Take it to PTO and ask for reexamination. I am pretty sure that those are not just algorithms for them not being patentable subject matter.
If you really think one type of patent is more worthy just because it is a complex EE hardware than a seemingly simple interface related software than you are absolutely wrong. The worthy of a patent is really how many people want it. As pointed previously, Apple's patents are often wanted by many.
So why are they getting invalidated left and right?
- Software isn't meaningless, but patenting general algorithms is abhorable.
Did you even read the patent application. It basically says that Apple patented the algorithm for making the green pixel less pronounced.
- ONLY if they're significant enough to produce a new invention. Using the next generation NVIDIA GPU on your desktop is NOT worthy of becoming a patent.
- I hope you realize the Nexus 10 processor is 1.5x more powerful than Apple's inefficient A6-series processors.
Also, Apple has no genuine IP. It's all just Samsung's tech. You are right that Samsung and LG makes screens based on Apple's choice of screen size and resolution, but they're both Samsung and LG's tech, not Apple's.
American companies don't engineer hardware anymore (Except for CPUs and GPUs). Every other hardware component is done by Asian engineers.
If its all Samsung tech, then why is Apple able to take its IP and move it to another manufacturer, as it's been doing? Or how can they have multiple vendors build the same component?
Maybe because Apple owns and develops the IP and outsources it to be manufactured?
If it was all Samsung IP, then Apple couldn't have TSMC or LG or Sharp or any other OEM make it.
EDIT: Define "1.5x" as powerful... Do you mean in performance benchmarks? Or because it has more Ghz?
The 3rd one is merely in-cell (on-cell), which Samsung has been using since 2010. It's a copycat patent.
That's funny since Samsung is the biggest copycat the industry has ever seen. Most of the technology they use is licensed from other companies. Most of the designs they copy are from other companies. The only thing they can do themselves is stamp out components and even then the yields are the worst in the industry. TSMC, TI, Intel and IBM are all much, much better at manufacturing than Samsung could ever hope for.
Samsung spends most of its money in marketing, which includes buying politicians, judges, lobbyists, etc. And of course their brainwashing campaign, which seems to be working well for them.
If its all Samsung tech, then why is Apple able to take its IP and move it to another manufacturer, as it's been doing? Or how can they have multiple vendors build the same component?
Maybe because Apple owns and develops the IP and outsources it to be manufactured?
If it was all Samsung IP, then Apple couldn't have TSMC or LG or Sharp or any other OEM make it.
EDIT: Define "1.5x" as powerful... Do you mean in performance benchmarks? Or because it has more Ghz?
- Funny. Latest rumors indicate Apple is having difficulties moving to other suppliers because their tech isn't quite up there.
- *sigh* They DON'T build the same components. The "retina display", for example, was from Samsung and LG, but the screens were NOT the same technology; hence, Samsung's screens were vastly superior to LG's.
- TSMC isn't making anything for Apple, yet. The processors are still Samsung-only, and that's because part of Samsung's designs are in the A5 and A6 series. That's why Apple can't move. Unlike the screen, having processors with different performance can cause a shit storm with Apps.
So once again, I shall reiterate that Apple is an art company, not a tech company.
- Funny. Latest rumors indicate Apple is having difficulties moving to other suppliers because their tech isn't quite up there.
- *sigh* They DON'T build the same components. The "retina display", for example, was from Samsung and LG, but the screens were NOT the same technology; hence, Samsung's screens were vastly superior to LG's.
- TSMC isn't making anything for Apple, yet. The processors are still Samsung-only, and that's because part of Samsung's designs are in the A5 and A6 series. That's why Apple can't move. Unlike the screen, having processors with different performance can cause a shit storm with Apps.
So once again, I shall reiterate that Apple is an art company, not a tech company.
So much lies.
The difference in display results has to do with tech, yes... The tech of the actual machines and manufacturing skill. They're foundries. Some are better than others. That has nothing to do with the technology behind the display itself, which is owned by Apple.
Same with the chips. Apple OWNS their chip. The issue is there are few foundries that can build to the scale and quality that Apple needs.
That's funny since Samsung is the biggest copycat the industry has ever seen. Most of the technology they use is licensed from other companies. Most of the designs they copy are from other companies. The only thing they can do themselves is stamp out components and even then the yields are the worst in the industry. TSMC, TI, Intel and IBM are all much, much better at manufacturing than Samsung could ever hope for.
Samsung spends most of its money in marketing, which includes buying politicians, judges, lobbyists, etc. And of course their brainwashing campaign, which seems to be working well for them.
The only thing I see Samsung copying is the design of consumer products. All their tech is made in-house, and that's something I respect. Samsung stands by their own tech.
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Also, LOL at you thinking Samsung is a horrible manufacturer. Samsung is the best in the industry. They are second to none. No other manufacturer is as diverse as Samsung is, while providing the highest quality components with incredibly high yields. LG couldn't do it. SHARP couldn't do it (In fact, SHARP's screens were laughed at in Apple's headquarters because SHARP couldn't produce a SINGLE panel that was on-par with Samsung's).
That's why Apple keeps crawling back to them like a whore ex you dumped like 10 times already. TSMC is only a foundry. NVIDIA, Qualcomm and AMD are all looking at Samsung now.
Intel is ahead of Samsung at the moment in regards to CPU manufacturing. That's the only area where Samsung is 2nd.
Samsung spends most of its money on R&D and restructuring. They devoted $40.2 billion last year alone to R&D. Just because Samsung has a high marketing budget doesn't mean it doesn't engage in R&D.
The difference in display results has to do with tech, yes... The tech of the actual machines and manufacturing skill. They're foundries. Some are better than others. That has nothing to do with the technology behind the display itself, which is owned by Apple.
Same with the chips. Apple OWNS their chip. The issue is there are few foundries that can build to the scale and quality that Apple needs.
Um, isn't that the whole point of manufacturing? To make machines so that these machines specifically build materials that you designed it for? I don't know what else is supposed to happen.
The only thing I see Samsung copying is the design of consumer products. All their tech is made in-house, and that's something I respect. Samsung stands by their own tech.
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Also, LOL at you thinking Samsung is a horrible manufacturer. Samsung is the best in the industry. They are second to none. No other manufacturer is as diverse as Samsung is, while providing the highest quality components with incredibly high yields. LG couldn't do it. SHARP couldn't do it (In fact, SHARP's screens were laughed at in Apple's headquarters because SHARP couldn't produce a SINGLE panel that was on-par with Samsung's).
That's why Apple keeps crawling back to them like a whore ex you dumped like 10 times already. TSMC is only a foundry. NVIDIA, Qualcomm and AMD are all looking at Samsung now.
Intel is ahead of Samsung at the moment in regards to CPU manufacturing. That's the only area where Samsung is 2nd.
Samsung spends most of its money on R&D and restructuring. They devoted $40.2 billion last year alone to R&D. Just because Samsung has a high marketing budget doesn't mean it doesn't engage in R&D.
Hardware without software is meaningless. Given your posts and patent theories, you clearly have a bias toward hardware.
The marriage of hardware and software is why Apple's products are so popular, and why Samsung has sought to emulate them.
I don't have a bias towards hardware.
Suppose you write this algorithm that removes punctuation in a textfile, then creates another textfile that has all the words on 1 column, I don't think my method should be patentable, as I'm sure that many other software developers have done it my way as well.
public static String removePunctuation(String input)
{
/*
My plan of attack for this method was to create an array that has each element of the array containing 1 character
of the String input. For any element containing any of the special symbols, I replaced them with a null value.
Then, I combined all the elements in the array into one large string.
I used an array that has the length equal to the object referenced by the String parameter variable.
Each array element consists of a character in the string in order.
For example: The string "ABC123" would be length 6.
Array[0] = A
Array[1] = B
Array[2] = C
Array[3] = 1
.
.
.
*/
String[] inputChange = new String[input.length()];
// The following loop checks each element of the array for any of the following symbols.
The only thing I see Samsung copying is the design of consumer products. All their tech is made in-house, and that's something I respect. Samsung stands by their own tech.
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
So how many cars look like the mustang, beetle, Aztec, jeep, etc? The curvy glass bottle? Only usable by coke.
Suppose you write this algorithm that removes punctuation in a textfile, then creates another textfile that has all the words on 1 column, I don't think my method should be patentable, as I'm sure that many other software developers have done it my way as well.
public static String removePunctuation(String input)
{
/*
My plan of attack for this method was to create an array that has each element of the array containing 1 character
of the String input. For any element containing any of the special symbols, I replaced them with a null value.
Then, I combined all the elements in the array into one large string.
I used an array that has the length equal to the object referenced by the String parameter variable.
Each array element consists of a character in the string in order.
For example: The string "ABC123" would be length 6.
Array[0] = A
Array[1] = B
Array[2] = C
Array[3] = 1
.
.
.
*/
String[] inputChange = new String[input.length()];
// The following loop checks each element of the array for any of the following symbols.
// This replaces any array element that has any of the above symbols with a null value.
}
else
{
char chardata = input.charAt(a);
inputChange[a] = Character.toString(chardata);
// If an element of an array doesn't contain any of the above symbols, the array stays the same.
// Furthermore, I used the "toString" method to convert the character to a string.
}
}
// Because we have multiple, 1-character strings in each cubicle of the array,
// the following for-loop combines all the strings in the array into 1.
String inputChange2 = "";
for (int b = 0; b < input.length(); b++)
{
inputChange2 += inputChange;
}
// The String variable inputChange2 references the object containing all the strings in the array combined into one.
return inputChange2;
}
public static String wordify(String input, String input2) throws IOException
{
Scanner keyboard = new Scanner(System.in);
File file = new File(input);
Scanner inputFile = new Scanner(file);
File file2 = new File(input2);
Scanner inputFile2 = new Scanner(file2);
PrintWriter outputFile = new PrintWriter(input2);
while (inputFile.hasNext())
{
String line = inputFile.nextLine();
String output = removePunctuation(line);
for (int a = 0; a < output.length(); a++)
{
if (output.charAt(a) == ' ')
{
outputFile.println(" ");
}
else
{
outputFile.print(output.charAt(a));
}
}
}
outputFile.close();
return input2;
}
Does posting a string of code make you feel smart? Because it added nothing to the discussion; a simple illustration would have sufficed.
Yes, as I'm sure none of you tech-illiterate mac fans could even write a "hello world" script if your lives depended on it. <img alt="lol.gif" id="user_yui_3_7_3_1_1370404707512_1266" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;" name="user_yui_3_7_3_1_1370404707512_1266">
Some of us work for a living and said work involves HTML, JavaScript, CSS, et. al. not to mention the occasional custom built database with scripts, etc.
Being illiterate sure makes that difficult.
"Tech" stuff isn't really difficult and shouldn't be bragged about
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loptimist
Take it to PTO and ask for reexamination. I am pretty sure that those are not just algorithms for them not being patentable subject matter.
If you really think one type of patent is more worthy just because it is a complex EE hardware than a seemingly simple interface related software than you are absolutely wrong. The worthy of a patent is really how many people want it. As pointed previously, Apple's patents are often wanted by many.
So why are they getting invalidated left and right?
If its all Samsung tech, then why is Apple able to take its IP and move it to another manufacturer, as it's been doing? Or how can they have multiple vendors build the same component?
Maybe because Apple owns and develops the IP and outsources it to be manufactured?
If it was all Samsung IP, then Apple couldn't have TSMC or LG or Sharp or any other OEM make it.
EDIT: Define "1.5x" as powerful... Do you mean in performance benchmarks? Or because it has more Ghz?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshKar426
The 3rd one is merely in-cell (on-cell), which Samsung has been using since 2010. It's a copycat patent.
That's funny since Samsung is the biggest copycat the industry has ever seen. Most of the technology they use is licensed from other companies. Most of the designs they copy are from other companies. The only thing they can do themselves is stamp out components and even then the yields are the worst in the industry. TSMC, TI, Intel and IBM are all much, much better at manufacturing than Samsung could ever hope for.
Samsung spends most of its money in marketing, which includes buying politicians, judges, lobbyists, etc. And of course their brainwashing campaign, which seems to be working well for them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendergast
If its all Samsung tech, then why is Apple able to take its IP and move it to another manufacturer, as it's been doing? Or how can they have multiple vendors build the same component?
Maybe because Apple owns and develops the IP and outsources it to be manufactured?
If it was all Samsung IP, then Apple couldn't have TSMC or LG or Sharp or any other OEM make it.
EDIT: Define "1.5x" as powerful... Do you mean in performance benchmarks? Or because it has more Ghz?
- Funny. Latest rumors indicate Apple is having difficulties moving to other suppliers because their tech isn't quite up there.
- *sigh* They DON'T build the same components. The "retina display", for example, was from Samsung and LG, but the screens were NOT the same technology; hence, Samsung's screens were vastly superior to LG's.
- TSMC isn't making anything for Apple, yet. The processors are still Samsung-only, and that's because part of Samsung's designs are in the A5 and A6 series. That's why Apple can't move. Unlike the screen, having processors with different performance can cause a shit storm with Apps.
So once again, I shall reiterate that Apple is an art company, not a tech company.
So much lies.
The difference in display results has to do with tech, yes... The tech of the actual machines and manufacturing skill. They're foundries. Some are better than others. That has nothing to do with the technology behind the display itself, which is owned by Apple.
Same with the chips. Apple OWNS their chip. The issue is there are few foundries that can build to the scale and quality that Apple needs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjtomlin
That's funny since Samsung is the biggest copycat the industry has ever seen. Most of the technology they use is licensed from other companies. Most of the designs they copy are from other companies. The only thing they can do themselves is stamp out components and even then the yields are the worst in the industry. TSMC, TI, Intel and IBM are all much, much better at manufacturing than Samsung could ever hope for.
Samsung spends most of its money in marketing, which includes buying politicians, judges, lobbyists, etc. And of course their brainwashing campaign, which seems to be working well for them.
The only thing I see Samsung copying is the design of consumer products. All their tech is made in-house, and that's something I respect. Samsung stands by their own tech.
Unfortunately for you Apple fans, designs should ONLY be defended under certain circumstances (AKA. Direct look-alike). Otherwise, you'd have a market with only 1 car manufacturer, 1 TV manufacturer, 1 phone manufacturer, etc. etc. So I support Samsung's stance in the current smartphone war.
Also, LOL at you thinking Samsung is a horrible manufacturer. Samsung is the best in the industry. They are second to none. No other manufacturer is as diverse as Samsung is, while providing the highest quality components with incredibly high yields. LG couldn't do it. SHARP couldn't do it (In fact, SHARP's screens were laughed at in Apple's headquarters because SHARP couldn't produce a SINGLE panel that was on-par with Samsung's).
That's why Apple keeps crawling back to them like a whore ex you dumped like 10 times already. TSMC is only a foundry. NVIDIA, Qualcomm and AMD are all looking at Samsung now.
Intel is ahead of Samsung at the moment in regards to CPU manufacturing. That's the only area where Samsung is 2nd.
Samsung spends most of its money on R&D and restructuring. They devoted $40.2 billion last year alone to R&D. Just because Samsung has a high marketing budget doesn't mean it doesn't engage in R&D.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendergast
So much lies.
The difference in display results has to do with tech, yes... The tech of the actual machines and manufacturing skill. They're foundries. Some are better than others. That has nothing to do with the technology behind the display itself, which is owned by Apple.
Same with the chips. Apple OWNS their chip. The issue is there are few foundries that can build to the scale and quality that Apple needs.
Um, isn't that the whole point of manufacturing? To make machines so that these machines specifically build materials that you designed it for? I don't know what else is supposed to happen.
They make Android in house?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendergast
They make Android in house?
Obviously, we're talking about hardware, not software.
Hardware without software is meaningless. Given your posts and patent theories, you clearly have a bias toward hardware.
The marriage of hardware and software is why Apple's products are so popular, and why Samsung has sought to emulate them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendergast
Hardware without software is meaningless. Given your posts and patent theories, you clearly have a bias toward hardware.
The marriage of hardware and software is why Apple's products are so popular, and why Samsung has sought to emulate them.
I don't have a bias towards hardware.
Suppose you write this algorithm that removes punctuation in a textfile, then creates another textfile that has all the words on 1 column, I don't think my method should be patentable, as I'm sure that many other software developers have done it my way as well.
public static String removePunctuation(String input)
{
/*
My plan of attack for this method was to create an array that has each element of the array containing 1 character
of the String input. For any element containing any of the special symbols, I replaced them with a null value.
Then, I combined all the elements in the array into one large string.
I used an array that has the length equal to the object referenced by the String parameter variable.
Each array element consists of a character in the string in order.
For example: The string "ABC123" would be length 6.
Array[0] = A
Array[1] = B
Array[2] = C
Array[3] = 1
.
.
.
*/
String[] inputChange = new String[input.length()];
// The following loop checks each element of the array for any of the following symbols.
for (int a = 0; a < input.length(); a++)
{
if (input.charAt(a) == ',' || input.charAt(a) == '.' || input.charAt(a) == ';' ||
input.charAt(a) == ':' || input.charAt(a) == '?' ||
input.charAt(a) == '!' || input.charAt(a) == ')' ||
input.charAt(a) == '/' || input.charAt(a) == '"' || input.charAt(a) == '(')
{
inputChange[a] = "";
// This replaces any array element that has any of the above symbols with a null value.
}
else
{
char chardata = input.charAt(a);
inputChange[a] = Character.toString(chardata);
// If an element of an array doesn't contain any of the above symbols, the array stays the same.
// Furthermore, I used the "toString" method to convert the character to a string.
}
}
// Because we have multiple, 1-character strings in each cubicle of the array,
// the following for-loop combines all the strings in the array into 1.
String inputChange2 = "";
for (int b = 0; b < input.length(); b++)
{
inputChange2 += inputChange[b];
}
// The String variable inputChange2 references the object containing all the strings in the array combined into one.
return inputChange2;
}
public static String wordify(String input, String input2) throws IOException
{
Scanner keyboard = new Scanner(System.in);
File file = new File(input);
Scanner inputFile = new Scanner(file);
File file2 = new File(input2);
Scanner inputFile2 = new Scanner(file2);
PrintWriter outputFile = new PrintWriter(input2);
while (inputFile.hasNext())
{
String line = inputFile.nextLine();
String output = removePunctuation(line);
for (int a = 0; a < output.length(); a++)
{
if (output.charAt(a) == ' ')
{
outputFile.println(" ");
}
else
{
outputFile.print(output.charAt(a));
}
}
}
outputFile.close();
return input2;
}
So how many cars look like the mustang, beetle, Aztec, jeep, etc? The curvy glass bottle? Only usable by coke.
Last reply before I add to my ignore list.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungmark
So how many cars look like the mustang, beetle, Aztec, jeep, etc? The curvy glass bottle? Only usable by coke.
Last reply before I add to my ignore list.
Nice job acting like a puss. You must be a hit with the ladies.
Nice ad hominem.
Does posting a string of code make you feel smart? Because it added nothing to the discussion; a simple illustration would have sufficed.
What took you so long? As TS said, no point responding to a useless troll. It's not even entertaining - it's just pathetic.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendergast
Does posting a string of code make you feel smart? Because it added nothing to the discussion; a simple illustration would have sufficed.
Yes, as I'm sure none of you tech-illiterate mac fans could even write a "hello world" script if your lives depended on it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
What took you so long? As TS said, no point responding to a useless troll. It's not even entertaining - it's just pathetic.
To you guys, probably not, but this is actually quite entertaining for me.
Apple has been exposed as a copycat, fraud, and an infringer of IPs. The meltdowns are epic.
Some of us work for a living and said work involves HTML, JavaScript, CSS, et. al. not to mention the occasional custom built database with scripts, etc.
Being illiterate sure makes that difficult.
"Tech" stuff isn't really difficult and shouldn't be bragged about