I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Mostphones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and mosttablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
No one can answer that until it happens. My question would be how much more market share will Apple lose by not releasing a larger iPhone. I certainly don't want to spend the next 2 years staring at a tiny 4" screen especially now I have unlimited LTE. A larger display just makes far a far more useful and enjoyable experience. I love everything about my iPhone 5 except for the miniature display and I will wait and see what Apple releases later this year but if they stick to this long and narrow 4" screen I will buy an Android that offers a display that meets my needs as a user.
As others have already pointed out this article is also misleading. There seems to be some confusion as to what was classified as a normal sized phone. Not to mention that Apple doesn't compete in the dirt cheap bargain phones. They compete with the Galaxy series and the HTC One and other higher end Android phones all of which have larger displays. What percentage of Android phones sold so far this year that cost more than $450 unlocked have a larger than 4" display? Now that would be a far more meaningful assessment of Apple's potential in this segment since only that group would be able to afford an iPhone.
Just buy an LTE iPad mini and get it over with? BIG screen and no expensive voice contract.
Just a clarification.... that "long and narrow" screen has the same 16:9 aspect ratio that you'll find on just about every smartphone these days.
It's small, yes, but not any more "narrow" than the competition
Maybe so but a 1920 x 1080 5" display allows you to see a lot more on the screen than a 4" 1136 x 640 display. Somehow it also seems far more natural at larger sizes and to me at least makes the iPhone seem narrower even if it isn't.
The most popular Android models are cheaper, smaller screened handsets which totally dominate sales with a 90% share.
For each "flagship" phone, there are nine lower end phones being sold.
Google's figures bear out the estimate I made months ago.
Ummm. . . No they don't. You don't read them any better than the articles author did. The only general take-away is that about 90 percent of Android devices have 4.9" or smaller displays. Somewhere around 10% are apparently tablets or super-size smartphones like the Galaxy Note.
What percentage of Android phones sold so far this year that cost more than $450 unlocked have a larger than 4" display?
Remember when the iPhone was being lambasted for it's "huge" size, back when Nokia was still king?
Was that only five years ago?
Regarding the second part it would be helpful if Google and the companies selling Android handsets released actual figures instead of muddying the waters with fudged up numbers.
Obviously they do this as they want the misperceptions they are probably paying bloggers to misrepresent, to persist.
Considering so many variations in physical display size, pixel density, whether 4:3 or 16:9, intended use (tablet or phone or even "other"), I don't see how any hard boundary could be set Soli.
The boundary could simply be the actual data from each decode. Size and resolution (which then give you aspect ratio and pixel density) are recording by the analytical used by developers so why can't Google give these out.
Why is it wrong for a developer to know what is the most popular size or the most popular resolution? Why not let them see trends in changes?
Sure, they make an app and grab such data from their user base but they won't know if their user base matches with Google's installed base.
I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Mostphones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and mosttablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
Samsung and other Android licenses continue to sell lots of devices that still run these outdated versions of Android, a fact that prompted the American Civil Liberties Union to asked the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to look into the policies of U.S. wireless carriers. The ACLU said carriers are too slow to upgrade the operating systems of the Android phones they support.
When consumers is too cheap to buy something and they willing to take free stuff you get what ever crap they are willing to give you. Consumers have no right to demand the latest technology when they are not willing to pay for it.
Just buy an LTE iPad mini and get it over with? BIG screen and no expensive voice contract.
The easiest answer is I need a phone. I actually talk on my phone quite a lot. Secondly just because I want a larger iPhone doesn't mean a want a 8" phone like the iPad min. There is a world of difference in between 4" and 8". I still want to carry it in my pocket which the HTC One would allow for example.
But even more importantly, I don't know of any data only plan that offers me unlimited LTE data like I have on my iPhone. These plans are only available for phones and not tablets. I use anywhere from 8GB to as much as 20GB a month or more and pay only $50 with Sprint. Hardly an expensive voice plan as you assert.
Considering so many variations in physical display size, pixel density, whether 4:3 or 16:9, intended use (tablet or phone or even "other"), I don't see how any hard boundary could be set Soli.
Wait, what Android uses anything other than 16:9 screens? I thought the other ratios went away.
Ummm. . . No they don't. You don't read them any better than the articles author did. The only general take-away is that about 90 percent of Android devices have 4.9" or smaller displays. Somewhere around 10% are apparently tablets or super-size smartphones like the Galaxy Note.
When mixed in with Samsung's claims of the number of Galaxy S models sold, they do.
Just buy an LTE iPad mini and get it over with? BIG screen and no expensive voice contract.
for people who do talk on the phone and want something close to a tablet to read or watch movies on the train these are awesome. one device is cheaper than two.
Maybe so but a 1920 x 1080 5" display allows you to see a lot more on the screen than a 4" <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:20px;">1136 x 640 display. Somehow it also seems far more natural at larger sizes and to me at least makes the iPhone seem narrower even if it isn't. </span>
How does that work?
If you pull up a website on a 5" phones... doesn't it just fit the width anyway?
It's not like on a desktop monitor where the higher resolution makes everything smaller so you get more stuff on the screen.
Or is it?
Someone post a picture of this website on a 4" and a 5" screen side by side. I wanna see if you can fit more on the screen.
I've seen plenty of pictures of the iPhone 5 and the Galaxy S4 side by side... but they never have the same things on the screen. I'd love to see how they differ.
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Apple doesn't play the market share game. While I do believe a 4.5 iPhone is in the works (a compliment to the 4"), Apple doesn't NEED to do it.
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Originally Posted by Ireland
10% now. The key word being 'now'. I'd say it'll be a bigger number by 2014.
How?
The most popular Android models are cheaper, smaller screened handsets which totally dominate sales with a 90% share.
For each "flagship" phone, there are nine lower end phones being sold.
Google's figures bear out the estimate I made months ago.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
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Source: Google
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I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Most phones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and most tablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
No one can answer that until it happens. My question would be how much more market share will Apple lose by not releasing a larger iPhone. I certainly don't want to spend the next 2 years staring at a tiny 4" screen especially now I have unlimited LTE. A larger display just makes far a far more useful and enjoyable experience. I love everything about my iPhone 5 except for the miniature display and I will wait and see what Apple releases later this year but if they stick to this long and narrow 4" screen I will buy an Android that offers a display that meets my needs as a user.
As others have already pointed out this article is also misleading. There seems to be some confusion as to what was classified as a normal sized phone. Not to mention that Apple doesn't compete in the dirt cheap bargain phones. They compete with the Galaxy series and the HTC One and other higher end Android phones all of which have larger displays. What percentage of Android phones sold so far this year that cost more than $450 unlocked have a larger than 4" display? Now that would be a far more meaningful assessment of Apple's potential in this segment since only that group would be able to afford an iPhone.
Just buy an LTE iPad mini and get it over with? BIG screen and no expensive voice contract.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
Just a clarification.... that "long and narrow" screen has the same 16:9 aspect ratio that you'll find on just about every smartphone these days.
It's small, yes, but not any more "narrow" than the competition
Maybe so but a 1920 x 1080 5" display allows you to see a lot more on the screen than a 4" 1136 x 640 display. Somehow it also seems far more natural at larger sizes and to me at least makes the iPhone seem narrower even if it isn't.
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Originally Posted by hill60
How?
The most popular Android models are cheaper, smaller screened handsets which totally dominate sales with a 90% share.
For each "flagship" phone, there are nine lower end phones being sold.
Google's figures bear out the estimate I made months ago.
Ummm. . . No they don't. You don't read them any better than the articles author did. The only general take-away is that about 90 percent of Android devices have 4.9" or smaller displays. Somewhere around 10% are apparently tablets or super-size smartphones like the Galaxy Note.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
...a tiny 4" screen...
...the miniature display...
What percentage of Android phones sold so far this year that cost more than $450 unlocked have a larger than 4" display?
Remember when the iPhone was being lambasted for it's "huge" size, back when Nokia was still king?
Was that only five years ago?
Regarding the second part it would be helpful if Google and the companies selling Android handsets released actual figures instead of muddying the waters with fudged up numbers.
Obviously they do this as they want the misperceptions they are probably paying bloggers to misrepresent, to persist.
The boundary could simply be the actual data from each decode. Size and resolution (which then give you aspect ratio and pixel density) are recording by the analytical used by developers so why can't Google give these out.
Why is it wrong for a developer to know what is the most popular size or the most popular resolution? Why not let them see trends in changes?
Sure, they make an app and grab such data from their user base but they won't know if their user base matches with Google's installed base.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I don't get how describing sizes in this way is even slightly helpful (or tells us anything).
A "small" appears to be 2" to 3.5", whereas a "normal" appears to be 3" to 5", but a "large" is 4" to 7"? How does that work? If it's a 4.5" phone is it a "normal" or a "large"? How does one decide which category to put a device in if it falls into one of the overlapping areas?
The overlapping definitions create confusion at the exact point where most of the devices actually fall on the scale. Most phones cluster around the 4.5"-5" area and most tablets cluster around the 7"-8" area.
If one can simply pick and choose which category these phones and tablets go into because of the overlapping definitions, then all the information here is pure BS.
Android thrives on creating confusion.
This is a joke,
The FTC should ignore this request
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Samsung and other Android licenses continue to sell lots of devices that still run these outdated versions of Android, a fact that prompted the American Civil Liberties Union to asked the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to look into the policies of U.S. wireless carriers. The ACLU said carriers are too slow to upgrade the operating systems of the Android phones they support.
When consumers is too cheap to buy something and they willing to take free stuff you get what ever crap they are willing to give you. Consumers have no right to demand the latest technology when they are not willing to pay for it.
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Originally Posted by jfc1138
Just buy an LTE iPad mini and get it over with? BIG screen and no expensive voice contract.
The easiest answer is I need a phone. I actually talk on my phone quite a lot. Secondly just because I want a larger iPhone doesn't mean a want a 8" phone like the iPad min. There is a world of difference in between 4" and 8". I still want to carry it in my pocket which the HTC One would allow for example.
But even more importantly, I don't know of any data only plan that offers me unlimited LTE data like I have on my iPhone. These plans are only available for phones and not tablets. I use anywhere from 8GB to as much as 20GB a month or more and pay only $50 with Sprint. Hardly an expensive voice plan as you assert.
Wait, what Android uses anything other than 16:9 screens? I thought the other ratios went away.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Ummm. . . No they don't. You don't read them any better than the articles author did. The only general take-away is that about 90 percent of Android devices have 4.9" or smaller displays. Somewhere around 10% are apparently tablets or super-size smartphones like the Galaxy Note.
When mixed in with Samsung's claims of the number of Galaxy S models sold, they do.
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Originally Posted by hill60
When mixed in with Samsung's claims of the number of Galaxy S models sold, they do.
Huh??
I'd love to see the actual steps in your math. . .
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
Wait, what Android uses anything other than 16:9 screens? I thought the other ratios went away.
The new Acer tablet announced today is 4:3 (Only $169 retail?)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418522,00.asp
I expect it's not the only one, unlike Tigger.
EDIT: Here's a list of other 4:3 Android tablets from last October. There's a few of them.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929587
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Originally Posted by hill60
How?
The most popular Android models are cheaper, smaller screened handsets which totally dominate sales with a 90% share.
For each "flagship" phone, there are nine lower end phones being sold.
Google's figures bear out the estimate I made months ago.
Where do you get your figures? I'd love to see them. I can make up ridiculous figures on the spot too. Watch.
The most popular iPhone is the 4. It outsold the 5 nearly 75 to 1, totally dominating sales.
For each "flagship" iPhone 5, there are 75 old junker iPhones sold.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Huh??
I'd love to see the actual steps in your math. . .
100,000,000 was the last claim by Samsung. (Galaxy S handsets)
1 Billion was the last claim by Schmidt. (Android devices)
Take away the "tiny" screened Galaxy S (the one that looked like an iPhone 3G/S).
Then what have you got?
10% with other manufacturers filling out the "rounding error".
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Originally Posted by jfc1138
Just buy an LTE iPad mini and get it over with? BIG screen and no expensive voice contract.
for people who do talk on the phone and want something close to a tablet to read or watch movies on the train these are awesome. one device is cheaper than two.
How does that work?
If you pull up a website on a 5" phones... doesn't it just fit the width anyway?
It's not like on a desktop monitor where the higher resolution makes everything smaller so you get more stuff on the screen.
Or is it?
Someone post a picture of this website on a 4" and a 5" screen side by side. I wanna see if you can fit more on the screen.
I've seen plenty of pictures of the iPhone 5 and the Galaxy S4 side by side... but they never have the same things on the screen. I'd love to see how they differ.
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Originally Posted by harharhar
Where do you get your figures? I'd love to see them. I can make up ridiculous figures on the spot too. Watch.
The most popular iPhone is the 4. It outsold the 5 nearly 75 to 1, totally dominating sales.
For each "flagship" iPhone 5, there are 75 old junker iPhones sold.
Samsung's 100,000,000 Galaxy S models sold.
Schmidt's 1 Billion Android devices sold.
Are they lying, or what?