All I will say is that it's a bit jarring at first getting used to iOS7 but it's also the functionality, UI the interaction of transition between states.
Coming to the desktop it will be crucial how they look and the way "we" Mavericks displays n transitions the icons. Right now the Dock has a nice 3D shelve with icons flat on top off it. Most use the Flat Dock instead, I'd prefer no dock background though to flat!
I would love to some new form to the Dock in the way it show the apps you want at any given time, or apps related to work or each other.
I'm still not a great fan of this new UI. It's not that it looks like a copy from Microsoft, I think it's more disappointing that it's not particularly revolutionary or unique.
The general style looks like a lot of designs for websites and re-brands that I see at work, and for Apple to be producing something that could quite easily have been made by one of the design agencies I work with consisting of 6 people is a bit of a let down.
Most of the screens I've seen are also the exact same layout as the current versions. e.g. The reminders screen in the article is basically exactly the same as the current reminders screen, and very close in colours just with no leather effects. To me that's just changing if for the sake of changing it to be like everyone else.
The idea of the modern design principles isn't just to have flat blocks of colour. It's to make information quicker to read and actions more obvious to perform. If nothing changes in your UI except for the background images your not really achieving anything.
Likely, it was a raster image... Disadvantage to store, scale, manipulate and display.
Huh? So is the new background. Here are the two files.
Linen is a 256x256 JPG at 10k.
Fuzzy McGradient is a 32x1024 PNG at 731 bytes.
The circles that show up after you log in are drawn in HTML5, which I think is a neat way of doing it since HTML and CSS can't actually give you a proper smoked glass look on a layer (Which is STUPID, by the way. I'm reminded of desiring exactly that for a website I was making and spending days only to find out that it's impossible to apply a blur to a tag and have it understand that it's supposed to blur everything underneath the tag instead of the content inside it. Apple should introduce that to WebKit…
I don't have a retina Mac, so these aren't the "2x" named images, but I would assume there are "2x" equivalents for both.
"The first thing we ask is, what do we want people to feel? ....then we begin to craft around our intention."
Well, I'm a longtime Apple fan. I love Apple products. I love their philosophy of minimalism, elegance, and delighting their customers.
And I think iOS 7 is damn ugly! What I feel when I look at it, and especially its icons, is BLECH!!
Do you have iOS 7 installed on any of your iDevices and are you using it on a daily basis?
The reason I ask is that my first impression on seeing it was similar to yours.
But after using it, I like the UI -- is is much more intuitive, more forgiving and more powerful -- in one stroke,
For example, take the "slide to unlock" control:
In iOS 6 and earlier, you have to position a thumb or finger on the control and slide it to the right, while pretty much dragging the finger on the control. This is kind of unwieldy -- especially for one-handed operation -- it may even force you to re-grip the device.
In iOS 7, there is no control -- rather the whole screen is the control. You merely flick [almost] anywhere on the screen in a general left-to-right direction. This is so much easier than iOS 6! And, the " > slide to unlock " presentation subtly indicates that the whole screen is the control.
I guess we just have a difference of opinion. To me iOS 6 is tacky and iOS 7 looks more clean an minimalist. When it comes to design it's so subjective I don't think there is a right or wrong answer.
You're right. Still, given that my reputation around here leads me to be considered wrong until proven less wrong, I defer to your judgement! :)
My guess is when iOS 7 comes out people will update, spend a little time getting used to it and move on with their life. [...] Most people have way more important things in their life to care about than the design of their smartphone OS.
True, but:
Marge: "It's very easy to criticize." Homer: "Fun, too!"
All I will say is that it's a bit jarring at first getting used to iOS7 but it's also
the functionality, UI the interaction of transition between states.
Coming to the desktop it will be crucial how they look and the way "we"
Mavericks displays n transitions the icons.
Right now the Dock has a nice 3D shelve with icons flat on top off it.
Most use the Flat Dock instead, I'd prefer no dock background though to flat!
I would love to some new form to the Dock in the way it show the apps you want
at any given time, or apps related to work or each other.
The Mavericks Dock has no background, but traditional icons. It appears that the new OS Maps an iBooks icons could be done with vectors, though.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">Fuzzy McGradient is a 32x1024 PNG at 731 bytes.</span>
The circles that show up after you log in are drawn in HTML5, which I think is a neat way of doing it since HTML and CSS can't actually give you a proper smoked glass look on a layer (Which is STUPID, by the way. I'm reminded of desiring exactly that for a website I was making and spending days only to find out that it's impossible to apply a blur to a tag and have it understand that it's supposed to blur everything underneath the tag instead of the content inside it. Apple should introduce that to WebKit…
I don't have a retina Mac, so these aren't the "2x" named images, but I would assume there are "2x" equivalents for both.
Yeah...
But I believe that Apple is implementing this in stages:
better, more-flexible. smaller raster images
more flexible static vector images -- pre-scaled for the device at install time (only 1 copy)
live vector images -- infinitely recallable by usage
The .png image is smaller than the .jpg image. Also, because it includes an alpha channel it can more easily be manipulated and combined with effects.
When the technology exists to support it, we will likely have a default-size static image generated for the specific device at install time -- for efficiency. And, a dynamic image that can be scaled as used... Even true 3-dimensional icons (fun) and objects (useful).
Mail is still dog slow, but I really like the new look.
I think it's much nicer to have everything branded with the word iCloud as well, that button in the top left always looked out of place. The new header is much more webby, even if the option set when you click it is straight out of iOS :-)
I just realized the new iOS 7 icon for Contacts uses different color tabs for "A", "B", "C", and "D". The colors seem to imply the colors are somehow relevant to the Contacts app. However, I'm not aware of any functionality that assigns different colors to anything alphabetical or anything at all, right?
Seems like a misleading visual cue if it doesn't address actual funactionality %u2013 especially since the other productivity app icons (Calendar, Notes, Reminders) use colors that mimic actual elements in each app.
Strange that Pages, Numbers, and Keynote don't. I actually like it that way better. It's more evident that's a button to go back.
I liked the separate buttons for each app show individually, top left, during the MobileMe days. Though even during MM they've changed it to a single icon. I understand the 'less is more' approach, but now it takes 2 clicks to switch an app, while it used to be a single click.
I just realized the new iOS 7 icon for Contacts uses different color tabs for "A", "B", "C", and "D". The colors seem to imply the colors are somehow relevant to the Contacts app. However, I'm not aware of any functionality that assigns different colors to anything alphabetical or anything at all, right?
Seems like a misleading visual cue if it doesn't address actual funactionality %u2013 especially since the other productivity app icons (Calendar, Notes, Reminders) use colors that mimic actual elements in each app.
GameCenter also uses random colors, for no apparent reason:
I liked the separate buttons for each app show individually, top left, during the MobileMe days. Though even during MM they've changed it to a single icon. I understand the 'less is more' approach, but now it takes 2 clicks to switch an app, while it used to be a single click.
The only problem with that layout is the amount of space it takes up. Having a single drop-down menu listing all options makes sense, it just needs further delineation to be better known as a menu.
GameCenter also uses random colors, for no apparent reason:
And there again, the old Game Center icon was wonderful. It's exactly what the icon needs to be—the full scope of its use is covered in a simple, understandable fashion. If they wanted to deskeuomorphise it, they could have done so without making it completely and utterly incomprehensible.
It's weird to have to say, but Apple's icon designers need to go back and take a class on universal symbolism. There's a reason all 'poison' labels have a skull on them; even if no one speaks English in the future, they'll still have skulls (and if they don't, we want them to drink the poison in the first place).
The only problem with that layout is the amount of space it takes up. Having a single drop-down menu listing all options makes sense, it just needs further delineation to be better known as a menu.
True, but it currently is just 9 apps. When I looked at their SystemStatus page, they could add the following apps, which would make sense (to me) once logged in to iCloud.com:
iMessage (easy to use while at work if you forgot your phone, for instance)
Maps (evolution from iOS > OSX > modern web browser)
FaceTime (is there any reason this wouldn't work on a PeeCee with a webcam, apart from quality?)
Bookmarks & iCloud Tabs (no need to type the URL while looking at the tab opened on your home Mac on our iPhone)
Photo Stream (with Gallery out, ythere's no overview of all your photostreams, apart from Aperture, don't know about iPhoto - I don't use it)
iTunes Match (play a song while at work)
iPhoto Journals (same as streams)
Thoughts?
Oh, yes, if they'd add that a single button, to be used as a menu, would make sense. With just the current 9 apps I prefer 9 buttons, like it used to be with MobileMe (he, that rhymes)
GameCenter also uses random colors, for no apparent reason:
Not quite true, as the Game Center app uses that same theme and those colours for its main menu interface (assuming the app defined the icon and not the other way round):
That said, it's a bit of an odd interface. Pretty, but...bubbles?
iMessage (easy to use while at work if you forgot your phone, for instance)
Maps (evolution from iOS > OSX > modern web browser)
FaceTime (is there any reason this wouldn't work on a PeeCee with a webcam, apart from quality?)
Bookmarks & iCloud Tabs (no need to type the URL while looking at the tab opened on your home Mac on our iPhone)
Photo Stream (with Gallery out, ythere's no overview of all your photostreams, apart from Aperture, don't know about iPhoto - I don't use it)
iTunes Match (play a song while at work)
iPhoto Journals (same as streams)
Thoughts?
Oh, yes, if they'd add that a single button, to be used as a menu, would make sense. With just the current 9 apps I prefer 9 buttons, like it used to be with MobileMe (he, that rhymes)
Not sure why 3 would be needed (or how it would work). Nor 4, since you're already in a browser. They wouldn't do 6, as the idea would be to download iTunes, and 5 & 7 could fit seamlessly together, yeah?
Originally Posted by Crowley
Not quite true, as the Game Center app uses that same theme and those colours for its main menu interface (assuming the app defined the icon and not the other way round):
Talk about a tautology! Yeah, they match themselves, but what's the point of any of them?
iMessage (easy to use while at work if you forgot your phone, for instance)
Maps (evolution from iOS > OSX > modern web browser)
FaceTime (is there any reason this wouldn't work on a PeeCee with a webcam, apart from quality?)
Bookmarks
Not sure why 3 would be needed (or how it would work). Nor 4, since you're already in a browser. They wouldn't do 6, as the idea would be to download iTunes, and 5 & 7 could fit seamlessly together, yeah?
Yep, 5 & 7 could fit together, and would be great to view these once logged on to iCloud. Handy to show your pictures to a colleague while at the office.
FaceTime would be nice to use at the office, on a a windows machine as well.
Bookmarks would be easier to use while on a windows box instead of typing em over from your iPhone. But yeah, this is all handy for those that want to use iCloud services when using a PC. Then again, they are making iWork available to Windows users as well, so they might as well extend their iCloud offerings.
PS why is my quote cut off after #4 'Bookmarks'? Looks like the ampersand sign.
Comments
Originally Posted by cabassi
And I think iOS 7 is damn ugly! What I feel when I look at it, and especially its icons, is BLECH!!
So just say that instead of tacking on this crap:
Well, I'm a longtime Apple fan. I love Apple products.
the functionality, UI the interaction of transition between states.
Coming to the desktop it will be crucial how they look and the way "we"
Mavericks displays n transitions the icons.
Right now the Dock has a nice 3D shelve with icons flat on top off it.
Most use the Flat Dock instead, I'd prefer no dock background though to flat!
I would love to some new form to the Dock in the way it show the apps you want
at any given time, or apps related to work or each other.
Originally Posted by AirBubble
Coming to the desktop it will be crucial how they look and the way "we"
Mavericks displays n transitions the icons.
All the icons are the same.
Most use the Flat Dock instead…
Uh… no.
I would love to some new form to the Dock in the way it show the apps you want
at any given time, or apps related to work or each other.
You can do that now. Just use it for that purpose.
I'm still not a great fan of this new UI. It's not that it looks like a copy from Microsoft, I think it's more disappointing that it's not particularly revolutionary or unique.
The general style looks like a lot of designs for websites and re-brands that I see at work, and for Apple to be producing something that could quite easily have been made by one of the design agencies I work with consisting of 6 people is a bit of a let down.
Most of the screens I've seen are also the exact same layout as the current versions. e.g. The reminders screen in the article is basically exactly the same as the current reminders screen, and very close in colours just with no leather effects. To me that's just changing if for the sake of changing it to be like everyone else.
The idea of the modern design principles isn't just to have flat blocks of colour. It's to make information quicker to read and actions more obvious to perform. If nothing changes in your UI except for the background images your not really achieving anything.
Likely, it was a raster image... Disadvantage to store, scale, manipulate and display.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Likely, it was a raster image... Disadvantage to store, scale, manipulate and display.
Huh? So is the new background. Here are the two files.
Linen is a 256x256 JPG at 10k.
Fuzzy McGradient is a 32x1024 PNG at 731 bytes.
The circles that show up after you log in are drawn in HTML5, which I think is a neat way of doing it since HTML and CSS can't actually give you a proper smoked glass look on a layer (Which is STUPID, by the way. I'm reminded of desiring exactly that for a website I was making and spending days only to find out that it's impossible to apply a blur to a tag and have it understand that it's supposed to blur everything underneath the tag instead of the content inside it. Apple should introduce that to WebKit…
I don't have a retina Mac, so these aren't the "2x" named images, but I would assume there are "2x" equivalents for both.
Do you have iOS 7 installed on any of your iDevices and are you using it on a daily basis?
The reason I ask is that my first impression on seeing it was similar to yours.
But after using it, I like the UI -- is is much more intuitive, more forgiving and more powerful -- in one stroke,
For example, take the "slide to unlock" control:
In iOS 6 and earlier, you have to position a thumb or finger on the control and slide it to the right, while pretty much dragging the finger on the control. This is kind of unwieldy -- especially for one-handed operation -- it may even force you to re-grip the device.
In iOS 7, there is no control -- rather the whole screen is the control. You merely flick [almost] anywhere on the screen in a general left-to-right direction. This is so much easier than iOS 6! And, the " > slide to unlock " presentation subtly indicates that the whole screen is the control.
Nice!
Now, that's an improvement!
LOL and LOL
The Mavericks Dock has no background, but traditional icons. It appears that the new OS Maps an iBooks icons could be done with vectors, though.
Yeah...
But I believe that Apple is implementing this in stages:
The .png image is smaller than the .jpg image. Also, because it includes an alpha channel it can more easily be manipulated and combined with effects.
When the technology exists to support it, we will likely have a default-size static image generated for the specific device at install time -- for efficiency. And, a dynamic image that can be scaled as used... Even true 3-dimensional icons (fun) and objects (useful).
Mail is still dog slow, but I really like the new look.
I think it's much nicer to have everything branded with the word iCloud as well, that button in the top left always looked out of place. The new header is much more webby, even if the option set when you click it is straight out of iOS :-)
Originally Posted by Crowley
I think it's much nicer to have everything branded with the word iCloud as well, that button in the top left always looked out of place.
Strange that Pages, Numbers, and Keynote don't. I actually like it that way better. It's more evident that's a button to go back.
Seems like a misleading visual cue if it doesn't address actual funactionality %u2013 especially since the other productivity app icons (Calendar, Notes, Reminders) use colors that mimic actual elements in each app.
I liked the separate buttons for each app show individually, top left, during the MobileMe days. Though even during MM they've changed it to a single icon. I understand the 'less is more' approach, but now it takes 2 clicks to switch an app, while it used to be a single click.
GameCenter also uses random colors, for no apparent reason:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
I liked the separate buttons for each app show individually, top left, during the MobileMe days. Though even during MM they've changed it to a single icon. I understand the 'less is more' approach, but now it takes 2 clicks to switch an app, while it used to be a single click.
The only problem with that layout is the amount of space it takes up. Having a single drop-down menu listing all options makes sense, it just needs further delineation to be better known as a menu.
GameCenter also uses random colors, for no apparent reason:
And there again, the old Game Center icon was wonderful. It's exactly what the icon needs to be—the full scope of its use is covered in a simple, understandable fashion. If they wanted to deskeuomorphise it, they could have done so without making it completely and utterly incomprehensible.
It's weird to have to say, but Apple's icon designers need to go back and take a class on universal symbolism. There's a reason all 'poison' labels have a skull on them; even if no one speaks English in the future, they'll still have skulls (and if they don't, we want them to drink the poison in the first place).
True, but it currently is just 9 apps. When I looked at their SystemStatus page, they could add the following apps, which would make sense (to me) once logged in to iCloud.com:
Thoughts?
Oh, yes, if they'd add that a single button, to be used as a menu, would make sense. With just the current 9 apps I prefer 9 buttons, like it used to be with MobileMe (he, that rhymes)
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
GameCenter also uses random colors, for no apparent reason:
Not quite true, as the Game Center app uses that same theme and those colours for its main menu interface (assuming the app defined the icon and not the other way round):
That said, it's a bit of an odd interface. Pretty, but...bubbles?
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
iMessage (easy to use while at work if you forgot your phone, for instance)
Maps (evolution from iOS > OSX > modern web browser)
FaceTime (is there any reason this wouldn't work on a PeeCee with a webcam, apart from quality?)
Bookmarks & iCloud Tabs (no need to type the URL while looking at the tab opened on your home Mac on our iPhone)
Photo Stream (with Gallery out, ythere's no overview of all your photostreams, apart from Aperture, don't know about iPhoto - I don't use it)
iTunes Match (play a song while at work)
iPhoto Journals (same as streams)
Thoughts?
Oh, yes, if they'd add that a single button, to be used as a menu, would make sense. With just the current 9 apps I prefer 9 buttons, like it used to be with MobileMe (he, that rhymes)
Not sure why 3 would be needed (or how it would work). Nor 4, since you're already in a browser. They wouldn't do 6, as the idea would be to download iTunes, and 5 & 7 could fit seamlessly together, yeah?
Originally Posted by Crowley
Not quite true, as the Game Center app uses that same theme and those colours for its main menu interface (assuming the app defined the icon and not the other way round):
Talk about a tautology! Yeah, they match themselves, but what's the point of any of them?
Yep, 5 & 7 could fit together, and would be great to view these once logged on to iCloud. Handy to show your pictures to a colleague while at the office.
FaceTime would be nice to use at the office, on a a windows machine as well.
Bookmarks would be easier to use while on a windows box instead of typing em over from your iPhone. But yeah, this is all handy for those that want to use iCloud services when using a PC. Then again, they are making iWork available to Windows users as well, so they might as well extend their iCloud offerings.
PS why is my quote cut off after #4 'Bookmarks'? Looks like the ampersand sign.