Android out of the box, untouched is just as secure as iOS, especially on Samsung phones with Knox enabled. Android though, unlike iOS allows the user to circumvent any security feature to suit the users whim. Apparently this is way to much responsibility for people as malware seems to be on the rise from apps downloaded outside of Google's Play Store. Antivirus, malware protection programs are a waste of system resources. I have never, ever had a malware infect any of my phones because I know security and pay for my apps. Google needs to follow Apple's path and just assume their users are idiots and not allow any way to circumvent security options and yes, unfortunately this means the removal of the file-manager, a feature by the way that is an absolute must for any phone that I own. Those seeking complete control on their Android phone can always install a custom ROM, which I recommend anyway, you always get the latest version and is supported a lot longer, like for at least 5 years. Not to mention security holes are patched a lot more quickly.
So, once taken out of the box, Android becomes insecure?
That would explain those low usage stats.
Keep safe, ladies and gentleman. Keep your Android device in it's box.
It's once you start using it that's when it becomes more insecure. Most people are not going to install Knox, that's just for Enterprise customers and that's a different type of security. I don't know if Knox will prevent malware from being installed. The OEM versions of Android aren't even up to date on all of the latest bugs/security patches. The whole thing is a joke.
An excellent, and convincing, argument to use Android.
Google already knows their users are idiots. Most of them don't know what the latest version of Android is unless they actually check their phone and if their phone tells them they have the latest version, they don't question it. Buying a phone where it doesn't come with the latest OS brand new? That's an ignorant person that buys those types of phones. What mfg of a computer device ships with an outdated OS on a brand new product? ONLY Android products that I'm aware of. Microsoft does do it for a period of time right after a new OS release, but they usually give you at LEAST the option of the latest or the previous version, but several revs ago? NO. You can STILL buy 2.X phones and that OS is almost 4 years old.
It's once you start using it that's when it becomes more insecure. Most people are not going to install Knox, that's just for Enterprise customers and that's a different type of security. I don't know if Knox will prevent malware from being installed. The OEM versions of Android aren't even up to date on all of the latest bugs/security patches. The whole thing is a joke.
Knox is based on SE Android, which is being rolled out now. Google, Samsung, and Cyanogenmod are taking their time to make sure they get the policies right, so they're running it in Permissive mode now. Once it's put into Enforcing mode, it should block most privilege escalation attacks.
In the meantime, Bouncer + Verify Apps seems to be doing a pretty good job blocking malware.
An excellent, and convincing, argument to use Android.
Yea, I went a little to far with that remark. I meant to say that Apple justifiably controls every aspect of the users experience, something that most users need.
You can STILL buy 2.X phones and that OS is almost 4 years old.
Yes, but those are most likely prepaid phones or impulse buys at a check out counter, complete garbage. Android phones that compete with Apple tend to be much better when it comes to updates. Most users just need two years of updates anyway since most are on a contract and for those who keep their phones longer can go to the ROM communities if they need the newest Android version, there phones are supported for at least 5 years. They have 4.2.2 roms for the first Android phone ever produced so you can be certain that a Samsung S2 will be supported at least until 2015. I totally agree with you though, the iPhone is defiantly the way to go if you have the money and can live without a file-manager or full control over the OS.
Maestro doesn't read anything current. SInce he's probably using an older version of Android, he's kind of stuck in 2 year old mentality, hence the stupid article he listed, but obviously he can't show a single security report by any of the security research companies that proves his point.
I think it's hilarious that EVERY security research company is slamming Android platform to the ground as they are seeing more threats increasing like a log scale, when just about every one else has pretty much on threats to talk about, and Eric Schmidt can basically say that Android is more secure when there is not one single shred of evidence from ANY of the security research companies that he can use to back his statement up. If I was Apple, I would gather all of the market research information on security threats and stack in on a BIG HUGE SLANDER AND DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER lawsuit against Eric Schmidt/Google to shut them up FOREVER.
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I guess you normally eat your crow raw at room temperature. That's a year old article and did you READ the article? Oh, BTW, Charlie Miller prefers to use Apple products, in case you didn't know Charlie's history.
Would you bring up something more recent? That article is dated Nov. 2011. What year is it? 2013. Is it possible for you to show us something more recent? I can show you to F-secure's Q1 2013 Mobile Threat report if you like that's more recent and FYI, the number of types of threats on Android is growing at a fast rate. Did you notice how many threats have been seen in iOS? Or Windows phones, or other mobile device OS's? Symbian seems to have a problem as well, but not many people use it, so you can't use that market share BS excuse either.
In order to remove parasites, you might want to set your crow to 350 F or do you like it raw to induce more parasites in your system?
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Hardy, har har Again....wake up.
Do you know how the PWN2OWN contest works? Researchers spend months looking for exploits and test them extensively. Then when the contest starts they run their previously tested scenarios. Also researchers volunteer to hack the OS. Just because no one volunteered to test an OS doesn't mean it's more secure.
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Hardy, har har Again....wake up.
This article was about iOS and Android. Why are you bringing up old information about OS X?
You are talking about Lion? Lion is a two year old and Mavericks is about to get released. OS, Seriously, show me a list of all the malware attacks actually found for even OS X and compare it to the list of malware on Android or Windows.
Do you know how the PWN2OWN contest works? Researchers spend months looking for exploits and test them extensively. Then when the contest starts they run their previously tested scenarios. Also researchers volunteer to hack the OS. Just because no one volunteered to test an OS doesn't mean it's more secure.
Well, the bottom line is what actual malware gets released to the public. That's what I'm looking for. What these guys do at contests are many times so remote that we'll see them, that it's more for contest purposes and the OS developers find figure out what they did and come up with a fix.
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Hardy, har har Again....wake up.
You seem to have a difficult time staying on topic. Obviously, YOU haven't shown PROOF to back up Eric Schmidt's claim. You can't even show proof that OS X is less secure than Windows.
So Apple's head of security was promptly rush off stage. You obviously don't know the rules with large companies. They can't address something like this since it was a recent discovery so instead of conjuring up BS, they have to go back and understand the exploit and fix it, and they usually have to sit down with their attorneys to find out what they can and cannot say about it. Has the exploit been fixed.
Unforgivable security exploit?? Really? Who judges the level of forgivability? YOU? you are a nobody.
I've made no claims that Apple is 100% secure. It's impossible to do that, but it's far more secure than Android and WIndows. How? Look at the number of malware released to the public. Windows has had 100,000's since 2000, Android's exploits are growing like a log scale. Apple has had only a small handful and a lot of them were more related to Java, which isn't written by Apple, and Flash, which also isn't written by Apple.
Hardy har har.. Grow up and maybe you might learn something. At least Apple does fix their problems and the users that are effected get their OS updates in a timely manner. I seem to remember Google admitting not too long ago that they had a 2 1/2 year old exploit that still wasn't addressed. And how long does it take for Google and their OEMs to release updates where the customers can actually get the update? A LONG FREAKING TIME. Some never get the update. And how many Android phones have older than 4.2.2? About 92% of the Android market (1+ Billion devices) OUCH. And how many Android devices are running 4.3? LIke .1% of the Android install base. Seems like by the time you get your OS updated there are at least one or two later versions released. It's a piss poor platform when it comes to updating the OS. Worst way to distribute an OS.
DRblank is completely correct, it is absolutely ridiculous that manufactures who use Android as their OS take so damn long to release an update. It's the individual manufactures fault though, not Google's, Android. Google releases the source code for Android in a very timely manner and even update their own devices fairly quickly, normally within the same month of a new Android release. The problem is, In a attempt to stand out from the rest, mobile makers add their own flare to Android as well as custom software. With this approach the manufacturer has to completely migrate their software and custom desktop to the new Android version every time it's updated. This takes time but not 6 months. Another problem is manufactures seem to ditch even their best handsets after two years with no further updates. Now the custom ROM communities like CyanogenMod has done a wonderful job in picking up the slack but manufactures cannot/should not rely on this community to pick up their slack.
As a programmer and an overall computer tinker, I use custom ROMS from the get go so I enjoy the latest updates and most secure phone possible, the normal user should also enjoy these benefits. Get off your butt's Android phone makers.
DRblank is completely correct, it is absolutely ridiculous that manufactures who use Android as their OS take too damn long to release an update. It's the individual manufactures fault though, not Google's, Android. Google releases the source code for Android in a very timely manner and even update their own devices fairly quickly, normally within the same month of a new Android release. The problem is, In a attempt to stand out from the rest, mobile makers add their own flare to Android as well as custom software. With this approach the manufacturer has to completely migrate their software to the new Android version every time a new version is released. This takes time but not 6 months. Another problem is manufactures seem to ditch even their best handsets after two years with no further updates. Now the custom ROM communities like CyanogenMod has done a wonderful job in picking up the slack but manufactures cannot/should not rely on this community to pick up their slack.
Relic, I agree and disagree about Google being at fault for the OEMs not releasing OS updates. Google is the one that sets the distribution strategy. If Google made it so it wasn't Open Source Free For All approach, then there wouldn't be this problem. Then it would be more in line with how Microsoft releases Windows, but having control over updates. This is a MAJOR reason why Open Source SUCKS. It's got advantages, but it has far worse disadvantages IMO. That's why I won't touch Android.
As far as rooting one's device and this CyanogeMod, 90%+ of the user base won't touch that. That's usually only used by the ultra geeks that use Android and that's a VERY small group of people, not the norm.
6 months or more is what it takes for OEMs to release their updates. Look at Samsung with the S3, they released it 6 to 7 months after Google released it, but what about earlier models that aren't getting 4.2.2. Look at the S4, it's not using 4.3, time marches on until they start releasing an update for 4.3. It does take about 6 months. Each OEM has to get the Google update, modify it, test it, and then get each cell carrier to bless it, and THEN they start releasing it and they don't update each phone with each carrier on the same day, it gets rolled out and it typically takes about a month or two to get ALL of the carriers to bless it, but it does take at least 6 months or more IF the OEM actually updates a specific model.
They are still selling Gingerbread 2.x, IceCreamSandwhich 4.0.x and even older versions of Jelly Bean. It's a mess, that's what i won't touch Android.
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Android out of the box, untouched is just as secure as iOS, especially on Samsung phones with Knox enabled. Android though, unlike iOS allows the user to circumvent any security feature to suit the users whim. Apparently this is way to much responsibility for people as malware seems to be on the rise from apps downloaded outside of Google's Play Store. Antivirus, malware protection programs are a waste of system resources. I have never, ever had a malware infect any of my phones because I know security and pay for my apps. Google needs to follow Apple's path and just assume their users are idiots and not allow any way to circumvent security options and yes, unfortunately this means the removal of the file-manager, a feature by the way that is an absolute must for any phone that I own. Those seeking complete control on their Android phone can always install a custom ROM, which I recommend anyway, you always get the latest version and is supported a lot longer, like for at least 5 years. Not to mention security holes are patched a lot more quickly.
Android out of the box, untouched is just as secure as iOS, especially on Samsung phones with Knox enabled.
So, once taken out of the box, Android becomes insecure?
That would explain those low usage stats.
Keep safe, ladies and gentleman. Keep your Android device in it's box.
Google needs to follow Apple's path and just assume their users are idiots
Ah, arrogance towards the majority of users.
An excellent, and convincing, argument to use Android.
So, once taken out of the box, Android becomes insecure?
That would explain those low usage stats.
Keep safe, ladies and gentleman. Keep your Android device in it's box.
It's once you start using it that's when it becomes more insecure. Most people are not going to install Knox, that's just for Enterprise customers and that's a different type of security. I don't know if Knox will prevent malware from being installed. The OEM versions of Android aren't even up to date on all of the latest bugs/security patches. The whole thing is a joke.
Ah, arrogance towards the majority of users.
An excellent, and convincing, argument to use Android.
Google already knows their users are idiots. Most of them don't know what the latest version of Android is unless they actually check their phone and if their phone tells them they have the latest version, they don't question it. Buying a phone where it doesn't come with the latest OS brand new? That's an ignorant person that buys those types of phones. What mfg of a computer device ships with an outdated OS on a brand new product? ONLY Android products that I'm aware of. Microsoft does do it for a period of time right after a new OS release, but they usually give you at LEAST the option of the latest or the previous version, but several revs ago? NO. You can STILL buy 2.X phones and that OS is almost 4 years old.
It's once you start using it that's when it becomes more insecure. Most people are not going to install Knox, that's just for Enterprise customers and that's a different type of security. I don't know if Knox will prevent malware from being installed. The OEM versions of Android aren't even up to date on all of the latest bugs/security patches. The whole thing is a joke.
Knox is based on SE Android, which is being rolled out now. Google, Samsung, and Cyanogenmod are taking their time to make sure they get the policies right, so they're running it in Permissive mode now. Once it's put into Enforcing mode, it should block most privilege escalation attacks.
In the meantime, Bouncer + Verify Apps seems to be doing a pretty good job blocking malware.
Ah, arrogance towards the majority of users.
An excellent, and convincing, argument to use Android.
Yea, I went a little to far with that remark. I meant to say that Apple justifiably controls every aspect of the users experience, something that most users need.
You can STILL buy 2.X phones and that OS is almost 4 years old.
Yes, but those are most likely prepaid phones or impulse buys at a check out counter, complete garbage. Android phones that compete with Apple tend to be much better when it comes to updates. Most users just need two years of updates anyway since most are on a contract and for those who keep their phones longer can go to the ROM communities if they need the newest Android version, there phones are supported for at least 5 years. They have 4.2.2 roms for the first Android phone ever produced so you can be certain that a Samsung S2 will be supported at least until 2015. I totally agree with you though, the iPhone is defiantly the way to go if you have the money and can live without a file-manager or full control over the OS.
Heyyyy! I loved him in the Andy Griffith's show and Three's Company!!!!
Heyyyy! I loved him in the Andy Griffith's show and Three's Company!!!!
What was that Disney movie where he turned into a fish?
Why not? It works for the leet Linux desktop snobs.
The Incredible Mister Limpet.
The Incredible Mister Limpet.
Aaah, thank you. I think I'll watch that tonight, .....and make a tuna sandwich.
Maestro doesn't read anything current. SInce he's probably using an older version of Android, he's kind of stuck in 2 year old mentality, hence the stupid article he listed, but obviously he can't show a single security report by any of the security research companies that proves his point.
I think it's hilarious that EVERY security research company is slamming Android platform to the ground as they are seeing more threats increasing like a log scale, when just about every one else has pretty much on threats to talk about, and Eric Schmidt can basically say that Android is more secure when there is not one single shred of evidence from ANY of the security research companies that he can use to back his statement up. If I was Apple, I would gather all of the market research information on security threats and stack in on a BIG HUGE SLANDER AND DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER lawsuit against Eric Schmidt/Google to shut them up FOREVER.
I guess you normally eat your crow raw at room temperature. That's a year old article and did you READ the article? Oh, BTW, Charlie Miller prefers to use Apple products, in case you didn't know Charlie's history.
Would you bring up something more recent? That article is dated Nov. 2011. What year is it? 2013. Is it possible for you to show us something more recent? I can show you to F-secure's Q1 2013 Mobile Threat report if you like that's more recent and FYI, the number of types of threats on Android is growing at a fast rate. Did you notice how many threats have been seen in iOS? Or Windows phones, or other mobile device OS's? Symbian seems to have a problem as well, but not many people use it, so you can't use that market share BS excuse either.
Here's the link. http://www.f-secure.com/static/doc/labs_global/Research/Mobile_Threat_Report_Q1_2013.pdf
In order to remove parasites, you might want to set your crow to 350 F or do you like it raw to induce more parasites in your system?
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Hardy, har har
Do you know how the PWN2OWN contest works? Researchers spend months looking for exploits and test them extensively. Then when the contest starts they run their previously tested scenarios. Also researchers volunteer to hack the OS. Just because no one volunteered to test an OS doesn't mean it's more secure.
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Hardy, har har
This article was about iOS and Android. Why are you bringing up old information about OS X?
You are talking about Lion? Lion is a two year old and Mavericks is about to get released. OS, Seriously, show me a list of all the malware attacks actually found for even OS X and compare it to the list of malware on Android or Windows.
Seriously, grow up, you idiot.
Do you know how the PWN2OWN contest works? Researchers spend months looking for exploits and test them extensively. Then when the contest starts they run their previously tested scenarios. Also researchers volunteer to hack the OS. Just because no one volunteered to test an OS doesn't mean it's more secure.
Well, the bottom line is what actual malware gets released to the public. That's what I'm looking for. What these guys do at contests are many times so remote that we'll see them, that it's more for contest purposes and the OS developers find figure out what they did and come up with a fix.
Oh, that's the funny part! Miller loves Apple products, yet he's the FIRST to go after them for the atrocious history of massive security exploits on every single Mac product. Pwn2Own has proved (quite efficiently) that Apple has the WORST security history of any tech company. For 5 years straight, Apple devices fell FIRST, on the FIRST day of every challenge, as if it was a breeze. Hell, it took Apple 10 years to adopt basic, rudimentary ASLR and DEP, after Windows XP adopted it on Service Pack 3.
Again, this is a matter of perspective. Android might have more threats.....IF you go outside official channels. Apple, by contrast, claims NO threats on the App Store, when in fact they have them in spades. Remember...only Apple takes FIVE MONTHS to beat one little piece of malware (Flashback Trojan Horse). Anyone else would've stamped that thing out in under a week.....and that's being generous.
The fact (yes, fact) of the matter is that Apple is far from secure, and it's always been this way. Even after Lion adopted ASLR and DEP, Black Hat STILL uncovered a legion of unforgivable security exploits, and verbally bashed them for it. Is it any surprise that at 2012's Black Hat conference, that Apple's head of device security made his lil' speech, and then was promptly RUSHED OFF STAGE without fielding any questions?
Hardy, har har
You seem to have a difficult time staying on topic. Obviously, YOU haven't shown PROOF to back up Eric Schmidt's claim. You can't even show proof that OS X is less secure than Windows.
So Apple's head of security was promptly rush off stage. You obviously don't know the rules with large companies. They can't address something like this since it was a recent discovery so instead of conjuring up BS, they have to go back and understand the exploit and fix it, and they usually have to sit down with their attorneys to find out what they can and cannot say about it. Has the exploit been fixed.
Unforgivable security exploit?? Really? Who judges the level of forgivability? YOU? you are a nobody.
I've made no claims that Apple is 100% secure. It's impossible to do that, but it's far more secure than Android and WIndows. How? Look at the number of malware released to the public. Windows has had 100,000's since 2000, Android's exploits are growing like a log scale. Apple has had only a small handful and a lot of them were more related to Java, which isn't written by Apple, and Flash, which also isn't written by Apple.
Hardy har har.. Grow up and maybe you might learn something. At least Apple does fix their problems and the users that are effected get their OS updates in a timely manner. I seem to remember Google admitting not too long ago that they had a 2 1/2 year old exploit that still wasn't addressed. And how long does it take for Google and their OEMs to release updates where the customers can actually get the update? A LONG FREAKING TIME. Some never get the update. And how many Android phones have older than 4.2.2? About 92% of the Android market (1+ Billion devices) OUCH. And how many Android devices are running 4.3? LIke .1% of the Android install base. Seems like by the time you get your OS updated there are at least one or two later versions released. It's a piss poor platform when it comes to updating the OS. Worst way to distribute an OS.
DRblank is completely correct, it is absolutely ridiculous that manufactures who use Android as their OS take so damn long to release an update. It's the individual manufactures fault though, not Google's, Android. Google releases the source code for Android in a very timely manner and even update their own devices fairly quickly, normally within the same month of a new Android release. The problem is, In a attempt to stand out from the rest, mobile makers add their own flare to Android as well as custom software. With this approach the manufacturer has to completely migrate their software and custom desktop to the new Android version every time it's updated. This takes time but not 6 months. Another problem is manufactures seem to ditch even their best handsets after two years with no further updates. Now the custom ROM communities like CyanogenMod has done a wonderful job in picking up the slack but manufactures cannot/should not rely on this community to pick up their slack.
As a programmer and an overall computer tinker, I use custom ROMS from the get go so I enjoy the latest updates and most secure phone possible, the normal user should also enjoy these benefits. Get off your butt's Android phone makers.
DRblank is completely correct, it is absolutely ridiculous that manufactures who use Android as their OS take too damn long to release an update. It's the individual manufactures fault though, not Google's, Android. Google releases the source code for Android in a very timely manner and even update their own devices fairly quickly, normally within the same month of a new Android release. The problem is, In a attempt to stand out from the rest, mobile makers add their own flare to Android as well as custom software. With this approach the manufacturer has to completely migrate their software to the new Android version every time a new version is released. This takes time but not 6 months. Another problem is manufactures seem to ditch even their best handsets after two years with no further updates. Now the custom ROM communities like CyanogenMod has done a wonderful job in picking up the slack but manufactures cannot/should not rely on this community to pick up their slack.
Relic, I agree and disagree about Google being at fault for the OEMs not releasing OS updates. Google is the one that sets the distribution strategy. If Google made it so it wasn't Open Source Free For All approach, then there wouldn't be this problem. Then it would be more in line with how Microsoft releases Windows, but having control over updates. This is a MAJOR reason why Open Source SUCKS. It's got advantages, but it has far worse disadvantages IMO. That's why I won't touch Android.
As far as rooting one's device and this CyanogeMod, 90%+ of the user base won't touch that. That's usually only used by the ultra geeks that use Android and that's a VERY small group of people, not the norm.
6 months or more is what it takes for OEMs to release their updates. Look at Samsung with the S3, they released it 6 to 7 months after Google released it, but what about earlier models that aren't getting 4.2.2. Look at the S4, it's not using 4.3, time marches on until they start releasing an update for 4.3. It does take about 6 months. Each OEM has to get the Google update, modify it, test it, and then get each cell carrier to bless it, and THEN they start releasing it and they don't update each phone with each carrier on the same day, it gets rolled out and it typically takes about a month or two to get ALL of the carriers to bless it, but it does take at least 6 months or more IF the OEM actually updates a specific model.
They are still selling Gingerbread 2.x, IceCreamSandwhich 4.0.x and even older versions of Jelly Bean. It's a mess, that's what i won't touch Android.