Honestly? I'm yet to see a person that I know to be using Windows 8 and hating it. Beside having it on half our computers, Win 8 machines have started leaking into our corporate users. Since all of them are using business apps which run on desktop, all of Metro they see is Start screen, which some like, and some are indifferent. No haters yet. After that, business is as usual. If you ignore meddling with Windows (which corporate users don't do anyway), using your applications on Windows 8 really does not differ from using them on Windows 7.
Beside that, 8 boots much faster than 7, seems to be very stable, gives nice perks like multi-boot from VHDs, handles updates better and have number of tweaks compared to Windows 7. Beside agreeing or disagreeing with visual dissonance between Metro and desktop, and lack of Aero on desktop, there is nothing for users to hate. And those are visual, not functional "issues".
Wow, then you must not be hearing correctly. I work at a mid size law firm in the IT dept. Guess what, 4 lawyers hate the new Win8, and one secretary say's it's interesting. None of the users here have stated about liking it at all. I guess all the major experts of UI design stating that the UI is totally backwards and is counter productive is just a fluke? Yes, I have read multiple articles from multiple people in the UI field about this. Win8 is a major failure on desktops period. Major base of those desktops are PC gamers…. you know the 12 Million WOW users (World of Warcraft), and all the other games running as well. What MS is going to do is push those users aside for the what 500K to 1 million tablet users they may get, just because they want to to “tabletize” windows? Smart, the needs of the few outdo the needs of the many. Yes Win8 can run most stuff Win7 can, but we seen this in the past of the kernel change, just for the fun of it. Who is to say that SP1 or even Win9 next year or two don’t fully tabelize it and kill the PC game industry. Blizzard will not be to happy about that. Just like upgraded a user from Office 2003 to Office 2010, and she complained about the font being different. I just explained it’s just MS doing what it likes to do, change things to what they want regardless of what the user wants.
As for topic, yes, this will make many corps rethink when to upgrade, if to upgrade at all. Now you have to pay more money, great. Just what our Finance Committee loves to hear. It’s how do I still work for the least amount of money to spend. This will drive some to look at alternatives. Just like Win8 will drive some to MAC. If they have to relearn a whole new UI, then might as well try a MAC, since they are seeing some of their co-workers still with the same unit for years and still running without issues. Esp the ones that felt that way with Vista, new UI, that went to MAC. They start using and liking for personal use, they will start pushing for business use.
... I am saying that to say MS is doomed is just as short sighted as those who said Apple was doomed.
That might be true if there were similarities between the companies, their positions in the industry and/or the people running them. But there aren't, so your argument by analogy falls more than a bit flat. Without radical change at Microsoft, they will not only become increasingly irrelevant, but they'll very soon find that the foundation has eroded out from under them. Better analogies for Microsoft's situation are Nokia, RIM and IBM. IBM, however, managed to reinvent themselves, while continuing to syphon mainframe revenues. Microsoft may not be that lucky because, even though it seems they have a tight "lock-in" with their customers, that lock-in is increasingly illusory. This current step indicates that they overestimate their customer's dependency on them in the long run.
I don't think it will go well in the long run. Before the iPad was ever announced I was on these forums adamantly stating that any tablet by Apple not use Mac OS and be successful. I stated that it had to be an iOS-based OS with a UI to fit the device. I think this where MS doesn't get it or simply can't let go. You make your IDE and OS work well between the OSes you have for different platforms but you make the UI feel natural and idealized for each device type, not try to make the same one work across all devices.
I've also been using Win Server 2012*. I think that can fair better but that's because admins will know there way around the OS and users will likely only access shares and services.
* I use VMWare Fusion on my Mac but since that app is a consumer app, unlike Citrix XenServer it doesn't create virtual networks that allow multiple Win servers to interact in a domain. That's no longer an issue with this free utility: http://nickapedia.com/2012/01/10/breaking-new-ground-an-uber-tool-for-the-mac/
I do look at boot times, but mostly as an indication of core efficiency changes between OSes. If the OS starts up 50% faster it's likely other areas of the code base have also been more efficient.
Windows boot times are more affected by the number of services and drivers you have to load at boot time. Keep those to an absolute minimum.
Goodluck runnig your ERP systems with intergrated security model on your $20 license. Active Directory for one is so pervasive across the corporate landscape its very difficult to achieve the same with other tools.
The unified back office make repetitive tasks easier. Picture you Mac server back end... now ad 30 SQL databases 3 exchages servers, multiple SAP instances and 10000+ user base , a mixed bag of OSes and LANs all over the world administered from a central location. Try administer that on your $20 a server infrastructure and see how far you get.
Obviously nothing is impossible and if a corporate was to ditch Windows as a back office system. Apple will be the last place they will look.... there is a reason Linux controls +90% of the supercomputer market the rest shared amongst other unix flavours( not OSX ) and WinTel.
to bad... when you use windows server stuff, they include/require you to be "roofied", thus can not Adequately changeover your infrastructure without some serious knowledge and perseverance...
thus, those that use linux/unix from database/server stuff, knew the Precautions against getting "roofied" /Facetious
"Once you go Windows... You don't go back" ... and microsoft knows this , along with the fact that when you have a Critical computing infrastructure in your the company, you don't mess with it... and you are stuck.
Forgive my lack of clarity, I am not saying Apple is doomed, far from it - I am saying that to say MS is doomed is just as short sighted as those who said Apple was doomed.
Steve Ballmer hopes that nobody remembers that the same people who got them into the current situation are not the people that will get them out of it.
And thus opens the door for competition to undercut Microsoft, saving companies money from both Microsoft licensing fees and purchasing specific devices for their employees.
It's like raising taxes %u2013 higher costs/taxes just motivate people to get around it in more creative ways rather than just pay it.
Microsoft is opening the door to its own demise more and more . . . .
Windows boot times are more affected by the number of services and drivers you have to load at boot time. Keep those to an absolute minimum.
Sure, but when you take two different OSes on the same HW with the same basic setup and get very different start up times you can gauge whether an OS's underlying code was updated for the better or not.
We usually see eye-to-eye but on this issue I just don't see enough data to make the claim that Apple messed up. It's certainly possible Apple messed up here, but the odd would say that Apple ha made more mistakes in ways we've never even considered because the mistake isn't something we'd notice or the issue had plenty of other pluses that could absurd any ripples before it got to the end user.
All we know is that Apple made a claim and they so far been on point (and I think it's a safe bet that the 27" iMac will ship in December).
Then there is the fact that this isn't the first time this has happened with Apple. As previously noted it's happened under Steve Jobs many times. Again, we don't have enough info to know what series of event led to this unusual release date and any speculation as to why it happened and who is to blame is just that, speculation.
Nikon these comments (especially words I highlighted in bold) bothered me, since I read in a few articles, where corporate World are not ready to upgrade to Windows 8 and their give negative feedback on metro style touchscreen interface. So I thought before anyone starts stating that I am pulling words out of the air, I found the article which I had read, see below.
Small business maybe migrating, but established business are not moved from Windows 7 and some not even from XP!
BTW: I got my first blue screen from Windows 8 today, well not blue, but the bloody software stopped working and I had to physically pull my computer plug out the socket. I think my iMac had indigestion.
Corporate is slow to upgrade in general, as it requires a lot of resources - time and money, with constant danger of unexpected downtime due to unforeseen reasons, regardless of how well transition was planned - to roll such update across the company.
I live and work in New Zealand, where companies are much smaller and inertia is equally not as pronounced as in really large corporates.
We have moved all our large customers to Windows 7 over last two years, which we consider huge success (even in smaller and more dynamic environment such as NZ is). I'm not expecting them to upgrade company-wide again this soon, regardless of how good or bad 8 would be for them.
But. Some of them will allow employees - especially management - to bring their own laptops and have them configured as required. We are insisting on standardised machines for main workforce - currently those are current HP EliteBooks P for laptops, and some execs see them too bulky. This is where 8 machines are trickling into our bigger users. Small users are buying their own machines outside of channel supplies, so that is another way of 8 to "sneak" in business - again, this is for company I work for, and scenario we are facing.
I don't think it will go well in the long run. Before the iPad was ever announced I was on these forums adamantly stating that any tablet by Apple not use Mac OS and be successful. I stated that it had to be an iOS-based OS with a UI to fit the device. I think this where MS doesn't get it or simply can't let go. You make your IDE and OS work well between the OSes you have for different platforms but you make the UI feel natural and idealized for each device type, not try to make the same one work across all devices.
I've also been using Win Server 2012*. I think that can fair better but that's because admins will know there way around the OS and users will likely only access shares and services.
* I use VMWare Fusion on my Mac but since that app is a consumer app, unlike Citrix XenServer it doesn't create virtual networks that allow multiple Win servers to interact in a domain. That's no longer an issue with this free utility: http://nickapedia.com/2012/01/10/breaking-new-ground-an-uber-tool-for-the-mac/
I do look at boot times, but mostly as an indication of core efficiency changes between OSes. If the OS starts up 50% faster it's likely other areas of the code base have also been more efficient.
Possible. I'm not saying that Metro on non-touch devices is the best way to go. Or the only way to go. I'm just saying it is functional and, short of some eye-candy (at least for people who cannot go without Aero) is improvement over 7. Personally, I was expecting MS to offer a way for users to lock into Desktop mode - business users in particular are unlikely to use built-in Mail, Calendar, People... and some will not even be allowed to freely download apps, so Metro doesn't bring anything to them. But I can also see people completely living in Metro and using only snack-size apps for their mailing, photos, videos, music, social needs... and I think that, for such people at least, there is potential benefit in unified GUI across devices. If nothing else, I'm expecting MS to benefit from all that Metro exposure.
[SIZE=10pt]Wow, then you must not be hearing correctly. I work at a mid size law firm in the IT dept. Guess what, 4 lawyers hate the new Win8, and one secretary say's it's interesting. None of the users here have stated about liking it at all. I guess all the major experts of UI design stating that the UI is totally backwards and is counter productive is just a fluke? [/SIZE]Yes, I have read multiple articles from multiple people in the UI field about this. Win8 is a major failure on desktops period.
I cannot answer you this one. Coincidently, we don't have any lawers among our customers. Maybe we are just lucky with more reasonable, down to earth users..?
Windows 8 is not failure. Metro GUI might be (on desktops), but underneath, Windows 8 can just as well be best Windows ever. And forcing Windows 8 at users can be fixed in single patch. Dismissing everything Windows 8 is just because of disliking Metro is, at best, irresponsible.
Major base of those desktops are PC gamers…. you know the 12 Million WOW users (World of Warcraft), and all the other games running as well. What MS is going to do is push those users aside for the what 500K to 1 million tablet users they may get, just because they want to to “tabletize” windows? Smart, the needs of the few outdo the needs of the many. Yes Win8 can run most stuff Win7 can, but we seen this in the past of the kernel change, just for the fun of it. Who is to say that SP1 or even Win9 next year or two don’t fully tabelize it and kill the PC game industry. Blizzard will not be to happy about that. Just like upgraded a user from Office 2003 to Office 2010, and she complained about the font being different. I just explained it’s just MS doing what it likes to do, change things to what they want regardless of what the user wants.
Like I said, Pc users always complain. Look around, so many people still say that they don't need/want to replace their XP. XP is more than 10 years old, for old and new Gods sake. That is ancient history in IT.
I also just happen to be a PC gamer, and I have no issues with Windows 8 for gaming. 12 mil WOW gamers, and every other, have nothing to worry right now. Will MS decide to drop PC gaming and (try to) hoard gamers and developers under Xbox, well, that is possible (though not probable, IMHO) but nothing to do with Windows 8. It's like arguing about Apple's consideration to move away from Intel - it is possible, but it does not affect people who are buying Macs today.
[SIZE=10pt]As for topic, yes, this will make many corps rethink when to upgrade, if to upgrade at all. Now you have to pay more money, great. Just what our Finance Committee loves to hear. It’s how do I still work for the least amount of money to spend. This will drive some to look at alternatives. Just like Win8 will drive some to MAC. If they have to relearn a whole new UI, then might as well try a MAC, since they are seeing some of their co-workers still with the same unit for years and still running without issues. Esp the ones that felt that way with Vista, new UI, that went to MAC. They start using and liking for personal use, they will start pushing for business use. [/SIZE]
Sigh. But they don't have to re-learn whole OS. They have to click on Desktop tile and use Windows like they used to. Or ask their IT to apply one of already available Desktop-default solutions. Do you really think that doing that is as complex as buying new hardware, learning staff new OS, training/re-employing IT people to be able to support new OS, changing their Active Domain practices (group policies etc) to work with devices with different, non-Windows OS, providing all the printer and other (if any) drivers for new platform, and replacing (and again, re-training) all their applications with versions and alternatives (if) available on Mac..?
What bullshit! Do you really think all the horrible reviews of WIN 8 and RT are somehow totally off base? Or that people can't read? And one must wonder why the fired the guy in charge of development as soon as they released this pig.
And what reviews would that be? Anandtech reviews are quite enthusiastic about Windows 8 RT at least. Still waiting to see their 8 desktop review. Endgadget, PCWorld reviews are fine. I don't bother reading little blogger IT-mesiah-wannabie "reviews", life is too short for nonsense.
People can read (mostly), and a lot of people do read, but only what they want to see. It is not hard to find heavily biased reviews of everything and anything. For every "How horrible Win 8 is" review, you can find one "How horrible iPhone is" or "How horrible iPad is" fanboy "review". All pointless.
Oh, that might not be it. Can never remember anything. It's the graphics driver that's supposed to, you know, apply. The Boot Camp drivers don't work for 8 yet, so I have to resort to Microsoft's "solution". But nope; it forgets that my monitor exists, so it's back to 640x480 every time I boot if I restart instead of shut down.
Oh. Best part. The Boot Camp driver DOES work. Whenever it goes to 640x480, if I go in to device/driver/revert to last driver, it works just fine. But then it doesn't work on the next boot, so I have to then redownload WMMD (WDDM? That's probably it…) again. And poof, it works again. Until the next boot.
It's an endless cycle of lies.
I have found some info on WDDM 1.1 issues on Windows 8 for old Intel HD integrated graphics. What are you using?
I have found some info on WDDM 1.1 issues on Windows 8 for old Intel HD integrated graphics. What are you using?
Radeon 4870. ATI, I believe, has stated they've dropped support for the 4xxx series in Windows 8 (which is a frigging crock, as that's only three years old), so I realized there would be bugs, but I figured Microsoft would themselves have a workaround with a generic driver. And they do! But, as I've said, it doesn't work… perfectly.
I'll just wait for the official Boot Camp driver to support it properly again, as I originally intended.
In what way do you think they are relevant? What trends in computing, or technology generally, are taking, or have taken, direction from Microsoft lately? They've been irrelevant to computing for at least the last five years, perhaps even longer.
In this moment of time, Microsoft and Windows related OSes, applications and services are pretty much the petrol of IT world.
Not because they are better than alternatives - some alternatives might be better, and some of them probably are - but because everyone uses them.
I work in IT, and I am at least 8 hours a day surrounded by Windows servers, desktops, laptops, Windows services, applications both Microsoft, 3rd party and custom made. I have some clues how much everyday functioning in every aspect of our life depends on Microsoft product functioning well. Idea of everything MS stopping to function in some magical event is simply mind-numbing. The world would stop. Not figuratively. Literally.
It actually scares me. I don't like idea of whole world depending that much on single company and single line of products. But it is reality.
Petrol is actually easier to replace as petrol engines are individual entities. You buy Tesla or Nissan Leaf or whatever electric car, charge it and join the traffic. You replace your laptop with iPad or Android tablet and you find out you cannot join your business traffic, as your new device cannot join AD, cannot have group policies applied, cannot have access to shared files, and you cannot open them even if you find a way to dump them on your device as you don't have compatible software. Yes, I am exaggerating it (if only a bit), but I'm pretty sure you'll get the meaning.
And that bloggist is telling me they are irrelevant. Because Apple sold that many iPads and iPhones. Because people learned browsing Internet and watching YouTube is easier on tablet. Because trends are this and that. I'm finding hard to compare trends with reality, and announce reality irrelevant because of the trends. Likewise, I'm finding hard to believe you are serious.
Radeon 4870. ATI, I believe, has stated they've dropped support for the 4xxx series in Windows 8 (which is a frigging crock, as that's only three years old), so I realized there would be bugs, but I figured Microsoft would themselves have a workaround with a generic driver. And they do! But, as I've said, it doesn't work… perfectly.
I'll just wait for the official Boot Camp driver to support it properly again, as I originally intended.
I'm really sorry that you are having that problem. I'd still put it more on AMD than on MS. It would be a bit unrealistic expecting MS to fully support everything original manufacturers have stopped supporting. Though current ATI 4000 driver is dated 9/25/2012 which is reasonably fresh, which leaves hope ATI might release new one.
Possible. I'm not saying that Metro on non-touch devices is the best way to go. Or the only way to go. I'm just saying it is functional and, short of some eye-candy (at least for people who cannot go without Aero) is improvement over 7. Personally, I was expecting MS to offer a way for users to lock into Desktop mode - business users in particular are unlikely to use built-in Mail, Calendar, People... and some will not even be allowed to freely download apps, so Metro doesn't bring anything to them. But I can also see people completely living in Metro and using only snack-size apps for their mailing, photos, videos, music, social needs... and I think that, for such people at least, there is potential benefit in unified GUI across devices. If nothing else, I'm expecting MS to benefit from all that Metro exposure.
Yeah, it's functional, but so is a Blackberry phone circa 2004. That doesn't mean it's a good fit for today's market. If MS did what they did with Win8 years before Apple introduced any device using CocoaTouch I think MS would have killed in the tablet space and we might have had an iPad before we ever had an iPhone.
Now is it more functional than Win7? Are tasks natural and normal than using the iOS or even Android OS? Does it make sense to have to go through so much rigamarole to change the orientation on the Surface? I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by nikon133
Honestly? I'm yet to see a person that I know to be using Windows 8 and hating it. Beside having it on half our computers, Win 8 machines have started leaking into our corporate users. Since all of them are using business apps which run on desktop, all of Metro they see is Start screen, which some like, and some are indifferent. No haters yet. After that, business is as usual. If you ignore meddling with Windows (which corporate users don't do anyway), using your applications on Windows 8 really does not differ from using them on Windows 7.
Beside that, 8 boots much faster than 7, seems to be very stable, gives nice perks like multi-boot from VHDs, handles updates better and have number of tweaks compared to Windows 7. Beside agreeing or disagreeing with visual dissonance between Metro and desktop, and lack of Aero on desktop, there is nothing for users to hate. And those are visual, not functional "issues".
Wow, then you must not be hearing correctly. I work at a mid size law firm in the IT dept. Guess what, 4 lawyers hate the new Win8, and one secretary say's it's interesting. None of the users here have stated about liking it at all. I guess all the major experts of UI design stating that the UI is totally backwards and is counter productive is just a fluke? Yes, I have read multiple articles from multiple people in the UI field about this. Win8 is a major failure on desktops period. Major base of those desktops are PC gamers…. you know the 12 Million WOW users (World of Warcraft), and all the other games running as well. What MS is going to do is push those users aside for the what 500K to 1 million tablet users they may get, just because they want to to “tabletize” windows? Smart, the needs of the few outdo the needs of the many. Yes Win8 can run most stuff Win7 can, but we seen this in the past of the kernel change, just for the fun of it. Who is to say that SP1 or even Win9 next year or two don’t fully tabelize it and kill the PC game industry. Blizzard will not be to happy about that. Just like upgraded a user from Office 2003 to Office 2010, and she complained about the font being different. I just explained it’s just MS doing what it likes to do, change things to what they want regardless of what the user wants.
As for topic, yes, this will make many corps rethink when to upgrade, if to upgrade at all. Now you have to pay more money, great. Just what our Finance Committee loves to hear. It’s how do I still work for the least amount of money to spend. This will drive some to look at alternatives. Just like Win8 will drive some to MAC. If they have to relearn a whole new UI, then might as well try a MAC, since they are seeing some of their co-workers still with the same unit for years and still running without issues. Esp the ones that felt that way with Vista, new UI, that went to MAC. They start using and liking for personal use, they will start pushing for business use.
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... I am saying that to say MS is doomed is just as short sighted as those who said Apple was doomed.
That might be true if there were similarities between the companies, their positions in the industry and/or the people running them. But there aren't, so your argument by analogy falls more than a bit flat. Without radical change at Microsoft, they will not only become increasingly irrelevant, but they'll very soon find that the foundation has eroded out from under them. Better analogies for Microsoft's situation are Nokia, RIM and IBM. IBM, however, managed to reinvent themselves, while continuing to syphon mainframe revenues. Microsoft may not be that lucky because, even though it seems they have a tight "lock-in" with their customers, that lock-in is increasingly illusory. This current step indicates that they overestimate their customer's dependency on them in the long run.
Windows boot times are more affected by the number of services and drivers you have to load at boot time. Keep those to an absolute minimum.
Windows 8 is great. It's like a wedding of great features.
to bad... when you use windows server stuff, they include/require you to be "roofied", thus can not Adequately changeover your infrastructure without some serious knowledge and perseverance...
thus, those that use linux/unix from database/server stuff, knew the Precautions against getting "roofied" /Facetious
"Once you go Windows... You don't go back" ... and microsoft knows this , along with the fact that when you have a Critical computing infrastructure in your the company, you don't mess with it... and you are stuck.
Steve Ballmer hopes that nobody remembers that the same people who got them into the current situation are not the people that will get them out of it.
It's like raising taxes %u2013 higher costs/taxes just motivate people to get around it in more creative ways rather than just pay it.
Microsoft is opening the door to its own demise more and more . . . .
Sure, but when you take two different OSes on the same HW with the same basic setup and get very different start up times you can gauge whether an OS's underlying code was updated for the better or not.
We usually see eye-to-eye but on this issue I just don't see enough data to make the claim that Apple messed up. It's certainly possible Apple messed up here, but the odd would say that Apple ha made more mistakes in ways we've never even considered because the mistake isn't something we'd notice or the issue had plenty of other pluses that could absurd any ripples before it got to the end user.
All we know is that Apple made a claim and they so far been on point (and I think it's a safe bet that the 27" iMac will ship in December).
Then there is the fact that this isn't the first time this has happened with Apple. As previously noted it's happened under Steve Jobs many times. Again, we don't have enough info to know what series of event led to this unusual release date and any speculation as to why it happened and who is to blame is just that, speculation.
Corporate is slow to upgrade in general, as it requires a lot of resources - time and money, with constant danger of unexpected downtime due to unforeseen reasons, regardless of how well transition was planned - to roll such update across the company.
I live and work in New Zealand, where companies are much smaller and inertia is equally not as pronounced as in really large corporates.
We have moved all our large customers to Windows 7 over last two years, which we consider huge success (even in smaller and more dynamic environment such as NZ is). I'm not expecting them to upgrade company-wide again this soon, regardless of how good or bad 8 would be for them.
But. Some of them will allow employees - especially management - to bring their own laptops and have them configured as required. We are insisting on standardised machines for main workforce - currently those are current HP EliteBooks P for laptops, and some execs see them too bulky. This is where 8 machines are trickling into our bigger users. Small users are buying their own machines outside of channel supplies, so that is another way of 8 to "sneak" in business - again, this is for company I work for, and scenario we are facing.
Possible. I'm not saying that Metro on non-touch devices is the best way to go. Or the only way to go. I'm just saying it is functional and, short of some eye-candy (at least for people who cannot go without Aero) is improvement over 7. Personally, I was expecting MS to offer a way for users to lock into Desktop mode - business users in particular are unlikely to use built-in Mail, Calendar, People... and some will not even be allowed to freely download apps, so Metro doesn't bring anything to them. But I can also see people completely living in Metro and using only snack-size apps for their mailing, photos, videos, music, social needs... and I think that, for such people at least, there is potential benefit in unified GUI across devices. If nothing else, I'm expecting MS to benefit from all that Metro exposure.
I cannot answer you this one. Coincidently, we don't have any lawers among our customers. Maybe we are just lucky with more reasonable, down to earth users..?
Windows 8 is not failure. Metro GUI might be (on desktops), but underneath, Windows 8 can just as well be best Windows ever. And forcing Windows 8 at users can be fixed in single patch. Dismissing everything Windows 8 is just because of disliking Metro is, at best, irresponsible.
Like I said, Pc users always complain. Look around, so many people still say that they don't need/want to replace their XP. XP is more than 10 years old, for old and new Gods sake. That is ancient history in IT.
I also just happen to be a PC gamer, and I have no issues with Windows 8 for gaming. 12 mil WOW gamers, and every other, have nothing to worry right now. Will MS decide to drop PC gaming and (try to) hoard gamers and developers under Xbox, well, that is possible (though not probable, IMHO) but nothing to do with Windows 8. It's like arguing about Apple's consideration to move away from Intel - it is possible, but it does not affect people who are buying Macs today.
Sigh. But they don't have to re-learn whole OS. They have to click on Desktop tile and use Windows like they used to. Or ask their IT to apply one of already available Desktop-default solutions. Do you really think that doing that is as complex as buying new hardware, learning staff new OS, training/re-employing IT people to be able to support new OS, changing their Active Domain practices (group policies etc) to work with devices with different, non-Windows OS, providing all the printer and other (if any) drivers for new platform, and replacing (and again, re-training) all their applications with versions and alternatives (if) available on Mac..?
And what reviews would that be? Anandtech reviews are quite enthusiastic about Windows 8 RT at least. Still waiting to see their 8 desktop review. Endgadget, PCWorld reviews are fine. I don't bother reading little blogger IT-mesiah-wannabie "reviews", life is too short for nonsense.
People can read (mostly), and a lot of people do read, but only what they want to see. It is not hard to find heavily biased reviews of everything and anything. For every "How horrible Win 8 is" review, you can find one "How horrible iPhone is" or "How horrible iPad is" fanboy "review". All pointless.
I have found some info on WDDM 1.1 issues on Windows 8 for old Intel HD integrated graphics. What are you using?
Originally Posted by nikon133
I have found some info on WDDM 1.1 issues on Windows 8 for old Intel HD integrated graphics. What are you using?
Radeon 4870. ATI, I believe, has stated they've dropped support for the 4xxx series in Windows 8 (which is a frigging crock, as that's only three years old), so I realized there would be bugs, but I figured Microsoft would themselves have a workaround with a generic driver. And they do! But, as I've said, it doesn't work… perfectly.
I'll just wait for the official Boot Camp driver to support it properly again, as I originally intended.
In this moment of time, Microsoft and Windows related OSes, applications and services are pretty much the petrol of IT world.
Not because they are better than alternatives - some alternatives might be better, and some of them probably are - but because everyone uses them.
I work in IT, and I am at least 8 hours a day surrounded by Windows servers, desktops, laptops, Windows services, applications both Microsoft, 3rd party and custom made. I have some clues how much everyday functioning in every aspect of our life depends on Microsoft product functioning well. Idea of everything MS stopping to function in some magical event is simply mind-numbing. The world would stop. Not figuratively. Literally.
It actually scares me. I don't like idea of whole world depending that much on single company and single line of products. But it is reality.
Petrol is actually easier to replace as petrol engines are individual entities. You buy Tesla or Nissan Leaf or whatever electric car, charge it and join the traffic. You replace your laptop with iPad or Android tablet and you find out you cannot join your business traffic, as your new device cannot join AD, cannot have group policies applied, cannot have access to shared files, and you cannot open them even if you find a way to dump them on your device as you don't have compatible software. Yes, I am exaggerating it (if only a bit), but I'm pretty sure you'll get the meaning.
And that bloggist is telling me they are irrelevant. Because Apple sold that many iPads and iPhones. Because people learned browsing Internet and watching YouTube is easier on tablet. Because trends are this and that. I'm finding hard to compare trends with reality, and announce reality irrelevant because of the trends. Likewise, I'm finding hard to believe you are serious.
I'm really sorry that you are having that problem. I'd still put it more on AMD than on MS. It would be a bit unrealistic expecting MS to fully support everything original manufacturers have stopped supporting. Though current ATI 4000 driver is dated 9/25/2012 which is reasonably fresh, which leaves hope ATI might release new one.
Yeah, it's functional, but so is a Blackberry phone circa 2004. That doesn't mean it's a good fit for today's market. If MS did what they did with Win8 years before Apple introduced any device using CocoaTouch I think MS would have killed in the tablet space and we might have had an iPad before we ever had an iPhone.
Now is it more functional than Win7? Are tasks natural and normal than using the iOS or even Android OS? Does it make sense to have to go through so much rigamarole to change the orientation on the Surface? I don't think so.
I'll bite. What are the many viable alternatives to Active Directory?