What I like about Apple is that they're ambitious, and unlike other companies, and are not scared about going back to the drawing board to make a superior product, which always pays off in the long-term, even though they know there will be whining and bitching along the way. They look at the big picture.
I respect that too. Avid was in a similar situation with Pro Tools -- users were demanding certain features that Avid said would require a complete rewrite of Pro Tools. Users screamed at them to quit whining about how much work it would be and JUST DO IT!!!
And that is where the similarity between Apple and Avid ends. Avid began involving partners the second they had a handle on how the rewrite was going to change the hooks between the host and third-party products. They warned users well in advance of what changes to expect and what the effects would be. They rolled out the rewrite in two stages, with a "transitional" version helping to ease the shock.
Avid did NOT drop features/functions/capabilities except for supporting legacy plug-ins (see two years advance warning, above). They managed to rebuild for a brighter future WITHOUT half-crippling the app.
The argument that Apple has to dumb-down in order to move forward is bullshit. If that's what they think is best that's fine, but let's drop the martyristic pretense about suffering for the greater good.
Your inability to comprehend another's motives does not mean it's idiotic.
Ipso facto, the fact that the bizarre move is made by Apple doesn't automatically mean it's NOT idiotic.
Absolute REFUSING to discuss product roadmaps does not make a company mysterious and enigmatic, it makes them difficult and annoying. It also makes the company management SEEM arrogant and conceited, which may or may not be true.
Thankfully there are excellent productivity tools available from companies that are NOT a colossal pain in the ass to deal with.
Simple yes, but interestingly doesn't do the trick. Even with the document set to specifically open in Pages version 4.3, a double-click brings up a warning window that it's going to open the file in the new Pages.
"...warning window..." - it's not exactly written as though it's a warning, just what's going to happen.
Changing the "Open with..." for each file individually works, provided you haven't saved it from Pages 5. Otherwise, you need to use either Time Machine, or from within Pages 5 itself, using Revert/Browse all versions, and go back to a pre-5 version, then close it without making any changes.
Changing back to 4.3 as the default is only possible if you trash or zip Pages 5, although the App store will put reinstall it if you allow auto updates. "Change all..." isn't necessary if 5 isn't available, as 4.3 becomes the default.
If you're worried about whether an older file will look different, select the file and press the space bar for a "Quick Look", which will show the 5 layout.
In some earlier posts, the effects of the changes were dismissed as users whining about change. Pages 5 is quite capable of opening old files, but they won't necessarily look the same. For example, our 24 page catalogue grew to 26 pages, and the index (TOC) had to be redone - and this didn't have any linked text boxes.
We have several hundred Pages files for printing labels and instructions for plastic kits. Some of the label text got changed to "Title case", and some of the instructions look different (wrong) or lost their linked text boxes necessary for upside down text on the lower half of A4, to produce double sided A5 sheets printed two-up.
Oh, and an update to Mail 7.0 is said to be on the way, hopefully making it work properly, like being able to count how emails are being sent/received, instead of making something up.
Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features.
Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it
It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying.
I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.
Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features.
Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it
It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying.
I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.
Regrettably, I may return to MS Word
Just using Pages '09 till the new version catches up seems the simplest solution. Plus when those features are not required the new version has some nifty features of its own.
Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features.
Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it
It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying.
I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.
Regrettably, I may return to MS Word
I've fought tooth and nail for the right to use a Mac in various workplaces, with the last in use at one government lab gone when I left. However, this Pages suddenly has me worried about the direction Apple is going with application software. The new version in my opinion is next to useless. Apple has produced the most sophisticated of operating systems but with the obvious exception of Keynote is destroying iWork. It is easy to visualise killer applications and the sophistication of Apple's software engineering capability makes it quite apparent that Apple actually thinks that this is what people want. iWork could be mind-blowing. I'd like to see Apple hungry, like a start-up, for the possibilities that OS X provides.
That or they have no contingency if an upgrade breaks something that is important to them. I didn't move to Mavericks on my MBP until I cloned my previous system and tested 10.9 via starting up from an external drive. Only then did I then swap the drives around, and I can go back any time.
Complainers gonna complain.
Meh. I don't worry about that. That's what Time Machine is for. I've been known to upgrade to a beta OS in the middle of a work day
That or they have no contingency if an upgrade breaks something that is important to them. I didn't move to Mavericks on my MBP until I cloned my previous system and tested 10.9 via starting up from an external drive. Only then did I then swap the drives around, and I can go back any time.
Complainers gonna complain.
Meh. I don't worry about that. That's what Time Machine is for. I've been known to upgrade to a beta OS in the middle of a work day
Contrary to my sig, TM is not the Master of All Backups as it doesn't backup everything. Things like cache and tmp files do get 'backed up' when cloning a drive. I do both 8-)
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:
1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element
2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document
3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail
4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document
5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
Etc., etc.
I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application.
The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.
The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:
1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element
2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document
3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail
4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document
5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
Etc., etc.
I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application.
The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.
The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.
As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain. Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine. Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data - not just the original file you have on your hard disk. And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.
That’s pretty sad. The guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and is now paying for it. There’s a reason Apple leaves iWork ’09 on your machine when you update. It’s his fault he deleted it. It’s his fault he installed an update blind. How you can defend him is beyond me.
Or maybe you had a different complaint. Do you not know why iWork ’14 works the way it does–why they made those changes?
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister
Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
One would hope users would have learned ANYTHING about what Apple is doing when they completely revamp a product, but I guess not. Maybe users are getting too arrogant.
As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain. Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine. Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
Oh what a grand mistake Final Cut was, wasn't it? It's now the smoothest and fastest non-linear editor on the market for forward thinking film projects. No... you may have problems bringing in your legacy projects into the new FPX, however, that doesn't stop you from recreating your libraries and the parts of a project that you may reuse in the new editor. Oh! Thta's kinda like Pages now. What a coincidence /s
BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data - not just the original file you have on your hard disk. And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.
What many have said on the Apple forums and AI already, which is the ONLY way to test a new software upgrade... of any kind... on any platform. Period.
You folks that continue to hold back the progress of the Post-PC Revolution started by Apple, just refuse to except that concept at all. Software MUST be redesigned and re-coded to make this transition. Apple is far and away leading that inevitability, with Google right on their heals. MS, Adobe, Autodesk, and Avid? Claiming to be on the side of their legacy users, but secretly hoping that they can reuse old legacy code and not be forced into a rewrite... or.... waiting for ARM chips to be fast enough to hack their crappy old luggage software to work. Sort of.. kind of... well, you can at least install it and try.
You really should inform yourself about some of the Apple patents, financial statements... rumors even...and ever growing evidence to the undeniable fact that Apple plans on being the leader in the Post-PC market. That means: 1) iOS software, hardware and platform first, 2) web services second, and 3) desktop hard and software (the trucks) to augment the transformation, last on the list.
I must admit Apple's secrecy and lack of communication is sometimes frustrating, and I can even accept labeling them "arrogant" at times. I actually do believe they think their customer base is smarter than they really are for choosing their products, and still haven't themselves realized and restructured to acknowledge the fact that they are a tech leader now, not only in their minds and work... but in reality with a huge fan and customer following. Many of which that have made the jump from a less-than-ideal alternative, but know no more today about computing than they did when they sprung. Apple has made so much easy for them, and due to the cleft between them and the alternative is so massively huge, that they fail to realize that there's still much to do to educate their customers, and specifically... where they are heading with this stuff.
Unfortunately, we have all witnessed why Apple is understandably rather shy about even presenting anything to the public. They are a) raked over the coals by the media, b) see their stock get pummeled by short-sighted anal-cysts; and c) have their ideas stolen by those other technology companies that want a part of the technology future that Apple is leading and pioneering.
Sometimes it's good to stand back and ask: what would YOU do in that situation. Sometimes you might come to the age-old conclusion: silence is golden.
Predictions for 2014-15:
85%+ of Apple's income will come from iOS stores, services and hardware devices;
iOS 8 (64-bit) will be the first true consumer desktop replacement for everyday tasks, including productivity and creativity suites; MS and Adobe will be there, no doubt about it.
Mac OS X will continue to be developed, but for a dwindling SKU line-up of machines that actually run it: 2 laptops, 2 iMacs, 1 Mac Pro... possible Mini.
MacBook Airs will cease to exist and will be replaced by iPad Pros.
Software titles will run as well and have parallel features on both iOS and OSX... although, it will be debated that the iOS software is actually BETTER because it's easier and more accessible.
Last but not least:
There will be massive wailing, gnashing of teeth, and lots of knee and elbow skin left on the path from dragging "The Legacy Lugs" along for the ride... but they'll eventually stand up and say,"Wow! This is pretty cool stuff! How do I get started?".... and declare without a second thought, "Me? I've ALWAYS believed in Apple and never once doubted their plans." Yuppp.......
Been there... seen and lived it since '78... have at least a dozen T-shirts to show for it. Still an Apple fanboy regardless of a bum elbow and trick knee :smokey:
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:
1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element
2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document
3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail
4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document
5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
Etc., etc.
I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application.
The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.
The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.
As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain. Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine. Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data - not just the original file you have on your hard disk. And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.
I was going to make a rather snide statement regarding users having hope an being able to go back to the alternative (MS)... but look at this news just in from
[QUOTE]Speaking at the UBS Global Technology Conference last week, Larson-Green confirmed Microsoft plans to reduce the number of Windows variants it has in its portfolio. She told attendees during a question and answer session the following:
"We have the Windows Phone OS. We have Windows RT and we have full Windows. We're not going to have three. We do think there's a world where there is a more mobile operating system that doesn't have the risks to battery life, or the risks to security. [B][I][COLOR=red]But, it also comes at the cost of flexibility.[/COLOR][/I][/B] So we believe in that vision and that direction and we're continuing down that path."[/QUOTE]
Without saying so (of course not!) they surely and certainly are validating Apple's Post-PC concept.
Whereas Apple is already yards and yards ahead of MS, moving the desktop to iOS (mobile)... MS is hoping to do that move in reverse mobile -> desktop.
IMHO I think Apple's approach is far better than MS's, and we'll see positive results with Apple's strategy allowing "true" productivity for users far sooner. The power of touch, mobile, web services, and new modern interaction with these devices is far better and a much more future-worthy... than a keyboard, mouse, and legacy desktop metaphors and hardware. Even more powerful than 2-position kickstands....
I still find it rather ironic that the company that brought the mouse to the masses, is going to be the one that also kills it... or leaves it "wasting away in the mouse-trap that is Windows."*
* That was so easy to write I'm sure it's been written before. My apologies, and I wave any wrongdoing, criminal intent, royalties, rights and/or copyright due to my lack of recall....:smokey:
One would hope users would have learned ANYTHING about what Apple is doing when they completely revamp a product,
I know, right? By now users should KNOW that Apple is utterly CLUELESS about how to manage product updates! They should know that just because Avid and Adobe and every other software vendor they deal with manages major rewrites without screwing their users is not a reason to expect Apple to have any competency whatsoever in that regard. Apple forges its own path, and when it comes to major software revisions, that path involves stripping features and functions until they can figure out what they're doing.
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Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc
Oh what a grand mistake Final Cut was, wasn't it? It's now the smoothest and fastest non-linear editor on the market for forward thinking film projects.
SMOOTHEST and FASTEST? Have you tried Avid Nitris? Or is the overwhelmingly dominant market leader not "forward thinking" enough? Or, let's be honest, is it out of the running because it's not three hundred bucks?
Final Cut may finally be a competent editor (I don't know myself because I found the interface so opaque that I gave up on it) but that's little comfort to anyone had work to do anytime in the TWO YEARS it took for Apple to get their shit together. THAT'S the point. Other vendors manage major product revisions without losing major features and capability. They communicate with users so we know what to expect and can plan our business. Apple castrates their software with no warnings about critical changes, then gradually rebuilds it over a period of months or years and we're supposed to be grateful? Gimme a break.
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What I like about Apple is that they're ambitious, and unlike other companies, and are not scared about going back to the drawing board to make a superior product, which always pays off in the long-term, even though they know there will be whining and bitching along the way. They look at the big picture.
I respect that too. Avid was in a similar situation with Pro Tools -- users were demanding certain features that Avid said would require a complete rewrite of Pro Tools. Users screamed at them to quit whining about how much work it would be and JUST DO IT!!!
And that is where the similarity between Apple and Avid ends. Avid began involving partners the second they had a handle on how the rewrite was going to change the hooks between the host and third-party products. They warned users well in advance of what changes to expect and what the effects would be. They rolled out the rewrite in two stages, with a "transitional" version helping to ease the shock.
Avid did NOT drop features/functions/capabilities except for supporting legacy plug-ins (see two years advance warning, above). They managed to rebuild for a brighter future WITHOUT half-crippling the app.
The argument that Apple has to dumb-down in order to move forward is bullshit. If that's what they think is best that's fine, but let's drop the martyristic pretense about suffering for the greater good.
Your inability to comprehend another's motives does not mean it's idiotic.
Ipso facto, the fact that the bizarre move is made by Apple doesn't automatically mean it's NOT idiotic.
Absolute REFUSING to discuss product roadmaps does not make a company mysterious and enigmatic, it makes them difficult and annoying. It also makes the company management SEEM arrogant and conceited, which may or may not be true.
Thankfully there are excellent productivity tools available from companies that are NOT a colossal pain in the ass to deal with.
Simple yes, but interestingly doesn't do the trick. Even with the document set to specifically open in Pages version 4.3, a double-click brings up a warning window that it's going to open the file in the new Pages.
"...warning window..." - it's not exactly written as though it's a warning, just what's going to happen.
Changing the "Open with..." for each file individually works, provided you haven't saved it from Pages 5. Otherwise, you need to use either Time Machine, or from within Pages 5 itself, using Revert/Browse all versions, and go back to a pre-5 version, then close it without making any changes.
Changing back to 4.3 as the default is only possible if you trash or zip Pages 5, although the App store will put reinstall it if you allow auto updates. "Change all..." isn't necessary if 5 isn't available, as 4.3 becomes the default.
If you're worried about whether an older file will look different, select the file and press the space bar for a "Quick Look", which will show the 5 layout.
In some earlier posts, the effects of the changes were dismissed as users whining about change. Pages 5 is quite capable of opening old files, but they won't necessarily look the same. For example, our 24 page catalogue grew to 26 pages, and the index (TOC) had to be redone - and this didn't have any linked text boxes.
We have several hundred Pages files for printing labels and instructions for plastic kits. Some of the label text got changed to "Title case", and some of the instructions look different (wrong) or lost their linked text boxes necessary for upside down text on the lower half of A4, to produce double sided A5 sheets printed two-up.
Oh, and an update to Mail 7.0 is said to be on the way, hopefully making it work properly, like being able to count how emails are being sent/received, instead of making something up.
Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features.
Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it
It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying.
I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.
Regrettably, I may return to MS Word
Just using Pages '09 till the new version catches up seems the simplest solution. Plus when those features are not required the new version has some nifty features of its own.
Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features.
Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it
It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying.
I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.
Regrettably, I may return to MS Word
I've fought tooth and nail for the right to use a Mac in various workplaces, with the last in use at one government lab gone when I left. However, this Pages suddenly has me worried about the direction Apple is going with application software. The new version in my opinion is next to useless. Apple has produced the most sophisticated of operating systems but with the obvious exception of Keynote is destroying iWork. It is easy to visualise killer applications and the sophistication of Apple's software engineering capability makes it quite apparent that Apple actually thinks that this is what people want. iWork could be mind-blowing. I'd like to see Apple hungry, like a start-up, for the possibilities that OS X provides.
Meh. I don't worry about that. That's what Time Machine is for. I've been known to upgrade to a beta OS in the middle of a work day
Contrary to my sig, TM is not the Master of All Backups as it doesn't backup everything. Things like cache and tmp files do get 'backed up' when cloning a drive. I do both 8-)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:
1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element
2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document
3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail
4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document
5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
Etc., etc.
I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application.
The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.
The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.
Yep, you don’t understand it at all. Thanks for telling us.
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
You sure you’ve used it?
Whose fault is it for installing an update blind, again?
Yep, you don’t understand it at all. Thanks for telling us.
You sure you’ve used it?
Whose fault is it for installing an update blind, again?
Wow.
Welcome to my Block List.
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:
1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element
2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document
3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail
4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document
5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
Etc., etc.
I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application.
The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.
The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.
As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain. Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine. Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data - not just the original file you have on your hard disk. And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.
Welcome to my Block List.
That’s pretty sad. The guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and is now paying for it. There’s a reason Apple leaves iWork ’09 on your machine when you update. It’s his fault he deleted it. It’s his fault he installed an update blind. How you can defend him is beyond me.
Or maybe you had a different complaint. Do you not know why iWork ’14 works the way it does–why they made those changes?
Enjoy “blocking” me, by the way. I’m probably quoted too much for that to matter.
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Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
One would hope users would have learned ANYTHING about what Apple is doing when they completely revamp a product, but I guess not. Maybe users are getting too arrogant.
Wow.
Welcome to reality and the truth!
Oh what a grand mistake Final Cut was, wasn't it? It's now the smoothest and fastest non-linear editor on the market for forward thinking film projects. No... you may have problems bringing in your legacy projects into the new FPX, however, that doesn't stop you from recreating your libraries and the parts of a project that you may reuse in the new editor. Oh! Thta's kinda like Pages now. What a coincidence /s
What many have said on the Apple forums and AI already, which is the ONLY way to test a new software upgrade... of any kind... on any platform. Period.
You folks that continue to hold back the progress of the Post-PC Revolution started by Apple, just refuse to except that concept at all. Software MUST be redesigned and re-coded to make this transition. Apple is far and away leading that inevitability, with Google right on their heals. MS, Adobe, Autodesk, and Avid? Claiming to be on the side of their legacy users, but secretly hoping that they can reuse old legacy code and not be forced into a rewrite... or.... waiting for ARM chips to be fast enough to hack their crappy old luggage software to work. Sort of.. kind of... well, you can at least install it and try.
You really should inform yourself about some of the Apple patents, financial statements... rumors even...and ever growing evidence to the undeniable fact that Apple plans on being the leader in the Post-PC market. That means: 1) iOS software, hardware and platform first, 2) web services second, and 3) desktop hard and software (the trucks) to augment the transformation, last on the list.
I must admit Apple's secrecy and lack of communication is sometimes frustrating, and I can even accept labeling them "arrogant" at times. I actually do believe they think their customer base is smarter than they really are for choosing their products, and still haven't themselves realized and restructured to acknowledge the fact that they are a tech leader now, not only in their minds and work... but in reality with a huge fan and customer following. Many of which that have made the jump from a less-than-ideal alternative, but know no more today about computing than they did when they sprung. Apple has made so much easy for them, and due to the cleft between them and the alternative is so massively huge, that they fail to realize that there's still much to do to educate their customers, and specifically... where they are heading with this stuff.
Unfortunately, we have all witnessed why Apple is understandably rather shy about even presenting anything to the public. They are a) raked over the coals by the media, b) see their stock get pummeled by short-sighted anal-cysts; and c) have their ideas stolen by those other technology companies that want a part of the technology future that Apple is leading and pioneering.
Sometimes it's good to stand back and ask: what would YOU do in that situation. Sometimes you might come to the age-old conclusion: silence is golden.
Predictions for 2014-15:
Last but not least:
There will be massive wailing, gnashing of teeth, and lots of knee and elbow skin left on the path from dragging "The Legacy Lugs" along for the ride... but they'll eventually stand up and say,"Wow! This is pretty cool stuff! How do I get started?".... and declare without a second thought, "Me? I've ALWAYS believed in Apple and never once doubted their plans." Yuppp.......
Been there... seen and lived it since '78... have at least a dozen T-shirts to show for it. Still an Apple fanboy regardless of a bum elbow and trick knee :smokey:
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:
1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element
2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document
3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail
4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document
5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts
6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed
Etc., etc.
I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application.
The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.
The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain. Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine. Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way. One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.
BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data - not just the original file you have on your hard disk. And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
[URL=http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-we-arent-going-to-have-three-different-versions-of-windows-7000023593/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539]Microsoft: We aren't going to have three different versions of Windows:[/URL]
[QUOTE]Speaking at the UBS Global Technology Conference last week, Larson-Green confirmed Microsoft plans to reduce the number of Windows variants it has in its portfolio. She told attendees during a question and answer session the following:
"We have the Windows Phone OS. We have Windows RT and we have full Windows. We're not going to have three. We do think there's a world where there is a more mobile operating system that doesn't have the risks to battery life, or the risks to security. [B][I][COLOR=red]But, it also comes at the cost of flexibility.[/COLOR][/I][/B] So we believe in that vision and that direction and we're continuing down that path."[/QUOTE]
Without saying so (of course not!) they surely and certainly are validating Apple's Post-PC concept.
Whereas Apple is already yards and yards ahead of MS, moving the desktop to iOS (mobile)... MS is hoping to do that move in reverse mobile -> desktop.
IMHO I think Apple's approach is far better than MS's, and we'll see positive results with Apple's strategy allowing "true" productivity for users far sooner. The power of touch, mobile, web services, and new modern interaction with these devices is far better and a much more future-worthy... than a keyboard, mouse, and legacy desktop metaphors and hardware. Even more powerful than 2-position kickstands....
I still find it rather ironic that the company that brought the mouse to the masses, is going to be the one that also kills it... or leaves it "wasting away in the mouse-trap that is Windows."*
* That was so easy to write I'm sure it's been written before. My apologies, and I wave any wrongdoing, criminal intent, royalties, rights and/or copyright due to my lack of recall....:smokey:
One would hope users would have learned ANYTHING about what Apple is doing when they completely revamp a product,
I know, right? By now users should KNOW that Apple is utterly CLUELESS about how to manage product updates! They should know that just because Avid and Adobe and every other software vendor they deal with manages major rewrites without screwing their users is not a reason to expect Apple to have any competency whatsoever in that regard. Apple forges its own path, and when it comes to major software revisions, that path involves stripping features and functions until they can figure out what they're doing.
Oh what a grand mistake Final Cut was, wasn't it? It's now the smoothest and fastest non-linear editor on the market for forward thinking film projects.
SMOOTHEST and FASTEST? Have you tried Avid Nitris? Or is the overwhelmingly dominant market leader not "forward thinking" enough? Or, let's be honest, is it out of the running because it's not three hundred bucks?
Final Cut may finally be a competent editor (I don't know myself because I found the interface so opaque that I gave up on it) but that's little comfort to anyone had work to do anytime in the TWO YEARS it took for Apple to get their shit together. THAT'S the point. Other vendors manage major product revisions without losing major features and capability. They communicate with users so we know what to expect and can plan our business. Apple castrates their software with no warnings about critical changes, then gradually rebuilds it over a period of months or years and we're supposed to be grateful? Gimme a break.