Is it me? WTH is up with the Wall Street Journal? I mean they are literally after Apples hide.. Is it me or is anyone seeing the vitriol spewing thick from them of late? Seriously
So Cook regrets not waiting to launch the new iMac because be didn't want people to wait for the new model when instead they could have waited for the announcement. I hate waiting when I'm waiting. I'd rather wait while I'm not waiting. (Insert X-zibit meme here.).
They should not have announced it until it was ready to ship. They lost sales of the old model be wise not everyone knows one is coming out.
Rather than pasting in here what Apple marketing is telling you, why not consider the fact that I own the product and use it every day, owned the 3 previous models, and love the company. They don't just sound worse, they sound noticeably worse. You can put them it side by side with the previous model and it's laughable. I did just that, but you don't need to go that far, because it's totally obvious. I'm big into my music. Like I said, the best way to describe it is it's as if the music sounds like its being funnelled through a street construction cone thanks to the thin chin.
Bummer. I was amazed when I got the rMBP. The sound quality was substantially better than my old MBP I was stunned. Too bad they went backward.
Is it me? WTH is up with the Wall Street Journal? I mean they are literally after Apples hide.. Is it me or is anyone seeing the vitriol spewing thick from them of late? Seriously
Walt Mossberg does still work for them so I'd say it's just you. Stop being paranoid, first it was the NYT and now it's the WSJ.
But he doesn't wish the speakers weren't shit. Which they are. This is my forth iMac and it has by far the worst audio. I use it for music all the time while I work on it, I detest add-on speakers. It annoys me that innovation of the iMac has come to not rate audio quality as near as important as just plain thinness. Design is about trade offs and I can tell you they've made the wrong ones with this iMac. While the bass is good and the treble piercing, the mid range is completely gone and the whole sound sounds like it's been funnelled through a street construction cone, thanks to its thin chin. It was so bad when I first heard it I was actually in shock.
Well, you could stop 'detesting add-on speakers' -- like most of the rest of the world that likes to listen to music -- and you'd not have much to whine about?
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
Deleting the optical drive just forces people to buy an external, since it's not something that most users can do without.
And on a desktop computer there is NO advantage to be gained by making it thin.
Tim Cook should:
A. Apologize for the stupid design.
B. Offer free replacements with the previous model for anyone who had to buy this dog.
Well, you could stop 'detesting add-on speakers' -- like most of the rest of the world that likes to listen to music -- and you'd not have much to whine about?
If not, just suck it up.
This.
He's supposedly an audiophile, yet "detests" add-on speakers? Huh? Even a cheap pair of entry level Creative Labs 2.1 speakers blows the very best set of built in speakers right out of the water in terms of range and frequency response. I'm not wild about clutter either, which is why I have a nice soundbar from Yamaha mounted on the wall behind my 27" monitor, and the subwoofer under my desk. It fills the entire room with rich, clean sound but is barely noticeable to guests unless I point it out.
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
Or you could just use a heat gun, some patience, and follow the directions clearly laid out at iFixit on removing the screen. I'm not excusing the fact that it's asinine to require this level of difficulty just to upgrade the ram, to say anything of reaching the hard drive, but you're making it out to be more destructive than it needs to be. If you have to cut the foam tape to open an iMac, you probably shouldn't be opening an iMac.
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
Totally agree here.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
This is why I reject the iMac, eventually you will need to get to a service item.
Deleting the optical drive just forces people to buy an external, since it's not something that most users can do without.
Well this I disagree with. Opticals don't mean much to many of us.
And on a desktop computer there is NO advantage to be gained by making it thin.
Thin isn't the problem, it is the unserviceable nature of the machine that is a problem.
Tim Cook should:
A. Apologize for the stupid design.
B. Offer free replacements with the previous model for anyone who had to buy this dog.
Deleting the optical drive just forces people to buy an external, since it's not something that most users can do without.
I took out my optical drive in my 2009 27 inch iMac because it was never used. It was replaced with an SSD and I created a Fusion drive configuration. Much more useful.
Well I wish that Tim Cook and Jony Ives had never gone down this "thin iMac" path. Where is the value for users in a desktop computer that is a few millimetres thinner at the expense of being more difficult to manufacture and almost impossible to service? A user cannot even add a RAM module (on the 22 inch model) - adding RAM requires a trip to the service department. Madness! Thickness is relevant for mobile devices; it is utterly irrelevant for desktops. If they want to improve the iMac design move the ports to the side so that one doesn't have to lean over the top of the screen and grope around the back for a spare USB port! Hell, they can do it on every MacBook, why not on the iMac? Oh, and increase the miserly number of USB ports - we don't all have the latest version of wireless-connected cameras, backup disks etc. Apart from these idiotic design features iMacs are nice machines.
Is it me? WTH is up with the Wall Street Journal? I mean they are literally after Apples hide.. Is it me or is anyone seeing the vitriol spewing thick from them of late? Seriously
I guess seeing Tim Cook having lunch with President Obama really sent them off the deep end.
Well I wish that Tim Cook and Jony Ives had never gone down this "thin iMac" path. Where is the value for users in a desktop computer that is a few millimetres thinner at the expense of being more difficult to manufacture and almost impossible to service? A user cannot even add a RAM module (on the 22 inch model) - adding RAM requires a trip to the service department. Madness! Thickness is relevant for mobile devices; it is utterly irrelevant for desktops. If they want to improve the iMac design move the ports to the side so that one doesn't have to lean over the top of the screen and grope around the back for a spare USB port! Hell, they can do it on every MacBook, why not on the iMac? Oh, and increase the miserly number of USB ports - we don't all have the latest version of wireless-connected cameras, backup disks etc. Apart from these idiotic design features iMacs are nice machines.
1) You've ignored every relevant reason why this made sense for Apple to make.
2) I've now heard from two Apple techs that they like this new model better than the last for doing repairs. It's hard to get into but it's easier to put back together properly.
3) If you really want more USB ports and ports that are easier to access then buy a damn hub. And don't complain that it ruins the aesthetics because all your bellyaching is about ruining the aesthetics to suit your specific wants.
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
Deleting the optical drive just forces people to buy an external, since it's not something that most users can do without.
And on a desktop computer there is NO advantage to be gained by making it thin.
Tim Cook should:
A. Apologize for the stupid design.
B. Offer free replacements with the previous model for anyone who had to buy this dog.
Or do what most people do when they think a product is "an amazingly stupid design"… just don't buy one?
derp?
I won't likely buy a 21" iMac anytime soon anyway, but I like the smaller footprint and lowered reflectivity of the new design. My 2010 iMac had some minor reflection and "under the glass dust" issues… the new 27" has neither of those problems. And I can use a VESA mount, which is the cat's meow, let me tell you.
I have no real complaints. I did buy an external superdrive to service my all my drive-less machines, but have only used it twice. I do like that I only had to pay for one external drive than three unused ones in three machines...
No, Tim, for my new 27" machines, no apology is necessary…
I debated even being honest with my speaker comment because you get replies like yours. Goodbye.
I'm on you with this one.
I've been recently discussing with colleague about futility of going anorexic for a desktop while sacrificing features.
His opinion was "well if you need ODD, get external one, and if you don't like the position of card reader, get an external one".
My opinion was "I'd rather have 1cm - or more! - of occupied space behind screen that I am not using anyway while saving space on my desk that I actually do use. Plus - what is the point of having AIO if you need that many external devices?"
I didn't even know about sound, and I don't think he did either. However - are you sure it is not your unit rather than general problem?
I've been recently discussing with colleague about futility of going anorexic for a desktop while sacrificing features.
His opinion was "well if you need ODD, get external one, and if you don't like the position of card reader, get an external one".
My opinion was "I'd rather have 1cm - or more! - of occupied space behind screen that I am not using anyway while saving space on my desk that I actually do use. Plus - what is the point of having AIO if you need that many external devices?"
I didn't even know about sound, and I don't think he did either. However - are you sure it is not your unit rather than general problem?
What you'd rather have is not important to Apple. They care about what their customers would rather have not a single customer. if you don't their options then don't buy their products. It's that fucking simple. You can say you wished they offered this feature over other features, but you can't say they are wrong by not catering to your specific needs and expect to come across as rational. If you really need an ODD in 2013 then why even think the 2012 iMac was a good fit for you in the first place. It just sounds like you're looking for shit to bitch about.
Well, you could stop 'detesting add-on speakers' -- like most of the rest of the world that likes to listen to music -- and you'd not have much to whine about?
If not, just suck it up.
Can anyone who considers themselves an audiophile seriously be using a computer's built in speakers for listening to music?
That's like crying the MacMini speakers suck -- but that's expected -- duh -- that's why I easily AirPlay my audio to any receiver with Apple TV. Whaaaaaa.
OT, I just bought an Apple TV over the weekend and as I played around with the remote, I heard some faint sound. I couldn't place it for a while and I assumed it was from outside.
It took me about 10 minutes to realise the sound was actually from my Mac Mini that I was using to feed the Apple TV! The remote was controlling the Mini's iTunes simultaneously. That was the first time I realised the Mini had speakers!
Tim should have waited on its iPad revamp last fall and it should have anticipated consumer demand for cheaper and also larger iPhone lines. Steve-o may have been a tech genius but he was not a business genius. His stubbornness nearly halted any iPad Mini (a huge success) and has placed a barrier around the iPhone's near-term design innovations. Yes, Samsung ripped off Apple. Get over it and kick their ass. Otherwise, keep quiet, slow your product releases to a crawl and see what happens. Cook had better be joking about waiting until fall to release new mobile products. They're already behind.
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Just don't read that rag, you're better off.
They should not have announced it until it was ready to ship. They lost sales of the old model be wise not everyone knows one is coming out.
Walt Mossberg does still work for them so I'd say it's just you. Stop being paranoid, first it was the NYT and now it's the WSJ.
Well, you could stop 'detesting add-on speakers' -- like most of the rest of the world that likes to listen to music -- and you'd not have much to whine about?
If not, just suck it up.
The current iMac is an amazingly stupid design.
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
Deleting the optical drive just forces people to buy an external, since it's not something that most users can do without.
And on a desktop computer there is NO advantage to be gained by making it thin.
Tim Cook should:
A. Apologize for the stupid design.
B. Offer free replacements with the previous model for anyone who had to buy this dog.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Well, you could stop 'detesting add-on speakers' -- like most of the rest of the world that likes to listen to music -- and you'd not have much to whine about?
If not, just suck it up.
This.
He's supposedly an audiophile, yet "detests" add-on speakers? Huh? Even a cheap pair of entry level Creative Labs 2.1 speakers blows the very best set of built in speakers right out of the water in terms of range and frequency response. I'm not wild about clutter either, which is why I have a nice soundbar from Yamaha mounted on the wall behind my 27" monitor, and the subwoofer under my desk. It fills the entire room with rich, clean sound but is barely noticeable to guests unless I point it out.
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Originally Posted by DarkVader
The current iMac is an amazingly stupid design.
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
Or you could just use a heat gun, some patience, and follow the directions clearly laid out at iFixit on removing the screen. I'm not excusing the fact that it's asinine to require this level of difficulty just to upgrade the ram, to say anything of reaching the hard drive, but you're making it out to be more destructive than it needs to be. If you have to cut the foam tape to open an iMac, you probably shouldn't be opening an iMac.
Here is the problem no body has to buy this crap.
Well I wish that Tim Cook and Jony Ives had never gone down this "thin iMac" path. Where is the value for users in a desktop computer that is a few millimetres thinner at the expense of being more difficult to manufacture and almost impossible to service? A user cannot even add a RAM module (on the 22 inch model) - adding RAM requires a trip to the service department. Madness! Thickness is relevant for mobile devices; it is utterly irrelevant for desktops. If they want to improve the iMac design move the ports to the side so that one doesn't have to lean over the top of the screen and grope around the back for a spare USB port! Hell, they can do it on every MacBook, why not on the iMac? Oh, and increase the miserly number of USB ports - we don't all have the latest version of wireless-connected cameras, backup disks etc. Apart from these idiotic design features iMacs are nice machines.
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Originally Posted by gijoeinla
Is it me? WTH is up with the Wall Street Journal? I mean they are literally after Apples hide.. Is it me or is anyone seeing the vitriol spewing thick from them of late? Seriously
I guess seeing Tim Cook having lunch with President Obama really sent them off the deep end.
1) You've ignored every relevant reason why this made sense for Apple to make.
2) I've now heard from two Apple techs that they like this new model better than the last for doing repairs. It's hard to get into but it's easier to put back together properly.
3) If you really want more USB ports and ports that are easier to access then buy a damn hub. And don't complain that it ruins the aesthetics because all your bellyaching is about ruining the aesthetics to suit your specific wants.
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Originally Posted by DarkVader
The current iMac is an amazingly stupid design.
I'm sorry, but having to cut into the machine in order to upgrade the RAM on the 21 is unbelievably braindead.
And you do have to cut into it, pulling the screen off requires that you cut through foam tape, which you cannot properly replace unless you have a contact at a service provider. You also have to cut into the machine on either model if you need to change the hard drive - and ALL hard drives are going to fail eventually.
Deleting the optical drive just forces people to buy an external, since it's not something that most users can do without.
And on a desktop computer there is NO advantage to be gained by making it thin.
Tim Cook should:
A. Apologize for the stupid design.
B. Offer free replacements with the previous model for anyone who had to buy this dog.
Or do what most people do when they think a product is "an amazingly stupid design"… just don't buy one?
derp?
I won't likely buy a 21" iMac anytime soon anyway, but I like the smaller footprint and lowered reflectivity of the new design. My 2010 iMac had some minor reflection and "under the glass dust" issues… the new 27" has neither of those problems. And I can use a VESA mount, which is the cat's meow, let me tell you.
I have no real complaints. I did buy an external superdrive to service my all my drive-less machines, but have only used it twice. I do like that I only had to pay for one external drive than three unused ones in three machines...
No, Tim, for my new 27" machines, no apology is necessary…
I'm on you with this one.
I've been recently discussing with colleague about futility of going anorexic for a desktop while sacrificing features.
His opinion was "well if you need ODD, get external one, and if you don't like the position of card reader, get an external one".
My opinion was "I'd rather have 1cm - or more! - of occupied space behind screen that I am not using anyway while saving space on my desk that I actually do use. Plus - what is the point of having AIO if you need that many external devices?"
I didn't even know about sound, and I don't think he did either. However - are you sure it is not your unit rather than general problem?
What you'd rather have is not important to Apple. They care about what their customers would rather have not a single customer. if you don't their options then don't buy their products. It's that fucking simple. You can say you wished they offered this feature over other features, but you can't say they are wrong by not catering to your specific needs and expect to come across as rational. If you really need an ODD in 2013 then why even think the 2012 iMac was a good fit for you in the first place. It just sounds like you're looking for shit to bitch about.
Can anyone who considers themselves an audiophile seriously be using a computer's built in speakers for listening to music?
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Originally Posted by gijoeinla
That's like crying the MacMini speakers suck -- but that's expected -- duh -- that's why I easily AirPlay my audio to any receiver with Apple TV. Whaaaaaa.
OT, I just bought an Apple TV over the weekend and as I played around with the remote, I heard some faint sound. I couldn't place it for a while and I assumed it was from outside.
It took me about 10 minutes to realise the sound was actually from my Mac Mini that I was using to feed the Apple TV! The remote was controlling the Mini's iTunes simultaneously. That was the first time I realised the Mini had speakers!