I can open any email client from my computer, click attach, open a dropbox folder, and attach anything I've stored. What is the reason for iCloud not having this functionality? I can update my documents on google docs on my phone, turn on my computer, click on Drive and it's right there in front of me. Both dropbox and google docs (whose interface admittedly blows...but it works so I use it for all my work) do this on any device, any computer. When iCloud does this, I'll use it. Edit: It's not as though I'm cheering for the "other guys"...but lack of functionality is simply that.
It's really not an issue. As that chart shows they've used synonyms for the same species before. It's really about what sounds good.
That said, putting iOS and OS X together into one event does lean toward even more unification between the two OSes. This is a good thing as iOS grew from the foundations of OS X and OS X has never been better by adopting elements from iOS. It also helps that iPhone and iPad users can move to a Mac and instantly understand many aspects of it with little to no training even if they've only ever used Windows. This continuing linking between the two OSes makes me think Lynx might be an ideal name for OS X 10.9.
I think aside from the cat name "debacle" the real problem Apple has, is that OS X itself is a huge brand for them. This means that they can't really switch to "OS XI" because that would be meaningless and destroy the brand while at the same time replacing it with nothing special. There is a public perception that after "10.10" they have to change to something else however. They either have to create a totally new brand to replace OS X, or just move ahead with 10.11, 10.12, 10.13, change the cats to something else, and then try to forget about the fact that the whole mess is awkward and silly looking/sounding.
First, I don't know what "public perception" you're referring to that would demand a change of the "OS X" branding when they get to version 10.10. I suspect that the largest amount of the public doens't really know or care or think about version numbers all that much.
Second, the .8, .9, .10 thing could go on for a long time. The major version number (before the dot) indicates the major generation of the OS and as long is this is still considered the 10th generation on Mac OS, the "X" could stay.
Third, while it's true that "OS X" used to mean "OS 10", it seems, that has kinda morphed into a more generic "OS X" (as in OS ex, not 10). So, perhaps, it has just become a name and the roman number is meaningless.
Finally, I think Apple could move away from using numbers (a la OS 8, OS 9, OS X) altogether.
How about keeping iOS as it is and renaming Mac OS X as the iOS Development Platform?¡
Seriously though, why rename them at all. I quite like OS X as a brand but if they have to rename it I'd like to see xOS and iOS. I just like the way those look.
I think the why lies in simply brand streamlining and unification.
I don't know if it's a good idea or not. It certainly would have some drawbacks (possible confusion). My guess is it would actually have more benefits (including, possibly, less confusion to the average consumer.)
It would also suggest something of a unification and streamlining of the entire product line to reflect a set of products that are all part of a seamless and cohesive whole.
Third, while it's true that "OS X" used to mean "OS 10", it seems, that has kinda morphed into a more generic "OS X" (as in OS ex, not 10). So, perhaps, it has just become a name and the roman number is meaningless.
I have always referred to it as OS X (pronounced "ex") however it seems Apple's official pronunciation is "ten" as demonstrated in this recent video:
Isn't that usually the case, though? On any given issue, half the people are wrong.
Well I can't comment on the statistics about half the people being wrong on any given issue, the real thing here is that "right" or "wrong" is less important here than perceptions. Brands and marketing are about perceptions of the customer (and prospective customers) and overall market. Either way, Apple could easily streamline and get away from any confusion by just switching to iOS for everything.
Personally, I just wish they'd drop the "X" (and the NFL would do away with the fucking Roman numerals too!)
Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business, but X is cool. It is sort of "digital".
Well I can't comment on the statistics about half the people being wrong on any given issue, the real thing here is that "right" or "wrong" is less important here than perceptions. Brands and marketing are about perceptions of the customer (and prospective customers) and overall market. Either way, Apple could easily streamline and get away from any confusion by just switching to iOS for everything.
Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.
Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business, but X is cool. It is sort of "digital".
Yeah the "X" was kinda cool. But I think it's time has passed.
Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.
Which is all the more argument to streamline into one.
The fact that Apple had its second-best March quarter in history was overshadowed by his revealing that we have about 6 months to wait for new product news.
Endemic to an entitlement society. If Jesus changed water into wine today, tomorrow people would ask for Coke Zero.
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Ocelot or Lynx, perhaps Bobcat. All the commonly known big cats are taken already. Apple might have to abandon the cat naming soon.
I sure hope so. It was cute at one point. I feels like it's time to move on.
It's better than the Linux habit of random alliteration (new version Incontinent Icthyosaurus!) or Windows Appendation Advance 64.
Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.
mstone
Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business.
Apple announces WWDC [QR code], tickets available soon!
Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.
Yeah. Colors are definitely tricky. I just thought something like that might be kinda cool and fun and friendly.
It's better than the Linux habit of random alliteration (new version Incontinent Icthyosaurus!) or Windows Appendation Advance 64.
Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.
They have probably done some focus group studies of various user types. I think people like named product versions rather than just numbers. The thing with the cats is they only use big cats that are powerful. There are plenty of other cats and they are all predatory, just not as impressive as a lion or tiger.
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You don't send an iWork document from Mail...
You send it from the Share menu in iWork.
I can open any email client from my computer, click attach, open a dropbox folder, and attach anything I've stored. What is the reason for iCloud not having this functionality? I can update my documents on google docs on my phone, turn on my computer, click on Drive and it's right there in front of me. Both dropbox and google docs (whose interface admittedly blows...but it works so I use it for all my work) do this on any device, any computer. When iCloud does this, I'll use it. Edit: It's not as though I'm cheering for the "other guys"...but lack of functionality is simply that.
It's really not an issue. As that chart shows they've used synonyms for the same species before. It's really about what sounds good.
That said, putting iOS and OS X together into one event does lean toward even more unification between the two OSes. This is a good thing as iOS grew from the foundations of OS X and OS X has never been better by adopting elements from iOS. It also helps that iPhone and iPad users can move to a Mac and instantly understand many aspects of it with little to no training even if they've only ever used Windows. This continuing linking between the two OSes makes me think Lynx might be an ideal name for OS X 10.9.
You want to pronounce it, too? You people are so demanding¡
As I stated, I like the way it looks.
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I think aside from the cat name "debacle" the real problem Apple has, is that OS X itself is a huge brand for them. This means that they can't really switch to "OS XI" because that would be meaningless and destroy the brand while at the same time replacing it with nothing special. There is a public perception that after "10.10" they have to change to something else however. They either have to create a totally new brand to replace OS X, or just move ahead with 10.11, 10.12, 10.13, change the cats to something else, and then try to forget about the fact that the whole mess is awkward and silly looking/sounding.
First, I don't know what "public perception" you're referring to that would demand a change of the "OS X" branding when they get to version 10.10. I suspect that the largest amount of the public doens't really know or care or think about version numbers all that much.
Second, the .8, .9, .10 thing could go on for a long time. The major version number (before the dot) indicates the major generation of the OS and as long is this is still considered the 10th generation on Mac OS, the "X" could stay.
Third, while it's true that "OS X" used to mean "OS 10", it seems, that has kinda morphed into a more generic "OS X" (as in OS ex, not 10). So, perhaps, it has just become a name and the roman number is meaningless.
Finally, I think Apple could move away from using numbers (a la OS 8, OS 9, OS X) altogether.
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The X in OS X is pronounced 'ten' not 'ex'
Not by about half the people I run into.
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How about keeping iOS as it is and renaming Mac OS X as the iOS Development Platform?¡
Seriously though, why rename them at all. I quite like OS X as a brand but if they have to rename it I'd like to see xOS and iOS. I just like the way those look.
I think the why lies in simply brand streamlining and unification.
I don't know if it's a good idea or not. It certainly would have some drawbacks (possible confusion). My guess is it would actually have more benefits (including, possibly, less confusion to the average consumer.)
It would also suggest something of a unification and streamlining of the entire product line to reflect a set of products that are all part of a seamless and cohesive whole.
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Not by about half the people I run into.
Isn't that usually the case, though? On any given issue, half the people are wrong.
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Third, while it's true that "OS X" used to mean "OS 10", it seems, that has kinda morphed into a more generic "OS X" (as in OS ex, not 10). So, perhaps, it has just become a name and the roman number is meaningless.
I have always referred to it as OS X (pronounced "ex") however it seems Apple's official pronunciation is "ten" as demonstrated in this recent video:
http://www.apple.com/osx/#video
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Isn't that usually the case, though? On any given issue, half the people are wrong.
Well I can't comment on the statistics about half the people being wrong on any given issue, the real thing here is that "right" or "wrong" is less important here than perceptions. Brands and marketing are about perceptions of the customer (and prospective customers) and overall market. Either way, Apple could easily streamline and get away from any confusion by just switching to iOS for everything.
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I have always referred to it as OS X (pronounced "ex") however it seems Apple's official pronunciation is "ten" as demonstrated in this recent video:
http://www.apple.com/osx/#video
Understood. But I'm thinking more about the perception of the average person or user.
Personally, I just wish they'd drop the "X" (and the NFL would do away with the fucking Roman numerals too!)
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Personally, I just wish they'd drop the "X" (and the NFL would do away with the fucking Roman numerals too!)
Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business, but X is cool. It is sort of "digital".
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Well I can't comment on the statistics about half the people being wrong on any given issue, the real thing here is that "right" or "wrong" is less important here than perceptions. Brands and marketing are about perceptions of the customer (and prospective customers) and overall market. Either way, Apple could easily streamline and get away from any confusion by just switching to iOS for everything.
Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.
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Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business, but X is cool. It is sort of "digital".
Yeah the "X" was kinda cool. But I think it's time has passed.
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Unfortunately, it does look a little skittish (kinda like my cats, who are both Maine Coon kitties)
I adore Maine Coons. Not sure your cat looks much like an Ocelot, though.
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Nobody really cares about the operating system names except geeks anyway. The OS X brand will continue to work for them. Confusing geeks with too many names and versions is pretty much impossible.
Which is all the more argument to streamline into one.
macFanDave
The fact that Apple had its second-best March quarter in history was overshadowed by his revealing that we have about 6 months to wait for new product news.
Endemic to an entitlement society. If Jesus changed water into wine today, tomorrow people would ask for Coke Zero.
MJ1970
gregord
Ocelot or Lynx, perhaps Bobcat. All the commonly known big cats are taken already. Apple might have to abandon the cat naming soon.
I sure hope so. It was cute at one point. I feels like it's time to move on.
It's better than the Linux habit of random alliteration (new version Incontinent Icthyosaurus!) or Windows Appendation Advance 64.
Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.
mstone
Well based on the just released WWDC logo Apple is not bailing on Roman numerals just yet, but I agree with you. I don't particularly like Roman numerals either, especially for a "digital" type business.
Apple announces WWDC [QR code], tickets available soon!
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Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.
Yeah. Colors are definitely tricky. I just thought something like that might be kinda cool and fun and friendly.
I say Ex. I know it's officially pronounced Ten but I like the way Ex sounds more.
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Originally Posted by Vorsos
It's better than the Linux habit of random alliteration (new version Incontinent Icthyosaurus!) or Windows Appendation Advance 64.
Colors could be interesting, except that each one has many meanings across cultural lines. Mac OS Yellow is cowardly in the US, satanic in Uzbekistan, etc. Predatorial cats usually mean the same thing everywhere.
They have probably done some focus group studies of various user types. I think people like named product versions rather than just numbers. The thing with the cats is they only use big cats that are powerful. There are plenty of other cats and they are all predatory, just not as impressive as a lion or tiger.