I think some already said it, why would you want to give google another access point into your home and what you do day to day. I think these are great ideas but have limits on who will buy and put these kinds of products in their home. If you starting from scratch then these home automation ideal can work nicely, but since most home in the world are not the same or build around any sort of standard that everyone follows it make these kinds of devices complicated at best. Also keep in mind the largest portion of the world populations live in high density housing so the owners of those properties are not going to allow people to install things like this.
Samsung is also looking to tie your home appliance into the cloud and your home, interest strategy, but most people do not replace those items all that often it is usually buy once and never replace it until it dies.
I think some already said it, why would you want to give google another access point into your home and what you do day to day.
Worse, if privacy was a great concern why would anyone give it up to a start-up company with no history who just might merge with or be bought out by some other company at some point? It could just as well been Facebook or Microsoft or TECO or some complete unknown as the buyer. IMO not so much that Nest got bought out or any particular privacy concerns but that it was the hated Google that bought 'em.
YEAH. BECAUSE ANDROID SURE DIDN’T CHANGE BETWEEN PURCHASE AND RELEASE.
As do many products. Even the iPhone and the UI changed from inception to release. You kill the detractors of the iPhone and you also kill the one company that realized that Apple's take on the smartphone was the future and adjusted their game plan accordingly. Now they most certainly could've done it in a more nobler way but in business you either do or you die. Those they didn't no longer exist (Palm) or are on their way to extinction (BB).
I guess the pictorial distraction was to fill the awkward void until you can find that Apple claim of Schmidt stealing trade secrets. You do put pretty good combos together tho. Funny!
Guys & Girls, Apple did / does NOT need this crap.
Goofle with their dumb and talentless workers need the brains behind the design.
Microsoft is the one who should've bought them but not at that price or else the whole Internet would laugh! But they don't laugh at Goofle! Why? Because Goofle is well ... Goofle!
Goofle paid 3.2 billion for the NAME of the MAN behind so-called VISION who everyone calls him the Father of iPod (or something like that) NOT for the product they selling.
Also, Nest is a luxury crap which is NOT in a typical Gooflers' DNA to buy. YES, if ever Goofle gives it out for FREE, then their fans would love to have one. Until then, there goes another 3.2 billions for something that Goofle has NO clue if they can use it to make some $$ if ever.
From Tony Fadell's Nest bio page: "Tony led the team that created the first 18 generations of the iPod and the first three generations of the iPhone. Before Apple, Tony built the Mobile Computing Group at Philips Electronics. Tony has authored more than 300 patents."
He brings a lot more to Google's table than just his current products.
Umm. What are the accomplishments of the Mobile Computing Group at Phillips Electronics?
The iPhone sure didn't change between their initial idea and the final product. :rolleyes:
Oh gosh, Google guy. Apple took a big risk w/ releasing the iPhone. Google just followed the leader with minimal risk (relatively speaking). There was nothing like iOS on the market with a software keyboard.
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Yeah, see, ‘every company’ doesn’t make a living on doing dirty things. Google does.
1. You were insinuating Google an immoral company hence I asked if you use the search engine from the immoral Google. Also you insinuate that Tony Fadell is doing something immoral by selling Nest to Google. That's just absurd.
2. Google doesn't make a living on doing dirty things. Google makes all its income with advertising which is not illegal or dirty in anyway? Google copying iOS with Android was dirty. Apple copying Xerox's mouse and GUI was dirty. Microsoft copying Mac's GUI was dirty. They all do it.
TS, as a fellow Apple fan, your distortion field needs to dial down.
Oh gosh, Google guy. Apple took a big risk w/ releasing the iPhone. Google just followed the leader with minimal risk (relatively speaking). There was nothing like iOS on the market with a software keyboard.
I disagree, it wasn’t as big as a risk that it's been made out to be. It was a phone that had a already highly successful product (iPod) built in. Many people were carrying around a cell phone plus a iPod, creating a device with both into one device that worked well (Motorola failed in their attempt) was a fairly safe thing to try.
What's a bit odd is Nest gear is high end. Everything Google and Android is about cheap low end.
I think you could argue that Google is trying to hit all points on the demand curve with their products, whereas Apple focuses primarily on the premium customer segment. There's a huge range in quality of Android compatible hardware and if you look at things like Google Fibre and Google Glass they seem to be targeting affluent customers at the moment.
I have a Nest and like it (no issues so far) but the $3.2B is a lot of money for a company that has only two hardware products. As much as I would have liked to see Apple buy it to keep it out of Google's hands I'm glad they didn't. They have more than enough to focus on with the (hopefully) upcoming release of the iWatch, iTelevision, iPad Pro, as well as all of the updates for current products they have in the works.
Worse, if privacy was a great concern why would anyone give it up to a start-up company with no history who just might merge with or be bought out by some other company at some point? It could just as well been Facebook or Microsoft or TECO or some complete unknown as the buyer. IMO not so much that Nest got bought out or any particular privacy concerns but that it was the hated Google that bought 'em.
Point well taken, and there is no reason why a device like this need to be routed through some cloud services. You should be able to communicated directly to it without any need to have someone acting as a proxy to our connect to the house. Personally I do not have an issue with a company having the information, it what they do with it. In this case NEST was most likely passing data through and I would like to believe they were not going to sell the information. They hopefully were using it to make the product better, but we have no clue what google plans to do with the information.
Google having granular insight into what the market wants via search queries is going to eventually give them an advantage that Apple should definitely be worried about. In fact, I would be willing to bet that Google has been using search data in all of their strategic decisions and this has helped them make the gains they have with Android as well as other initiatives.
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That's a very interesting observation. I would have thought that Google Trends being publicly available would eliminate such an advantage. Can you expand on exactly what your thoughts were? I've seen some very clever people using Google Trends to make some accurate projections, but it never dawned on me that Google themselves could be gaining competitive advantage.
Well, admittedly I've never used Google Trends myself but I imagine that it's the dummies version of the type of data that's available to Google. Or at the very least there's a time delay between when they publish the data and when it's available to them. For example, they could track the exact number of Boston iPhone users that are in the home renovation field researching Nest products via google and when it spikes higher they could be alerted. Or how many iPhone/Mac users were searching for alternative mail apps like Sparrow, or that Waze was the most often searched for app during the Apple maps fiasco. Or even what the most searched "iPhone annoyance" is and use it in the development of their next Android revision as well as for their next marketing campaign. Also, with their ability to peer into people's gmail accounts they might even have knowledge of competitors strategic moves via employees carelessly using a Gmail account. I'm sure we could come up with even more scary stuff that they could easily know.
The point is that eventually (maybe 10 years from now or maybe 2) this is going to become too powerful to be dealt with by any competitor. It's like going to war with someone where you can only see the small battlefield in front of you while they have a top down view of the whole battlefield. I hope this concept has dawned on Apple brass and they have a strategy in place to outflank Google. I can't say that it seems likely though.
I disagree, it wasn’t as big as a risk that it's been made out to be. It was a phone that had a already highly successful product (iPod) built in. Many people were carrying around a cell phone plus a iPod, creating a device with both into one device that worked well (Motorola failed in their attempt) was a fairly safe thing to try.
This was Apple's first attempt at cell phones. Other manus were integrating music in to their own cell phones. If Apple failed, the others would slowly eat away at the iPod. If Apple failed, there would be no iPad. There would be no Apple.
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The iPhone sure didn't change between their initial idea and the final product. :rolleyes:
I think some already said it, why would you want to give google another access point into your home and what you do day to day. I think these are great ideas but have limits on who will buy and put these kinds of products in their home. If you starting from scratch then these home automation ideal can work nicely, but since most home in the world are not the same or build around any sort of standard that everyone follows it make these kinds of devices complicated at best. Also keep in mind the largest portion of the world populations live in high density housing so the owners of those properties are not going to allow people to install things like this.
Samsung is also looking to tie your home appliance into the cloud and your home, interest strategy, but most people do not replace those items all that often it is usually buy once and never replace it until it dies.
Worse, if privacy was a great concern why would anyone give it up to a start-up company with no history who just might merge with or be bought out by some other company at some point? It could just as well been Facebook or Microsoft or TECO or some complete unknown as the buyer. IMO not so much that Nest got bought out or any particular privacy concerns but that it was the hated Google that bought 'em.
He thinks that’s in any way comparable!
As do many products. Even the iPhone and the UI changed from inception to release. You kill the detractors of the iPhone and you also kill the one company that realized that Apple's take on the smartphone was the future and adjusted their game plan accordingly. Now they most certainly could've done it in a more nobler way but in business you either do or you die. Those they didn't no longer exist (Palm) or are on their way to extinction (BB).
I guess the pictorial distraction was to fill the awkward void until you can find that Apple claim of Schmidt stealing trade secrets. You do put pretty good combos together tho. Funny!
Nice try.
Guys & Girls, Apple did / does NOT need this crap.
Goofle with their dumb and talentless workers need the brains behind the design.
Microsoft is the one who should've bought them but not at that price or else the whole Internet would laugh! But they don't laugh at Goofle! Why? Because Goofle is well ... Goofle!
Goofle paid 3.2 billion for the NAME of the MAN behind so-called VISION who everyone calls him the Father of iPod (or something like that) NOT for the product they selling.
Also, Nest is a luxury crap which is NOT in a typical Gooflers' DNA to buy. YES, if ever Goofle gives it out for FREE, then their fans would love to have one. Until then, there goes another 3.2 billions for something that Goofle has NO clue if they can use it to make some $$ if ever.
Edit -> Interesting!! http://www.tuaw.com/2014/01/14/why-apple-didnt-buy-nest/
From Tony Fadell's Nest bio page: "Tony led the team that created the first 18 generations of the iPod and the first three generations of the iPhone. Before Apple, Tony built the Mobile Computing Group at Philips Electronics. Tony has authored more than 300 patents."
He brings a lot more to Google's table than just his current products.
Umm. What are the accomplishments of the Mobile Computing Group at Phillips Electronics?
Philips makes many medical electronics, and they also make cordless phones.
Oh gosh, Google guy. Apple took a big risk w/ releasing the iPhone. Google just followed the leader with minimal risk (relatively speaking). There was nothing like iOS on the market with a software keyboard.
What on Earth leads you to need to ask this question?
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Yeah, see, ‘every company’ doesn’t make a living on doing dirty things. Google does.
1. You were insinuating Google an immoral company hence I asked if you use the search engine from the immoral Google. Also you insinuate that Tony Fadell is doing something immoral by selling Nest to Google. That's just absurd.
2. Google doesn't make a living on doing dirty things. Google makes all its income with advertising which is not illegal or dirty in anyway? Google copying iOS with Android was dirty. Apple copying Xerox's mouse and GUI was dirty. Microsoft copying Mac's GUI was dirty. They all do it.
TS, as a fellow Apple fan, your distortion field needs to dial down.
I disagree, it wasn’t as big as a risk that it's been made out to be. It was a phone that had a already highly successful product (iPod) built in. Many people were carrying around a cell phone plus a iPod, creating a device with both into one device that worked well (Motorola failed in their attempt) was a fairly safe thing to try.
What's a bit odd is Nest gear is high end. Everything Google and Android is about cheap low end.
I think you could argue that Google is trying to hit all points on the demand curve with their products, whereas Apple focuses primarily on the premium customer segment. There's a huge range in quality of Android compatible hardware and if you look at things like Google Fibre and Google Glass they seem to be targeting affluent customers at the moment.
Worse, if privacy was a great concern why would anyone give it up to a start-up company with no history who just might merge with or be bought out by some other company at some point? It could just as well been Facebook or Microsoft or TECO or some complete unknown as the buyer. IMO not so much that Nest got bought out or any particular privacy concerns but that it was the hated Google that bought 'em.
Point well taken, and there is no reason why a device like this need to be routed through some cloud services. You should be able to communicated directly to it without any need to have someone acting as a proxy to our connect to the house. Personally I do not have an issue with a company having the information, it what they do with it. In this case NEST was most likely passing data through and I would like to believe they were not going to sell the information. They hopefully were using it to make the product better, but we have no clue what google plans to do with the information.
Google having granular insight into what the market wants via search queries is going to eventually give them an advantage that Apple should definitely be worried about. In fact, I would be willing to bet that Google has been using search data in all of their strategic decisions and this has helped them make the gains they have with Android as well as other initiatives.
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That's a very interesting observation. I would have thought that Google Trends being publicly available would eliminate such an advantage. Can you expand on exactly what your thoughts were? I've seen some very clever people using Google Trends to make some accurate projections, but it never dawned on me that Google themselves could be gaining competitive advantage.
Well, admittedly I've never used Google Trends myself but I imagine that it's the dummies version of the type of data that's available to Google. Or at the very least there's a time delay between when they publish the data and when it's available to them. For example, they could track the exact number of Boston iPhone users that are in the home renovation field researching Nest products via google and when it spikes higher they could be alerted. Or how many iPhone/Mac users were searching for alternative mail apps like Sparrow, or that Waze was the most often searched for app during the Apple maps fiasco. Or even what the most searched "iPhone annoyance" is and use it in the development of their next Android revision as well as for their next marketing campaign. Also, with their ability to peer into people's gmail accounts they might even have knowledge of competitors strategic moves via employees carelessly using a Gmail account. I'm sure we could come up with even more scary stuff that they could easily know.
The point is that eventually (maybe 10 years from now or maybe 2) this is going to become too powerful to be dealt with by any competitor. It's like going to war with someone where you can only see the small battlefield in front of you while they have a top down view of the whole battlefield. I hope this concept has dawned on Apple brass and they have a strategy in place to outflank Google. I can't say that it seems likely though.
This was Apple's first attempt at cell phones. Other manus were integrating music in to their own cell phones. If Apple failed, the others would slowly eat away at the iPod. If Apple failed, there would be no iPad. There would be no Apple.