Yours is the second post in this thread, and it says:
"Dr Dre is going to be an Apple executive. Cook has lost his fucking mind."
Yeah, you could stand some broadening.
What does Dr Dre bring to Apple? And why the focus on music? That seems so last decade. Plus Tim Cook says Apple isn't in the business of making junk. Well a lot of people would consider Beats headphones to be junk. I owned two pair that I had to return because the build quality was crap. Needless to say I don't own any Beats headphones now. Of course Cook could task Ive with improving the quality but do we really want his brain cells focused on that?
What does Dr Dre bring to Apple? And why the focus on music? That seems so last decade. Plus Tim Cook says Apple isn't in the business of making junk. Well a lot of people would consider Beats headphones to be junk. I owned two pair that I had to return because the build quality was crap. Needless to say I don't own any Beats headphones now. Of course Cook could task Ive with improving the quality but do we really want his brain cells focused on that?
I will throw this out there and see if it sticks. Maybe they are bringing Dre in for the urban cool factor. I have no statistics on how many minorities purchase or own iPhones but other than the "cool" factor Dre brings nothing to the table. As for the actual product itself, Beats are rubbish.
What does Dr Dre bring to Apple? And why the focus on music? That seems so last decade. Plus Tim Cook says Apple isn't in the business of making junk. Well a lot of people would consider Beats headphones to be junk. I owned two pair that I had to return because the build quality was crap. Needless to say I don't own any Beats headphones now. Of course Cook could task Ive with improving the quality but do we really want his brain cells focused on that?
Ever owned an iPod? They're not above it. I'm thinking more of the older ones. The click wheel was neat. iTunes provided a lot of utility. The batteries were terrible though. The earbuds were terrible. Sound quality wasn't anything special. It was okay, but they weren't successful due to their quality.
Broadening is great but and aapl has done that throughout its history. If you don't see the culture clash between the products that Beats makes (very poorly made), Iovine's demeanor and the Dr. Dre et al video that was taken down, you have rose color glasses. If they want these guys to help them, hire them $x millions a year. If it doesn't work, part company. Don't set the company up for a colossal mistake for no good reason. This will look like The Learning Company acquisition by Mattel in a few short years. This cash belongs to stockholders, not the Board or Cook.
That's my issue with this alleged deal. I think of Apple as a classy company. A company that has earned a great brand reputation, has earned its place atop Fortune's most admired companies list because of real substance - high quality products and services with great customer support. I consider Apple to be a technology company that knows how to be fashionable; substance with style. When I think of Beats it's all style over substance. But perhaps the Medium article below is on the right track. Perhaps this is Apple's way of saying 'don't think of or value us as a technology company, think of us as a fashion company that just happens to incorporate technology into our products'.
I will throw this out there and see if it sticks. Maybe they are bringing Dre in for the urban cool factor. I have no statistics on how many minorities purchase or own iPhones but other than the "cool" factor Dre brings nothing to the table. As for the actual product itself, Beats are rubbish.
So again, Apple potentially spend $3B for "cool". Man those Samsung ads must have really stung. Maybe what Cook should be doing then is finding something else for Phil Schiller to do and bringing in a better marketing head.
So again, Apple potentially spend $3B for "cool". Man those Samsung ads must have really stung. Maybe what Cook should be doing then is finding something else for Phil Schiller to do and bringing in a better marketing head.
Maybe. Who knows. I really do not get this but then again, I don't have to.
What does Dr Dre bring to Apple? And why the focus on music? That seems so last decade. Plus Tim Cook says Apple isn't in the business of making junk. Well a lot of people would consider Beats headphones to be junk. I owned two pair that I had to return because the build quality was crap. Needless to say I don't own any Beats headphones now. Of course Cook could task Ive with improving the quality but do we really want his brain cells focused on that?
If this was about headphones there would be no interest from Apple. A year ago, before Beats' non-hardware divisions got traction this wouldn't have happened.
As far as Dr Dre's vaule to Apple it could be zero, could be something. It's not relevant because A) It's more than likely a position in name only, or 99% and A company gets bought and its owners get consulting titles is standard. Plus whether or not Apple cared if Dre got an Apple title you can bet it was part of the deal Beats is cutting, so it's no mystery why he got the consulting job (assuming this goes through).
I think it would be hilarious to see Facebook and Google stepping over one another to out bid each other on this company. Let them jack up the bids to $12 B just to keep it away from Apple. I really don't know what the benefit to Apple would be with this one. If Beats had something really unique, where are the patents? Anyone can curate music with the right talent. Are DJs really that hard to find? The licenses aren't transferrable so what is the angle?
You really don't know if the licenses are transferable or not. Have you seen them?
Ok, interesting story, at least for me. Back in the 70s my girlfriend and I, now my wife, were hanging out in Yellowstone when some rouge dog came up and started attacking our German Shepard for no reason. Chaos ensued and I jumped into the mix and grabbed the offending dog by the neck and rump and threw him away by perhaps an Olympic record for dog throw. Then I looked back and some guy was running away with my Martin guitar which had a distinctive fiberglass case with bold lettering on the side. I went chasing after him and our German Shepard took up pursuit as well. She passed me and grabbed the thief by the pant leg and brought him down thus saving my precious D35.
Wow, glad you got it back. It always worried me that the case had Martin written on it and half expected it to vanish every time it was on a plane. What did you do with the guy? Throw him in a geyser?
After all the guitar talk I got enthused again and I picked up my Taylor last night and played for a long time ... only to find it's been so long since I played my finger tips bled ... oh lordy ... they hurt!
Yours is the second post in this thread, and it says:
"Dr Dre is going to be an Apple executive. Cook has lost his fucking mind."
Yeah, you could stand some broadening.
Broadening is great but and aapl has done that throughout its history. If you don't see the culture clash between the products that Beats makes (very poorly made), Iovine's demeanor and the Dr. Dre et al video that was taken down, you have rose color glasses. If they want these guys to help them, hire them $x millions a year. If it doesn't work, part company. Don't set the company up for a colossal mistake for no good reason. This will look like The Learning Company acquisition by Mattel in a few short years. This cash belongs to stockholders, not the Board or Cook.
Judging from your previous post on the screws, it seems you are judging everything beats makes by your experience with a product line they took over from Monster. Should they have supported the screw issue better? Sure. Are all of their products poorly made? No.
Look ar the expression on the faces of the [other] AI's three finalists at about 49 seconds in -- when the dorky-looking guy with orange glasses first sings -- This party just ended (began).
There is no way I would have ever heard this if someone hadn't had an interest [profit motive] in curating that for the AI viewers.
That's what music can do!
Bought their album because of that performance!
One of my preset playlists on my own iTunes collection is called simply 'Italian' and its great for dinner parties. It is all Il Volo. As people mingle, pre dinner, with their canapés, G&Ts and wines, you can see them start to migrate towards my NM1 Nightingale speakers, conversation on pause, listening with an ever growing smile and then they seek me out and ask, 'who is that, that's amazing?' It never fails.
I'm glad Cook isn't as close minded as some of you here.
The level of ignorance, prejudice, and bigotry, is shocking. I hope this forum is not a representation of the typical Apple user.
It isn't. Head over the the Apple Core or Reddit and the Apple users are as pro-Apple as ever without the meanness, smugness, and ugliness that seems to be in a majority here.
SolipsismX is a shining beacon though. His commentary even when I disagree with him is very levelheaded. I wish we had more hims and less Ts and As.
So again, Apple potentially spend $3B for "cool". Man those Samsung ads must have really stung. Maybe what Cook should be doing then is finding something else for Phil Schiller to do and bringing in a better marketing head.
You seem to be making a very solid assumption built primarily off of a few vapors.
At this point Apple isn't going to fall. Even if thus 3.2 billion turns out to be a laughable waste they are still the top dog and based on what I see from the rest of the industry today they will be for a while. Samsung is benefiting from a false dichotomy and Google isn't really the competitor the media makes them out to be.
Apple is literally in a league of their own. Cook has done great so far and I predict by the end of 2014 no one will doubt him.
I also hope the stock doesn't rise too much presplit so I can buy a couple shares!
If this was about headphones there would be no interest from Apple. A year ago, before Beats' non-hardware divisions got traction this wouldn't have happened.
As far as Dr Dre's vaule to Apple it could be zero, could be something. It's not relevant because A) It's more than likely a position in name only, or 99% and A company gets bought and its owners get consulting titles is standard. Plus whether or not Apple cared if Dre got an Apple title you can bet it was part of the deal Beats is cutting, so it's no mystery why he got the consulting job (assuming this goes through).
Right, some realism, thank you.
However, the thought that the headphones represent Apple's audio entry into wearables has occurred to many, including me, and then the first thing you need to add under that idea is that the quality of the headphones will be given the Apple treatment, so Beats' current quality is irrelevant. They have managed to make it acceptable, ok "cool," to wear headphones out in the world, next we're going to do that with the displays as well, etc.
In any case, Apple HAD to enter this market as part of their wearables initiative, and no way were they going to sell out their friends Iovine and Dre, who were also packing a desirable algorithm and some licenses. No way could Apple do an end run around these guys and try to make their own tribal age headphones.
Someone said The Verge is taking an approach like this. Good, but I swore off trying to read that mess–of-a-site on my iPad.
Edit: the "tribal" thing comes from Marshall McLuhan, by the way, and dates back to his predictions in War and Peace in the Global Village, sometime in the 1960s. He observed we were going into an auditory age organized by music and chant, like those that exist before literacy organizes an age by text and vision. So now everybody, Western, Eastern, Northern, Southern gets tribalized, irrespective of race or other background. It's auditory, and the iPod and iTunes under Steve Jobs et al accelerated it enormously. Now we have Act Two, where the bassline is added—for the "new kid" that Jimmy Iovine is talking about, and for old kids who can adapt like Dick Applebaum and digitalclips, but not for those who have unconsciously been seeing Apple as a refuge, a white gated community, from the bad world out there
I'm glad Cook isn't as close minded as some of you here.
The level of ignorance, prejudice, and bigotry, is shocking. I hope this forum is not a representation of the typical Apple user.
It's reprehensible to call anyone that is skeptical about this deal (or Dre becoming an Apple exec) a close minded bigot. I said earlier in this thread if it was rumored that Cook was bringing on Dave Grohl as a special advisor I would feel the same way and I am a huge Foo Fighters fan. No supporter or so-called "open minded" person in this thread has been able to come up with any special technology or IP Beats has that is worth $3B. Surely Apple has designers and engineers that could produce a better headphone if they really wanted to. And I doubt that would cost $3B either. Go read Jon Fortt's (from CNBC) twitter feed. He is incredibly skeptical about this deal. Are you going to call him a bigot too?
However, the thought that the headphones represent Apple's audio entry into wearables has occurred to many, including me, and then the first thing you need to add under that idea is that the quality of the headphones will be given the Apple treatment, so Beats' current quality is irrelevant. They have managed to make it acceptable, ok "cool," to wear headphones out in the world, next we're going to do that with the displays as well, etc.
In any case, Apple HAD to enter this market as part of their wearables initiative, and no way were they going to sell out their friends Iovine and Dre, who were also packing a desirable algorithm and some licenses. No way could Apple do an end run around these guys and try to make their own tribal age headphones.
Someone said The Verge is taking an approach like this. Good, but I swore off trying to read that mess–of-a-site on my iPad.
IMO Apple headphones are OK but not great in terms of sound quality. If Apple treatment means better build quality that will be a step in the right direction but then will the headphones become more expensive? Or will Apple be willing to eat some of the cost of improving the quality? Bloomberg's sources are suggesting Beats would remain a separate brand. That indicates to me the brand is a big component of the $3B. It's rare that Apple acquires a company and keeps the brand. When they do it's either small (FileMaker) or not well known (Siri). This would certainly be a departure from that.
So he should leave because he happens to perhaps disagree with the overwhelming sentiment of doom and gloom in this thread, finding it ridiculous (as it is)? And in the same breath, you state how blogs are open- yet are encouraging him to leave because apparently his opinion struck a nerve with you. You sound like a fucking hypocrite. Yeah, he's free to leave - as you are - the fact that you had to point that out to him- when he was simply voicing an opinion on the topic, is pretty absurd.
No, sorry, it was a an inside joke, he'd suggested I leave the USA for one of my comments ... I should have resisted. That said I'm not sure your choice of words is necessary.
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What does Dr Dre bring to Apple? And why the focus on music? That seems so last decade. Plus Tim Cook says Apple isn't in the business of making junk. Well a lot of people would consider Beats headphones to be junk. I owned two pair that I had to return because the build quality was crap. Needless to say I don't own any Beats headphones now. Of course Cook could task Ive with improving the quality but do we really want his brain cells focused on that?
I will throw this out there and see if it sticks. Maybe they are bringing Dre in for the urban cool factor. I have no statistics on how many minorities purchase or own iPhones but other than the "cool" factor Dre brings nothing to the table. As for the actual product itself, Beats are rubbish.
What does Dr Dre bring to Apple? And why the focus on music? That seems so last decade. Plus Tim Cook says Apple isn't in the business of making junk. Well a lot of people would consider Beats headphones to be junk. I owned two pair that I had to return because the build quality was crap. Needless to say I don't own any Beats headphones now. Of course Cook could task Ive with improving the quality but do we really want his brain cells focused on that?
Ever owned an iPod? They're not above it. I'm thinking more of the older ones. The click wheel was neat. iTunes provided a lot of utility. The batteries were terrible though. The earbuds were terrible. Sound quality wasn't anything special. It was okay, but they weren't successful due to their quality.
https://medium.com/p/ef40bb2cd162
So again, Apple potentially spend $3B for "cool". Man those Samsung ads must have really stung. Maybe what Cook should be doing then is finding something else for Phil Schiller to do and bringing in a better marketing head.
Maybe. Who knows. I really do not get this but then again, I don't have to.
If this was about headphones there would be no interest from Apple. A year ago, before Beats' non-hardware divisions got traction this wouldn't have happened.
As far as Dr Dre's vaule to Apple it could be zero, could be something. It's not relevant because A) It's more than likely a position in name only, or 99% and
You really don't know if the licenses are transferable or not. Have you seen them?
Wow, glad you got it back. It always worried me that the case had Martin written on it and half expected it to vanish every time it was on a plane. What did you do with the guy? Throw him in a geyser?
After all the guitar talk I got enthused again and I picked up my Taylor last night and played for a long time ... only to find it's been so long since I played my finger tips bled ... oh lordy ... they hurt!
Judging from your previous post on the screws, it seems you are judging everything beats makes by your experience with a product line they took over from Monster. Should they have supported the screw issue better? Sure. Are all of their products poorly made? No.
One of my preset playlists on my own iTunes collection is called simply 'Italian' and its great for dinner parties. It is all Il Volo. As people mingle, pre dinner, with their canapés, G&Ts and wines, you can see them start to migrate towards my NM1 Nightingale speakers, conversation on pause, listening with an ever growing smile and then they seek me out and ask, 'who is that, that's amazing?' It never fails.
It isn't. Head over the the Apple Core or Reddit and the Apple users are as pro-Apple as ever without the meanness, smugness, and ugliness that seems to be in a majority here.
SolipsismX is a shining beacon though. His commentary even when I disagree with him is very levelheaded. I wish we had more hims and less Ts and As.
You seem to be making a very solid assumption built primarily off of a few vapors.
At this point Apple isn't going to fall. Even if thus 3.2 billion turns out to be a laughable waste they are still the top dog and based on what I see from the rest of the industry today they will be for a while. Samsung is benefiting from a false dichotomy and Google isn't really the competitor the media makes them out to be.
Apple is literally in a league of their own. Cook has done great so far and I predict by the end of 2014 no one will doubt him.
I also hope the stock doesn't rise too much presplit so I can buy a couple shares!
Right, some realism, thank you.
However, the thought that the headphones represent Apple's audio entry into wearables has occurred to many, including me, and then the first thing you need to add under that idea is that the quality of the headphones will be given the Apple treatment, so Beats' current quality is irrelevant. They have managed to make it acceptable, ok "cool," to wear headphones out in the world, next we're going to do that with the displays as well, etc.
In any case, Apple HAD to enter this market as part of their wearables initiative, and no way were they going to sell out their friends Iovine and Dre, who were also packing a desirable algorithm and some licenses. No way could Apple do an end run around these guys and try to make their own tribal age headphones.
Someone said The Verge is taking an approach like this. Good, but I swore off trying to read that mess–of-a-site on my iPad.
Edit: the "tribal" thing comes from Marshall McLuhan, by the way, and dates back to his predictions in War and Peace in the Global Village, sometime in the 1960s. He observed we were going into an auditory age organized by music and chant, like those that exist before literacy organizes an age by text and vision. So now everybody, Western, Eastern, Northern, Southern gets tribalized, irrespective of race or other background. It's auditory, and the iPod and iTunes under Steve Jobs et al accelerated it enormously. Now we have Act Two, where the bassline is added—for the "new kid" that Jimmy Iovine is talking about, and for old kids who can adapt like Dick Applebaum and digitalclips, but not for those who have unconsciously been seeing Apple as a refuge, a white gated community, from the bad world out there
Sorry it was a sideways comment on his similar post to me not actually related to the content of his post ...
No, sorry, it was a an inside joke, he'd suggested I leave the USA for one of my comments ... I should have resisted. That said I'm not sure your choice of words is necessary.