But seriously, it's about leverage. Apple has it because of the cachet of iPhone. Samsung is gaining more (I could be wrong but it seems they have more freedom in product naming). HTC simply doesn't have it right now. Carriers demand branding of the phones, making it hard for HTC to create a meaningful identity. Some outside-the-box marketing is required.
Not necessarily, same branding across all carriers isn't unique to Apple and was commonplace pre-iPhone. My brother was a big HTC fan since the Droid Incredible and because there wasn't a One X type phone on VZW he ended up getting a iPhone 5.
Terms of deal: HTC may use Apple IP on phones running an OS other than Android (for $20 per phone). Apple may freely use the patents Google/Motorola gave HTC to try to hassle Apple.
Samsung, on the other hand, will probably go all the way.
Koreans dont like to give in.
Hapkido, a Korean variant of Aikido, is an art of yielding and redirecting ... not meeting force with force ... I'm not sure the assertion "Koreans don't like to give in" is valid at all.
One thing to keep in mind is that HTC bought S3 graphics, and also patent protection from Microsoft, as well as a bunch of other IP. So odds are the terms of the licensing deal were favourable to both companies, likely along the same lines as HTC's deal with MS (5$ per phone).
HTC has always tried to 'play nicely' with others in the tech space. Not to mention, they make by far the nicest Android phones, and were one of the original smartphone manufacturers (first manufacturing phones for Palm, later making HTC branded Windows 6.5 phones).
And while their profits have been lagging, they're still making money, despite a bunch of failed acquisitions and investments... HTC's issues are related mostly to poor marketing, they make great products.
Hapkido, a Korean variant of Aikido, is an art of yielding and redirecting ... not meeting force with force ... I'm not sure the assertion "Koreans don't like to give in" is valid at all.
Hapkido is more like Karate + Judo. Nothing like Aikido....
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
I saw this coming when Apple shares were over $700.
I just hope Apple realize that they need to make more than one phone model/design to beat the market. one cannot rule them all anymore as people want different styles or bigger screens
Apple started suing people over phones in 2010, what was the share price then?
Hapkido, a Korean variant of Aikido, is an art of yielding and redirecting ... not meeting force with force ... I'm not sure the assertion "Koreans don't like to give in" is valid at all.
What?
Why are we talking about martial arts all of a sudden?
Where in my statement do I associate martial arts with Koreans?
This is a classic example of pulling things out of the backside.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Apple started suing people over phones in 2010, what was the share price then?
There goes that theory.
Dont worry. Apple's share price will dip into the $400 sooner than expected. I've already sold mine.
With Democrats increasing the capital gains tax rate, Apple's continued trouble with production, no new product introduction until next year, management shakeup and word leaking out that Tim Cook is just an ordinary business guy, I'm pretty certain that the shares will reflect all of this. All these things will influence both institutional investors and individuals alike to sell off their shares when they can. Some words are going around that shares will dip down to $425.
Dont worry. Apple's share price will dip into the $400 sooner than expected. I've already sold mine.
They are only up almost $10 today.
As the US settles into the realization that the recent election result wasn't "the end of the world", I expect money to come back into the share market and business to resume as normal.
Why are we talking about martial arts all of a sudden?
Where in my statement do I associate martial arts with Koreans?
This is a classic example of pulling things out of the backside.
Dont worry. Apple's share price will dip into the $400 sooner than expected. I've already sold mine.
With Democrats increasing the capital gains tax rate, Apple's continued trouble with production, no new product introduction until next year, management shakeup and word leaking out that Tim Cook is just an ordinary business guy, I'm pretty certain that the shares will reflect all of this. All these things will influence both institutional investors and individuals alike to sell off their shares when they can. Some words are going around that shares will dip down to $425.
you do not have shares because you are an irrational troll without life. And this post is not "offending"... just stating facts.
The fact that Apple has (by far) the best devices on every category they are in and are selling more than ever on each one, is irrelevant? You are just a stupid troll.
you do not have shares because you are an irrational troll without life. And this post is not "offending"... just stating facts.
The fact that Apple has (by far) the best devices on every category they are in and are selling more than ever on each one, is irrelevant? You are just a stupid troll.
Isn't it funny how the trolls are always posting about how they are always selling their Apple stock but never once mention when they were excited to buy them. It's almost as if they are making it all up.
Terms of deal:
HTC may use Apple IP on phones running an OS other than Android (for $20 per phone).
Apple may freely use the patents Google/Motorola gave HTC to try to hassle Apple.
I'd actually be really interested knowing if Apple gained access to the 9 patents Google gave/loaned to HTC. That would be the single funniest event of the smartphone patent wars if it happened. HTC copies Apple, Apple gains access to Google's patents.
Isn't it funny how the trolls are always posting about how they are always selling their Apple stock but never once mention when they were excited to buy them. It's almost as if they are making it all up.
Yes and it truly confuses me how they are allowed to post, when everyone knows who the usual trolls are and what they are up to.
Isn't it funny how the trolls are always posting about how they are always selling their Apple stock but never once mention when they were excited to buy them. It's almost as if they are making it all up.
Also funny how trolls seem to have either just purchased a Nexus or GS3 after selling their 4S or 5 and they've "never looked back" at iOS once they used Android.
I'd actually be really interested knowing if Apple gained access to the 9 patents Google gave/loaned to HTC. That would be the single funniest event of the smartphone patent wars if it happened. HTC copies Apple, Apple gains access to Google's patents.
Licensing or even having patent protection does not give HTC ownership of said patents. So they can't license out those same Google patents to anyone.
Believe it or not, but HTC has quite a bit of IP itself, especially for how small they are... They've been making smartphones longer than anyone...
I'd actually be really interested knowing if Apple gained access to the 9 patents Google gave/loaned to HTC. That would be the single funniest event of the smartphone patent wars if it happened. HTC copies Apple, Apple gains access to Google's patents.
Possible, but I'd be pretty surprised. One of the issues the ITC had with those transferred patents is that Google retained some control of them. I'd guess they'd minimally preclude HTC re-licensing them to someone else without Google's permission.
BTW, I think there there were 5 patents transferred by Google and not 9, but I could be wrong. The two that HTC was (so far) successfully wielding against Apple at the ITC didn't come from Google. Those two were probably more concerning to Apple at the moment as they may have resulted in an import ban on LTE-enabled Apple products.
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Not necessarily, same branding across all carriers isn't unique to Apple and was commonplace pre-iPhone. My brother was a big HTC fan since the Droid Incredible and because there wasn't a One X type phone on VZW he ended up getting a iPhone 5.
No, the One X. The 8X is a Windows 8 phone that I know little of. The phone pictured in this thread is the One X.
HTC may use Apple IP on phones running an OS other than Android (for $20 per phone).
Apple may freely use the patents Google/Motorola gave HTC to try to hassle Apple.
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Why? Does Google need to WASTE another $12.5 billion?
In my book, they do.
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Originally Posted by GTR
Hey, AppleInsider,
You misspelled Samsung as HTC in this article!!!
Ha! funny!
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Originally Posted by Galbi
HTC settled because they are not making moolahs.
Samsung, on the other hand, will probably go all the way.
Koreans dont like to give in.
Hapkido, a Korean variant of Aikido, is an art of yielding and redirecting ... not meeting force with force ... I'm not sure the assertion "Koreans don't like to give in" is valid at all.
One thing to keep in mind is that HTC bought S3 graphics, and also patent protection from Microsoft, as well as a bunch of other IP. So odds are the terms of the licensing deal were favourable to both companies, likely along the same lines as HTC's deal with MS (5$ per phone).
HTC has always tried to 'play nicely' with others in the tech space. Not to mention, they make by far the nicest Android phones, and were one of the original smartphone manufacturers (first manufacturing phones for Palm, later making HTC branded Windows 6.5 phones).
And while their profits have been lagging, they're still making money, despite a bunch of failed acquisitions and investments... HTC's issues are related mostly to poor marketing, they make great products.
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Originally Posted by scottschor
Hapkido, a Korean variant of Aikido, is an art of yielding and redirecting ... not meeting force with force ... I'm not sure the assertion "Koreans don't like to give in" is valid at all.
Hapkido is more like Karate + Judo. Nothing like Aikido....
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Originally Posted by Mikeb85
Hapkido is more like Karate + Judo. Nothing like Aikido....
A discussion well worth having, but not necessarily here. I appreciate the differing opinion and insight, Mike.
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Originally Posted by Markussd
Since Apple sued Samsung and others, its shares have fallen by over $100+, Sales have fallen all over the world and samsung is beating them in sales, Apple is also losing cases against everyone in court that sues them... Companies are lining up to sue Apple.
I saw this coming when Apple shares were over $700.
I just hope Apple realize that they need to make more than one phone model/design to beat the market. one cannot rule them all anymore as people want different styles or bigger screens
Apple started suing people over phones in 2010, what was the share price then?
There goes that theory.
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Originally Posted by scottschor
Hapkido, a Korean variant of Aikido, is an art of yielding and redirecting ... not meeting force with force ... I'm not sure the assertion "Koreans don't like to give in" is valid at all.
What?
Why are we talking about martial arts all of a sudden?
Where in my statement do I associate martial arts with Koreans?
This is a classic example of pulling things out of the backside.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60
Apple started suing people over phones in 2010, what was the share price then?
There goes that theory.
Dont worry. Apple's share price will dip into the $400 sooner than expected. I've already sold mine.
With Democrats increasing the capital gains tax rate, Apple's continued trouble with production, no new product introduction until next year, management shakeup and word leaking out that Tim Cook is just an ordinary business guy, I'm pretty certain that the shares will reflect all of this. All these things will influence both institutional investors and individuals alike to sell off their shares when they can. Some words are going around that shares will dip down to $425.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galbi
Dont worry. Apple's share price will dip into the $400 sooner than expected. I've already sold mine.
They are only up almost $10 today.
As the US settles into the realization that the recent election result wasn't "the end of the world", I expect money to come back into the share market and business to resume as normal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galbi
What?
Why are we talking about martial arts all of a sudden?
Where in my statement do I associate martial arts with Koreans?
This is a classic example of pulling things out of the backside.
Dont worry. Apple's share price will dip into the $400 sooner than expected. I've already sold mine.
With Democrats increasing the capital gains tax rate, Apple's continued trouble with production, no new product introduction until next year, management shakeup and word leaking out that Tim Cook is just an ordinary business guy, I'm pretty certain that the shares will reflect all of this. All these things will influence both institutional investors and individuals alike to sell off their shares when they can. Some words are going around that shares will dip down to $425.
you do not have shares because you are an irrational troll without life. And this post is not "offending"... just stating facts.
The fact that Apple has (by far) the best devices on every category they are in and are selling more than ever on each one, is irrelevant? You are just a stupid troll.
Isn't it funny how the trolls are always posting about how they are always selling their Apple stock but never once mention when they were excited to buy them. It's almost as if they are making it all up.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Isn't it funny how the trolls are always posting about how they are always selling their Apple stock but never once mention when they were excited to buy them. It's almost as if they are making it all up.
Yes and it truly confuses me how they are allowed to post, when everyone knows who the usual trolls are and what they are up to.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Isn't it funny how the trolls are always posting about how they are always selling their Apple stock but never once mention when they were excited to buy them. It's almost as if they are making it all up.
Also funny how trolls seem to have either just purchased a Nexus or GS3 after selling their 4S or 5 and they've "never looked back" at iOS once they used Android.
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Originally Posted by Tulkas
I'd actually be really interested knowing if Apple gained access to the 9 patents Google gave/loaned to HTC. That would be the single funniest event of the smartphone patent wars if it happened. HTC copies Apple, Apple gains access to Google's patents.
Licensing or even having patent protection does not give HTC ownership of said patents. So they can't license out those same Google patents to anyone.
Believe it or not, but HTC has quite a bit of IP itself, especially for how small they are... They've been making smartphones longer than anyone...
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Originally Posted by Tulkas
I'd actually be really interested knowing if Apple gained access to the 9 patents Google gave/loaned to HTC. That would be the single funniest event of the smartphone patent wars if it happened. HTC copies Apple, Apple gains access to Google's patents.
Possible, but I'd be pretty surprised. One of the issues the ITC had with those transferred patents is that Google retained some control of them. I'd guess they'd minimally preclude HTC re-licensing them to someone else without Google's permission.
BTW, I think there there were 5 patents transferred by Google and not 9, but I could be wrong. The two that HTC was (so far) successfully wielding against Apple at the ITC didn't come from Google. Those two were probably more concerning to Apple at the moment as they may have resulted in an import ban on LTE-enabled Apple products.