In my country we have a legal right to know everything a company stores on their computers about a customer. I did a legal request a month ago. Google is the only company that refuses give me the data.
I hope I win in court.
Start with your Google Dashboard. You can view the information associated with your Google services or accounts, and correct, modify or restrict the types of information you share with them. Certainly not a thorough reporting of everything associated with your "profile", but Google does at least offer a simple way to control how and what is shared with them. It's the first place I'd go if I was concerned about 'what Google knows".
You mentioned only Google refuses to tell you what information is stored, or at least it's taking them more than a month to comply. I've always been curious about what Apple keeps on file about us. What did they report to you and how long did it take for them to respond?
Start with your Google Dashboard. You can view the information associated with your Google services or accounts, and correct, modify or restrict the types of information you share with them. Certainly not a thorough reporting of everything associated with your "profile", but Google does at least offer a simple way to control how and what is shared with them. It's the first place I'd go if I was concerned about 'what Google knows".
You mentioned only Google refuses to tell you what information is stored, or at least it's taking them more than a month to comply. I've always been curious about what Apple keeps on file about us. What did they report to you and how long did it take for them to respond?
I see that you're failing to admit that Google keeps information about you that they don't disclose. For example, there was the case with Safari that they completely ignored your privacy settings.
Start with your Google Dashboard. You can view the information associated with your Google services or accounts, and correct, modify or restrict the types of information you share with them. Certainly not a thorough reporting of everything associated with your "profile", but Google does at least offer a simple way to control how and what is shared with them. It's the first place I'd go if I was concerned about 'what Google knows".
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I see that you're failing to admit that Google keeps information about you that they don't disclose. .
I see you haven't had a cup of coffee yet, nor wearing your glasses this morning.
Android is a Java platform, the Dalvik runtime environment on Android is based on Java, they convert Java bytecode class into Dalvik Executable.
According to one of Oracle's lead engineers and Java expert it's not:
"For the other commenter who thinks Android is "based on Java", you are incorrect. While it is true that the programming language for Android is the Java programming language, the Android platform itself uses the Dalvik virtual machine and processes Dalvik bytecode, not Java bytecode, so the Android platform is NOT based specifically on Java ME technology.
That is why the chart (above) from the Net Applications mobile analytics company, specifically calls out and differentiates "Java ME" from "Android" as two distinct Mobile/Tablet OSes, see the chart. Otherwise, if you think about it, why would they list the two different OSes in their Mobile/Tablet OS Share chart?
Posted by Hinkmond Wong on January 02, 2012 at 05:25 AM PST #"
According to one of Oracle's lead engineers and Java expert it's not:
"For the other commenter who thinks Android is "based on Java", you are incorrect. While it is true that the programming language for Android is the Java programming language, the Android platform itself uses the Dalvik virtual machine and processes Dalvik bytecode, not Java bytecode, so the Android platform is NOT based specifically on Java ME technology.
That is why the chart (above) from the Net Applications mobile analytics company, specifically calls out and differentiates "Java ME" from "Android" as two distinct Mobile/Tablet OSes, see the chart. Otherwise, if you think about it, why would they list the two different OSes in their Mobile/Tablet OS Share chart?
Posted by Hinkmond Wong on January 02, 2012 at 05:25 AM PST #"
Ok so what you are saying is: Android IDE is Java classes but the runtime is not based on JaveME making programs compiled for Dalvik VM incompatible with JavaME. To my understanding replacing the JavaME runtime by another bytecode JIT doesn't negated the fact of being a java based platform using Java API's.
Ok so what you are saying is: Android IDE is Java classes but the runtime is not based on JaveME making programs compiled for Dalvik VM incompatible with JavaME. To my understanding replacing the JavaME runtime by another bytecode JIT doesn't negated the fact of being a java based platform.
No, I'm not saying that at all. The quote is from a lead Oracle engineer and purported expert in Java. Perhaps you are too, I don't know.
Android is inherently very secure, but security falls on the user. As of right now, pretty much the only way to get malware onto an Android phone is to physically download and install it yourself. This doesn't make Android insecure, it makes people stupid.
BTW, the iPhone is also vulnerable in the same ways, but most users don't jailbreak their iPhones and only install Apple-certified apps, which guarantees to filter out 99.9% of potential trouble.
More alarming is how easy phones are to hack, including the iPhone...
No, I'm not saying that at all. The quote is from a lead Oracle engineer and purported expert in Java. Perhaps you are too, I don't know.
I wasn't intend to be rude, but the quote from Oracle engineer was in context of Google case if they have steal works or not from Oracle, and in this case it was determine the Dalvik VM was not based on JavaME works. My points is Android development environment still 100% java, you can't run native linux apps on Android because there is no GUI API outside the Dalvik VM.
Seeing as how you brought up the subject of "half-truths".
Google maps was crippled on iOS, deliberately in order to increase sales of Android devices.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
There's a difference between "perfectly functional" and "fully featured". Google Maps on iOS was perfectly functional, not fully featured. Maps still isn't fully featured, and now it's less functional.
Google withholding full turn by turn navigation has nothing to do with half-truths. It's the whole truth, and it makes sense as a competitive advantage. It obviously wasn't a big enough problem for Apple to ditch the service for the first five years of the iPhone, so why not wait a sixth year and release a truly world-class maps application?
To tie this back in, the press on Maps was fully deserved and was not biased.
I wasn't intend to be rude, but the quote from Oracle engineer was in context of Google case if they have steal works or not from Oracle, and in this case it was determine the Dalvik VM was not based on JavaME works. My points is Android development environment still 100% java, you can't run native linux apps on Android because there is no GUI API outside the Dalvik VM.
Android isn't Java based because you can't run .class files on an Android device, at least not without first installing a Java Virtual Machine. Further, you don't have to use the Dalvik VM at all -- you can use the NDK to build native ARM, x86, or MIPS executables.
When in a meeting, why do iPhone users set their phone on the table in front of them and then fondle it every few minutes for no apparent reason? Doesn't happen with Windows, Blackberry, or Android phones, only the iPhone. It's bizarre.
iOS is really kind of lame. Want to use Pandora? Oh, gotta wait for Apple to fix iOS. Got a longer screen? Oh, gotta wait for the developers to fix their apps. Apple can't even design an original clock face, they had to steal it, like everything else they do.
I have a Mac OSX, iPad, Android Galaxy Nexus, and a Windows 7 PC. I have never had any problem with any of them because of one simple rule... "Don't be an idiot!"
It's not like these things 'just happen', a user has to physically invite these attacks on their devices. It's kind of like those spam emails where they ask for your bank account so they can wire you millions of dollars. No offense, but people who fall for that kind of stuff deserve to get scammed. Any intelligent person can easily avoid these attacks by using common sense, likewise, any idiot can still be attacked by stuff like this whether or not they use an Apple product or Google product.
And shompa.... Where are you getting your information? Because most of it is just wrong.
the entire Frasier series is up about 3 or 4 times over. I've also watched countless operas and movies, many of which are still up. And I haven't even been looking, really.
So... Google is terrible because they allow illegal content but it's ok for you to watch that content. Typical Apple hypocrite. Maybe Google would pull it if you'd report it instead of watching it.
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No turn by turn is "perfectly functional", is it?
Seeing as how you brought up the subject of "half-truths".
Google maps was crippled on iOS, deliberately in order to increase sales of Android devices.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Yay, Android is OPEN!!!!! Like an axe wound to the back of the skull. Hope you fandroids have had your shots.
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Originally Posted by Kr00
Yay, Android is OPEN!!!!! Like an axe wound to the back of the skull. Hope you fandroids have had your shots.
I've never been hit to the back of the skull with an axe, but I highly doubt it being such a pleasure as complete freedom over my OS.
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Originally Posted by shompa
The big question: what is google hiding?
In my country we have a legal right to know everything a company stores on their computers about a customer. I did a legal request a month ago. Google is the only company that refuses give me the data.
I hope I win in court.
Start with your Google Dashboard. You can view the information associated with your Google services or accounts, and correct, modify or restrict the types of information you share with them. Certainly not a thorough reporting of everything associated with your "profile", but Google does at least offer a simple way to control how and what is shared with them. It's the first place I'd go if I was concerned about 'what Google knows".
You mentioned only Google refuses to tell you what information is stored, or at least it's taking them more than a month to comply. I've always been curious about what Apple keeps on file about us. What did they report to you and how long did it take for them to respond?
I see that you're failing to admit that Google keeps information about you that they don't disclose. For example, there was the case with Safari that they completely ignored your privacy settings.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Start with your Google Dashboard. You can view the information associated with your Google services or accounts, and correct, modify or restrict the types of information you share with them. Certainly not a thorough reporting of everything associated with your "profile", but Google does at least offer a simple way to control how and what is shared with them. It's the first place I'd go if I was concerned about 'what Google knows".
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I see that you're failing to admit that Google keeps information about you that they don't disclose. .
I see you haven't had a cup of coffee yet, nor wearing your glasses this morning.
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Originally Posted by derekmorr
It isn't a Java program. It's a Dalvik program. Android doesn't use the Java Virtual Machine.
Android is a Java platform, the Dalvik runtime environment on Android is based on Java, they convert Java bytecode class into Dalvik Executable.
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Originally Posted by BigMac2
Android is a Java platform, the Dalvik runtime environment on Android is based on Java, they convert Java bytecode class into Dalvik Executable.
According to one of Oracle's lead engineers and Java expert it's not:
"For the other commenter who thinks Android is "based on Java", you are incorrect. While it is true that the programming language for Android is the Java programming language, the Android platform itself uses the Dalvik virtual machine and processes Dalvik bytecode, not Java bytecode, so the Android platform is NOT based specifically on Java ME technology.
That is why the chart (above) from the Net Applications mobile analytics company, specifically calls out and differentiates "Java ME" from "Android" as two distinct Mobile/Tablet OSes, see the chart. Otherwise, if you think about it, why would they list the two different OSes in their Mobile/Tablet OS Share chart?
Posted by Hinkmond Wong on January 02, 2012 at 05:25 AM PST #"
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
According to one of Oracle's lead engineers and Java expert it's not:
"For the other commenter who thinks Android is "based on Java", you are incorrect. While it is true that the programming language for Android is the Java programming language, the Android platform itself uses the Dalvik virtual machine and processes Dalvik bytecode, not Java bytecode, so the Android platform is NOT based specifically on Java ME technology.
That is why the chart (above) from the Net Applications mobile analytics company, specifically calls out and differentiates "Java ME" from "Android" as two distinct Mobile/Tablet OSes, see the chart. Otherwise, if you think about it, why would they list the two different OSes in their Mobile/Tablet OS Share chart?
Posted by Hinkmond Wong on January 02, 2012 at 05:25 AM PST #"
Ok so what you are saying is: Android IDE is Java classes but the runtime is not based on JaveME making programs compiled for Dalvik VM incompatible with JavaME. To my understanding replacing the JavaME runtime by another bytecode JIT doesn't negated the fact of being a java based platform using Java API's.
Originally Posted by kermitos
I've never been hit to the back of the skull with an axe, but I highly doubt it being such a pleasure as complete freedom over my OS.
I doubt you can compare the two at all, since you've not experienced either.
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Originally Posted by BigMac2
Ok so what you are saying is: Android IDE is Java classes but the runtime is not based on JaveME making programs compiled for Dalvik VM incompatible with JavaME. To my understanding replacing the JavaME runtime by another bytecode JIT doesn't negated the fact of being a java based platform.
No, I'm not saying that at all. The quote is from a lead Oracle engineer and purported expert in Java. Perhaps you are too, I don't know.
Android is inherently very secure, but security falls on the user. As of right now, pretty much the only way to get malware onto an Android phone is to physically download and install it yourself. This doesn't make Android insecure, it makes people stupid.
BTW, the iPhone is also vulnerable in the same ways, but most users don't jailbreak their iPhones and only install Apple-certified apps, which guarantees to filter out 99.9% of potential trouble.
More alarming is how easy phones are to hack, including the iPhone...
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
No, I'm not saying that at all. The quote is from a lead Oracle engineer and purported expert in Java. Perhaps you are too, I don't know.
I wasn't intend to be rude, but the quote from Oracle engineer was in context of Google case if they have steal works or not from Oracle, and in this case it was determine the Dalvik VM was not based on JavaME works. My points is Android development environment still 100% java, you can't run native linux apps on Android because there is no GUI API outside the Dalvik VM.
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Originally Posted by hill60
No turn by turn is "perfectly functional", is it?
Seeing as how you brought up the subject of "half-truths".
Google maps was crippled on iOS, deliberately in order to increase sales of Android devices.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
There's a difference between "perfectly functional" and "fully featured". Google Maps on iOS was perfectly functional, not fully featured. Maps still isn't fully featured, and now it's less functional.
Google withholding full turn by turn navigation has nothing to do with half-truths. It's the whole truth, and it makes sense as a competitive advantage. It obviously wasn't a big enough problem for Apple to ditch the service for the first five years of the iPhone, so why not wait a sixth year and release a truly world-class maps application?
To tie this back in, the press on Maps was fully deserved and was not biased.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMac2
I wasn't intend to be rude, but the quote from Oracle engineer was in context of Google case if they have steal works or not from Oracle, and in this case it was determine the Dalvik VM was not based on JavaME works. My points is Android development environment still 100% java, you can't run native linux apps on Android because there is no GUI API outside the Dalvik VM.
Android isn't Java based because you can't run .class files on an Android device, at least not without first installing a Java Virtual Machine. Further, you don't have to use the Dalvik VM at all -- you can use the NDK to build native ARM, x86, or MIPS executables.
http://thenextweb.com/google/2012/10/15/fbi-issues-mobile-malware-warning-specifically-discusses-android-and-offers-safety-tips/
iOS is really kind of lame. Want to use Pandora? Oh, gotta wait for Apple to fix iOS. Got a longer screen? Oh, gotta wait for the developers to fix their apps. Apple can't even design an original clock face, they had to steal it, like everything else they do.
I have a Mac OSX, iPad, Android Galaxy Nexus, and a Windows 7 PC. I have never had any problem with any of them because of one simple rule... "Don't be an idiot!"
It's not like these things 'just happen', a user has to physically invite these attacks on their devices. It's kind of like those spam emails where they ask for your bank account so they can wire you millions of dollars. No offense, but people who fall for that kind of stuff deserve to get scammed. Any intelligent person can easily avoid these attacks by using common sense, likewise, any idiot can still be attacked by stuff like this whether or not they use an Apple product or Google product.
And shompa.... Where are you getting your information? Because most of it is just wrong.
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Originally Posted by joelsalt
the entire Frasier series is up about 3 or 4 times over. I've also watched countless operas and movies, many of which are still up. And I haven't even been looking, really.
So... Google is terrible because they allow illegal content but it's ok for you to watch that content. Typical Apple hypocrite. Maybe Google would pull it if you'd report it instead of watching it.