Dont don't that please, we're having a nice conversation.
Tax havens are exploitative. They funnel tax revenue away from the country of the economic activity under secrecy provisions, and enable their exploiters to shield their capital from the normal economy. They are inextricably linked to the politically corrupt, who sell their state to the financial services industry.
If Apple are utilising tax havens, then that is exploitative. It isn't illegal, and your opinion may say that it isn't immoral, but it is definitely exploitative.
PS: There you go again, trying to bring in stuff that just plain doesn't matter and has nothing at all to do with the conversation.
When the conversation is about legality then little things matter, and it's lack of material direct relevance is why it was a PS. If you don't like, feel free to ignore it, I don't make you reply to anything.
You're being unpleasant again, I wish you'd just discuss like a normal person.
Statement: Apple haven't done anything illegal in any country.
Counter: Apple have been fined for many things over the years, it'd be a truer and more relevant statement to say that Apple haven't been proven guilty of any financial illegality within the current investigation.
That's true enough, the original statement was so broad it was incorrect. I wasn't making any grand point about Apple being analogous to COBRA
It's pretty lame. I suspect you know that. Your implication was one of a company regularly and deliberately engaged in illegal activity not one that has been the mugging victim of a labor union via the French government.
I don't think anything in my language implied regular or deliberate action, and if you took that implication I'm sorry, I can see that on that basis it may have caused confusion. It wasn't my intention to imply either, it was just a pedantic PS observation.
Comments
Originally Posted by Crowley
…exploitation…
There's that word again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowley
Apple have been proven to have done illegal things in the recent past.
They have?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
There's that word again.
Dont don't that please, we're having a nice conversation.
Tax havens are exploitative. They funnel tax revenue away from the country of the economic activity under secrecy provisions, and enable their exploiters to shield their capital from the normal economy. They are inextricably linked to the politically corrupt, who sell their state to the financial services industry.
If Apple are utilising tax havens, then that is exploitative. It isn't illegal, and your opinion may say that it isn't immoral, but it is definitely exploitative.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJ1970
They have?
Sure, Apple have been fined for breaching regulations before. Never in a particularly big way, but it's happened.
Originally Posted by Crowley
PS. This is a very broad statement.
PS: There you go again, trying to bring in stuff that just plain doesn't matter and has nothing at all to do with the conversation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
PS: There you go again, trying to bring in stuff that just plain doesn't matter and has nothing at all to do with the conversation.
When the conversation is about legality then little things matter, and it's lack of material direct relevance is why it was a PS. If you don't like, feel free to ignore it, I don't make you reply to anything.
You're being unpleasant again, I wish you'd just discuss like a normal person.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowley
Sure, Apple have been fined for breaching regulations before. Never in a particularly big way, but it's happened.
Please be specific. Link?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJ1970
Please be specific. Link?
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+fined
Specifically? The French working hours one, will that do?
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/13/french-apple-stores-prohibited-from-making-employees-work-after-hours-fined-10k-euros
But as TS said, this isn't relevant to the discussion. Let's move on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowley
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+fined
Specifically? The French working hours one, will that do?
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/13/french-apple-stores-prohibited-from-making-employees-work-after-hours-fined-10k-euros
But as TS said, this isn't relevant to the discussion. Let's move on.
Wow. This seems like a fairly lame stretch. I can see now why you'd want to change the subject back and "move on."
Why is it a stretch?
Statement: Apple haven't done anything illegal in any country.
Counter: Apple have been fined for many things over the years, it'd be a truer and more relevant statement to say that Apple haven't been proven guilty of any financial illegality within the current investigation.
That's true enough, the original statement was so broad it was incorrect. I wasn't making any grand point about Apple being analogous to COBRA
Anyway, yes, moving on...
It's pretty lame. I suspect you know that. Your implication was one of a company regularly and deliberately engaged in illegal activity not one that has been the mugging victim of a labor union via the French government.
I don't think anything in my language implied regular or deliberate action, and if you took that implication I'm sorry, I can see that on that basis it may have caused confusion. It wasn't my intention to imply either, it was just a pedantic PS observation.
Crowley, are you trying to convince guy, who posts 25 messages a day ...
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 24,585
... while most of them are to flame opinions other then his? "Shut up", "idiot" ... watch your language, TS. WTB option to vote down posts.