New pics of Apple's 'iPhone 5' mystery part reaffirm no NFC chip

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  • Reply 61 of 83


    I think the new iPhone will sell well and Apple will add features available to Android phones or similar features over time with iOS 7. Till then you'll have to wait for the jailbreak community to do things for it, and surely Apple listens to their jailbreak community now because the Pull to refresh feature found in today's mail app was available in iOS 3.1.3 with a jailbreak. So as long as you jailbreak it, you'll have a phone that's ahead of every other phone based on what you learn to make it do. 

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  • Reply 62 of 83
    Agree, I don't see anything worthy of an upgrade. The iPhone y so much behind on bigger screen, LTE, NFC, no micro SD port, etc. But it looks pretty.
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lUdZsv7VkhY/UBsM5YCx57I/AAAAAAAAA_c/iW8sComrfGo/s467/pic049.jpeg
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  • Reply 63 of 83


    Well thank God!  Keep NFC/RFID SpyChips OUT OF MY DEVICES!


     


    see the documentary movie free:


    http://freedomtofascism.com


     


    read the book:


    http://spychips.com

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  • Reply 64 of 83


    Originally Posted by libertyforall View Post

    Well thank God!  Keep NFC/RFID SpyChips OUT OF MY DEVICES!


     


    But you're fine with GPS.

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  • Reply 65 of 83
    peteralt wrote: »
    I won't believe it will or will not happen until I hear it from Apple officially. The above is just mere speculation on my part, explaining why you shouldn't rule it out. I just find it odd that Apple would include a wallet-like feature in iOS 6 and not NFC. Also, they've been investing in NFC technologies and related companies over recent years, so NFC *is* coming... some day. Possibily not so soon, but why introduce a wallet-like app so soon ahead of NFC?

    In which NFC technologies and related companies has Apple invested?
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  • Reply 66 of 83


    It's just a matter of one-handed use.


     


    It's secure one-handed use. I can keep a solid grip on my iPhone while performing all the main tasks I need.


     


    When I had a GSII it required more grip shifting to access all points of the screen, and perform regular tasks, which made the phone less secure to hold, which affects my day to day use.

     

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  • Reply 67 of 83
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soulbearer View Post



    Agree, I don't see anything worthy of an upgrade. The iPhone y so much behind on bigger screen, LTE, NFC, no micro SD port, etc. But it looks pretty.




    Idontknowhowtopostapicture.jpg


     


    You forgot the 'oh, so important' replaceable battery.


     


    ...and how to steal stuff, the Android way, like so:-


     


     



     


    It makes you wonder why they bother with the copying.


     


     


    LOL


    LOL, they only remove the back cover from the back and call this a big change? I hope the add something really worthy, so far looks like the same phone to me. The iphone is behind all existing Android phone on decent screen size, LTE, NFC, micro SD, etc.

    Getting a phone that is outdated is just dump. We can call the iphone as the smartphone for dummies.

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lUdZsv7VkhY/UBsM5YCx57I/AAAAAAAAA_c/iW8sComrfGo/s467/pic049.jpeg





    everinm


    7 September, 2012 09:59
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  • Reply 68 of 83


    Agree, why not removable battery!


     


     



     


     


    BTW the Android way represents most of the smartphone users worldwide.

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  • Reply 69 of 83
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    Apple provides software updates for the iPhone for two software generations.
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  • Reply 70 of 83


    Originally Posted by Soulbearer View Post

    Agree, why not removable battery!


     


    Lack of a point?


     







     


    You realize this image is making fun of Samsung, right?


     




    BTW the Android way represents most of the smartphone users worldwide.




     


    Real shame that "most of the smartphone users worldwide" hate their phones.

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  • Reply 71 of 83
    Maybe I was wrong about NFC. I didn't realize Bluetooth 4 could substitute it.

    Believe me, I love my Apple iPhone 4, iPad 3, iPod Touch 4, and Apple TV 2 too much to be a troll.

    My sister, btw, has a Samsung Galaxy S3, a Mac Book Pro, an iPad 3, and and an Apple TV 3 and we get into Apple vs Samsung arguments all the time. I keep telling her that Samsung outright stole Apple's designs and tried to improve it. In many cases, they used their insider knowledge as a manufacturer contractor for Apple to gain the upper hand and compete against it unfairly. I guess values and morality counts little for Samsung fans.
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  • Reply 72 of 83
    peteralt wrote: »
    Maybe I was wrong about NFC. I didn't realize Bluetooth 4 could substitute it.
    Believe me, I love my Apple iPhone 4, iPad 3, iPod Touch 4, and Apple TV 2 too much to be a troll.
    My sister, btw, has a Samsung Galaxy S3, a Mac Book Pro, an iPad 3, and and an Apple TV 3 and we get into Apple vs Samsung arguments all the time. I keep telling her that Samsung outright stole Apple's designs and tried to improve it. In many cases, they used their insider knowledge as a manufacturer contractor for Apple to gain the upper hand and compete against it unfairly. I guess values and morality counts little for Samsung fans.

    I could be mistaken but I believe there are significant advantages for Apple to use Bluetooth rather than NFC.

    You are asking the correct questions though:

    Why was the FaceTime camera moved?
    Why was the headphone jack moved?
    Why is a only a portion of the rear metal (NFC antenna)?
    Conversely, why is only a portion of the rear glass (fingerprint sensor)?
    Why does Apple feel the AuthenTec purchase is worthwhile?
    Why did the iTravel and iWallet patents only recently surface?
    Why does Apple feel that Passbook is so important?
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  • Reply 73 of 83


    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post

    Why is a only a portion of the rear metal (NFC antenna)?


     


    The back panel and two side panels are one piece. That's not going to be a very good antenna, I don't think.

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  • Reply 74 of 83
    The back panel and two side panels are one piece. That's not going to be a very good antenna, I don't think.

    I don't believe so either but I also question whether the design is real.
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  • Reply 75 of 83


    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post

    I don't believe so either but I also question whether the design is real.


     


    Oh, at the very least it's real. If nothing else, it's an actual Apple prototype; that machining, that refinement of the iPhone 4 design is too sophisticated for anyone else, and do you know how expensive making one-shots of all the parts we've seen are? Even if they're literally just laminated paper to make them look shiny like ribbon cables and cardboard for the pieces, it's a feat. 

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  • Reply 76 of 83
    Oh, at the very least it's real. If nothing else, it's an actual Apple prototype; that machining, that refinement of the iPhone 4 design is too sophisticated for anyone else, and do you know how expensive making one-shots of all the parts we've seen are? Even if they're literally just laminated paper to make them look shiny like ribbon cables and cardboard for the pieces, it's a feat. 

    I remember last year when virtually everyone was sure that the iPhone 5 would be curved based on images.

    At any rate, that isn't the point. My point is that based on the imagery, Apple has made some significant changes apparently unnecessarily. Unnecessary changes are an anathema to Apple.

    Why the back panel?
    Why not a one piece back?
    Why was the headphone jack moved?
    Why was the FaceTime camera moved?
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  • Reply 77 of 83


    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post

    Why not a one piece back?


     


    They wanted metal for the back, but you can't do that and expect radio reception (and unless this back IS LiquidMetal and they just chose an alloy that was transparent to the wrong frequencies, LiquidMetal isn't ready yet). 


     


    Headphone jack, who knows, but I have a sinking suspicion it has to do with compatibility with the Dock Connector 2 to Dock Connector accessories. 


     


    FaceTime probably because Apple likes symmetry. There were two screws on the bottom of the white MacBook that did absolutely nothing, but were there because the two screws in the same place on the other side did.

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  • Reply 78 of 83
    They wanted metal for the back, but you can't do that and expect radio reception (and unless this back IS LiquidMetal and they just chose an alloy that was transparent to the wrong frequencies, LiquidMetal isn't ready yet). 

    Headphone jack, who knows, but I have a sinking suspicion it has to do with compatibility with the Dock Connector 2 to Dock Connector accessories. 

    FaceTime probably because Apple likes symmetry. There were two screws on the bottom of the white MacBook that did absolutely nothing, but were there because the two screws in the same place on the other side did.

    The partial metal back seems an odd design choice; therefore, I believe there must be a reason. (cognitive bias)

    There is also the question of how Apple is using the (likely) massive amounts of additional space in the new iPhone:

    Apple A6 SOC will likely use a 28 nm or 32 nm process indicating a smaller processor (unless Apple decides to use a quad-core processor)
    Qualcomm MDM9615 is manufactured using a 28 nm process, again, possibly indicating potential additional space.
    Additionally, most of the thinner profile seems to be attributable to the in-cell technology of the display.
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  • Reply 79 of 83


    Originally Posted by MacBook Pro View Post

    There is also the question of how Apple is using the (likely) massive amounts of additional space in the new iPhone:


     


    It's thinner though, so I read somewhere the volume is about the same… 

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  • Reply 80 of 83
    It's thinner though, so I read somewhere the volume is about the same… 

    You must have responded before I finished.

    Apparently the thinner profile is attributable to the in-cell technology.
    The additional space; therefore, is attributable to the use of 28 nm or 32 nm process technology.

    I presume some of the space will be used for Hynix or Toshiba NAND flash
    NFC components aren't very large
    AuthenTec's AES2750 fingerprint sensor isn't very large
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