 in the 4S is getting some press. Wouldn't the A6 cut into battery life even more?
I guess will be in the minority according to Piper. My wife and I both have the 3gs and are out of contract with att. We will be sticking to the 3gs for the time being. I am not willing to pay over $300 (16gb phone, +cali tax on full price + activation) each for a phone that is a place holder. Siri sou8nds cool but I have gotten by without it all along. Faster processor sure would be nice but I am not doing super computing on this time. So will not be one of these sheep upgrading because apple tells us to.
So far so good. Why spend all that money to upgrade if your current phone does what you want and you are happy...
Except, why the complaint about Apple telling sheep what to do? They offered a new choice for those who want it, but they are still selling the iP4 and even the iP3GS, so clearly they aren't telling people they have to get the newest model...
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I will either wait till the 5 comes out next summer or if IOS 5 makes my 3gs work like crap then I will look at the prime or s2. why lock myself into another 2yr commitment when my phone works fine now and the 4s will be obsolete in less than a yr if not sooner.
Now you are just making no sense. You are happy with the 3GS and are not doing "supercomputing" but the 4S isn't good enough for you? You are worried about the 4S quickly becoming "obsolete" but yet you are happy using a 2 year old phone now??
And to top it off, you conclude that you may have to switch to Android! Talk about quickly becoming obsolete! How many two year old Android phones are still in high demand and capable of running the latest updated OS?
3GS is a great phone, I have no doubt they will continue to perform well until Fall 2012. There is no compelling reason to believe a new iPhone will come out before then. The most popular phone for September on Verizon and ATT was the iPhone 4. There is nothing dated about the physical design and everything else is a great upgrade.
I am happy with the decision to upgrade mine.
The Iphone5 design is probably finished. The reason why it was not released is that the 4G chip from Qualcomm needs to be 28nm to not draw more battery then todays 3G chips. 28nm manufacturing was supposed to be ready by now, but TSMC and other foundries are late. Revenue manufacturing of 28nm will ramp up Q1 next year with A6.
Apple could diversify ifs iPhone portfolio by calling it iPhone AIr since it will have a larger screen.
I would not be surprised if Apple released it late Q1.
(the case designs for the larger iPhone are from supposed iPhone 5 prototypes. This is the first time that case makers have not been right. There are 3 different sources for the teardrop iPhone 5, so its probably real)
Apple will try to stop the iPhone 5 rumor since the stupid Ipad2 HD/Ipad 3 rumor hurt Apples sales last couple of month. Those rumors where stupid since A6 can't be manufactured.
I had sold at $420 a few weeks back and bought back in at $355. I'm a happy camper.
Showoff!
I was one click away from selling at $420. I've always been long on Apple, but I figured it was due for a sell-off... Sigh, I guess I'm just an investor and not a trader... Pity!
The Iphone5 design is probably finished. The reason why it was not released is that the 4G chip from Qualcomm needs to be 28nm to not draw more battery then todays 3G chips.
... and that answers my question about battery life.
Yet another meaningless survey with seemingly zero validity and reliability. <sigh>
The only thing they get right is the Apple Effect.
The reason why Apple is growing so fast is that Apples customers are happy with Apple products. The retention rate is almost 100%.
That means that every Apple customer upgrade their phone/computer every 12-48 month.
This puts Apple at the unique position that they only need to convince a couple of percent to switch to Apple products each year and Apple will continue with its mad growth.
No computer manufacture or Android phone maker have this effect. Android phone owner looks at the best/cheapest Android. Not what brand the phone have.
On one hand, it seems that we're stuck in a bad version of the 2-year contract/upgrade cycle.
On the other hand, we incremental upgraders do enjoy the advantage of the bug fixes and other enhancements of the incremental upgrade. 1.0 may be revolutionary, but 1.1 tends to work better.
My wife and I were one of the people that waited for the IPhone announcement and got very dissapointed. We were expecting the new IPhone 5 since the IPhone 4 has been showing its age for some time.
After 10 years of owning all Apple technology, we switched to the Samsung SII, and we are more than happy with it. Most our Apple apps were already in the Android store from the same companies and were able to even transfer all the app information. i.e. contacts, passwords, music, etc.
Sorry Apple, but Apple needs to wake up and release better technology than the competition or is going to lose their Apple technology fans, like us. I am not going to brag about our new phones, but overall they are way superior in hardware/OS and usability than our old IPhone 4's.
I hope Apple comes back with better technology, because innovation is the way to beat the competition. But until then, we will go with the better technology.
Funny thing is that we would never have tested the new S2's if Apple would not have sued Samsung. If they are not carefull Apple can lose the market edge beginning this Christmas.
Apple needs to add SD cards to their phones so that one can just install 32 GB or 64 GB cards and switch them when one needs more space. IPhones need to have removable batteries, so that in 10 seconds or less you can replace the battery and get 8 more hours of work without having stupid charging contraptions. Apple needs to have OLED bright displays (no angle viewing issues) which is the best display technology. The OS has to change many annoying issues. i.e. killing the apps have to be done one by one and you have to enter the akward mode to do it. A bigger screen is needed. Small screens are hard to see and hard to type. Apple needs to improve their blue tooth devices, too. The Apple bluetooth does not have signal control and it has a low signal power, so when playing music in the car or home, it does not sound very good because one has to increase the amplifier volume, which increases the noise. In contrast, other phones have signal control and you can just raise the signal level for a rich music play at lower volumes. Storing files is awkard and needs to be improved. There needs to be a common place to store files that all applications can access. It is bad to have each application ahve a copy of a file because they cannot share files. There needs to be an easy way to exit an application or putting it in the background like in other devices.
Hopefully Apple will hear some of it's fans and ex-fans requests and will improve their devices...
Translation: "I'm a concerned 'apple fan', but apple need to copy samsung to stay in the game. Everything they did is wrong. I was so disappointed with the iPhone 4S that I couldn't wait to get out of my contract and switch to samsung. P.S., I do not work for samsung... I'm just a 10 year apple fan with absolutely nothing positive to say about apple, just negative shit my employer samsung made up for me to say, oh wait did I say samsung, I mean not-samsung."
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The 4S has the A5 chip and iOS5... so I think the next phone will be the iPhone 5S with the A5 and iOS5 updated but with totally new hardware design... and then the iPhone 6 with the A6 and iOS 6.
No, the next new iPhone and next new iPad will both use A6. How do I know? I don't, but that is a reasonable educated guess, based on historical trends.
ACTech's talking points are so cliché and silly that I expected to see an irony mark or some indication of him having a laugh.
I think it was merely a fandroid who stumbled upon AI, and didn't know that the accumulated knowledge here would trump everything he has written, and he didn't bother to read a little bit before making such a post.
So many real-world comparisons have been done between the latest droids and iphones that anyone who takes the time to do so, will see the Wizard of Droid for all the hucksterism he represents, and ask Toto to remove the curtain.
No, the next new iPhone and next new iPad will both use A6. How do I know? I don't, but that is a reasonable educated guess, based on historical trends.
I thought we were breaking from historical trends...
I thought we were breaking from historical trends...
With the iPhone 4S, it seems that Apple didn't really do anything out of the ordinary and the people who were whining about a brand new iPhone 5 were the ones who should have paid more attention to Apple's past releases and the schedule that they're on.
2012 - March/April/May - - Ipad 3 gets released with brand new A6 chip
2012 - Sept/Oct/Nov - Iphone 5 (or whatever they call it) gets released with underclocked A6 chip
With the iPhone 4S, it seems that Apple didn't really do anything out of the ordinary and the people who were whining about a brand new iPhone 5 were the ones who should have paid more attention to Apple's past releases and the schedule that they're on.
2012 - March/April/May - - Ipad 3 gets released with brand new A6 chip
2012 - Sept/Oct/Nov - Iphone 5 (or whatever they call it) gets released with underclocked A6 chip
Which is why I thought they might stick with the A5 or updated A5 for the iPhone but go to the A6 for the iPad.
Which is why I thought they might stick with the A5 or updated A5 for the iPhone but go to the A6 for the iPad.
But the iPhone 5 will be released later than the iPad 3. It would make sense that the A6 in the iPad 3 will also be found in the iPhone 5.
But the iPhone 5 will be released later than the iPad 3. It would make sense that the A6 in the iPad 3 will also be found in the iPhone 5.
LOL! Didn't someone predict that we'd start doing this soon after the iPhone launch.
I'm just curious.
What motivated you to remove the capitalization from my response when you quoted it?
Capitalization has real functions: it notifies the reader of a new sentence and also highlights proper names. I put it there for a reason.
He seems to have an odd aversion to capital letters.
I guess will be in the minority according to Piper. My wife and I both have the 3gs and are out of contract with att. We will be sticking to the 3gs for the time being. I am not willing to pay over $300 (16gb phone, +cali tax on full price + activation) each for a phone that is a place holder. Siri sou8nds cool but I have gotten by without it all along. Faster processor sure would be nice but I am not doing super computing on this time. So will not be one of these sheep upgrading because apple tells us to. I will either wait till the 5 comes out next summer or if IOS 5 makes my 3gs work like crap then I will look at the prime or s2. why lock myself into another 2yr commitment when my phone works fine now and the 4s will be obsolete in less than a yr if not sooner.
3GS is a great phone, I have no doubt they will continue to perform well until Fall 2012. There is no compelling reason to believe a new iPhone will come out before then. The most popular phone for September on Verizon and ATT was the iPhone 4. There is nothing dated about the physical design and everything else is a great upgrade.
I am happy with the decision to upgrade mine.
No, the next new iPhone and next new iPad will both use A6. How do I know? I don't, but that is a reasonable educated guess, based on historical trends.
We actually know it since Apple have done trial runs with 28nm A6 at TSMC.
Apple got back test wafers june/july.
An educated guess is Quodcore ARM15 with PowerVR 6.
We actually know it since Apple have done trial runs with 28nm A6 at TSMC.
Apple got back test wafers june/july.
An educated guess is Quodcore ARM15 with PowerVR 6.
Oh... I know Apple will have the A6 ready for iPad 3 but whether or not they will use it in the next iPhone is still in question for me. It's that battery thing... Apple likes to have great battery life. Even moving the standby time down to 200 from 300 in the 4S is getting some press. Wouldn't the A6 cut into battery life even more?
I guess will be in the minority according to Piper. My wife and I both have the 3gs and are out of contract with att. We will be sticking to the 3gs for the time being. I am not willing to pay over $300 (16gb phone, +cali tax on full price + activation) each for a phone that is a place holder. Siri sou8nds cool but I have gotten by without it all along. Faster processor sure would be nice but I am not doing super computing on this time. So will not be one of these sheep upgrading because apple tells us to.
So far so good. Why spend all that money to upgrade if your current phone does what you want and you are happy...
Except, why the complaint about Apple telling sheep what to do? They offered a new choice for those who want it, but they are still selling the iP4 and even the iP3GS, so clearly they aren't telling people they have to get the newest model...
I will either wait till the 5 comes out next summer or if IOS 5 makes my 3gs work like crap then I will look at the prime or s2. why lock myself into another 2yr commitment when my phone works fine now and the 4s will be obsolete in less than a yr if not sooner.
Now you are just making no sense. You are happy with the 3GS and are not doing "supercomputing" but the 4S isn't good enough for you? You are worried about the 4S quickly becoming "obsolete" but yet you are happy using a 2 year old phone now??
And to top it off, you conclude that you may have to switch to Android!
3GS is a great phone, I have no doubt they will continue to perform well until Fall 2012. There is no compelling reason to believe a new iPhone will come out before then. The most popular phone for September on Verizon and ATT was the iPhone 4. There is nothing dated about the physical design and everything else is a great upgrade.
I am happy with the decision to upgrade mine.
The Iphone5 design is probably finished. The reason why it was not released is that the 4G chip from Qualcomm needs to be 28nm to not draw more battery then todays 3G chips. 28nm manufacturing was supposed to be ready by now, but TSMC and other foundries are late. Revenue manufacturing of 28nm will ramp up Q1 next year with A6.
Apple could diversify ifs iPhone portfolio by calling it iPhone AIr since it will have a larger screen.
I would not be surprised if Apple released it late Q1.
(the case designs for the larger iPhone are from supposed iPhone 5 prototypes. This is the first time that case makers have not been right. There are 3 different sources for the teardrop iPhone 5, so its probably real)
Apple will try to stop the iPhone 5 rumor since the stupid Ipad2 HD/Ipad 3 rumor hurt Apples sales last couple of month. Those rumors where stupid since A6 can't be manufactured.
I had sold at $420 a few weeks back and bought back in at $355. I'm a happy camper.
Showoff!
I was one click away from selling at $420. I've always been long on Apple, but I figured it was due for a sell-off... Sigh, I guess I'm just an investor and not a trader... Pity!
The Iphone5 design is probably finished. The reason why it was not released is that the 4G chip from Qualcomm needs to be 28nm to not draw more battery then todays 3G chips.
... and that answers my question about battery life.
But the iPhone 5 will be released later than the iPad 3. It would make sense that the A6 in the iPad 3 will also be found in the iPhone 5.
The iPhone4 /Iphone 5 was released later then Ipad2 because of iOS. Software is the iPhone, not hardware.
iOS 5 was 3-4 month late witch is the reason why iPhone was delayed.
Will this happen next year? Will Apple be able to get iOS 6 back on track?
Do Apple need Ios6 in the next iPhone? I don't believe that. That means that Apple technically can release the teardrop iPhone 1-2 month after Ipad3.
Yet another meaningless survey with seemingly zero validity and reliability. <sigh>
The only thing they get right is the Apple Effect.
The reason why Apple is growing so fast is that Apples customers are happy with Apple products. The retention rate is almost 100%.
That means that every Apple customer upgrade their phone/computer every 12-48 month.
This puts Apple at the unique position that they only need to convince a couple of percent to switch to Apple products each year and Apple will continue with its mad growth.
No computer manufacture or Android phone maker have this effect. Android phone owner looks at the best/cheapest Android. Not what brand the phone have.
On the other hand, we incremental upgraders do enjoy the advantage of the bug fixes and other enhancements of the incremental upgrade. 1.0 may be revolutionary, but 1.1 tends to work better.
My wife and I were one of the people that waited for the IPhone announcement and got very dissapointed. We were expecting the new IPhone 5 since the IPhone 4 has been showing its age for some time.
After 10 years of owning all Apple technology, we switched to the Samsung SII, and we are more than happy with it. Most our Apple apps were already in the Android store from the same companies and were able to even transfer all the app information. i.e. contacts, passwords, music, etc.
Sorry Apple, but Apple needs to wake up and release better technology than the competition or is going to lose their Apple technology fans, like us. I am not going to brag about our new phones, but overall they are way superior in hardware/OS and usability than our old IPhone 4's.
I hope Apple comes back with better technology, because innovation is the way to beat the competition. But until then, we will go with the better technology.
Funny thing is that we would never have tested the new S2's if Apple would not have sued Samsung. If they are not carefull Apple can lose the market edge beginning this Christmas.
Apple needs to add SD cards to their phones so that one can just install 32 GB or 64 GB cards and switch them when one needs more space. IPhones need to have removable batteries, so that in 10 seconds or less you can replace the battery and get 8 more hours of work without having stupid charging contraptions. Apple needs to have OLED bright displays (no angle viewing issues) which is the best display technology. The OS has to change many annoying issues. i.e. killing the apps have to be done one by one and you have to enter the akward mode to do it. A bigger screen is needed. Small screens are hard to see and hard to type. Apple needs to improve their blue tooth devices, too. The Apple bluetooth does not have signal control and it has a low signal power, so when playing music in the car or home, it does not sound very good because one has to increase the amplifier volume, which increases the noise. In contrast, other phones have signal control and you can just raise the signal level for a rich music play at lower volumes. Storing files is awkard and needs to be improved. There needs to be a common place to store files that all applications can access. It is bad to have each application ahve a copy of a file because they cannot share files. There needs to be an easy way to exit an application or putting it in the background like in other devices.
Hopefully Apple will hear some of it's fans and ex-fans requests and will improve their devices...
Translation: "I'm a concerned 'apple fan', but apple need to copy samsung to stay in the game. Everything they did is wrong. I was so disappointed with the iPhone 4S that I couldn't wait to get out of my contract and switch to samsung. P.S., I do not work for samsung... I'm just a 10 year apple fan with absolutely nothing positive to say about apple, just negative shit my employer samsung made up for me to say, oh wait did I say samsung, I mean not-samsung."
You're not fooling anyone.