Users have suggested that competing streaming music services do not have this same issue.
Unfortunately this is not true. I've had this same issue with Slacker Radio and have reported it to them multiple times. I don't like profanity in music myself, but it's really infuriating when something unexpected pops up while the kids are in the car.
PS: Personally, I hate that there are words I won't use. It's just a string of letters or sound waves yet I won't use them because they are considered too taboo for today's society. I am a hypocrite because I also feel that no words should be off limits to adults.
Why is this a bad thing? Language, like action, can offend, hurt or embarrass. I hate that our society is starting to see boundaries of civility as a negative. Like burping at the dinner table, profanity should be seen as both unnecessary and undesirable.
Why is this a bad thing? Language, like action, can offend, hurt or embarrass. I hate that our society is starting to see boundaries of civility as a negative. Like burping at the dinner table, profanity should be seen as both unnecessary and undesirable.
So context has no meaning for you? So you don't see a difference between a bigoted comment that uses no negative terminology" vs. a using a bigoted term in a non combative way?
So context has no meaning for you? So you don't see a difference between a bigoted comment that uses no negative terminology" vs. a using a bigoted term in a non combative way?
Of course. But there are words I find unnecessary regardless of context, which is something some people choose to hide behind when throwing out words they know will likely inflame.
Frankly I find most profanity in music gratuitous and gimmicky. It's all about the shock value.
Of course. But there are words I find unnecessary regardless of context, which is something some people choose to hide behind when throwing out words they know will likely inflame.
Frankly I find most profanity in music gratuitous and gimmicky. It's all about the shock value.
You're missing the point. I'm talking about using language without any intent to inflame, and yet there is a major divide between these all these inflammatory, derogative words that we will or won't use in a disinterested manner because the reader or listener chooses to get worked up over the placement of letters or utterance of a sound even when the context clearly shows it's not pejorative.
No, we can't all agree that cursing in and of itself is a sign of ignorance and the lack of a diverse vocabulary. The import we put upon certain words are surely learned but no word, even cursed words are not actually cursed. They are a part of our diverse lexicon and can be used to great effect to make a point more poignant because the word carries a heavier meaning, not in spite of. This is the beauty of language.
When it's intended to be used for dramatic effect, a curse can be quite effective, but let's get real. As used by most comics, in much music and by people being interviewed, it's far over-used and it's a crutch. If you have to say f__k every few words, then I would agree with the OP that it's used by people who have a very limited vocabulary and imagination.
I also disagree with the person who posted that words are just sound waves. Words have very specific meanings and contexts and they're far from just sound waves. Words can be very hurtful. Call your girlfriend a c__t and see if you still agree that it's just a sound wave.
I actually hate it when John Stewart curses because who is he doing it for? It's not like there's a way you can hear it un-bleeped. The only people who hear it uncensored are the studio audience. IMO, that makes his cursing a bit absurd and since he does it so often - multiple times per show - it's also not very effective.
As far as children are concerned, it's not that they're going to have some kind of breakdown if they happen to hear a curse-word in the media. It's that hearing such words in the media makes them acceptable for daily use, regardless of the audience. We used to filter what we'd say depending upon who was listening. We talked to our friends on the street corner differently than we'd talk to our parents or a teacher or even a waiter in a local diner. What's happened today is that everyone has lost their filters. That doesn't make us more honest - it only makes us more vulgar and IMO, is part of the dumbing down of America.
But getting back to the original topic, I can only think of two cases where this "bug" would be a problem: where kids listen and where music is played publicly. Does anyone else who personally listens to rap/hip-hop actually choose to NOT listen to the explicit version? Seems to me that if you don't want to hear the explicit version, then you don't really want to listen to the "song" at all. And this should be easy for Apple to fix as long as they're tying every track of every album to the original SKU#. While the SKU itself doesn't provide info as to whether it's the explicit version or not, once that's known, the SKU can be used to control the filter. This is Metadata 101.
I guess it's time for me to weigh in on a pet peeve of mine related to this topic, though slightly different from the gripe (which seems like a bug). The "explicit" rating system is poorly implemented and over-simplistic.
It's not just the famous 7 words that should get a song the "explicit" rating. I can hear some of you saying "huh?!", but I'll list the lyrics below of a song that's completely inappropriate in the context of, say, an 11 year old daughter that loves to listen to popular music, and yet it's NOT marked explicit on the iTunes store, apparently because it doesn't use any of a specific set of words (this may have changed, as song ratings do change over time, but true last time I checked).
Macklemore: The Penis Song
Ladies and gentlemen
Introducing, the penis song.
(Oh no he didn't)
(Honk a dick)
This is my penis song
I wish that I had a bigger shlong
One that was quite a bit more thick and way more long
One of those porno king kong dongs
Check it out
I wish my dick was bigger, I can admit it
I'm above average on inches but I want a damn double digit
If I had a big ol' cock what would I do?
I'd probably go to Florida and show it Katrina and screw
Get buck naked and start streaking at my school
And get arrested but at least the girls would be impressed
With my third leg and, and then I'd go to a keg and
Do a keg stand, get drunk and do the running man
With no clothes on just to show off
My dick's bigger than yours when mine is cold and soft
Haha, oh yeah I forgot that's not really the cock that I have
I went out and party-bagged 'em and quickly opened the package
And it fit me like Kriss Kross's old school starter jackets
Trying to convince myself like, "Size doesn't matter, "
Anyways I'd probably just put it on backwards cause I mean
I know that god made us all different and special
But shit did he really have to invent lopsided testicles?
I don't have them I just feel bad for the like you know the guys with like
Their left one hangs like lower than the right, kinda like a lazy eye like on your balls
I mean I don't know, I just feel bad
This is my penis song
I wish that I had a bigger shlong
One that was quite a bit more thick and way more long
Fellas if ya'll feel me sing along
Yo ladies
Yeah?
Ladies!
Yeah?
Do you want a guy with an average dick?
Hell no
Then- wait you don't?
No you honkey dick
Okay that's cool, no that's fine
I promise, I'm so self conscious
That's why you never see me skinny dippin' in August
Always walkin' around with my hands in my pockets trying to pump blood into my guy Alfonso
I mean, goddamn I don't think you girls understand
I've had a complex since that song Short Short Man
And even though girls have told me that I'm big when I watch a porno I feel like a little kid
I mean, let's take Ron Jeremy
Now if a girl sees him she'll compare him to me
And every MC in hip hop has got a huge cock
Or at least talks about it in every song that they've got
I mean, shit
If I was really hung I'd make a whole album called Me and My Dick
With interludes of all the girls that I'd been with
And talk about my package and multiple orgasms
'Cause all that I see is that size does matter
We got Enzite, penis pumps surgery to Viagra
But when it all adds up you can't really change it
I'm not a porno star I just gotta face it
You know, what can I do
This song goes out to like all the like little bit above average dudes
So like all the small dudes, medium dudes but all you big dudes stop
This is my penis song
I wish that I had a bigger shlong
One that was quite a bit more thick and way more long
Fellas if ya'll feel me sing along
I don't give a tiniest shit what we listen to as adults. I have my share of raunchy music from back in the day that I don't make available to my kids.
Does anyone else think this track should get away without an "explicit" rating?
Let me rephrase that. Does anyone who has or had daughters think this song is okay for kids?
Except c*nt... that word can only be used once in a lifetime, and be prepared to sleep on the couch. :)
Not here in The Netherlands. We use it all the time, including women. And it sounds just as 'blunt' in Dutch. If it comes out less ferociously we add 'mess' to it: KUTZOOI!
You're missing the point. I'm talking about using language without any intent to inflame, and yet there is a major divide between these all these inflammatory, derogative words that we will or won't use in a disinterested manner because the reader or listener chooses to get worked up over the placement of letters or utterance of a sound even when the context clearly shows it's not pejorative.
No, I get your point, I just don't agree with it. There are plenty of intelligent ways to express an idea, emotion or opinion without resorting to words that are well-known to inflame or offend.
Regarding music, I find few things more agitating than a bizarrely-placed F word in the middle of a beautiful song. It's like a dog dropping a dookie on your freshly-mowed lawn. It's annoying and it stinks.
When it's intended to be used for dramatic effect, a curse can be quite effective, but let's get real. As used by most comics, in much music and by people being interviewed, it's far over-used and it's a crutch. If you have to say f__k every few words, then I would agree with the OP that it's used by people who have a very limited vocabulary and imagination.
I also disagree with the person who posted that words are just sound waves. Words have very specific meanings and contexts and they're far from just sound waves. Words can be very hurtful. Call your girlfriend a c__t and see if you still agree that it's just a sound wave.
I actually hate it when John Stewart curses because who is he doing it for? It's not like there's a way you can hear it un-bleeped. The only people who hear it uncensored are the studio audience. IMO, that makes his cursing a bit absurd and since he does it so often - multiple times per show - it's also not very effective.
As far as children are concerned, it's not that they're going to have some kind of breakdown if they happen to hear a curse-word in the media. It's that hearing such words in the media makes them acceptable for daily use, regardless of the audience. We used to filter what we'd say depending upon who was listening. We talked to our friends on the street corner differently than we'd talk to our parents or a teacher or even a waiter in a local diner. What's happened today is that everyone has lost their filters. That doesn't make us more honest - it only makes us more vulgar and IMO, is part of the dumbing down of America.
But getting back to the original topic, I can only think of two cases where this "bug" would be a problem: where kids listen and where music is played publicly. Does anyone else who personally listens to rap/hip-hop actually choose to NOT listen to the explicit version? Seems to me that if you don't want to hear the explicit version, then you don't really want to listen to the "song" at all. And this should be easy for Apple to fix as long as they're tying every track of every album to the original SKU#. While the SKU itself doesn't provide info as to whether it's the explicit version or not, once that's known, the SKU can be used to control the filter. This is Metadata 101.
1) Andysol didn't say that the excessive use of a word or phrase is a sign of a limited vocabulary, he stated that the use of it at all — with no qualification for excessiveness — "is typically ignorant because you can't expand your vocabulary enough to create other adjectives, verbs, and noun." That's not factual.
2) I wrote that words are letter in a particular order and sound waves. That is undeniably true. It's that association with these forms as emotions that is the problems if they ignorantly applied to those forms and not the context in which they are meant. Do you think that having a conversation with someone where you say the word **** in a complete neutral form is worse than yelling at your girlfriend but calling her a "raging c-word" without actually saying ****? Come on! That's fucking* stupid.
So context has no meaning for you? So you don't see a difference between a bigoted comment that uses no negative terminology" vs. a using a bigoted term in a non combative way?
I'd love to hear how C*nt is used in a non-combative way. And by that I mean in general conversation- not simply talking about the word like I am.
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Does anyone else think this track should get away without an "explicit" rating?
Let me rephrase that. Does anyone who has or had daughters think this song is okay for kids?
That song is not okay for anyone. These are lyrics? oh pop music... how you make it through the decades I'll never know.
1) Andysol didn't say that the excessive use of a word or phrase is a sign of a limited vocabulary, he stated that the use of it at all — with no qualification for excessiveness — "is typically ignorant because you can't expand your vocabulary enough to create other adjectives, verbs, and noun." That's not factual.
I'll disagree. With the same inflection, one could call something "F*cking big" or "gargantuan" and get the same point across. Now if someone were to say "F*cking gargantuan"- I don't see how that makes something sound any bigger or makes my ears perk up more.
The problem is that most cursers say "F*cking big" because they can't think of anything better to say.
I have an over-curser in my office. Instead of hearing his point- I think "Man- can he say a sentence without cursing?"
Let me rephrase that. Does anyone who has or had daughters think this song is okay for kids?
I think it's okay for 12 and above. I certainly have less of a problem with that song, which is meant to be a joke and isn't hurtful to anyone than with a rapper who talks about "bitches and hoes". But let's say it isn't okay for a 12-year-old. Why does it need to be censored? Why can't parents raise their kids so either
a) they'd have no interest in that song -or-
b) they'd tell their kid that they didn't want them listening to it (and the kid would actually obey).
Why are you asking Apple to be a parent to your child?
Back in the day, my daughter was reading some Judy Blume book (probably intended for teens or tweens), where the young girl takes off her blouse when a boy she likes refuses to leave her bedroom (or something like that). I happened to catch that page and I said to my daughter that it wasn't for her yet and I didn't want her reading it. She said, "fine" and that was that. She never read it, but if she had snuck reading it anyway, I probably would have figured that it meant she was mature enough to handle it. Certainly, even 10-year-old girls know that boys are sexually attracted to them, even if they don't understand every aspect of what that physical attraction means.
I'd love to hear how c.unt is used in a non-combative way.
Done.
And by that I mean in general conversation- not simply talking about the word like I am.
So now you want a very specific type of example without considering that a word that is oft used in a pejorative way doesn't have to be used in a pejorative way? That's just ridiculous!
Show me a dictionary or encyclopedia that refers to vulgar and derogatory terms in a language with symbols found above the number row on a keyboard instead of actually spelling it out.
I'll disagree. With the same inflection, one could call something "F*cking big" or "gargantuan" and get the same point across. Now if someone were to say "F*cking gargantuan"- I don't see how that makes something sound any bigger or makes my ears perk up.
The problem is that most cursers say "F*cking big" because they can't think of anything better to say.
I have an over-curser in my office. Instead of hearing his point- I think "Man- can he say a sentence without cursing?"
Again, you're using a very limited scope to make a declaration for everything. This comnversrtaion clearly shows that you, zoetmb and RedHotFuzz are putting your emotions before your critical thinking. Have you ever considered why these words get you so upset? Did you even read the page of outmoded curse words?
The worse part of all this is people thinking that using the specific, altered terms: N-word, C-Word, F-you, etc. in a nasty way somehow exempts them.
edit: This is likely an example of a bigoted comment poking fun at how native speakers of different language speak additional languages but since he doesn't use one the predetermined cursed words you were taught I have to think this is not an issue for you.
So now you want a very specific type of example without considering that a word that is oft used in a pejorative way doesn't have to be used in a pejorative way? That's just ridiculous!
Show me a dictionary or encyclopedia that refers to vulgar and derogatory terms in a language with symbols found above the number row on a keyboard instead of actually spelling it out.
The dictionary is simply spelling it out and providing a definition. And yes- I would like an example of how it is used in a way that is not pejorative.
There are two sides to this coin on other words. Take the N-word. There is a camp that thinks it should be used so often that it no longer has a negative connotation, and there is a camp that never wants it used for any reason- rap songs or otherwise.
Who is right? I have no idea.
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I think it's okay for 12 and above. I certainly have less of a problem with that song, which is meant to be a joke and isn't hurtful to anyone than with a rapper who talks about "bitches and hoes". But let's say it isn't okay for a 12-year-old. Why does it need to be censored? Why can't parents raise their kids so either
a) they'd have no interest in that song -or-
b) they'd tell their kid that they didn't want them listening to it (and the kid would actually obey).
Why are you asking Apple to be a parent to your child?
I agree with you completely. However, I think he meant if he puts on a station on iTunes Radio, then that song shouldn't play. Say your daughter has her headphones on and shes listening to "katy perry radio" or some godawful station, so you don't get to hear that to have the opportunity to tell them to not listen to it because you never heard it. Yes, I would love to monitor my child all the time, but the reality is that isn't a reality.
Again- I agree- and I'm with you- a big believer of making sure you raise your kids. Not depending on the church, school, friends, etc, but if a program is going to say it will do something, one should hope it would.
The dictionary is simply spelling it out and providing a definition. And yes- I would like an example of how it is used in a way that is not pejorative.
It's been done and you just explained one way it which is can be done, but if you want other examples take the word fag or homo. Each of these can be used in a negative way but also be used in a neutral way with the same spelling and pronunciation.
There are two sides to this coin on other words. Take the N-word. There is a camp that thinks it should be used so often that it no longer has a negative connotation, and there is a camp that never wants it used for any reason- rap songs or otherwise.
Who is right? I have no idea.
There is truth that the excessive use of a term reduces its effect but in regards to the "N-word" that will never happen. For society to allow any term to be accepted that term can't be segregated to particular group or groups within a given society.
Why are you asking Apple to be a parent to your child?
Good grief. We aren't asking Apple to be a parent to our child. We are parenting by actively choosing to use Apple's explicit music filter. What we expect is THAT THE EXPLICIT MUSIC FILTER ACTUALLY WORK!
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Users have suggested that competing streaming music services do not have this same issue.
Unfortunately this is not true. I've had this same issue with Slacker Radio and have reported it to them multiple times. I don't like profanity in music myself, but it's really infuriating when something unexpected pops up while the kids are in the car.
PS: Personally, I hate that there are words I won't use. It's just a string of letters or sound waves yet I won't use them because they are considered too taboo for today's society. I am a hypocrite because I also feel that no words should be off limits to adults.
Why is this a bad thing? Language, like action, can offend, hurt or embarrass. I hate that our society is starting to see boundaries of civility as a negative. Like burping at the dinner table, profanity should be seen as both unnecessary and undesirable.
So context has no meaning for you? So you don't see a difference between a bigoted comment that uses no negative terminology" vs. a using a bigoted term in a non combative way?
So context has no meaning for you? So you don't see a difference between a bigoted comment that uses no negative terminology" vs. a using a bigoted term in a non combative way?
Of course. But there are words I find unnecessary regardless of context, which is something some people choose to hide behind when throwing out words they know will likely inflame.
Frankly I find most profanity in music gratuitous and gimmicky. It's all about the shock value.
You're missing the point. I'm talking about using language without any intent to inflame, and yet there is a major divide between these all these inflammatory, derogative words that we will or won't use in a disinterested manner because the reader or listener chooses to get worked up over the placement of letters or utterance of a sound even when the context clearly shows it's not pejorative.
G. Rover Cripes, don't be a consarn scalawag.
No, we can't all agree that cursing in and of itself is a sign of ignorance and the lack of a diverse vocabulary. The import we put upon certain words are surely learned but no word, even cursed words are not actually cursed. They are a part of our diverse lexicon and can be used to great effect to make a point more poignant because the word carries a heavier meaning, not in spite of. This is the beauty of language.
Example 1:
Example 2:
Example 3:
When it's intended to be used for dramatic effect, a curse can be quite effective, but let's get real. As used by most comics, in much music and by people being interviewed, it's far over-used and it's a crutch. If you have to say f__k every few words, then I would agree with the OP that it's used by people who have a very limited vocabulary and imagination.
I also disagree with the person who posted that words are just sound waves. Words have very specific meanings and contexts and they're far from just sound waves. Words can be very hurtful. Call your girlfriend a c__t and see if you still agree that it's just a sound wave.
I actually hate it when John Stewart curses because who is he doing it for? It's not like there's a way you can hear it un-bleeped. The only people who hear it uncensored are the studio audience. IMO, that makes his cursing a bit absurd and since he does it so often - multiple times per show - it's also not very effective.
As far as children are concerned, it's not that they're going to have some kind of breakdown if they happen to hear a curse-word in the media. It's that hearing such words in the media makes them acceptable for daily use, regardless of the audience. We used to filter what we'd say depending upon who was listening. We talked to our friends on the street corner differently than we'd talk to our parents or a teacher or even a waiter in a local diner. What's happened today is that everyone has lost their filters. That doesn't make us more honest - it only makes us more vulgar and IMO, is part of the dumbing down of America.
But getting back to the original topic, I can only think of two cases where this "bug" would be a problem: where kids listen and where music is played publicly. Does anyone else who personally listens to rap/hip-hop actually choose to NOT listen to the explicit version? Seems to me that if you don't want to hear the explicit version, then you don't really want to listen to the "song" at all. And this should be easy for Apple to fix as long as they're tying every track of every album to the original SKU#. While the SKU itself doesn't provide info as to whether it's the explicit version or not, once that's known, the SKU can be used to control the filter. This is Metadata 101.
It's not just the famous 7 words that should get a song the "explicit" rating. I can hear some of you saying "huh?!", but I'll list the lyrics below of a song that's completely inappropriate in the context of, say, an 11 year old daughter that loves to listen to popular music, and yet it's NOT marked explicit on the iTunes store, apparently because it doesn't use any of a specific set of words (this may have changed, as song ratings do change over time, but true last time I checked).
Macklemore: The Penis Song
Ladies and gentlemen
Introducing, the penis song.
(Oh no he didn't)
(Honk a dick)
This is my penis song
I wish that I had a bigger shlong
One that was quite a bit more thick and way more long
One of those porno king kong dongs
Check it out
I wish my dick was bigger, I can admit it
I'm above average on inches but I want a damn double digit
If I had a big ol' cock what would I do?
I'd probably go to Florida and show it Katrina and screw
Get buck naked and start streaking at my school
And get arrested but at least the girls would be impressed
With my third leg and, and then I'd go to a keg and
Do a keg stand, get drunk and do the running man
With no clothes on just to show off
My dick's bigger than yours when mine is cold and soft
Haha, oh yeah I forgot that's not really the cock that I have
I went out and party-bagged 'em and quickly opened the package
And it fit me like Kriss Kross's old school starter jackets
Trying to convince myself like, "Size doesn't matter, "
Anyways I'd probably just put it on backwards cause I mean
I know that god made us all different and special
But shit did he really have to invent lopsided testicles?
I don't have them I just feel bad for the like you know the guys with like
Their left one hangs like lower than the right, kinda like a lazy eye like on your balls
I mean I don't know, I just feel bad
This is my penis song
I wish that I had a bigger shlong
One that was quite a bit more thick and way more long
Fellas if ya'll feel me sing along
Yo ladies
Yeah?
Ladies!
Yeah?
Do you want a guy with an average dick?
Hell no
Then- wait you don't?
No you honkey dick
Okay that's cool, no that's fine
I promise, I'm so self conscious
That's why you never see me skinny dippin' in August
Always walkin' around with my hands in my pockets trying to pump blood into my guy Alfonso
I mean, goddamn I don't think you girls understand
I've had a complex since that song Short Short Man
And even though girls have told me that I'm big when I watch a porno I feel like a little kid
I mean, let's take Ron Jeremy
Now if a girl sees him she'll compare him to me
And every MC in hip hop has got a huge cock
Or at least talks about it in every song that they've got
I mean, shit
If I was really hung I'd make a whole album called Me and My Dick
With interludes of all the girls that I'd been with
And talk about my package and multiple orgasms
'Cause all that I see is that size does matter
We got Enzite, penis pumps surgery to Viagra
But when it all adds up you can't really change it
I'm not a porno star I just gotta face it
You know, what can I do
This song goes out to like all the like little bit above average dudes
So like all the small dudes, medium dudes but all you big dudes stop
This is my penis song
I wish that I had a bigger shlong
One that was quite a bit more thick and way more long
Fellas if ya'll feel me sing along
I don't give a tiniest shit what we listen to as adults. I have my share of raunchy music from back in the day that I don't make available to my kids.
Does anyone else think this track should get away without an "explicit" rating?
Let me rephrase that. Does anyone who has or had daughters think this song is okay for kids?
Not here in The Netherlands. We use it all the time, including women. And it sounds just as 'blunt' in Dutch. If it comes out less ferociously we add 'mess' to it: KUTZOOI!
Yep, we're pretty crazy over here.
You're missing the point. I'm talking about using language without any intent to inflame, and yet there is a major divide between these all these inflammatory, derogative words that we will or won't use in a disinterested manner because the reader or listener chooses to get worked up over the placement of letters or utterance of a sound even when the context clearly shows it's not pejorative.
No, I get your point, I just don't agree with it. There are plenty of intelligent ways to express an idea, emotion or opinion without resorting to words that are well-known to inflame or offend.
Regarding music, I find few things more agitating than a bizarrely-placed F word in the middle of a beautiful song. It's like a dog dropping a dookie on your freshly-mowed lawn. It's annoying and it stinks.
Thanks, Obama!
Does anyone else think this track should get away without an "explicit" rating?
That song is not labeled as explicit??? Are you kidding????? Wow. The world has failed.
1) Andysol didn't say that the excessive use of a word or phrase is a sign of a limited vocabulary, he stated that the use of it at all — with no qualification for excessiveness — "is typically ignorant because you can't expand your vocabulary enough to create other adjectives, verbs, and noun." That's not factual.
2) I wrote that words are letter in a particular order and sound waves. That is undeniably true. It's that association with these forms as emotions that is the problems if they ignorantly applied to those forms and not the context in which they are meant. Do you think that having a conversation with someone where you say the word **** in a complete neutral form is worse than yelling at your girlfriend but calling her a "raging c-word" without actually saying ****? Come on! That's fucking* stupid.
* Fucking used for emphasis.
So context has no meaning for you? So you don't see a difference between a bigoted comment that uses no negative terminology" vs. a using a bigoted term in a non combative way?
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Does anyone else think this track should get away without an "explicit" rating?
Let me rephrase that. Does anyone who has or had daughters think this song is okay for kids?
That song is not okay for anyone. These are lyrics? oh pop music... how you make it through the decades I'll never know.
But ya- have 2 daughters- no thanks on that song.
1) Andysol didn't say that the excessive use of a word or phrase is a sign of a limited vocabulary, he stated that the use of it at all — with no qualification for excessiveness — "is typically ignorant because you can't expand your vocabulary enough to create other adjectives, verbs, and noun." That's not factual.
I'll disagree. With the same inflection, one could call something "F*cking big" or "gargantuan" and get the same point across. Now if someone were to say "F*cking gargantuan"- I don't see how that makes something sound any bigger or makes my ears perk up more.
The problem is that most cursers say "F*cking big" because they can't think of anything better to say.
I have an over-curser in my office. Instead of hearing his point- I think "Man- can he say a sentence without cursing?"
Let me rephrase that. Does anyone who has or had daughters think this song is okay for kids?
I think it's okay for 12 and above. I certainly have less of a problem with that song, which is meant to be a joke and isn't hurtful to anyone than with a rapper who talks about "bitches and hoes". But let's say it isn't okay for a 12-year-old. Why does it need to be censored? Why can't parents raise their kids so either
a) they'd have no interest in that song -or-
b) they'd tell their kid that they didn't want them listening to it (and the kid would actually obey).
Why are you asking Apple to be a parent to your child?
Back in the day, my daughter was reading some Judy Blume book (probably intended for teens or tweens), where the young girl takes off her blouse when a boy she likes refuses to leave her bedroom (or something like that). I happened to catch that page and I said to my daughter that it wasn't for her yet and I didn't want her reading it. She said, "fine" and that was that. She never read it, but if she had snuck reading it anyway, I probably would have figured that it meant she was mature enough to handle it. Certainly, even 10-year-old girls know that boys are sexually attracted to them, even if they don't understand every aspect of what that physical attraction means.
0/10, would not rise to appreciate.
a) they'd have no interest in that song -or-
b) they'd tell their kid that they didn't want them listening to it (and the kid would actually obey).
Because that’s too hard.
EDIT: I’M SO SORRY. I DIDN’T MEAN THAT TO BE A JOKE.
Done.
So now you want a very specific type of example without considering that a word that is oft used in a pejorative way doesn't have to be used in a pejorative way? That's just ridiculous!
Show me a dictionary or encyclopedia that refers to vulgar and derogatory terms in a language with symbols found above the number row on a keyboard instead of actually spelling it out.
Again, you're using a very limited scope to make a declaration for everything. This comnversrtaion clearly shows that you, zoetmb and RedHotFuzz are putting your emotions before your critical thinking. Have you ever considered why these words get you so upset? Did you even read the page of outmoded curse words?
The worse part of all this is people thinking that using the specific, altered terms: N-word, C-Word, F-you, etc. in a nasty way somehow exempts them.
edit: This is likely an example of a bigoted comment poking fun at how native speakers of different language speak additional languages but since he doesn't use one the predetermined cursed words you were taught I have to think this is not an issue for you.
So now you want a very specific type of example without considering that a word that is oft used in a pejorative way doesn't have to be used in a pejorative way? That's just ridiculous!
Show me a dictionary or encyclopedia that refers to vulgar and derogatory terms in a language with symbols found above the number row on a keyboard instead of actually spelling it out.
The dictionary is simply spelling it out and providing a definition. And yes- I would like an example of how it is used in a way that is not pejorative.
There are two sides to this coin on other words. Take the N-word. There is a camp that thinks it should be used so often that it no longer has a negative connotation, and there is a camp that never wants it used for any reason- rap songs or otherwise.
Who is right? I have no idea.
I think it's okay for 12 and above. I certainly have less of a problem with that song, which is meant to be a joke and isn't hurtful to anyone than with a rapper who talks about "bitches and hoes". But let's say it isn't okay for a 12-year-old. Why does it need to be censored? Why can't parents raise their kids so either
a) they'd have no interest in that song -or-
b) they'd tell their kid that they didn't want them listening to it (and the kid would actually obey).
Why are you asking Apple to be a parent to your child?
I agree with you completely. However, I think he meant if he puts on a station on iTunes Radio, then that song shouldn't play. Say your daughter has her headphones on and shes listening to "katy perry radio" or some godawful station, so you don't get to hear that to have the opportunity to tell them to not listen to it because you never heard it. Yes, I would love to monitor my child all the time, but the reality is that isn't a reality.
Again- I agree- and I'm with you- a big believer of making sure you raise your kids. Not depending on the church, school, friends, etc, but if a program is going to say it will do something, one should hope it would.
It's been done and you just explained one way it which is can be done, but if you want other examples take the word fag or homo. Each of these can be used in a negative way but also be used in a neutral way with the same spelling and pronunciation.
There is truth that the excessive use of a term reduces its effect but in regards to the "N-word" that will never happen. For society to allow any term to be accepted that term can't be segregated to particular group or groups within a given society.
Why are you asking Apple to be a parent to your child?
Good grief. We aren't asking Apple to be a parent to our child. We are parenting by actively choosing to use Apple's explicit music filter. What we expect is THAT THE EXPLICIT MUSIC FILTER ACTUALLY WORK!