I'm of a similar mind. If the jury believes that Samsung's tablets are not selling, they might conclude that any copying being done is ineffective and not causing harm to Apple. Kinda like a "innocent by reason of incompetence" defense.
The problem with that line of thinking is that some other, more effective competitor could use a pro-Samsung ruling as legal precedent.
And that competitor would basically be free to copy Apple all over again because they could cite Apple v. Samsung and say "Look! Copying is OK!"
Doesn't matter how many iPad and iPhone clones Samsung sold. A clone is a clone.
I agree these numbers make more sense than Samsung's likely inflated numbers, but... if we assume it's possible Samsung lied about its original numbers, isn't it equally likely they're lying about these numbers? These numbers would be used to calculate damages, no? It also paints a more favorable argument for Samsung than, say, if Samsung really had sold millions of alleged copies, wouldn't it?
As with thieves, once a liar always a liar. And any conflicting evidence was likely "auto-deleted"...
I agree 100% ...based on their past record there's no way I'd believe anything Samsung says.
Somewhere out there, a US citizen and Samsung supporter who bought the Galaxy Tab at full price is reading this article and realising what a total fool he/she is. :-)
I bought a Galaxy Tab for a purpose it supports, and the iPad will never support, and that's backwards compatibility with IR devices without a dongle or expensive add-on. I'm not a fool or a samsung supporter or a troll, and I don't feel like one either. iPads are just jumbo iPhones. I already have one of those. This things lighter, cheaper, and does more stuff AND lets me dev on the android platform with a cheap buy in.
Point is, people who bought these little things knew what they were getting and likely don't feel foolish about it at all, and why would they? Because samsung stole designs? Consumers don't give a crap.
TS, why do all of your graphics show up as an empty square with a thick black border? ... this seems to be a recent change. What am I doing wrong?
Ah, you don't have Mountain/Lion. They both add emoji, which I use in lieu of forum emoticons because 1. there's a far FAR wider array of them for more emotions and 2. we only have one working forum emoticon.
They're straight-up Unicode characters, so they should be showing up anywhere that knows what they are. But that's the problem with using a standard; not everything supports it.
Your'e right, I don't. Unfortunately my Mac is a late 2006 and can only go to Snow Leopard. I also miss out on iBooks Publisher too. .... one of the downsides to "retirement" .... cannot upgrade equipment near as often as I'd like to. ...."sigh"
The reason the numbers probably disagree (shipped vs. sold) is that people think they are buying an iPad. When the get home and realize it's not an iPad, they return it. It's the perfect case for why Samsung's copying confuses the customers.
I wonder how the Android-apologist websites are spinning it.
They're not. Pathetic hypocrites aren't even showing the stories. Guess they don't want pie on their faces. As usual, they are proven wrong on so many levels, then simply turn their heads in the other direction and hope nobody notices them.
I was thinking a fair fine would be $100 to Apple for every infinging item Samsung sold.
But now it hardly seems worth it !
The problem with logic like this is that it's not based on anything. You somehow believe that these numbers are entirely arbitrary. If you look at Apple's prior demands, they have a breakdown. On the issue of trade dress, it's possible that they have a further breakdown to support their requests. I suppose if they wanted to, they could work backwards to try to justify a desired number or set of numbers, but I don't think personal sentiments should ever relate to numbers.
Samsung's management has been pretty good at ducking responsibility. I wouldn't count out their legal team's ability to fabricate a get-out-of-jail-free card just yet.
If the company even remotely cared about shareholders, then they probably should not have risked getting sued in the US on the first place. If their executives (CEO, board,etc.) are truly that stupid, then they should all be rightfully canned and fined.
Samsung lied about the first numbers and these are legit: They'll be crucified by their shareholders, an inquiry will be raised, and there'll be a ton of trouble.
Samsung told the truth about the first numbers and these are a lie: They'll be crucified by their shareholders, an inquiry will be raised, and there'll be a ton of trouble.
Samsung lied about the first numbers and is also lying about these: They'll be crucified 2x by their shareholders, an even larger inquiry will be raised, and there will be unimaginable trouble.
I would imagine if somebody were looking to purchase an Android tablets, they would have held off until the quad-core full HD tablets came out such as the Transformer Infinity. My parents held off on tablet and phone purchases until the Galaxy SIII and Transformer Infinity came out. Then again, as far as Android tablets go, Samsung's offerings are behind compared to their competitors. Acer and ASUS have quad-core full HD tablets.
That's interesting. I'm fifty so I'm either as old as your parents or older probably and I wouldn't consider myself a Luddite by any means. I mean I held of until I could get an i7 iMac since it encodes a lot of video most days but right now I couldn't even tell you what the processor is in my iPad or my iPhone for that matter. They both do what I want them to do. In fact I've never heard any of my friends (in their 30's, 40's and 50's) say they're waiting for a specific processor to buy a device. They may wait or want a specific device but they have never said I wanting a Snapdragon or what have you.
I've often wondered if Apple fans flood Android and/or Samsung fan sites in an attempt to provide balance. Because lately there's been an influx of the reverse here and on MR.
Apple fans typically lead busy lives to be bothered to counter post. I left MR a long, long time ago (and never came back) since the site is obviously about inciting post counts, ad analytics and pleasing advertisers at the expense of its intended audience. It is the site for "Apple fans" such as Da Hard-on.
I've often wondered if Apple fans flood Android and/or Samsung fan sites in an attempt to provide balance. Because lately there's been an influx of the reverse here and on MR.
a lot of people have a mix of iOS/android devices. yesterday someone i know got a Galaxy S3 and i looked at it. very nice phone and making me consider giving up my 4S. would never trade my ipad for an android tablet though. with a lot of people it seems that something expensive like a tablet they want an ipad, but for a phone they want android.
No big surprise here. Since Apple got the iPad right on the first try and has such an awesome ecosystem for it, it was always going to dominate. It's nice to have options, but they've got such a lead that they're never going to lose it (a la MS with OSes). Frankly not entirely sure why Samsung is even bothering to make a tablet at all at this point - they're not going to make any inroads imo. Just cut your losses and focus on smartphones, where you're actually doing well.
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Originally Posted by waybacmac
I'm of a similar mind. If the jury believes that Samsung's tablets are not selling, they might conclude that any copying being done is ineffective and not causing harm to Apple. Kinda like a "innocent by reason of incompetence" defense.
The problem with that line of thinking is that some other, more effective competitor could use a pro-Samsung ruling as legal precedent.
And that competitor would basically be free to copy Apple all over again because they could cite Apple v. Samsung and say "Look! Copying is OK!"
Doesn't matter how many iPad and iPhone clones Samsung sold. A clone is a clone.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You mean.
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TS, why do all of your graphics show up as an empty square with a thick black border? ... this seems to be a recent change. What am I doing wrong?
IDC LOL!
Samsung needs to put Steve Bummer and Mickey Dell on the Board.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
I agree these numbers make more sense than Samsung's likely inflated numbers, but... if we assume it's possible Samsung lied about its original numbers, isn't it equally likely they're lying about these numbers? These numbers would be used to calculate damages, no? It also paints a more favorable argument for Samsung than, say, if Samsung really had sold millions of alleged copies, wouldn't it?
As with thieves, once a liar always a liar. And any conflicting evidence was likely "auto-deleted"...
I agree 100% ...based on their past record there's no way I'd believe anything Samsung says.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Somewhere out there, a US citizen and Samsung supporter who bought the Galaxy Tab at full price is reading this article and realising what a total fool he/she is. :-)
I bought a Galaxy Tab for a purpose it supports, and the iPad will never support, and that's backwards compatibility with IR devices without a dongle or expensive add-on. I'm not a fool or a samsung supporter or a troll, and I don't feel like one either. iPads are just jumbo iPhones. I already have one of those. This things lighter, cheaper, and does more stuff AND lets me dev on the android platform with a cheap buy in.
Point is, people who bought these little things knew what they were getting and likely don't feel foolish about it at all, and why would they? Because samsung stole designs? Consumers don't give a crap.
Originally Posted by newbee
TS, why do all of your graphics show up as an empty square with a thick black border? ... this seems to be a recent change. What am I doing wrong?
Ah, you don't have Mountain/Lion. They both add emoji, which I use in lieu of forum emoticons because 1. there's a far FAR wider array of them for more emotions and 2. we only have one working forum emoticon.
They're straight-up Unicode characters, so they should be showing up anywhere that knows what they are. But that's the problem with using a standard; not everything supports it.
I guess if you cant give them away 2 for 1 no one wants Sammy's junk
Tab sales are surprisingly low. Isn't this the tablet was was supposed to unseat the iPad from supremacy? Thats what the blogosphere had me believe.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Ah, you don't have Mountain/Lion.
Your'e right, I don't. Unfortunately my Mac is a late 2006 and can only go to Snow Leopard. I also miss out on iBooks Publisher too. .... one of the downsides to "retirement" .... cannot upgrade equipment near as often as I'd like to. ...."sigh"
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The reason the numbers probably disagree (shipped vs. sold) is that people think they are buying an iPad. When the get home and realize it's not an iPad, they return it. It's the perfect case for why Samsung's copying confuses the customers.
They're not. Pathetic hypocrites aren't even showing the stories. Guess they don't want pie on their faces. As usual, they are proven wrong on so many levels, then simply turn their heads in the other direction and hope nobody notices them.
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Originally Posted by amoradala
I was thinking a fair fine would be $100 to Apple for every infinging item Samsung sold.
But now it hardly seems worth it !
The problem with logic like this is that it's not based on anything. You somehow believe that these numbers are entirely arbitrary. If you look at Apple's prior demands, they have a breakdown. On the issue of trade dress, it's possible that they have a further breakdown to support their requests. I suppose if they wanted to, they could work backwards to try to justify a desired number or set of numbers, but I don't think personal sentiments should ever relate to numbers.
If the company even remotely cared about shareholders, then they probably should not have risked getting sued in the US on the first place. If their executives (CEO, board,etc.) are truly that stupid, then they should all be rightfully canned and fined.
This was obvious over a year ago. Android tablets are junk, and the OEMs to which the OS is whored out to don't really give a damn.
That's interesting. I'm fifty so I'm either as old as your parents or older probably and I wouldn't consider myself a Luddite by any means. I mean I held of until I could get an i7 iMac since it encodes a lot of video most days but right now I couldn't even tell you what the processor is in my iPad or my iPhone for that matter. They both do what I want them to do. In fact I've never heard any of my friends (in their 30's, 40's and 50's) say they're waiting for a specific processor to buy a device. They may wait or want a specific device but they have never said I wanting a Snapdragon or what have you.
Apple fans typically lead busy lives to be bothered to counter post. I left MR a long, long time ago (and never came back) since the site is obviously about inciting post counts, ad analytics and pleasing advertisers at the expense of its intended audience. It is the site for "Apple fans" such as Da Hard-on.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I've often wondered if Apple fans flood Android and/or Samsung fan sites in an attempt to provide balance. Because lately there's been an influx of the reverse here and on MR.
a lot of people have a mix of iOS/android devices. yesterday someone i know got a Galaxy S3 and i looked at it. very nice phone and making me consider giving up my 4S. would never trade my ipad for an android tablet though. with a lot of people it seems that something expensive like a tablet they want an ipad, but for a phone they want android.
No big surprise here. Since Apple got the iPad right on the first try and has such an awesome ecosystem for it, it was always going to dominate. It's nice to have options, but they've got such a lead that they're never going to lose it (a la MS with OSes). Frankly not entirely sure why Samsung is even bothering to make a tablet at all at this point - they're not going to make any inroads imo. Just cut your losses and focus on smartphones, where you're actually doing well.
"to quantify the extend of potential"
You guys need to prof reed!