There are skeptics. Stephen Roach, chief global economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, suspects that e-commerce is being oversold, though he admits it's growing rapidly. "I question if it'll ever be big."
Roach is a very famous and highly regarded analyst--I wonder how many people remember that he said this.
There was a page recently about that.
Everyone can be wrong, and the Internet took a lot of people by surprise.
For the first time in my life as an admitted Apple fanboy since all the way back to the Apple II I am starting to become bored and disappointed with Apple's idea of "innovation". I don't think hardware updates will excite me any longer. I get the feeling that OS XI (or whatever it will be called) and a radical new iOS interface will be what really wows me again...
It's not a "product innovation." It's not even an innovative "product strategy."
But it is a good and very effective "product strategy" for Apple's to make this offering, which is Dan's point. A seemingly innocuous product offering that's very profitable for Apple, and cannot be duplicated by competitors (unless they want to lose money.)
My personal computing paradigm recently shifted from laptops back to desktops, which provide at least twice more horsepower for content creation at half of what laptops cost. When I need a computing device on the go, I use my iPads.
Agreed- This is a path that could likely emerge. Robust portable devices on the go , powerful desktops, all link via the cloud.
Laptop growth may be what's most severely impacted in the coming years. My Ipad is used all the time, Laptop ( as a portable) never
leaves its perch. I will not replace my Laptop, ( tethered to a monitor ) Likely getting a Mac mini or IMac instead.
PS- Liked the article. Though long, it provides context. Something missing from most every news source. I may not agree with everything, but
I appreciate the effort. Folks should lighten -up.
Fun to read the comments.... "Fanboy, reading a lot into storage, drank the koolaid" all very funny.
But his history is dead on, and the logic is sound. If, and is it just if, but if Apple can get some companies and individuals to look at that storage size as not just useful but maybe a future proofing, this becomes self fulfilling. Developers start to think that maybe that huge business class app had a market after all, or that yes, video editing is viable now that you have room to store all the video. A few new must have apps show up, others jump on the band wagon. Next time I buy an iPad I wonder, is this size enough? Sure it is now, but look at some of these new apps... Maybe I up size a step. People upsizing encourages the devs, who make even more impressive apps.
In a year, if this happens, and Apple is selling mostly 64 and 128 pads, how many of those commenting will apologize for their comments?
Yeah.
So your point is "because the world might change and Apple might turn out to sell lots of 128GB iPads, DED hasn't written a lame sloppy piece of fanboyism"?
I'd rather he puts on his leather catsuit and go spy on Cupertino's plans to push out iPad 5... also, he should post a pic of that.
As I get older I am less excited by new-ness. I appreciate good design and innovation but I have come to appreciate David Filo's disdain for upgrading:
Agreed. I too tire of hearing about everything needing new updates/form-factor revisions/faster/smaller/lighter on a bi-annual basis. It kind of pisses me off. Maybe because i have better things to do with my money than to throw away $600 annually on a new iPad. My first-run Gen 2 iPad is great. My only complaint is the weight. Retina is over-rated and not necessary for the user experience. it's just an added bonus.
Apple has this amazing way of even making either previous models look like absolute sh*t compared to the new stuff. Remember Shiller's comment when he compared the new iMac to the old?
having a visible and accessible file system is not the point of the iPad.
Oh, "all those 'CAD files'" get stored in Autodesk's "cloud" as part of the App. So no need for extra storage there.
The lack of a file system is OK if you have a few files. Once you get get past a few dozen within the same app organization starts to become a problem. With hundreds of files it becomes unusable. I attended a legal proceeding and tried to load up the textual evidence on an iPad. Even though there were hundreds if not thousands of files they fit on my 32Gb iPad. Trying to find the file being referenced by the lawyers was next to impossible. Windows or Mac OS laptops worked quite well though. The iPad had enough horsepower to do the work but the file organization made it useless. I can't imagine what it would be like with a full 128Gb of files. I'm pretty sure that Apple will address this in future versions of iOS.
Apple has this amazing way of even making either previous models look like absolute sh*t compared to the new stuff. Remember Shiller's comment when he compared the new iMac to the old?
Well, I still love the Cube, and I'm not particularly "wowsed" by the latest iMac's look. I do want the specs.
Why buy a Molex when you can buy a Rolex? Don't Apple's imitators realize that the existence of the Molex proves the value of the Rolex?
I hope Apple prevails on all their design patents, but not for their sake. Right now there is only one way to do things: Apple's way. If Apple's imitators are forced to be creative, they might produce products that are really better than Apple instead of just as good as Apple.
In the course of a conversation, I showed someone a video on my iPhone. He immediately said, "Wow! Look at the sharpness! Look at the colors! That's fantastic." Then he pulled out his chunky Android phone to demonstrate how mine was better. I wonder what brand his next phone is going to be.
The lack of a file system is OK if you have a few files. Once you get get past a few dozen within the same app organization starts to become a problem. With hundreds of files it becomes unusable. I attended a legal proceeding and tried to load up the textual evidence on an iPad. Even though there were hundreds if not thousands of files they fit on my 32Gb iPad. Trying to find the file being referenced by the lawyers was next to impossible. Windows or Mac OS laptops worked quite well though. The iPad had enough horsepower to do the work but the file organization made it useless. I can't imagine what it would be like with a full 128Gb of files. I'm pretty sure that Apple will address this in future versions of iOS.
Given, for example, Adobe's Premiere Pro has an amazing Speech-to-text ability, you might be right. An Apple feature that would have you ask Siri for a specific file (video, photo, soundbite...) with a description "Siri, get me the movie where the Extraterrestrial flies a bike over a house", "Siri, get me the picture where ET gets his phone bill"... would be awesome!
Now I think, as will all AI's reactive posts after Apple announcements, that Dilger is claiming Apple's strategies are vastly superior to competitors. He's missing the point. There are two different strategies between the Android Tablets and the iPad with regards to storage. Some Android tablets offer expansion slots. Something many people critique Apple for not addressing. With a 64gb SD card available now for a little as $50 retail, that still beats the iPad on price alone...Now i'm not saying that's a better or worse solution, just a different way of achieving the same goal [increased total storage].
Given, for example, Adobe's Premiere Pro has an amazing Speech-to-text ability, you might be right. An Apple feature that would have you ask Siri for a specific file (video, photo, soundbite...) with a description "Siri, get me the movie where the Extraterrestrial flies a bike over a house", "Siri, get me the picture where ET gets his phone bill"... would be awesome!
I would hate to be the one in the back of a court room speaking into my iPad. LOL...
"To begin with, the iPad 4 only has space for a single NAND flash chip — and Samsung only recently released the first single-chip 128GB solution."
Is it true that Samsung is currently Apple's sole supplier for the NAND chips on this new iPad?
Don't know if Samsung is Apple's sole supplier. But do know that other companies have been producing 128 GB NAND chips for ~ 1 yr.
ExtremeTech's article is silly, BTW. Why does everything Apple does have to be examined under the microscope of "innovation"? Apple certainly isn't announcing it as such.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
I think that mode suited you well. Stick with it.
Isn't that very harsh?
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Originally Posted by Retrogusto
Great link. This was hilarious:
There are skeptics. Stephen Roach, chief global economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, suspects that e-commerce is being oversold, though he admits it's growing rapidly. "I question if it'll ever be big."
Roach is a very famous and highly regarded analyst--I wonder how many people remember that he said this.
There was a page recently about that.
Everyone can be wrong, and the Internet took a lot of people by surprise.
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Originally Posted by Rothgarr
For the first time in my life as an admitted Apple fanboy since all the way back to the Apple II I am starting to become bored and disappointed with Apple's idea of "innovation". I don't think hardware updates will excite me any longer. I get the feeling that OS XI (or whatever it will be called) and a radical new iOS interface will be what really wows me again...
It's not a "product innovation." It's not even an innovative "product strategy."
But it is a good and very effective "product strategy" for Apple's to make this offering, which is Dan's point. A seemingly innocuous product offering that's very profitable for Apple, and cannot be duplicated by competitors (unless they want to lose money.)
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Originally Posted by lightknight
Apple doesn't have a crystal ball, it has a crack team of designers/engineers/innovators.
That team can hardly be asked to be changing the world several times a year, while still making a (huge) profit ^^
????
Your reply doesn't seem to have any bearing on my comment. Maybe Lunchy's comment, but not mine.
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My personal computing paradigm recently shifted from laptops back to desktops, which provide at least twice more horsepower for content creation at half of what laptops cost. When I need a computing device on the go, I use my iPads.
Agreed- This is a path that could likely emerge. Robust portable devices on the go , powerful desktops, all link via the cloud.
Laptop growth may be what's most severely impacted in the coming years. My Ipad is used all the time, Laptop ( as a portable) never
leaves its perch. I will not replace my Laptop, ( tethered to a monitor ) Likely getting a Mac mini or IMac instead.
PS- Liked the article. Though long, it provides context. Something missing from most every news source. I may not agree with everything, but
I appreciate the effort. Folks should lighten -up.
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Originally Posted by shen
Fun to read the comments.... "Fanboy, reading a lot into storage, drank the koolaid" all very funny.
But his history is dead on, and the logic is sound. If, and is it just if, but if Apple can get some companies and individuals to look at that storage size as not just useful but maybe a future proofing, this becomes self fulfilling. Developers start to think that maybe that huge business class app had a market after all, or that yes, video editing is viable now that you have room to store all the video. A few new must have apps show up, others jump on the band wagon. Next time I buy an iPad I wonder, is this size enough? Sure it is now, but look at some of these new apps... Maybe I up size a step. People upsizing encourages the devs, who make even more impressive apps.
In a year, if this happens, and Apple is selling mostly 64 and 128 pads, how many of those commenting will apologize for their comments?
Yeah.
So your point is "because the world might change and Apple might turn out to sell lots of 128GB iPads, DED hasn't written a lame sloppy piece of fanboyism"?
I'd rather he puts on his leather catsuit and go spy on Cupertino's plans to push out iPad 5... also, he should post a pic of that.
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Originally Posted by paxman
As I get older I am less excited by new-ness. I appreciate good design and innovation but I have come to appreciate David Filo's disdain for upgrading:
Agreed. I too tire of hearing about everything needing new updates/form-factor revisions/faster/smaller/lighter on a bi-annual basis. It kind of pisses me off. Maybe because i have better things to do with my money than to throw away $600 annually on a new iPad. My first-run Gen 2 iPad is great. My only complaint is the weight. Retina is over-rated and not necessary for the user experience. it's just an added bonus.
Apple has this amazing way of even making either previous models look like absolute sh*t compared to the new stuff. Remember Shiller's comment when he compared the new iMac to the old?
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Originally Posted by island hermit
????
Your reply doesn't seem to have any bearing on my comment. Maybe Lunchy's comment, but not mine.
I was reinforcing your point, sorry if I wasn't clear
Originally Posted by shen
In a year, if this happens, and Apple is selling mostly 64 and 128 pads, how many of those commenting will apologize for their comments?
Don't worry; that won't be the case unless they stop selling all other sizes.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
having a visible and accessible file system is not the point of the iPad.
Oh, "all those 'CAD files'" get stored in Autodesk's "cloud" as part of the App. So no need for extra storage there.
The lack of a file system is OK if you have a few files. Once you get get past a few dozen within the same app organization starts to become a problem. With hundreds of files it becomes unusable. I attended a legal proceeding and tried to load up the textual evidence on an iPad. Even though there were hundreds if not thousands of files they fit on my 32Gb iPad. Trying to find the file being referenced by the lawyers was next to impossible. Windows or Mac OS laptops worked quite well though. The iPad had enough horsepower to do the work but the file organization made it useless. I can't imagine what it would be like with a full 128Gb of files. I'm pretty sure that Apple will address this in future versions of iOS.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
Apple has this amazing way of even making either previous models look like absolute sh*t compared to the new stuff. Remember Shiller's comment when he compared the new iMac to the old?
Well, I still love the Cube, and I'm not particularly "wowsed" by the latest iMac's look. I do want the specs.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
I'd love to see Apple create a home server that's so simple to use, and you can access it as a remote desktop on any Apple device you own.
Old Apple was about delivering solutions that liberated us from centralized dependencies.
New Apple is about creating centralized dependencies that continually feed subscription revenues.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Don't worry; that won't be the case unless they stop selling all other sizes.
Agreed - this 128 bump is for the people who complained that 64 wasn't enough ( they are now claiming that 128 is too expensive)
I hope Apple prevails on all their design patents, but not for their sake. Right now there is only one way to do things: Apple's way. If Apple's imitators are forced to be creative, they might produce products that are really better than Apple instead of just as good as Apple.
In the course of a conversation, I showed someone a video on my iPhone. He immediately said, "Wow! Look at the sharpness! Look at the colors! That's fantastic." Then he pulled out his chunky Android phone to demonstrate how mine was better. I wonder what brand his next phone is going to be.
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Originally Posted by tjwal
The lack of a file system is OK if you have a few files. Once you get get past a few dozen within the same app organization starts to become a problem. With hundreds of files it becomes unusable. I attended a legal proceeding and tried to load up the textual evidence on an iPad. Even though there were hundreds if not thousands of files they fit on my 32Gb iPad. Trying to find the file being referenced by the lawyers was next to impossible. Windows or Mac OS laptops worked quite well though. The iPad had enough horsepower to do the work but the file organization made it useless. I can't imagine what it would be like with a full 128Gb of files. I'm pretty sure that Apple will address this in future versions of iOS.
Given, for example, Adobe's Premiere Pro has an amazing Speech-to-text ability, you might be right. An Apple feature that would have you ask Siri for a specific file (video, photo, soundbite...) with a description "Siri, get me the movie where the Extraterrestrial flies a bike over a house", "Siri, get me the picture where ET gets his phone bill"... would be awesome!
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Originally Posted by antkm1
Now I think, as will all AI's reactive posts after Apple announcements, that Dilger is claiming Apple's strategies are vastly superior to competitors. He's missing the point. There are two different strategies between the Android Tablets and the iPad with regards to storage. Some Android tablets offer expansion slots. Something many people critique Apple for not addressing. With a 64gb SD card available now for a little as $50 retail, that still beats the iPad on price alone...Now i'm not saying that's a better or worse solution, just a different way of achieving the same goal [increased total storage].
...Jesus, do you know how to use space or what!
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Originally Posted by lightknight
Given, for example, Adobe's Premiere Pro has an amazing Speech-to-text ability, you might be right. An Apple feature that would have you ask Siri for a specific file (video, photo, soundbite...) with a description "Siri, get me the movie where the Extraterrestrial flies a bike over a house", "Siri, get me the picture where ET gets his phone bill"... would be awesome!
I would hate to be the one in the back of a court room speaking into my iPad. LOL...
Meanwhile... today RIM is releasing the new and innovative* Blackberry 10!
(*in 2007)
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
ExtremeTech raised that question, but with a twist:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/147034-apple-releases-over-priced-128gb-ipad-4-is-this-really-technological-innovation
The article includes this note:
"To begin with, the iPad 4 only has space for a single NAND flash chip — and Samsung only recently released the first single-chip 128GB solution."
Is it true that Samsung is currently Apple's sole supplier for the NAND chips on this new iPad?
Don't know if Samsung is Apple's sole supplier. But do know that other companies have been producing 128 GB NAND chips for ~ 1 yr.
ExtremeTech's article is silly, BTW. Why does everything Apple does have to be examined under the microscope of "innovation"? Apple certainly isn't announcing it as such.