Sony launches PlayStation Vita handheld to reclaim mobile gaming

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  • Reply 181 of 223
    tipootipoo Posts: 1,155member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nonimus View Post


    I think the iPad 3 will share a similar CPU/GPU



    4 core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore

    4 core SGX543MP4+



    Though, I'd wish the iPad 3 would instead have a dual-core Cortex-A15, plus a PowerVR SGX600 (Rogue) series which are reported to be faster and use less power.



    http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/20/a...2012-quad-cor/

    http://www.electronista.com/articles...gx600.details/



    I imagine that will come in late 2012 - early 2013.







    The A5 rumors I heard were saying Rogue/600 series SGX chips. I wonder what will be faster, the quad core SGX543mp4 or the dual core variant of the 600 series. They promised some huge performance gains, but we'll see if that translates to real world.
  • Reply 182 of 223
    Please. Spare us the anti-American B.S. You know very well what the point was. No one needs to know how clever you are.







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post


    Your worldview is embarrassingly America-centric. You should get out and travel the world more often. You'll look less like a boorish Yank.



    Sony is headquartered in Japan. They often roll out new products in their home country first. Sony is thinking like Japanese.



    They don't celebrate Christmas there; the official state religion is Shinto. The 25th day of December is a regular day (except for this year, since it falls on a Sunday which is in fact normal day off for most Japanese workers).



    Yeah, yeah, some of the younger Japanese couples trade extravagent presents as Western consumer practices extend their cultural hegemony over the world, but it's really no long-standing tradition of celebrating Christmas in Japan.



    And guess what? They don't celebrate Thanksgiving either!







    Note that many U.S. gaming product launches have occurred at large trade shows like CES (January) or E3 (spring). Since the industry historically did not ship product the same day they announce, they would pre-announce to generate hype over the upcoming months.



    Apple has changed the game.



  • Reply 183 of 223
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    Originally Posted by wuchmee View Post


    Please. Spare us the anti-American B.S. You know very well what the point was. No one needs to know how clever you are.



    Yeah, admitting that there are other countries, with other values, is totally anti-American.



    I guess when people in other countries line up to buy something those sales don't count either, yeah?
  • Reply 184 of 223
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post


    Your worldview is embarrassingly America-centric. You should get out and travel the world more often. You'll look less like a boorish Yank.



    Sony is headquartered in Japan. They often roll out new products in their home country first. Sony is thinking like Japanese.



    They don't celebrate Christmas there; the official state religion is Shinto. The 25th day of December is a regular day (except for this year, since it falls on a Sunday which is in fact normal day off for most Japanese workers).



    Yeah, yeah, some of the younger Japanese couples trade extravagent presents as Western consumer practices extend their cultural hegemony over the world, but it's really no long-standing tradition of celebrating Christmas in Japan.



    And guess what? They don't celebrate Thanksgiving either!







    Note that many U.S. gaming product launches have occurred at large trade shows like CES (January) or E3 (spring). Since the industry historically did not ship product the same day they announce, they would pre-announce to generate hype over the upcoming months.



    Apple has changed the game.



    For a post trying to be so cosmopolitan you don't seem to have ever lived there. You are not particularly correct except on the thanksgiving part. That day is meaningless to them. Shinjuku and Harajuku during Christmas season sure convinced me you are off base about the commercial aspect of the holiday. Sure it's not a Christian-centric holiday there, but it is commercially viable and non-trivial.
  • Reply 185 of 223
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    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    For a post trying to be so cosmopolitan you don't seem to have ever lived there. You are not particularly correct except on the thanksgiving part. That day is meaningless to them. Shinjuku and Harajuku during Christmas season sure convinced me you are off base about the commercial aspect of the holiday. Sure it's not a Christian-centric holiday there, but it is commercially viable and non-trivial.



    Wait, so they celebrate Christmas, just not in a Christian way...



    ...because they don't celebrate christmas? O.o



    If they have a winter holiday that involves buying crap then that is not at all the same as observing christmas.



    I'm an atheist, and occasionally I buy things in the month of december. I don't, however, call it "celebrating christmas."
  • Reply 186 of 223
    1.) I'm able to have a 3DS, a PSP, a phone, and an iPad on me when traveling, I don't see what someone's obsession of one device is warranted.



    2.) The iPad has pretty much taken over video playback and web browsing from my psp and phone respectively. I still use an iPod for music play... simply because its more convenient for me.



    3.) The PSP Vita (and PSP) allow me to do something that you can't with anything else: play a psOne classic and sync between the PS3 and the PSP. And from what I hear this feature is going to be extended to PSP Vita games and PS3 titles.



    4.) You are correct the gaming industry's next big thing will be iOS games, specifically the "distract me now" variety. The market is high volume/low profit which means the games need to be churned out cheaply and quickly. I do think eventually what will happen is similar to the board game industry, you'll have some standard titles everyone downloads onto their phone and some variants... but actual development will become almost non existent save a few companies satisfying a niche market. High budget titles will become much more infrequent, and console systems will become extinct by the next generation, as will PC gaming (for the most part). There are more casual mobile phones on market then the total ps3/xbox360 base. This already happened for the most part in Japan, its why all their newer games outside of Nintendo have that moe look, the only audience of adult gamers left are hikikimori and otaku. This is also why Nintendo said Apple was the death of the game industry... mobile gaming already killed it in Japan.



    5.) Hardcore gaming is about time investment, not specifically the difficulty or titles you play. Myst for example is a hard game to play, but appeals to the casual market because there is no investment to play (beyond solving hard puzzles). While Dragon Quest is easy to think about but requires you to spend hours repeating battles over and over to gain levels so you can progress through the game.



    6. So why are you so happy? Thousands if not millions of college educated professionals are going to lose their jobs, and never get a new one (since app building doesn't need nearly as many programmers). An industry that may have been taken seriously like the movie industry from the academic and critic communities will instead be reduced to toys. And all those xbox and ps3 owners that enjoy big budget AAA titles will have to deal with becoming a niche market... more niche then mac owners were in the 90s. And with the economy the way it is... it might just collapse like it did in 1983. But hey you can in one device play Angry Birds and shoot an email telling Will Wright to get a job.
  • Reply 187 of 223
    http://us.playstation.com/psvita/games-and-media/



    As much as I'm very enthusiastic about Vita, I'm kinda worried about the list of the games
  • Reply 188 of 223
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    Originally Posted by bloodycelt View Post


    Above.



    I'm still mourning the death of the novel. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, in regard to refinement at least, and even in some senses specialization. You could get in a huge argument about what role the specialist plays in all of it (and there is a place for him,) but film, literature, games... when they are merely a source of income they appeal to the widest swathe of buyers first and foremost, meaning accessibility, meaning shallow and despicable; meaning Angry Birds instead of Halo, Vonnegut instead of Joyce, Michael Bay instead of Visconti.



    But only the sales numbers matter! Forget everything else, who sold the most steaming crap is all anyone here wants to know.
  • Reply 189 of 223
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    Originally Posted by DeanSolecki View Post


    I'm still mourning the death of the novel. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, in regard to refinement at least, and even in some senses specialization. You could get in a huge argument about what role the specialist plays in all of it (and there is a place for him,) but film, literature, games... when they are merely a source of income they appeal to the widest swathe of buyers first and foremost, meaning accessibility, meaning shallow and despicable; meaning Angry Birds instead of Halo, Vonnegut instead of Joyce, Michael Bay instead of Visconti.



    But only the sales numbers matter! Forget everything else, who sold the most steaming crap is all anyone here wants to know.




    Thank you for your considerable insight,

    I'm sure we are all more enlightened as a result.
  • Reply 190 of 223
    vandilvandil Posts: 187member
    I grew up as a console and handheld gamer (Atari 2600, NES, Gameboy, Genesis, Sega CD, SNES, Gameboy Color, Sega Saturn, PS1, PS2, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Advance SP, NDS, Game Cube, Wii, PS3, XBox 360)



    In late high school and in college, I got into PC gaming, first with FPS then MMORPGs.



    But as I live life as a post-collegiate, my iPhone and iPad satisfy my gaming needs for the most part. I never have time for consoles at all. It seems like the only time I have for gaming are little moments like waiting in a waiting room, sitting in a line, or when I'm riding shotgun in the car.



    I haven't even touched my NDS or GB systems in a long while. I still pack them, on trips, but my iPhone and iPad get way more love.



    Oh yeah, when I stopped console/PC gaming, I replaced all that time with running and lifting weights. I am in much better shape than I was in my couch/desk-rotting gaming years.



    Go outside and play Life.
  • Reply 191 of 223
    gongon Posts: 2,437member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vandil View Post


    Oh yeah, when I stopped console/PC gaming, I replaced all that time with running and lifting weights. I am in much better shape than I was in my couch/desk-rotting gaming years.



    Go outside and play Life.



    The implication that gaming and being fit/active are mutually exclusive is BS. Games are active intellectual entertainment whereas exercise is active physical entertainment. Statistically speaking, the time spent in either comes mainly out of watching TV. That is a good thing no matter what metrics are used. I recall research in my home country indicates gamers actually have more hobbies (outside gaming) and are more fit than non-gamers.
  • Reply 192 of 223
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bloodycelt View Post


    ...snip But hey you can in one device play Angry Birds and shoot an email telling Will Wright to get a job.



    You can also play games like Infinity Blade 2, Real Racing, Nova and lots of big name titles from big name publishers.



    These games are huge, well over a gigabyte in some cases requiring thousands of hours to program.



    Your doom and gloom scenario is not as glum as you try to make out.



    AirPlay with an Apple TV on a big screen using iPod Touch's, iPhone's and iPads as the controllers is the future.



    Don't underestimate just how powerful these interlinked devices can be, ARM based chips are undergoing explosive development and iOS is right there ready to take full advantage of whatever comes along with multithreading of processes built in, ready to advantage of whatever developers want to throw at it.
  • Reply 193 of 223
    gongon Posts: 2,437member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    AirPlay with an Apple TV on a big screen using iPod Touch's, iPhone's and iPads as the controllers is the future.



    The future equivalent of crappy Flash games, only the price of admission will go way up from the current $0.
    Quote:

    Don't underestimate just how powerful these interlinked devices can be, ARM based chips are undergoing explosive development and iOS is right there ready to take full advantage of whatever comes along with multithreading of processes built in, ready to advantage of whatever developers want to throw at it.



    And none of that matters at all because the control isn't there and the quality-conscious audience isn't there.
  • Reply 194 of 223
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Of course there are, but there are strategy games like chess that don't require any computing device and there intense first-person shooter games for consoles that I'd consider "hardcore". I'm not seeing how anyone can call themselves a "hardcore" gamer using a handheld device. If you want to call consoles monster trucks and the iPhone a Prius then a handheld console would be this?


    Prius Monster Truck. Hardcore?
    I'm sure there is a use and it can be a lot of fun the way novelties and go cart racing can be fun, but defining it as hardcore seems unfitting.



    I think you're posting too much. Just an observation.
  • Reply 195 of 223
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    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    For a post trying to be so cosmopolitan you don't seem to have ever lived there. You are not particularly correct except on the thanksgiving part. That day is meaningless to them. Shinjuku and Harajuku during Christmas season sure convinced me you are off base about the commercial aspect of the holiday. Sure it's not a Christian-centric holiday there, but it is commercially viable and non-trivial.



    I love it when two people who've lived/been to the same country disagree with each other about that country.
  • Reply 196 of 223
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    Originally Posted by tipoo View Post


    The A5 rumors I heard were saying Rogue/600 series SGX chips. I wonder what will be faster, the quad core SGX543mp4 or the dual core variant of the 600 series. They promised some huge performance gains, but we'll see if that translates to real world.



    Texas Instrument's initial OMAP 5 platform will include two Cortex-A15



    The OMAP 5 processor leverages two ARM® Cortex™-A15 MPCores™ – the most advanced ARM architecture to date – capable of speeds of up to 2 GHz per core in the OMAP 5 implementation. With a 50 percent boost in performance over the Cortex-A9 core (at the same clock frequency), combined with up to 8GB of dynamic memory access and hardware virtualization support, the Cortex-A15 core can enable true mobile computing experiences, such as the ones referenced above.



    I originally saw a Texas Instrument video claiming that the dual-core Cortex-A15 would be faster and use less power than a quad-core Cortex-A9.

    Of course, the continued reduction in the manufacturing 'process' helps -- 28 nanometers.



    Here is more information, though Apple will have their own implementation for the A6 --

    http://newscenter.ti.com/Blogs/newsr...le-615064.aspx
  • Reply 197 of 223
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeanSolecki View Post


    Wait, so they celebrate Christmas, just not in a Christian way...



    ...because they don't celebrate christmas? O.o



    If they have a winter holiday that involves buying crap then that is not at all the same as observing christmas.



    I'm an atheist, and occasionally I buy things in the month of december. I don't, however, call it "celebrating christmas."



    Well if having Santa Claus figures up enough to consider common (but not ubiquitous like the US), putting up and decorating Charlie Brown trees in the Tatami Room and buying stuff for gifts in the fine commercial spirit most of the western world does, then Yes. They are celebrating the commercial tradition of Christmas. And it goes farther than just Shinjuku and Harajuku, you can see it all over in metropolitan areas, not just the Kanto plain.



    Most Christmas tradition components are just a co-opted miss-mash of previously pagan religion traditions the Pope used to solidify religious conversion of the northern European tribes. Why should you be the least bit surprised that the ones of those that essentially have secular meanings today are co-opted by commercial marketing forces in Japan? Nothing wrong with any of that, it's just how thing play out.



    Blame MTV and now the internet.
  • Reply 198 of 223
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
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    Originally Posted by eric475 View Post


    I love it when two people who've lived/been to the same country disagree with each other about that country.



    There can be a very big difference between visiting and living in a place when it comes to seeing how the residents live. Not just how a couple tourist destinations appear.
  • Reply 199 of 223
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    Well if having Santa Claus figures up enough to consider common (but not ubiquitous like the US), putting up and decorating Charlie Brown trees in the Tatami Room and buying stuff for gifts in the fine commercial spirit most of the western world does, then Yes. They are celebrating the commercial tradition of Christmas. And it goes farther than just Shinjuku and Harajuku, you can see it all over in metropolitan areas, not just the Kanto plain.



    Most Christmas tradition components are just a co-opted miss-mash of previously pagan religion traditions the Pope used to solidify religious conversion of the northern European tribes. Why should you be the least bit surprised that the ones of those that essentially have secular meanings today are co-opted by commercial marketing forces in Japan? Nothing wrong with any of that, it's just how thing play out.



    Blame MTV and now the internet.



    Fair enough. I guess you can't escape christmas anywhere.
  • Reply 200 of 223
    The best mobile gaming device is the one you have with you. I'm not going to lug this thing around in addition to my phone.



    But when I plan on "gaming", I'm going to play it on my 50" TV or 27" monitor when I'm in the comfort of my own home.
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