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    solipsismx wrote: »
    Weight: 5.5 kg or 12.1 lbs

    "Something to drag about"
  • Reply 262 of 297
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    philboogie wrote: »

    The UK version of The Office. When I was tipped on this series I was told not to watch the US version. As good as a friend she is, I did take a peek, and she was right; I didn't like the US version. Oh well.

    I'll check out this movie you've pointed me to; thanks.

    edit: incredibly slow today: only now I see that I thought the clip was from the series but turns out to be from the movie. I'll stop posting until I wake up [goes out running, trying to do a half a marathon within 1'40'']

    I was a fan of the UK version of The Office so I didn't watch the US version at first as the US has a poor record of adopting shows. The first season of the US version was mostly the same with terms changed out that the US audience wouldn't recognize. The 6th and the final episode of season 1 was different, as I recall, and in season 2 it started being an original series.

    I think it was almost canceled for having poor ratings except for sales on the still fledging TV show section of the iTunes Store and then with the success of Steve Carrell's The 40 Year Old Virgin that boosted the show's ratings. It came into its own and I found it to be much better than the original simply because there was a lot mote episodes in which to connect to the characters.
  • Reply 263 of 297
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hmm wrote: »
    That's still a fairly large raid for a single individual. A fifth drive can technically function as a hot spare, but I'm not sure that offers much benefit with your configuration.

    Yeah, the hot spare option wouldn't make a difference for me. I use about 3.75GB right now but I suspect it'll take me years to fill up the other 4GB which is why 8GB of usable store seemed like a good number

    I honestly love that I was able to do all this on a 10 year old iMac. One of those with spherical base and the original flatscreen. I use Ethernet to my AEBS so 100Mbps is sufficient and it's not doing any real processing. It's basically what I've wanted Apple to release in a Home Server solution that uses iOS and ARM in a RAID solution.
  • Reply 264 of 297
    solipsismx wrote: »
    I was a fan of the UK version of The Office so I didn't watch the US version at first as the US has a poor record of adopting shows.

    Thank you for this. I was a bit, ehm, awry (? edit, wrong word) to post my preference for non-Ameria shows on an American website here, but trusted that we all are mature enough to not let any form of Xenophobia to surface.
    The first season of the US version was mostly the same with terms changed out that the US audience wouldn't recognize. The 6th and the final episode of season 1 was different, as I recall, and in season 2 it started being an original series.

    I Wiki-ed it and see that their height was 9M viewers with S5. They started with 5M viewers and ended at that number with S9. Still, 201 episodes is simply too much for me, which is why ?
    I think it was almost canceled for having poor ratings except for sales on the still fledging TV show section of the iTunes Store and then with the success of Steve Carrell's The 40 Year Old Virgin that boosted the show's ratings. It came into its own and I found it to be much better than the original simply because there was a lot mote episodes in which to connect to the characters.

    The 40 Year Old Virgin! Thanks, I'll rent that and have a ball, I hope, and only have to watch TV for 2h12m, which is more than enough for me.

    --

    Ok, back to tech.
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    But this one (MacWorld) is pretty useless. They compare import times with the old Mac Pro, which uses a HDD, and that is an unfair comparison. Also the comparisons with a laptop seems really... off.
    Also, it would be nice if some test site would set up a set of files that people could download and test on their own machines for comparison and to organize the results.  Real-world stuff like a movie that would have several effects performed on it, a 10-second animation in variety of 3D apps for rendering.

    I don't expect this type of in-depth reviews to pop up before the next batch arrives in Feb. So fa I've only seen FCP websites testing it. Hopefully they all are testing away this weekend and we can read upon their findings this coming week.
  • Reply 266 of 297
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    philboogie wrote: »
    Thank you for this. I was a bit, ehm, awry (? edit, wrong word) to post my preference for non-Ameria shows on an American website here, but trusted that we all are mature enough to not let any form of Xenophobia to surface.
    I Wiki-ed it and see that their height was 9M viewers with S5. They started with 5M viewers and ended at that number with S9. Still, 201 episodes is simply too much for me, which is why ?
    The 40 Year Old Virgin! Thanks, I'll rent that and have a ball, I hope, and only have to watch TV for 2h12m, which is more than enough for me.

    --

    Ok, back to tech.

    We could have an entire discussion about direct and lose adaption of TV shows. Most people think this is a newer phenomenon in television "where the executives have run out of ideas" but in reality it's been around for a long time. Sanford and Sons was adopted from the BBC series Steptoe and Son and I am pretty sure a lot of earlier sitcoms were adaptations from stage plays.

    Perhaps my favorite is "Inspector Spaceman" simply because it's both an in-show spoof and homage to Doctor Who.


    [VIDEO]


    The worst adaptation is the very short-lived Coupling. Moffat's original was brilliant but the US version was awful.

    Then you have adaptions that really aren't. For instance, Elementary is not a US adaption of Moffat's — favorite television writer, BTW — Sherlock. I think it came about from the success of Sherlock but the design of the show and characters are too unique to call it a copy. At most I'd say Sherlock inspired its creation but it's very much it's own beast.
  • Reply 267 of 297
    solipsismx wrote: »
    We could have an entire discussion about direct and lose adaption of TV shows. Most people think this is a newer phenomenon in television "where the executives have run out of ideas" but in reality it's been around for a long time. Sanford and Sons was adopted from the BBC series Steptoe and Son and I am pretty sure a lot of earlier sitcoms were adaptations from stage plays.

    Good point; many are indeed based on old plays.
    Perhaps my favorite is "Inspector Spaceman" simply because it's both an in-show spoof and homage to Doctor Who.




    The worst adaptation is the very short-lived Coupling. Moffat's original was brilliant but the US version was awful.

    Then you have adaptions that really aren't. For instance, Elementary is not a US adaption of Moffat's — favorite television writer, BTW — Sherlock. I think it came about from the success of Sherlock but the design of the show and characters are too unique to call it a copy. At most I'd say Sherlock inspired its creation but it's very much it's own beast.

    1) you seem to be a master at time management; if you can watch all this and still have your 2nd account hit the post count top #10 this week I simply cannot understand how you do it. Perhaps one eye is on the telly, and the other is reading and posting here at AI? Just don't tell me there are 3 other sites where you're one of the regular contributors as well!

    2) I just started watching Elementary, thanks to you. And I agree; not really a copy, yet still having the same quality. I'm really enjoying it. Normally I like to watch an entire series after it has finished airing, so I don't have to wait for it. I sure hope S2 is nearing an end so I can watch that straight after the 1st series.
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    philboogie wrote: »
    1) you seem to be a master at time management; if you can watch all this and still have your 2nd account hit the post count top #10 this week I simply cannot understand how you do it. Perhaps one eye is on the telly, and the other is reading and posting here at AI? Just don't tell me there are 3 other sites where you're one of the regular contributors as well!

    I consider myself a good multi-tasker but there is a lot of useless fat I could should cut from my routine.
    2) I just started watching Elementary, thanks to you. And I agree; not really a copy, yet still having the same quality. I'm really enjoying it. Normally I like to watch an entire series after it has finished airing, so I don't have to wait for it. I sure hope S2 is nearing an end so I can watch that straight after the 1st series.

    IMO, Sherlock is better than Elementary up until the last few episodes of S01 then is surpasses it.
  • Reply 269 of 297
    solipsismx wrote: »
    I consider myself a good multi-tasker but there is a lot of useless fat I could should cut from my routine.

    Excellent! I love people who do a strikethrough on could and make the effort in should. Hats of if it turns into a did.
    IMO, Sherlock is better than Elementary up until the last few episodes of S01 then is surpasses it.

    Wow! So it only gets better? In that case; signing off and onto the couch, I deserved it after my workout today.
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    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post







    I think it was almost canceled for having poor ratings except for sales on the still fledging TV show section of the iTunes Store and then with the success of Steve Carrell's The 40 Year Old Virgin that boosted the show's ratings. It came into its own and I found it to be much better than the original simply because there was a lot mote episodes in which to connect to the characters.

    I used to watch The Daily Show for Carrell's sarcasm. I still never got into the US version of The Office though.

     

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Yeah, the hot spare option wouldn't make a difference for me. I use about 3.75GB right now but I suspect it'll take me years to fill up the other 4GB which is why 8GB of usable store seemed like a good number



    I honestly love that I was able to do all this on a 10 year old iMac. One of those with spherical base and the original flatscreen. I use Ethernet to my AEBS so 100Mbps is sufficient and it's not doing any real processing. It's basically what I've wanted Apple to release in a Home Server solution that uses iOS and ARM in a RAID solution.

     

    So you want an Apple branded NAS with some kind of file check in /check out? That is kind of how it sounds.

  • Reply 271 of 297
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hmm wrote: »
    I used to watch The Daily Show for Carrell's sarcasm. I still never got into the US version of The Office though.

    Little known fact: Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrell are the voices of Ace and Gary, respectively, on the cartoon The Ambiguously Gay Duo which first aired in 1996, well before each were famous.
    So you want an Apple branded NAS with some kind of file check in /check out? That is kind of how it sounds.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "file check in/check out." Basically watch I want is least a 2 drive system that works much like Windows Home Server, except with the added bonus of also being an iTunes Server that doesn't need Mac OS or Windows with iTunes to run, Time Machine backups, and be able to lot your home's device types so that it can grab SW and OS updates once and then allow your home server to administer them locally instead of each device grabbing them from the internet independently.

    Why doesn't Time Capsule work for me? That's basically two drives if you're only using it for Time Machine backups since you have the default machine(s) and the Time Capsule, but for a true home server, especially one that is your media hub for iTunes content Time Capsule offers no redundancy.
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    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    philboogie wrote: »
    Excellent! I love people who do a strikethrough on could and make the effort in should. Hats of if it turns into a did.

    If I were truly committed I would have done a strikethrough on should and written will.
  • Reply 273 of 297
    solipsismx wrote: »

    I'm not sure what you mean by "file check in/check out." Basically watch I want is least a 2 drive system that works much like Windows Home Server, except with the added bonus of also being an iTunes Server that doesn't need Mac OS or Windows with iTunes to run, Time Machine backups, and be able to lot your home's device types so that it can grab SW and OS updates once and then allow your home server to administer them locally instead of each device grabbing them from the internet independently.

    Sounds like that is what Tallest Skil also wants. Maybe we can see a large WiFi HDMI stick from Apple, which connects to a iTunes Home Server?

    As for centralized software updates, I have installed a SUS server once (Windows) and that indeed works perfect. Though with the fats Internet access people nowadays have I fail to see the use if a family 'only' has about 5 Macs and 10 iOS devices. Sure, it adds up, but not a deal breaker unles you're on dial up. Does that even exist anymore? It's unavailable here in The Netherlands.
  • Reply 274 of 297
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Little known fact: Stephen Colbert and Steve Carrell are the voices of Ace and Gary, respectively, on the cartoon The Ambiguously Gay Duo which first aired in 1996, well before each were famous.

     

    Regarding the Ambiguously Gay Duo, the BBC sort of beat them to the punchline on that one. Think of The Ambiguously Gay Duo as the US version of Bananaman.

     

    Quote:

    I'm not sure what you mean by "file check in/check out." Basically watch I want is least a 2 drive system that works much like Windows Home Server, except with the added bonus of also being an iTunes Server that doesn't need Mac OS or Windows with iTunes to run, Time Machine backups, and be able to lot your home's device types so that it can grab SW and OS updates once and then allow your home server to administer them locally instead of each device grabbing them from the internet independently.


    I meant a self contained way to ensure against write and/or read permissions being assigned to more than one simultaneous client.

     

  • Reply 275 of 297
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,580member
    z3r0 wrote: »

    Ok so I should look past the Mac Pro benchmarks indicating a 12 core Xeon E5-2697 V2 (server CPU)?
    http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/11/estimating-mac-pro-performance/

    Or maybe ignore intel's page listing several servers using the same chip (including the Dell T620)?
    http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/benchmarks/server/xeon-e5-2600-v2/xeon-e5-2600-v2-summary.html

    The Mac Pro does use a server class Xeon on the high end.


    Just for kicks, you can even find the same Xeon server class chips in laptops:
    http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/eurocom_launches_laptop_with_12_core_intel_xeon_e5_2697_v2_cpu.html

    You are misunderstanding g what you're reading. There are two version of each of these chips, you are looking at the server versions.
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    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,580member
    z3r0 wrote: »
    It's not a server but uses server class CPUs and can run OS X Server. No reason for Apple to hold back, the Dell PowerEdge T620 starts at $1,199.00 and goes up from there based on configuration (a lot more than 200 configurations BTW)

    Dell PowerEdge T620 Pricing:
    http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t620/pd?~ck=anav

    You don't need server chips to run a server. The Mac Mini is a very popular server for cruise ships, hotels and casinos. It doesn't use server chips.
  • Reply 277 of 297
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,580member
    melgross wrote: »
    You are misunderstanding g what you're reading. There are two version of each of these chips, you are looking at the server versions.

    Server and workstation chips and chipsets. The chips a very similar, but not quite the same. The chipsets are quite different, particularly concerning memory.

    http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/server-chipsets/server-workstation-chipsets.html
  • Reply 278 of 297
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by melgross View Post





     The chips a very similar, but not quite the same. The chipsets are quite different, particularly concerning memory.

     

    I don't understand his method of disambiguation. There are chips used in micro-servers that that are virtually identical to those in the imac. They are branded E3. Both E5-1600 and E5-2600 show up in servers. There are i7 versions of the E5-1600 variants. They are branded i7 Ivy Bridge E, yet use the same LGA2011 socket. It's a strange place to draw a line.

  • Reply 279 of 297
    hmm wrote: »
    It's a very silly movie, and I used to reference it more often, such as suggesting there was a minimum number of tattoos required to work at the place where I went for a haircut. Perhaps you'll get that joke once you see the movie.

    Sorry, too silly for my taste. Doesn't matter, was only €4. I did give it a try, even though I knew from the traffic jam this movie was going nowhere. I did think the secretary with that high, fast-paced voice was funny. Then came that woman from Friends, so I gave up. Thanks though.
  • Reply 280 of 297
    philboogie wrote: »
    400

    Ahh... Raclettes


    400

    Eeew... Poo!


    1000

    Mmmm...
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