Android is not fully open source go read the article, and if you want go look up the 9 circuit court docs on it. Google admitted that android is not fully opensource themselves. It came from there lawyers mouths not mine. and IM NOT SPREADING LIES. If you read the article it talks about how they withold api's from the open source version on there download and release them when they feel like it sometimes years latter after a new version has come out.
do you understand the difference between google apps and android. Android is fully open, google apps are not. Anyone can take the android coke and do as they wish.
Android is open source and there is no proof that it is not what you read was about the Open android Alliance and google apps and the play store which has nothing to do with ASOP.
When Larry Page is talking about innovation, he's probably talking about things like Google Earth, Maps, and Books back in the day, and more recently Project Glass, the self-driving car, and their fiber network.
Stuff like Android originally wasn't originally developed by Google, they bought Android.
Let's face it, Google has evolved far beyond a search engine, and stuff like Project Glass and the self-driving car are more than a little innovative... Who wouldn't love going to the bar, getting trashed, and having your own car drive you home?
Google Earth started with a buy out of EarthViewer 3D. Google Maps was based on the work of Sydney's Where2 Technologies that Google purchased in 2004. Mercedes Benz began working on a driverless car in the 1980s. "Though head-worn displays for augmented reality are not a new idea" states the wikipedia entry on Project Glass.
Where is the innovation, Google? Where is the disruptive product? We're waiting.
Back in 2011 google refused to release the source code for honeycomb, It was even confirmed by google. They said that maybe they would release it in the future once there way of doing things in it was firmly entrenched in the developer community. Those are googles words not mine. Google wants to be android known as the open os but in truth there are just as many closed parts to it as there are with other OS's. They like being known as the Open os but there not. the open source gpu states very clearly that all code will be made public not some, and if not they forfeit there license. Google can't tell everyone there os is fully open then refuse to publish the code. Its that simple and yet its what they have done.
Any developer using open source code under the gpu who contributes to googles code code for android under gpu could sue google and win. There is no second chance with gnu. One violation and your done. Its made that way on purpose. So that it remains open. Googles answer is to say its open and keep promising to release the all of the code someday. With a lot of the parts that has not happened yet like the full source for honeycomb. And by googles own admission it may never happen. The still do the same thing with the current android as well. They just need to stop telling people that all of android is open and admit that a semi walled garden is how it is. Google is the one lying not me.
wrong. Google makes all the code public, except for their apps and the google play store. the only difference between the android that samsung gets and the one on the ASOP website are google apps.
How can you tell me android is not open with Amazon Kindle fire android products.
There is Android the open source project.
then there is the android handset alliance.
two different things.
Android alliance gets access to google apps and google play store. That is the only difference between the two. But with the perks on the google apps comes rules. the most important is that you can't fork android.
Google Earth started with a buy out of EarthViewer 3D. Google Maps was based on the work of Sydney's Where2 Technologies that Google purchased in 2004. Mercedes Benz began working on a driverless car in the 1980s. "Though head-worn displays for augmented reality are not a new idea" states the wikipedia entry on Project Glass.
Where is the innovation, Google? Where is the disruptive product? We're waiting.
do you understand the difference between google apps and android. Android is fully open, google apps are not. Anyone can take the android coke and do as they wish.
Android is open source and there is no proof that it is not what you read was about the Open android Alliance and google apps and the play store which has nothing to do with ASOP.
Correct but im not talking about apps, im talking about api's google does not release all of the api's used in androids developement they hold by there own admission a lot of them in house and dont release them to the public, which then violates the GNU license. But I dont think your going to listen to me so im done. Again this is common public knowledge about android not being open, but you believe what you want to. Call me a liar if you like it wont change the facts one bit. Android is not open. Google cant cherry pic what they use the have to give all of the code including the private api's or they loose there GNU Standing. I wont comment any further as there is no point.
Correct but im not talking about apps, im talking about api's google does not release all of the api's used in androids developement they hold by there own admission a lot of them in house and dont release them to the public, which then violates the GNU license. But I dont think your going to listen to me so im done. Again this is common public knowledge about android not being open, but you believe what you want to. Call me a liar if you like it wont change the facts one bit. Android is not open. I wont comment any further as there is no point.
so your saying google doesnt release how they build android, they just release the android they build? Because anyone can add code to asop, sony does all the time.
If I do that will Google try to get me to sign up to Google + like they do everywhere else?
Gotta watch those check boxes.
I need an apple account to use anything apple. At least I can use most of google services without having google force me to join anything. Can you even use apple maps without being forced to sign up for apple account, can you use anything apple without an account?
so your saying google doesnt release how they build android, they just release the android they build? Because anyone can add code to asop, sony does all the time.
I give you a link and you seems to annoyed the information, ever though the writer talks about ANDROID operating system and not apps. Keep going with you closed mind argument, it is really working for you.
You have not provided us a factual link except the Open android web site, which supported by Google and there are numerous news columns and factual evidence on web site concerning the validity of Google open source claim.
I do not pity the person who knows he not smart because he understands his limitations and works within that environment. It is the person who thinks he smart and he does not know it, that I feel sorry for. Same with your argument
I give you a link and you seems to annoyed the information, ever though the writer talks about ANDROID operating system and not apps. Keep going with you closed mind argument, it is really working for you.
You have not provided us a factual link except the Open android web site, which supported by Google and there are numerous news columns and factual evidence on web site concerning the validity of Google open source claim.
I do not pity the person who knows he not smart because he understands his limitations and works within that environment. It is the person who thinks he smart and he does not know it, that I feel sorry for. Same with your argument
The article you gave me talks about how google wont release how is builds android, not android itself. and it was a very poor article, it didnt state what android microsoft was asking for. Because off course google wont give them the android that has google apps included. The article was confusing.
Google's self driving cars are by far the most important thing that is happening right now. This will change humanity much more than the iPhone and iPad. Apple is just sitting on a 130 billion instead of investing hard in real breakthroughs. For example, I think if they decide to invest 20 billion in battery research, I'm sure they could come up with a battery that last 30 or more days.
Those links don't relate to any of the products cited by Mike above, or the examples thrown up by Larry.
Google's data centres run search - so 1998, gmail - so 2000, run YouTube - so 2004.
Regarding the latter article:
"To be sure, Google’s ascendance builds on decades of contributions from dozens of equally unheralded computer scientists from many companies and research institutions, including PARC and Bell Labs. And like Google, Amazon was also a major influence on the foundations of the net"
Sounds like iteration to me.
I'm wondering what Google will do next to transform an industry in the same manner that Apple shook up the music business with iTunes and the iPod, changed mobile phones with the iPhone, and set the standard for tablets. Come on, blow our minds, Google!
Those links don't relate to any of the products cited by Mike above, or the examples thrown up by Larry.
Google's data centres run search - so 1998, gmail - so 2000, run YouTube - so 2004.
Regarding the latter article:
"To be sure, Google’s ascendance builds on decades of contributions from dozens of equally unheralded computer scientists from many companies and research institutions, including PARC and Bell Labs. And like Google, Amazon was also a major influence on the foundations of the net"
Sounds like iteration to me.
I'm wondering what Google will do next to transform an industry in the same manner that Apple shook up the music business with iTunes and the iPod, changed mobile phones with the iPhone, and set the standard for tablets. Come on, blow our minds, Google!
The article you gave me talks about how google wont release how is builds android, not android itself. and it was a very poor article, it didnt state what android microsoft was asking for. Because off course google wont give them the android that has google apps included. The article was confusing.
more information needed.
The article clearly stated there is MASSIVE issue with Google's claim about Open SOURCE! Now you provide me link other than Google supported that show factual evidence, it is OPEN SOURCE!
One of the things I love about google, they are not afraid to fail, and the bigger they fail the more they try.
Oh for those who says google doesnt innovate, ha. The web/cloud as we know it today is built off of Google's innovations in servers and server management. icould, facebook, wouldn't exist without the ground breaking work google has done on the server side.
So google, keep building your crazy fiber network, keep fighting for internet freedom, keep investing billions in green energy, keep building weird looking glasses. Every company has their culture, and Google culture of pie in the sky, internet is a right attitude is an important one in the tech industry.
Also keep stealing people's private informations, or force us to give it up. Yay!
Those links don't relate to any of the products cited by Mike above, or the examples thrown up by Larry.
Google's data centres run search - so 1998, gmail - so 2000, run YouTube - so 2004.
Regarding the latter article:
"To be sure, Google’s ascendance builds on decades of contributions from dozens of equally unheralded computer scientists from many companies and research institutions, including PARC and Bell Labs. And like Google, Amazon was also a major influence on the foundations of the net"
Sounds like iteration to me.
I'm wondering what Google will do next to transform an industry in the same manner that Apple shook up the music business with iTunes and the iPod, changed mobile phones with the iPhone, and set the standard for tablets. Come on, blow our minds, Google!
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
and the iphone wasn't an iteration.
browser
touch screen
apps
notifications
apple wasn't near to first to have any of them
Iphone and google search are comparable. Yes there was yahoo, and altavista, but google built the complete consumer package. Yes there was Windows mobile and Nokia but Apple built the complete consumer package.
Iphone and google search are comparable. Yes there was yahoo, and altavista, but google built the complete consumer package. Yes there was Windows mobile and Nokia but Apple built the complete consumer package.
The article clearly stated there is MASSIVE issue with Google's claim about Open SOURCE! Now you provide me link other than Google supported that show factual evidence, it is OPEN SOURCE!
according to that article nothing is open sourced. the highest is 83% so nothing is fully open sourced. So according to that article android is open, just not as open as you liked it to be.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
Android is not fully open source go read the article, and if you want go look up the 9 circuit court docs on it. Google admitted that android is not fully opensource themselves. It came from there lawyers mouths not mine. and IM NOT SPREADING LIES. If you read the article it talks about how they withold api's from the open source version on there download and release them when they feel like it sometimes years latter after a new version has come out.
do you understand the difference between google apps and android. Android is fully open, google apps are not. Anyone can take the android coke and do as they wish.
http://source.android.com/ ;
there is the website.
Android is open source and there is no proof that it is not what you read was about the Open android Alliance and google apps and the play store which has nothing to do with ASOP.
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Originally Posted by Mikeb85
When Larry Page is talking about innovation, he's probably talking about things like Google Earth, Maps, and Books back in the day, and more recently Project Glass, the self-driving car, and their fiber network.
Stuff like Android originally wasn't originally developed by Google, they bought Android.
Let's face it, Google has evolved far beyond a search engine, and stuff like Project Glass and the self-driving car are more than a little innovative... Who wouldn't love going to the bar, getting trashed, and having your own car drive you home?
Google Earth started with a buy out of EarthViewer 3D. Google Maps was based on the work of Sydney's Where2 Technologies that Google purchased in 2004. Mercedes Benz began working on a driverless car in the 1980s. "Though head-worn displays for augmented reality are not a new idea" states the wikipedia entry on Project Glass.
Where is the innovation, Google? Where is the disruptive product? We're waiting.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
Back in 2011 google refused to release the source code for honeycomb, It was even confirmed by google. They said that maybe they would release it in the future once there way of doing things in it was firmly entrenched in the developer community. Those are googles words not mine. Google wants to be android known as the open os but in truth there are just as many closed parts to it as there are with other OS's. They like being known as the Open os but there not. the open source gpu states very clearly that all code will be made public not some, and if not they forfeit there license. Google can't tell everyone there os is fully open then refuse to publish the code. Its that simple and yet its what they have done.
Any developer using open source code under the gpu who contributes to googles code code for android under gpu could sue google and win. There is no second chance with gnu. One violation and your done. Its made that way on purpose. So that it remains open. Googles answer is to say its open and keep promising to release the all of the code someday. With a lot of the parts that has not happened yet like the full source for honeycomb. And by googles own admission it may never happen. The still do the same thing with the current android as well. They just need to stop telling people that all of android is open and admit that a semi walled garden is how it is. Google is the one lying not me.
wrong. Google makes all the code public, except for their apps and the google play store. the only difference between the android that samsung gets and the one on the ASOP website are google apps.
How can you tell me android is not open with Amazon Kindle fire android products.
There is Android the open source project.
then there is the android handset alliance.
two different things.
Android alliance gets access to google apps and google play store. That is the only difference between the two. But with the perks on the google apps comes rules. the most important is that you can't fork android.
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Originally Posted by sennen
Google Earth started with a buy out of EarthViewer 3D. Google Maps was based on the work of Sydney's Where2 Technologies that Google purchased in 2004. Mercedes Benz began working on a driverless car in the 1980s. "Though head-worn displays for augmented reality are not a new idea" states the wikipedia entry on Project Glass.
Where is the innovation, Google? Where is the disruptive product? We're waiting.
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/ff-inside-google-data-center/
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/google-as-xerox-parc/?rm
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
do you understand the difference between google apps and android. Android is fully open, google apps are not. Anyone can take the android coke and do as they wish.
http://source.android.com/ ;
there is the website.
Android is open source and there is no proof that it is not what you read was about the Open android Alliance and google apps and the play store which has nothing to do with ASOP.
Correct but im not talking about apps, im talking about api's google does not release all of the api's used in androids developement they hold by there own admission a lot of them in house and dont release them to the public, which then violates the GNU license. But I dont think your going to listen to me so im done. Again this is common public knowledge about android not being open, but you believe what you want to. Call me a liar if you like it wont change the facts one bit. Android is not open. Google cant cherry pic what they use the have to give all of the code including the private api's or they loose there GNU Standing. I wont comment any further as there is no point.
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Originally Posted by Mechanic
Correct but im not talking about apps, im talking about api's google does not release all of the api's used in androids developement they hold by there own admission a lot of them in house and dont release them to the public, which then violates the GNU license. But I dont think your going to listen to me so im done. Again this is common public knowledge about android not being open, but you believe what you want to. Call me a liar if you like it wont change the facts one bit. Android is not open. I wont comment any further as there is no point.
so your saying google doesnt release how they build android, they just release the android they build? Because anyone can add code to asop, sony does all the time.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
Apple is different how, no one invents anything anymore. Apple didnt invent anything, they have improved, just like google has.
Look up "google now"
If I do that will Google try to get me to sign up to Google + like they do everywhere else?
Gotta watch those check boxes.
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Originally Posted by hill60
If I do that will Google try to get me to sign up to Google + like they do everywhere else?
Gotta watch those check boxes.
I need an apple account to use anything apple. At least I can use most of google services without having google force me to join anything. Can you even use apple maps without being forced to sign up for apple account, can you use anything apple without an account?
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
so your saying google doesnt release how they build android, they just release the android they build? Because anyone can add code to asop, sony does all the time.
I give you a link and you seems to annoyed the information, ever though the writer talks about ANDROID operating system and not apps. Keep going with you closed mind argument, it is really working for you.
You have not provided us a factual link except the Open android web site, which supported by Google and there are numerous news columns and factual evidence on web site concerning the validity of Google open source claim.
I do not pity the person who knows he not smart because he understands his limitations and works within that environment. It is the person who thinks he smart and he does not know it, that I feel sorry for. Same with your argument
Just like Google to ask others to drum up more innovation for them to copy.
Android= poor iPhone.
Google+= poor Facebook.
Lol@google mentioning these two.
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
I give you a link and you seems to annoyed the information, ever though the writer talks about ANDROID operating system and not apps. Keep going with you closed mind argument, it is really working for you.
You have not provided us a factual link except the Open android web site, which supported by Google and there are numerous news columns and factual evidence on web site concerning the validity of Google open source claim.
I do not pity the person who knows he not smart because he understands his limitations and works within that environment. It is the person who thinks he smart and he does not know it, that I feel sorry for. Same with your argument
The article you gave me talks about how google wont release how is builds android, not android itself. and it was a very poor article, it didnt state what android microsoft was asking for. Because off course google wont give them the android that has google apps included. The article was confusing.
more information needed.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/ff-inside-google-data-center/
http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/google-as-xerox-parc/?rm
Those links don't relate to any of the products cited by Mike above, or the examples thrown up by Larry.
Google's data centres run search - so 1998, gmail - so 2000, run YouTube - so 2004.
Regarding the latter article:
"To be sure, Google’s ascendance builds on decades of contributions from dozens of equally unheralded computer scientists from many companies and research institutions, including PARC and Bell Labs. And like Google, Amazon was also a major influence on the foundations of the net"
Sounds like iteration to me.
I'm wondering what Google will do next to transform an industry in the same manner that Apple shook up the music business with iTunes and the iPod, changed mobile phones with the iPhone, and set the standard for tablets. Come on, blow our minds, Google!
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Originally Posted by sennen
Those links don't relate to any of the products cited by Mike above, or the examples thrown up by Larry.
Google's data centres run search - so 1998, gmail - so 2000, run YouTube - so 2004.
Regarding the latter article:
"To be sure, Google’s ascendance builds on decades of contributions from dozens of equally unheralded computer scientists from many companies and research institutions, including PARC and Bell Labs. And like Google, Amazon was also a major influence on the foundations of the net"
Sounds like iteration to me.
I'm wondering what Google will do next to transform an industry in the same manner that Apple shook up the music business with iTunes and the iPod, changed mobile phones with the iPhone, and set the standard for tablets. Come on, blow our minds, Google!
and the iphone wasn't an iteration.
browser
touch screen
apps
notifications
apple wasn't near to first to have any of them
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
The article you gave me talks about how google wont release how is builds android, not android itself. and it was a very poor article, it didnt state what android microsoft was asking for. Because off course google wont give them the android that has google apps included. The article was confusing.
more information needed.
The article clearly stated there is MASSIVE issue with Google's claim about Open SOURCE! Now you provide me link other than Google supported that show factual evidence, it is OPEN SOURCE!
Here something especially for you http://www.visionmobile.com/rsc/researchreports/Open Governance Index (VisionMobile).pdf
Here is article that referenced that study, http://www.pcworld.com/article/246140/is_android_open_not_so_much_study_finds.html hope you stop misquoting the facts now.
Also keep stealing people's private informations, or force us to give it up. Yay!
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Originally Posted by sennen
Those links don't relate to any of the products cited by Mike above, or the examples thrown up by Larry.
Google's data centres run search - so 1998, gmail - so 2000, run YouTube - so 2004.
Regarding the latter article:
"To be sure, Google’s ascendance builds on decades of contributions from dozens of equally unheralded computer scientists from many companies and research institutions, including PARC and Bell Labs. And like Google, Amazon was also a major influence on the foundations of the net"
Sounds like iteration to me.
I'm wondering what Google will do next to transform an industry in the same manner that Apple shook up the music business with iTunes and the iPod, changed mobile phones with the iPhone, and set the standard for tablets. Come on, blow our minds, Google!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Techstalker
and the iphone wasn't an iteration.
browser
touch screen
apps
notifications
apple wasn't near to first to have any of them
Iphone and google search are comparable. Yes there was yahoo, and altavista, but google built the complete consumer package. Yes there was Windows mobile and Nokia but Apple built the complete consumer package.
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
and the iphone wasn't an iteration.
browser
touch screen
apps
notifications
apple wasn't near to first to have any of them
It was the first to have all the above in a truly usable device. It disrupted an industry - that is a fact.
Where is the innovation, Google? Where is the disruptive product? We're waiting. We want to buy it now!
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Originally Posted by Techstalker
Iphone and google search are comparable. Yes there was yahoo, and altavista, but google built the complete consumer package. Yes there was Windows mobile and Nokia but Apple built the complete consumer package.
Google Search, c.1998. It's been 14 years.
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Originally Posted by souliisoul
The article clearly stated there is MASSIVE issue with Google's claim about Open SOURCE! Now you provide me link other than Google supported that show factual evidence, it is OPEN SOURCE!
Here something especially for you http://www.visionmobile.com/rsc/researchreports/Open Governance Index (VisionMobile).pdf
Here is article that referenced that study, http://www.pcworld.com/article/246140/is_android_open_not_so_much_study_finds.html hope you stop misquoting the facts now.
according to that article nothing is open sourced. the highest is 83% so nothing is fully open sourced. So according to that article android is open, just not as open as you liked it to be.