You mixed them up. It's iOS 7 that crippled older devices. KitKat actually makes older devices better.
What Android phones from 2010 run KitKat, like Apple's iPhone 4 runs iOS 7?
You can dick around with CyanogenMod to get KitKat running on some specific Sony Xperia phones from 2011, but that's described as being only "reasonably stable" and "it’s important to note that several features aren’t working on these legacy device ROMs including FM radio, 720p video recording, HDMI and Wi-Fi tethering. Wi-Fi is working, but not without some bugs."
You are so wrong it's just comical. But that's par for the course among Android fans, who make excuses for crap and then complain about how flawed Apple is despite being so wildly far ahead of the entire industry behind Google's Android.
Mind you, I'm typing this on a MacBookPro (mid-2013 model), but I have to take issue with this crap:
"1. Android users have no friends, least of all a potential dance partner because they are so hateful towards other people"
My wife says you're full of it.
"2. Android users are typically overweight so would have difficulty dancing gracefully"
I'm 6' even and weigh in at 168 lbs.
"3. Bounden is a paid app, Android users mostly steal apps or download free apps, I believe a lot of them are baristas"
I don't have such an app, have no need for it, and I'm a Sr. Systems Administrator. I rarely pay for apps on my cheap little Huawei, mostly because I find that very few of them are useful enough to be worth having. Then again, I'm not glued to my phone 24/7 either - the phone, Waze and corporate email are about the complete extent of what I use it for.
"4. Android users are lacking in culture and respect for creativity so choreographed dance would be wasted on them"
Currently I'm halfway through re-reading Plato's Republic... for fun. I live in PDX, which has a boundless plethora of culture and music... and yes, this includes a wild variety of choreographed dancing.
Long story short? Generalization of this order makes you look dumb and uneducated, and you should know better. I prefer Apple products where they make sense in my own personal use cases. For a solid-as-hell laptop and OS, well, see the beginning of this missive. For a tablet, a 16GB iPad Wifi-only model makes sense for me. For my phone? Screw it - the little Android device I have is cheap, works well, and does what I want it to do. If it gets stolen or broken, I lose a grand total of $149.00 of investment in the deal, and can easily go get another one. It's a fairly solid little device for what it does, and has lasted about 18 months and counting, so I'm not too awful worried about ROI on it by now.
I understand the over-generalization of Android users. I think most refer to the Android "enthusiasts". It sounds like you and your wife use your Android phones for nothing more than a glorified feature phone and bare-bones pre-installed apps.
Try using anything (if available) that uses the hardware in your cheap Huawei and you'll be in for a rude-awakening. Walled-garden or not, it's why iPhone users are generally more happier using their devices - even with minimal use - compared to all the drama of Android users.
You said so yourself. You buy a cheap Android phone because if it gets stolen or broken, you can just go buy another one and move on. You don't care about your phone. Nothing wrong with that line of thinking. Fine for you but my needs, and millions of others, have higher expectations for their mobile devices than you do. I think the problem is that a large majority of Android users have high expectations from their cheap junk, and play the blaming game on others when they realize (or not) that they are getting what they paid for.
Android makers are in the business of selling their junk. They have zero motivations to support current, or older models. They make their money selling phones. That's it. They don't make money from an ecosystem like Apple does. When I hear complaints from Android users that their 6-month old phone is not eligible for the new Android OS because the hardware is junk, my response is "What? You expected more??!!".
why don't you identify yourself as the regurgitator of the blog post being commented upon, rather than use a pseudonym to post comments on the blog post you, uhm, authored? or is that level of professionalism frowned upon at ai?
Somebody who names themselves "Pooch" doesn't really have the right to be taken seriously.
really? that's your response? you steal content from others, pass it off as your own, post comments to those articles anonymously, and then you complain when someone calls you on it? sounds about right. welcome to ai, folks.
In every community there will be bad apples. But what you are doing here is focusing on the negative idiots and ignoring the people who actually tried to help. And that isn't right either.
Just like the Apple community or Microsoft community the Android community is filled with both idiot trolls and rational reasonable people.
Those reasonable people in the Microsoft or Android communities are just future Apple community members that made a misstep with their first purchase.
[SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Let's see... first Samsung was caught gaming the speed tests, and now their high end phones have fake gyroscopes.... anyone see a theme going on here???[/COLOR][/SIZE]
why don't you identify yourself as the regurgitator of the blog post being commented upon, rather than use a pseudonym to post comments on the blog post you, uhm, authored? or is that level of professionalism frowned upon at ai?
really? that's your response? you steal content from others, pass it off as your own, post comments to those articles anonymously, and then you complain when someone calls you on it? sounds about right. welcome to ai, folks.
Android makers are in the business of selling their junk. They have zero motivations to support current, or older models. They make their money selling phones. That's it. They don't make money from an ecosystem like Apple does. When I hear complaints from Android users that their 6-month old phone is not eligible for the new Android OS because the hardware is junk, my response is "What? You expected more??!!".
Good post. I think, with regard to the Android market, it's primarily a commodity market. Even HTC, who makes a stellar product can't avoid being commoditized. That so many Android devices have poorly made or fake gyros and compasses and most users don't even know it, says something about the sleaze of the manufactures and more about the unsophistication of the users. That developers are fain to write quality programs for shit hardware owned by the unwashed masses is to be part and parcel of the platform.
Apple is smart to stay far away from that cesspool of steaming crap.
I've said this time and time again for years. Android devices are bottom-of-barrel products. They compete for the lowest price point and people get what they pay for.
The Android community (especially Fandroids) should be ashamed of themselves for their blind support of such trash and having low-to-zero standards and not expecting more from this botched experiment of a mobile OS. It's a f*cking joke.
They have liars like Samsung that spew nonsense statements about the "superiority" of their devices, when the reality is the exact opposite. We have the no-name cheapsh!t Chinese brands that not only flood the market with $30 devices, but spew out Android malware to go with it. Countless of different configurations, using components from who-knows-where, with different variations of Android OS currently in use... and Fandroids have the NERVE to spin that entire mess as "choice for the consumer". Total bullish!t.
And then we have iPhones. They work, they are consistent, and Apple is really the ONLY mobile vendor that does its best to make sure that each new OS will run on just about all their "old" devices too.
Fandroids are delusional to a clinical degree. Shame on them. Have some standards, and get a life.
Then you have proudly spouted ignorance for years. There is no doubt that there are bottom of the barrel Android products. At the same time there are numerous high end Android products. You may not wish to live in a world where the poor can afford a smartphone but that is a market that Android is able to service while also catering to consumers on the high end. If you can't recognize that quality, high end Android phones exist then you are a blind loyalist who is beyond hope. I personally am an Android user and the product works great for me. My phone does things for me that I could never do on an iPhone. Yet, I can appreciate an iPhone and recognize it is a great option for many consumers. I can acknowledge that there are things an iPhone could do for me that I will never be able to do on my Android phone, but for me Android is the better option. It takes a real mental midget to not be able to recognize that both platforms have their pluses and minuses and that there is not one universal answer for the superior product. Congratulations, you are that midget.
What Android phones from 2010 run KitKat, like Apple's iPhone 4 runs iOS 7?
4.4 works fine on a Droid Incredible, and doesn't slow it down like iOS 7 on an iPhone 4. You can do your own search for other 2010 phones that run it.
I am not claiming KitKat through ROMs to be a mainstream solution, but the claim above was that Android is engineered to make older phones obsolete and that iOS wasn't. I have presented evidence to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by BobSchlob
iOS 7 didn't cripple my older device; but it did make it better. So I guess that makes you FOS.
I have several friends who now hate their iPhone 4 b/c of iOS 7. My wife took the high road and kept 6 on there until the 5s upgrade, which is a wonderful device.
Things like this don't pop up overnight, so why is it only now that we're hearing about it? How is it that all other games that use a gyroscope work just fine? For all we know this dev could be lying, or exaggerating to cover his ineptitude.
Things like this don't pop up overnight, so why is it only now that we're hearing about it? How is it that all other games that use a gyroscope work just fine? For all we know this dev could be lying, or exaggerating to cover his ineptitude.
How many games use the gyroscope? He has a vine video to prove it.
Even on Google's own branded Galaxy Nexus, the gyroscope didn't work correctly. There was even a GPS bug that disallowed it from working as well until doing a couple of tricks in the settings. I remember being so embarrassed by it I stopped using the maps app altogether.
@nht: Maybe you should take time to proof read your work before slinging mud (at an author John Gruber aka Daring Fireball). You took the time to get the link and and reference it in your trashing of DED. Why not take the care to double check your work first? Besides, DED may not even wear a hat ¡
Peace.
First I did not sling mud at Gruber but called DED out for not giving him attribution.
Second, the article has been changed since I posted. The ORIGINAL (incorrect BTW) title was: "Bounden cancels iOS to Android port after finding many Google phones' gyroscopes don't work"
You can also see the first paragraph of the original article has been edited:
"Game Oven, the developer of Bounden, a novel dancing app making use of iPhone's gyroscope, has pulled its Android port after finding that even top tier devices using Google's platform have defective, inconsistent and in some cases "
Now it reads it as just delayed. The internet caches all sorts of stuff. If there's any doubt the original title is also on AI's twitter:
Guber links to DED all the time here on AI. Fair is fair and Gruber is often very complementary. Or perhaps it's Dalrymple that is often complimentary of DED. Or both. Either way it's not nice to leave out the source.
DED is very quick to defend himself. Noticed he hasn't said anything to me?
Next time I'll quote the entire article but it's somewhat annoying for others to do so since the comment was so short and the article long and had pictures. But if I remember maybe I'll take a screen cap. DED isn't the only one but AI is the only site I visit for Apple news besides DF and Loop.
Edit:
Here's a cache of a 2nd paragraph edit without the link tot he blog post from Google cache. Alas the older cache with the original text is gone so I cannot prove that the 2nd paragraph did not have the note about DF in it. Perhaps it even did but certainly the link was not.
In the current version "forced to delay" is a link to the blog post. In the web cache version it is not. I made my comment at 10:41 and this cache is from 12:12. Cityguide noted that the DF attribution existed at 10:54. The article was being tweaked the whole time. Not uncommon but lots of stuff changed from the title, to the wording in the first paragraph to links being added.
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You mixed them up. It's iOS 7 that crippled older devices. KitKat actually makes older devices better.
What Android phones from 2010 run KitKat, like Apple's iPhone 4 runs iOS 7?
You can dick around with CyanogenMod to get KitKat running on some specific Sony Xperia phones from 2011, but that's described as being only "reasonably stable" and "it’s important to note that several features aren’t working on these legacy device ROMs including FM radio, 720p video recording, HDMI and Wi-Fi tethering. Wi-Fi is working, but not without some bugs."
You are so wrong it's just comical. But that's par for the course among Android fans, who make excuses for crap and then complain about how flawed Apple is despite being so wildly far ahead of the entire industry behind Google's Android.
Mind you, I'm typing this on a MacBookPro (mid-2013 model), but I have to take issue with this crap:
"1. Android users have no friends, least of all a potential dance partner because they are so hateful towards other people"
My wife says you're full of it.
"2. Android users are typically overweight so would have difficulty dancing gracefully"
I'm 6' even and weigh in at 168 lbs.
"3. Bounden is a paid app, Android users mostly steal apps or download free apps, I believe a lot of them are baristas"
I don't have such an app, have no need for it, and I'm a Sr. Systems Administrator. I rarely pay for apps on my cheap little Huawei, mostly because I find that very few of them are useful enough to be worth having. Then again, I'm not glued to my phone 24/7 either - the phone, Waze and corporate email are about the complete extent of what I use it for.
"4. Android users are lacking in culture and respect for creativity so choreographed dance would be wasted on them"
Currently I'm halfway through re-reading Plato's Republic... for fun. I live in PDX, which has a boundless plethora of culture and music... and yes, this includes a wild variety of choreographed dancing.
Long story short? Generalization of this order makes you look dumb and uneducated, and you should know better. I prefer Apple products where they make sense in my own personal use cases. For a solid-as-hell laptop and OS, well, see the beginning of this missive. For a tablet, a 16GB iPad Wifi-only model makes sense for me. For my phone? Screw it - the little Android device I have is cheap, works well, and does what I want it to do. If it gets stolen or broken, I lose a grand total of $149.00 of investment in the deal, and can easily go get another one. It's a fairly solid little device for what it does, and has lasted about 18 months and counting, so I'm not too awful worried about ROI on it by now.
I understand the over-generalization of Android users. I think most refer to the Android "enthusiasts". It sounds like you and your wife use your Android phones for nothing more than a glorified feature phone and bare-bones pre-installed apps.
Try using anything (if available) that uses the hardware in your cheap Huawei and you'll be in for a rude-awakening. Walled-garden or not, it's why iPhone users are generally more happier using their devices - even with minimal use - compared to all the drama of Android users.
You said so yourself. You buy a cheap Android phone because if it gets stolen or broken, you can just go buy another one and move on. You don't care about your phone. Nothing wrong with that line of thinking. Fine for you but my needs, and millions of others, have higher expectations for their mobile devices than you do. I think the problem is that a large majority of Android users have high expectations from their cheap junk, and play the blaming game on others when they realize (or not) that they are getting what they paid for.
Android makers are in the business of selling their junk. They have zero motivations to support current, or older models. They make their money selling phones. That's it. They don't make money from an ecosystem like Apple does. When I hear complaints from Android users that their 6-month old phone is not eligible for the new Android OS because the hardware is junk, my response is "What? You expected more??!!".
really? that's your response? you steal content from others, pass it off as your own, post comments to those articles anonymously, and then you complain when someone calls you on it? sounds about right. welcome to ai, folks.
Those reasonable people in the Microsoft or Android communities are just future Apple community members that made a misstep with their first purchase.
Is Pooch your first or last name?
Hahahahahahaha hahahaha. By kit Kat making older devices better, you meant it forces Androiders to buy brand new phones.
Steal? He did ref Daring Fireball.
purposeful quick-obsolescense of devices so the consumer can go right around and buy another one to keep the waste-machine running.
You mixed them up. It's iOS 7 that crippled older devices. KitKat actually makes older devices better.
iOS 7 didn't cripple my older device; but it did make it better. So I guess that makes you FOS.
Good post. I think, with regard to the Android market, it's primarily a commodity market. Even HTC, who makes a stellar product can't avoid being commoditized. That so many Android devices have poorly made or fake gyros and compasses and most users don't even know it, says something about the sleaze of the manufactures and more about the unsophistication of the users. That developers are fain to write quality programs for shit hardware owned by the unwashed masses is to be part and parcel of the platform.
Apple is smart to stay far away from that cesspool of steaming crap.
I've said this time and time again for years. Android devices are bottom-of-barrel products. They compete for the lowest price point and people get what they pay for.
The Android community (especially Fandroids) should be ashamed of themselves for their blind support of such trash and having low-to-zero standards and not expecting more from this botched experiment of a mobile OS. It's a f*cking joke.
They have liars like Samsung that spew nonsense statements about the "superiority" of their devices, when the reality is the exact opposite. We have the no-name cheapsh!t Chinese brands that not only flood the market with $30 devices, but spew out Android malware to go with it. Countless of different configurations, using components from who-knows-where, with different variations of Android OS currently in use... and Fandroids have the NERVE to spin that entire mess as "choice for the consumer". Total bullish!t.
And then we have iPhones. They work, they are consistent, and Apple is really the ONLY mobile vendor that does its best to make sure that each new OS will run on just about all their "old" devices too.
Fandroids are delusional to a clinical degree. Shame on them. Have some standards, and get a life.
Then you have proudly spouted ignorance for years. There is no doubt that there are bottom of the barrel Android products. At the same time there are numerous high end Android products. You may not wish to live in a world where the poor can afford a smartphone but that is a market that Android is able to service while also catering to consumers on the high end. If you can't recognize that quality, high end Android phones exist then you are a blind loyalist who is beyond hope. I personally am an Android user and the product works great for me. My phone does things for me that I could never do on an iPhone. Yet, I can appreciate an iPhone and recognize it is a great option for many consumers. I can acknowledge that there are things an iPhone could do for me that I will never be able to do on my Android phone, but for me Android is the better option. It takes a real mental midget to not be able to recognize that both platforms have their pluses and minuses and that there is not one universal answer for the superior product. Congratulations, you are that midget.
What Android phones from 2010 run KitKat, like Apple's iPhone 4 runs iOS 7?
4.4 works fine on a Droid Incredible, and doesn't slow it down like iOS 7 on an iPhone 4. You can do your own search for other 2010 phones that run it.
I am not claiming KitKat through ROMs to be a mainstream solution, but the claim above was that Android is engineered to make older phones obsolete and that iOS wasn't. I have presented evidence to the contrary.
iOS 7 didn't cripple my older device; but it did make it better. So I guess that makes you FOS.
I have several friends who now hate their iPhone 4 b/c of iOS 7. My wife took the high road and kept 6 on there until the 5s upgrade, which is a wonderful device.
How many games use the gyroscope? He has a vine video to prove it.
3. Bounden is a paid app, Android users mostly steal apps or download free apps, I believe a lot of them are baristas
You believe wrong.
Wash cups and mop floors for baristas is more like it.
Even on Google's own branded Galaxy Nexus, the gyroscope didn't work correctly. There was even a GPS bug that disallowed it from working as well until doing a couple of tricks in the settings. I remember being so embarrassed by it I stopped using the maps app altogether.
[B]Google most valuable brand, as Apple slips to second[/B]
Bounden have played poorly, or is this Apple which is a bad players
What it is: Bounden are bad at small games and Apple is losing a big game.
big difference.
i'm not providing content for this site and then posting anonymous comments to it.
ded is.
@nht: Maybe you should take time to proof read your work before slinging mud (at an author John Gruber aka Daring Fireball). You took the time to get the link and and reference it in your trashing of DED. Why not take the care to double check your work first? Besides, DED may not even wear a hat ¡
Peace.
First I did not sling mud at Gruber but called DED out for not giving him attribution.
Second, the article has been changed since I posted. The ORIGINAL (incorrect BTW) title was: "Bounden cancels iOS to Android port after finding many Google phones' gyroscopes don't work"
You can see this in this aggregator link:
http://www.thenewscommenter.com/news/Bounden-cancels-iOS-to-Android-port-after-finding-many-Google-phones-gyroscopes-dont-work/113815 ;
You can also see the first paragraph of the original article has been edited:
"Game Oven, the developer of Bounden, a novel dancing app making use of iPhone's gyroscope, has pulled its Android port after finding that even top tier devices using Google's platform have defective, inconsistent and in some cases "
Now it reads it as just delayed. The internet caches all sorts of stuff. If there's any doubt the original title is also on AI's twitter:
https://twitter.com/appleinsider
Guber links to DED all the time here on AI. Fair is fair and Gruber is often very complementary. Or perhaps it's Dalrymple that is often complimentary of DED. Or both. Either way it's not nice to leave out the source.
DED is very quick to defend himself. Noticed he hasn't said anything to me?
Next time I'll quote the entire article but it's somewhat annoying for others to do so since the comment was so short and the article long and had pictures. But if I remember maybe I'll take a screen cap. DED isn't the only one but AI is the only site I visit for Apple news besides DF and Loop.
Edit:
Here's a cache of a 2nd paragraph edit without the link tot he blog post from Google cache. Alas the older cache with the original text is gone so I cannot prove that the 2nd paragraph did not have the note about DF in it. Perhaps it even did but certainly the link was not.
In the current version "forced to delay" is a link to the blog post. In the web cache version it is not. I made my comment at 10:41 and this cache is from 12:12. Cityguide noted that the DF attribution existed at 10:54. The article was being tweaked the whole time. Not uncommon but lots of stuff changed from the title, to the wording in the first paragraph to links being added.